Is there a way to just go off mail for two weeks and not have to unsubscribe???? We will be on vacation till the 30th of Sept. Bernadette ----- Original Message ----- From: "scott humphrey" <sactoscott@juno.com> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 5:59 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel -off topic > Hi Mary, > I made my first visit to Ireland this past April-early May and I saw some > things in bloom but I'm also curious about the Fall time period. Has any > foliage color started to appear? If so, what would you be seeing that > has fall color?

Hi Mary, I made my first visit to Ireland this past April-early May and I saw some things in bloom but I'm also curious about the Fall time period. Has any foliage color started to appear? If so, what would you be seeing that has fall color? Thank you, Scott On Fri, 15 Sep 2006 11:54:42 +0100 "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> writes: > Hi Liz' > I am going to the Library again in a couple weeks and will try and > see if > thereis a transcript of the trial for the Hogans mentioned in the > piece > below. You never know, it might give a placename, and they could be > first > cousins or related. > I haven't given up on Denis yet, Its a pity the Nenagh Guardian > wasn't in > print then, its the best of the Tipp newspapers for names and > places. > Cheers > Mary > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Elizabeth Walker" <lizrose@tpg.com.au> > To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, September 15, 2006 10:08 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel Advertiser July 23rd 1836 > > > > Hello Mary, > > > > What an interesting email this is for at least a couple of > reasons. > > > > Firstly, the Hogan Families - they must have been a feisty lot! > > > > As you know, I am descended from a Denis Hogan who was born > > "Tipperary" ca.1811, and who arrived in New South Wales as a > convict > > in 1833/34 on "Parmelia" (2), and whose parentage I am unable to > > find. I wonder if Denis was related to the Hogans who received > > nine months' confinement, as Denis named his first son James, and > his > > third son Timothy. I wonder if they are all related to my > Denis? > > > > re the Carey name. > > > > Is Carey a common surname all over Ireland, or is it a > "localised" > > name, i.e. mostly from Tipperary? > > > > My Denis Hogan married a Margaret Carey (Cary, Kary) who > emigrated > > from London to New South Wales in 1834 on the "David Scott" (with > her > > sister Julia), and who had at last 4 children by Denis Hogan and > > eventually married him two weeks after the baptism of their > second > > son, John (my gt. grandfather). On Margaret's papers it says she > > came from Cork, but maybe that was only then port from which she > left > > Ireland, rather than where she was born. > > > > Thank you for all the interesting emails you send regarding > > conditions in Ireland - it gives great background knowledge for > those > > of us who are far away in distance and in time. > > > > Best wishes, > > > > Liz > > > > > > At 12:07 AM 15/09/2006, you wrote: > >>On Friday last, a poor man, drowned himself in Tyone > >>River,...................... > >> > >> > >>Eighteen months imprisonment. > >>.................. Patrick Carey, ................... > >>for affrays. > >> > >>12 months confinement........................ > >> and Pat Carey, for assault. John Horan, Martin Dwyer, Pat. > Cullen, > >>and James Hacket, for larceny. > >> > >>For Nine months. > >>Denis Hogan, Timothy Hogan, James Hogan, Michael Ryan, Thomas > Hanly, > >>Martin > >>Hanly, and John Quigley for affray. > >> > >> > >> > >>For one month........................ > >>Pat. Hogan, James Tierney and Thomas Mossip, assault. > ................. > >> > >>For two weeks. > >>Dan Hogan, Denis Delany, William Quirke, snr. William Quirke Jnr. > Barney > >>Maguire, James Delany, and Thos. Fletcher for affray. > >> > >>Mary > >> > >> > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

On Friday last, a poor man, drowned himself in Tyone River, at Nenagh, and on his being dragged out of the river, his wife, almost distracted exclaimed, "Oh, what a dead lob". Nicholas Cummins was put at the bar charged with the manslaughter of Edward Coman. The prisoner was a young lad of about 16 years of age. Michael Brien, being sworn, deposed that the parties had been at a hurling, and that a dispute arose. John Cummins, cousin of the prisoner, hit deceased on the side of the head and knocked blood out of his ear; didn't see the prisoner strike him, saw the deceased and the prisoner wrangling and fall together on the ground. No other witnesses being produced, the prisoner was acquitted and discharged. Nenagh Quarter Sessions. A return of convictions at the Nenagh quarter sessions which terminated on the afternoon of Thursday, the 14th inst. Seven years transportation. Michael Keating, grevious bodily injury and assault. Margaret Meagher, for stealing the chalice out of Roscrea Chapel. Martin Shanahan, for house breaking and robbery. John Guilfoyle, James Hanly, and Thomas Gleeson (jobber), for grevious bodily injury. Thomas Gleeson was not apprehended until last tuesday. Two years imprisonment. Hugh Cox for conspiracy. Eighteen months imprisonment. Hugn Darcy, snr. Hugh Darcy, jnr. Patrick Carey, Dan Gibbons, Thomas Caplice, and William Caplice, for affrays. Margaret Clements for larceny, and Patrick Kelly, for perjury at the present sessions. 12 months confinement. John Bourke, Michael Morressy, Thomas Brereton, Michael Nunan, Patrick Connors, Martin Shanahan, Thomas Donovan, John Cullen, William Delany, Wm. Walsh, and Pat Carey, for assault. John Horan, Martin Dwyer, Pat. Cullen, and James Hacket, for larceny. For Nine months. Denis Hogan, Timothy Hogan, James Hogan, Michael Ryan, Thomas Hanly, Martin Hanly, and John Quigley for affray. For six months. Phil. Dwyer, Michael Quigley, Daniel Sullivan, Michael McNamara, Patrick Halloran, and Patrick Dermody, for affray. Thomas Mccabe for larceny. For three months. John Flynn for larceny, Jeremiah Flannery, Pat Rourke, John Fogarty, John Meara, Peter Slattery, Denis Larkin, Daniel Mulloy, Conor Tierney, John Delany, Michael Delany, Denis Quinlan, Walter Hackett, Pat Meagher, Thomas Mara, Rody Coonan, Darby Whelan, and Thomas Kelly for affray. For two months. Thomas Whelan, Thomas Gleeson, Cornelius Leahy, John Cunningham, and William Dillon, affray. For one month. James Flannery, Thomas Ryan, James Shanahan, Michael Spain, Michael Whelan, Pat. Hogan, James Tierney and Thomas Mossip, assault. Thomas Coonan, Michael Kearney, Michael Corbett, Michael Murray, Michael Cane, James Doherty, Pat. Doherty, James Davern, Edward Connor, Michael Kelly, Daniel Ryan, Thomas Kelly, and John Davis, for affray. For two weeks. Dan Hogan, Denis Delany, William Quirke, snr. William Quirke Jnr. Barney Maguire, James Delany, and Thos. Fletcher for affray. Mary

Nice to know the Langleys won something at one time Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> . Mr. Langleys was the winner on the occasion. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Tipp Free Press 20th Sept. 1832. Cholera Thurles. Meeting Resolutions. At the meeting in the Market House on the 17th His Grace. Dr. Laffan in the chair-The following resolutions were unanimously adopted. 1st. That Mr. Matthew Quinlan do act as secretary to the meeting. 2nd. That we deem it necessary at the present crisis to form a relief committee to co-operate with the Board of Health in this Parish of this Parish, for the purpose of collecting subscriptions to be handed over to the Treasurer of that Board, and that the committee do consist of 41 members, seven of whom shall form a quorum. 3rd. Resolved that the thanks of the Inhabitants of Thurles are eminently due and hereby given to Edmond Lenigan, Esq. President of the Board of Health, for his zealous and unceasing exertions in providing for the necessities of the poor patients and their orphans whose homes are rendered desolate by the visitation of the Cholera, and for the true sense of humanity which prompts him, regardless of personal consequences, to visit the Hospital daily and attend to the comfort of the inmates. 4th. That the thanks of this meeting be hereby given to those Medical Gentlemen who have given their gratuitous service to the poor afflicted with Cholera in Thurles, and for their anxious and untiring attention at the Hospital both day and night. 5th. Resolved that the Christian Brothers be requested to accept our grateful thanks for the gift of their splendid house for the use of a Hospital, and their unremitting attendance on the wants of the patients. Resolved; That Mr. Benjamin Russell, be appointed treasurer, and Mr. Matthew Quinlan be appointed secretary to the relief committee. Robert Laffan Chairman Matthew Quinlan Secretary. His Grace Dr. Laffan, having left the chair, and the Rev. Henry Armstrong having been called hereto.. Resolved-That the marked thanks of this meeting be presented to the Most. Rev. Dr. Laffan for his dignified and efficient conduct in the Chair. Henry Armstrong Chairman Matthew Quinlan Secretary. >From the same paper. News of the Cholera. Clonmel-We have not had a case of Cholera in this town, T.G. for the last 10 days. The hospital is now empty and the medical staff discharged. Carrick-on-Suir is quite free from Cholera. Thurles-No new case in Thurles on Thursday. Templemore-Two cases reported. Nenagh-Cholera is on the decline. Hot Water a cure for Cholera. Messrs.G.R. Chappell and brothers of Beswick Mill, Manchester Have published a bill, stating that up to Sept. 5th from 40 to 50 cases of Cholera have been effectually cured by simply taking from one gill to one pint of water, as hot as it can be drank, on the first painful effects of Cholera being felt. It is added that the patient, being thrown into a profuse perspiration by the water, should be careful to guard against taking cold after. Mary

Tipperary Free Press 20th Sept. 1832 Thurles Cholera In consequence of the increase of Cholera in Thurles, and the probability of means being wanted for providing the families of the afflicted with necessaries and comforts, a meeting of the inhabitants was held at the Market House, in Thurles, on Monday the 17th inst., at which the humane of all denominations attended. His Grace, Dr. Laffan was in the chair, and Mr. Matthew V. Quinlan acted as secretary. Dr. Laffan explained the objects of the meeting, and was briefly addressed by Mr. Lenigan, The Rev. Mr. Bradshaw, Curate of Moyne, the Rev. D. O'Connor, of Thurles, and Mr. Hennessy. The object and tendency of all were for the same humane and charitable purpose, and their appeals were nobly responded to by extremely liberal subscriptions which we also publish. The most kindly feelings prevailed on this occasion, and the praises bestowed in the resolutions "will wear well, for they were honourably earned". It was gratifying to perceive the Catholic Archbishop succeeded in the chair by the Protestant Curate; and if the form of a public meeting would admit of thanks to the second Chairman, the Rev. Mr. Armstrong richly deserves the compliment, as he visits the hospital and attends to the wants of its inmates, and is a truly efficient member of the board. Subscriptions. The Earl of Llandaff £50 His Grace, the most rev. Dr. Laffan £40 Edward Lenigan Esq. £30 Charles O'Keeffe Esq. £30 Thomas and Philip Kirwan. Esqrs £15 each William and Thomas Ryan Esqrs £15 each Luke Bray and Hugh Mulcahy Esqrs £20 each Dr. Butler, Francis O'Brien, Nick. Laffan, and Patrick Kirwan, Esqrs £10 each. The Rev. Dr. O'Connor, Rev. Henry Armstrong, and Rev. John Ryan £5 each. Miss Stannix, by the hands of Mr. Mulcahy, £5 James Lenigan, Castlefogarty, and Patrick Fogarty of Cabra Castle, £5 each. Thomas Hennessy, Thos. Rudkin, William Crowe, Joshua Lester, William Langley and Jas. Armstrong. £5 each. John Maher, Benjamin Russell, Amos Russell, and Wm. Nagle. £3 each. Surgeon Bradshaw, and Mr. Wm. Maher. 2 guineas each Rev. Benjamin Bradshaw, Rev. Peter Ryan, and John Ryan of Castlefogarty. £2 each. Adam Cooke, Archibald Cooke, Mrs Boyton, John Fanning, Malick Kirwan, George Grace, Timothy Cahill, Philip Cormack, Edmund Shea, Thomas Bergin, Mat. Quinlan, Thomas Bourke, James Breen, Thomas McKough, Richard Molumby, and John Cahill, £2 each. Thos. Strangman, Denis McCarthy, Patrick Bourke, and Denis Mullaney, £1.10.0. each Mr. Wallace £1.1.0. Thomas Malony, Edmund Bourke, Mrs. Quinlan, James Kelly, Arthur O'Connor, Thomas Browne, Rev. Mr. Hodnett, Rev. Mr. McNamara, £1 each. Mary

The Thief among the Apothecaries. The shop of Mr. Douglas, of Killenaule, Apothecary, and member of the Board of Health, which has been established in that town, was entered and robbed on Thursday evening last. So great was the love for the physic with which the light-fingered son of Hermes was actuated, that he did not leave to the disciple of Esculapius withal to compound his medicine. The Pestle and mortar were taken off!. Ballynonty Races. On Thursday last, several well contented matches went off on the race course of Ballynonty. There was considerable betting. The principal horses were those of Ambrose Lane, Jn. Langley, and Mr. Blake, Chiel Constable. Mr. Langleys was the winner on the occasion. After this spirited race, there were two races of farmers horses for saddle and bridle, which was a source of additional amusement to the very fashionable and numerous assembly who attended the occasion. Mary

Tish: The Church of Ireland facility in Newport ceased to exist a number of years ago, sorry. The original Newport Parish records are now in the custody of the Representative Church Body Library in Dublin. The records themselves are not in the best of shape, falling apart and pages just stuck here and there. In addition, a later rector took some pains to copy all the registers, in roughly 1920 or so, and those are in the custody of a local Newport historian. I've viewed both sets. I am particularly interested in the Burgess family, as they married a number of times into the Powell family, whom I've been researching for a number of years. I suspect, based on what I've found in Newport C of I and Catholic registers, that the Burgess family of the mid 1700s was actually a product of a mixed marriage, with subsequent descendants marrying equally often in the Church of Ireland and the Catholic Church. The actual registers for Newport did very often list the burial site for the person, so for starters I would recommend that you get someone to look at the actual register and see if it does show the burial place for Isabella. However, I would also tend to think it very possible that your Alexander (1834) and John (1836) could very well be the Alexander born in 1825--variances in ages is pretty common in that time period. Generally, lacking a christening, about all you can assume is that the person knew they were old enough to do something. If you email me off list, I can probably give you some further assistance. I have a friend in Dublin who is regularly in that Newport register and maybe she could do some looking for you. Cindy

Thank you Bob, I will do that. Tish ----- Original Message ----- From: "bob ryan" <ryanblack@cox.net> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 5:02 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Help with Church of Ireland, Newport > Hi Tish > Find out the name of the of the Church in Newport and write them a letter > with all your questions. Enclose whatever you think it is worth. Or call > them, early in the AM our time is very cheap. It won't take long to find out > if they will give you any info if you call them.. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Tish" <tish@cablelan.net> > To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:40 PM > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Help with Church of Ireland, Newport > > >>I received some information ten years ago regarding some of my ancestors. >>I was very pleased with the response, and the amount charged to me for this >>information. I am wondering if anyone could fill in some of the unknown. >> >> It states that Alec George LOWRY(LAWRIE/LOWRIE) was born in Newport to >> Alexander LOWRY and Elizabeth BURGESS. and baptized in Church of Ireland, >> Newport, 5/3/1825. A brother John William was baptized 27/9/1829. >> >> There is also a notice of death for a baby Isabella on 18250502, born on >> that day also. I believe that this shows her to be the twin to Alezander >> George. It does not name a graveyard, but states the burial record is >> with John PENNEFATHER [Rector]. >> >> I have several questions: Would it be possible to find the name of the >> graveyard from this information? >> >> Going by the naming pattern, and the fact that children were often named >> for dead siblings - and also knowing that my grandfather, Alexander M. >> LOWRY/LAWRIE/LOWRIE Is shown to be born in 1834 in "Tully" Ireland to >> these same parents, and George LOWRY born circa 1836, I would suspect that >> the first Alexander George and John William died. >> >> Would there be any way of verifying this? Would there actually be >> gravesites of these children, if in fact they had died? >> >> I realize this is lengthy, but so has my search been. I am hoping that >> someone can throw some light on these people, or suggest other avenues to >> follow. They came to Canada, but I am not sure when. They were here in >> the mid 1800's and perhaps before. >> >> Thanks so very much, >> Tish >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Tish Find out the name of the of the Church in Newport and write them a letter with all your questions. Enclose whatever you think it is worth. Or call them, early in the AM our time is very cheap. It won't take long to find out if they will give you any info if you call them.. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tish" <tish@cablelan.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 11, 2006 7:40 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Help with Church of Ireland, Newport >I received some information ten years ago regarding some of my ancestors. >I was very pleased with the response, and the amount charged to me for this >information. I am wondering if anyone could fill in some of the unknown. > > It states that Alec George LOWRY(LAWRIE/LOWRIE) was born in Newport to > Alexander LOWRY and Elizabeth BURGESS. and baptized in Church of Ireland, > Newport, 5/3/1825. A brother John William was baptized 27/9/1829. > > There is also a notice of death for a baby Isabella on 18250502, born on > that day also. I believe that this shows her to be the twin to Alezander > George. It does not name a graveyard, but states the burial record is > with John PENNEFATHER [Rector]. > > I have several questions: Would it be possible to find the name of the > graveyard from this information? > > Going by the naming pattern, and the fact that children were often named > for dead siblings - and also knowing that my grandfather, Alexander M. > LOWRY/LAWRIE/LOWRIE Is shown to be born in 1834 in "Tully" Ireland to > these same parents, and George LOWRY born circa 1836, I would suspect that > the first Alexander George and John William died. > > Would there be any way of verifying this? Would there actually be > gravesites of these children, if in fact they had died? > > I realize this is lengthy, but so has my search been. I am hoping that > someone can throw some light on these people, or suggest other avenues to > follow. They came to Canada, but I am not sure when. They were here in > the mid 1800's and perhaps before. > > Thanks so very much, > Tish > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I received some information ten years ago regarding some of my ancestors. I was very pleased with the response, and the amount charged to me for this information. I am wondering if anyone could fill in some of the unknown. It states that Alec George LOWRY(LAWRIE/LOWRIE) was born in Newport to Alexander LOWRY and Elizabeth BURGESS. and baptized in Church of Ireland, Newport, 5/3/1825. A brother John William was baptized 27/9/1829. There is also a notice of death for a baby Isabella on 18250502, born on that day also. I believe that this shows her to be the twin to Alezander George. It does not name a graveyard, but states the burial record is with John PENNEFATHER [Rector]. I have several questions: Would it be possible to find the name of the graveyard from this information? Going by the naming pattern, and the fact that children were often named for dead siblings - and also knowing that my grandfather, Alexander M. LOWRY/LAWRIE/LOWRIE Is shown to be born in 1834 in "Tully" Ireland to these same parents, and George LOWRY born circa 1836, I would suspect that the first Alexander George and John William died. Would there be any way of verifying this? Would there actually be gravesites of these children, if in fact they had died? I realize this is lengthy, but so has my search been. I am hoping that someone can throw some light on these people, or suggest other avenues to follow. They came to Canada, but I am not sure when. They were here in the mid 1800's and perhaps before. Thanks so very much, Tish

As part of my family research here in Ireland, I have recorded many of the surname indexes for the civil parish of Tipperary and many of it's surrounding civil parishes. I have indexed all the surnames and their corresponding civil parishes, over 6000 entries, and have the index now online at my website. Gradually, I will get all the civil parishes online, as time permits. So far, I have the Ballygriffin Civil Parish completed and on line. The civil parish surname indexes include the the number of times the surname was found in the Griffith's Valuation plus if it was found in the Tithe Applotments. I have also included the years both were accomplished for the civil parish. You can find links to the indexs and the civil parishes at: http://www.connorsgenealogy.com/tipp/ Pat Connors, currently visiting Dublin, Ireland http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Original Poetry, for the Tipp Free Press. Written by the Nenagh Minstrel. The Wandering Exile. 1 In his bosom a wandering exile, dear Erin, With devotion inshrines all that to thee belong, The bright gliding Shannon still sighs in his hearing, With the tones of thy harp and the strains of thy song. In fancy he roams o'er the wood covered mountains, And wanders thy green winding vallies among, And hangs o'er the gush of they murmering fountain, O'er which in his boyhood so fondly he hung. 2. Though fate unrelenting now dooms him a ranger, The rememberance of thee is alive in his breast, Indignation he wakes in the soul of the stranger, With the dirge of thy wrongs and thy children oppressed. He wins with the strains of his harp to respect thee, The nations beyond the Atlantic's broad deep, And tho' from the oppressor he cannot protect thee, Thy wrongs recollections he'll never let sleep. Mary

Thurles fair Day. This is part of an article on the fair day in Maynooth and Thurles. The writer is comparing the fair day in Maynooth which is quiet, placid, peaceful and orderly. Start. How insignificant, and how dull the peaceable termination of a Maynooth fair , to the dash and the spree, the kick-up, the fighting, and the fury, of a real fair day in Thurles. It would be a gross injustice to the town, which is in the centre of Tipperary, not to mention that it is the only place that preserves , in all its pristine purity, "the old spirit of the Country". There are "the pudding lane boys", and the "high hill boys", "the Hickey boys", and "the Hogan boys", "the three year olds" and the "four year olds", the "White hen boys", anf the "magpie boys", with divisions, subdivisions, fractions and particles of the boys, that makes it a complete certainty that you will see a fight in Thurles , as that there is a fair holden in the town. Then there is, when all appears most quiet, a rush from one faction or another-a glorious tartering sweep of the stronger party through the entire street, driving tables, chairs, bed-steads, pannikins, rolls of cloth, bundles of linen, chaney, crockery, gingerbread, toys, boys, girls, old men, and young women into one inexericable mass of confusion. Then there is the rally of the weaker party- the outfighting, the shillellalas? going, the stones flying, the alpeens whirring, then the dash of the police, the flashing of bayonets, the smashing of iron?, the slating of the peelers, the taking of prisoners, and when the matter becomes serious, a peppering discharge of firearms, the cry of the wounded, the clearing of the town by the military , the distant shouting of "the boys", and thus closes another fair at Thurles. How different, how very different, is such a spirit stirring scene, to the dull, the quiet, and the business doing fair of Maynooth. Mary

-----Original Message----- From: irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-tipperary-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of laraine dillon Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2006 7:42 PM To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-TIPPERARY] (no subject) Hi please unscribe till further notice. laraine in Oz lmcd96@bigpond.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <tipwex@eircom.net> To: "Irl Tipp" <IRL-TIPPERARY-L@rootsweb.com>; "County Tipperary" <CoTipperary-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 3:54 AM Subject: [IRL-TIPPERARY] (no subject) > 29-8-1844 Ireland > > The Roman Catholic Bequests Bill. > > > > You have been already furnished with tolerably numerous samples of the > unfavourable opinion entertained of this measure by the Roman Catholic > hierarchy, as well as by the subordinate clergy, but there is good reason > for believing that if the sense of the laity were made know, it would be > found to be highly favourable to the enactments of the bill in general, > and > to that clause (the 16th) in particular, which requires all wills or > deeds, > to be registered three calendar months before the death of the person, or > persons, executing the same. The truth is, that it is this very clause > which > has excited the ire of Dr. McHale and his train of satellites, and has > caused such rivers of ink to flow dennunciatory of the whole bill. An > instance of the positive necessity of the enactment, guarded by such a > provision as that which is specially objected to, will, in all probability > , > shortly come before the public, the facts of which, as I am informed, are > briefly these:' > > Some time since a man who had by a long and laborious life of unremitting > industry amassed, in the humble capacity of a pedlar, a sum of 5,000s., > made, while in the enjoyment of full health , a will, bequeathing 3,000s > of > his property in legacies to the various Catholic Charities in his > immediate > neighbourhood , besides a donation to the county infirmary, which was, of > course, open to patients of all religious persuasions. The residue of this > property he willed to some poor relations. In the course of time the > testator fell ill, and was attended in his illness by the Parish Priest, > who, having discovered the disposition he had made of his property, > persuaded the dying man to cancel the will, which he did, and execute a > new > one, in which he left the whole of his 5,000s. for the "Use of the > Church", > and to make assurance doubly sure, he was further persuaded to execute a > power of attorney, , transferring the stock from his own name to that of > two > titular bishops, one of whom subsequently refused to take any part in the > transaction. Scarcely had the priest left the sick bed, when the patient > partially rallied, and expressed to a friend near him, his regret at the > step he had just taken, and, feeling that his life was drawing to a close, > he had merely strength to write a few lines to a relative in Dublin, who > acted as a kind of agent, authorising him to resist the transfer of the > stock, and declaring his wish that his property should be disposed of > according to the terms of his original will. He died that day, but the > letter thus written did not reach its destination until two days > afterwards, > and too late to be of any avail. The relatives of the deceased, however, > determined not to let the matter drop, and legal measures are being taken > for the recovery of their share of the money. But, in the event of their > being defeated in the attempt , it is still considered a matter of doubt > whether the second will can stand good, or whether the property may not be > diverted to another and very different channel from what was originally > intended; inasmuch as, in drawing up a fresh deed, and in naming the > Bishop > of the Diocese as the trustee, it was not stated whether the Bishop was > the > "Catholic Bishop" or the "Protestant Bishop" was meant ; and as the law > did > not recognize the title of the former "Catholic Bishop" , previous to the > passing of the Charitable Requests Bill, the Protestant Bishop might > fairly > lay claim to the disputed property. > > Mary > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello! Could someone please help me? I have a shipping record of a John William Bennett coming to Australia & I have his parents Theophilis & Margaret Bennett from Tipperary & the place of his birth they say Kings County...isn't this Offaly? I know him to be born at Templemore although I cannot find his birth record only that of other siblings. Do you think that this is a error or am I missing something. Any suggestions? Regards Robyn

Vicki, in reply to Gary's request for info re-access to church records, states that they are still closed but said she asked for a single record search which only cost E18. Does this mean that they will search all the records for this person or do you have to specify some details other than the name? Is it possible to request the search online? Gill

Hi, In my case I have specified the parish, which of course you may not know. I have given a rough idea of the date as well. On their website it says that the search will generate 'the baptismal or marriage record of a named ancestor' so I don't know if you have to state the place or not, but they are very quick to respond to e-mails so I'm sure if you ask they will tell you. I think it's a useful way to get a small information without paying for the primary search- if for some reason your ancestors aren't where you expect them to be then you will only have wasted E18 for a negative search. I haven't had my results yet, but since I comissioned the research I have had reason to believe that it will be a negative result (ie not Catholic) so I am very glad I comissioned a single record search rather than a primary search! Vicki >From: "Gill Spooner" <gspooner@ntlworld.com> >Reply-To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com >To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> >Subject: Re: [IRL-TIPPERARY] Alternatives to Cashel / Emly Research >Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2006 17:12:21 +0100 > >Vicki, in reply to Gary's request for info re-access to church records, >states that they are still closed but said she asked for a single record >search which only cost E18. Does this mean that they will search all the >records for this person or do you have to specify some details other than >the name? Is it possible to request the search online? > >Gill > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

You should talk to Robert Duggan when you come back. Have a good one too. Cheryle ----- Original Message ----- From: laraine dillon To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 1:01 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIPPERARY] (no subject) Thanks cheryle, can you keep your eye out for Heffernan. Duggan and Comerford stories on list while I.m away. Will think of you girl Laraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryle Judge" <cjudge@westnet.com.au> To: <filidh@carolina.rr.com>; <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIPPERARY] (no subject) > Hi Chris, > I have already sorted her out. > Have a good one. > Cheryle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: filidh@carolina.rr.com > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIPPERARY] (no subject) > > > Laraine, > I am on vacation. You will have to unsubscribe yourself. > Send an email to: > IRL-Tipperary-L@rootsweb.com > > Put unsubscribe in the body of the message. > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: laraine dillon lmcd96@bigpond.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks cheryle, can you keep your eye out for Heffernan. Duggan and Comerford stories on list while I.m away. Will think of you girl Laraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cheryle Judge" <cjudge@westnet.com.au> To: <filidh@carolina.rr.com>; <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:57 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIPPERARY] (no subject) > Hi Chris, > I have already sorted her out. > Have a good one. > Cheryle > ----- Original Message ----- > From: filidh@carolina.rr.com > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Sent: Monday, September 04, 2006 12:37 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIPPERARY] (no subject) > > > Laraine, > I am on vacation. You will have to unsubscribe yourself. > Send an email to: > IRL-Tipperary-L@rootsweb.com > > Put unsubscribe in the body of the message. > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: laraine dillon lmcd96@bigpond.com > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message