I am enjoying hearing about all the trips to Ireland. Thank you all so much for sharing your experiences with me (and the group)... I will be mighty disappointed if I don't find any good, lively pubs filled with wonderful music. I'll sure be asking everyone I see. Glad to hear that driving wasn't too much of a trama....that is definately my biggest worry. We pick up the car at the Dublin airport and will make our way to Knocktopher Abbey just south of Killkenny City. About an hour and a half, I think... Then we have to be in Clonmel for church the next morning..... My husband makes me nervous here.......I can only imagine... I'll be sending you all a note when I get back telling you about my nervous breakdown.... I'm starting to feel more relaxed about the trip and realizing that I need to enjoy the trip and enjoy being there more than I need to worry about which library to go to. If I find more family info, Good....but if not, I will have been as close to them as I can get. Thank you all for your help... Donna

Jan, I would love to talk to you about your Michael Cashin...if you can tell me all about him, maybe something will fit. Do you have any dates for him? Janet, I have noticed in looking at Cashin families on the internet that there were LOTS of them that made their way to Australia/New Zealand. Do you have any other info about your Johnanna? With the naming customs in Ireland a daughter of my Robert and Johanna would certainly have been named Johanna as well. If you know when she was born, that would help. Do you have any idea when she died? One of the things I hope to go is find other children for my Robert and Johanna as well as locating their parents if I can. I want so much to see where they lived. I would certainly love to find a connection with both of you and will definately keep these names on my list as I'm looking at whatever I can get my hands on in Ireland. Thank you for letting me know about your families. Donna

I just checked the Comhaltas website; a direct link to the listing of NA branches is <http://www.ccenorthamerica.org/> Hopefully it will work. Mary

You are right... Bru Boru has excellent shows, and the food isn't bad. As far as the traditional music, it may be you have to know where to look. We got back 10 days ago, and heard some great TRAD music while there. I still have family there, some of whom are musicians and sean nos singers, so that was easy for me... they told us where they were playing! Some pubs have Trad on a weekly basis, but the sessions are not nearly as common as they used to be. Sometimes I think Trad music has a stronger following in North America than in Ireland. If you are interested in traditional Irish music, join Comhaltas Ceoltoiri Eireann, an international group dedicated to preserving Irish music and culture. There are branches throughout Canada and the US. The website is: <www.comhaltas.com> Not all branches are listed when you click on the branches link, only those with websites. To find a listing of branches, click on the CCe North America link, then Directory in the left column.

Hi Janet, Would you have an Alice Cashin in your family? She was born about 1830, and married Patrick Geary around 1850. Their children, that I know of were Michael-1854, Patrick-1861, John-1862, James-1864, Richard-1867, and Mary-1873. I obtained the children's birth dates from, death certs, naturalization papers, etc. Some are approximate. They children came to Fall River, MA beginning with Michael in 1871, the others followed at different times, some arriving in Philadelphia. If anyone has information on this family, I would love to hear from them. Thanks, Paula

Yes, like with research, you have to prepare and not be afraid to ask. I think because of that novice knowledge, we think the traditional music is flowing from every pub along with similar images. It is there but inquire ahead and after you are there and you will find a variety of music and traditional things of all sorts. BUT just like in the US (or elsewhere), you'll find poor examples. Good traditional country music vs. Dixie Hens? Good, traditional Rock & Roll vs. most in recent years.........etc. and it's a perspective of course. Prepare & enjoy! On Thu, 5 Oct 2006 08:20:21 -0500 griffin-m-d@webtv.net (Donna and Mike Griffin) writes: > I am enjoying hearing about all the trips to Ireland. Thank you all > so > much for sharing your experiences with me (and the group)... > > > I will be mighty disappointed if I don't find any good, lively pubs > filled with wonderful music. I'll sure be asking everyone I see. > > Glad to hear that driving wasn't too much of a trama....that is > definately my biggest worry. We pick up the car at the Dublin > airport > and will make our way to Knocktopher Abbey just south of Killkenny > City. > About an hour and a half, I think... Then we have to be in Clonmel > for > church the next morning..... My husband makes me nervous > here.......I > can only imagine... > I'll be sending you all a note when I get back telling you about my > nervous breakdown.... > > I'm starting to feel more relaxed about the trip and realizing that > I > need to enjoy the trip and enjoy being there more than I need to > worry > about which library to go to. If I find more family info, > Good....but > if not, I will have been as close to them as I can get. > > Thank you all for your help... > > Donna > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Hello List I've just been going over some of these comments about visiting Ireland. Normally I just read the digests as I'm not informed enough in Irish genealogy to add much myself but I did drive around Tipperary this summer for the first time. As a Canadian traveling to Ireland for the first time this summer I also expected the turny, twisty little roads, discovering my ancestors records in a previously unexplored local resource and most of all I was looking forward to that true Irish pub with real Irish music. Well in many ways I was disappointed and in many ways it was the best trip of my life. I came back with a few gems of family history and had my best success at the local history collections in each county's capital. Mostly I was frustrated and spent entire days digging through irrelevant materials and finding nothing. The turny twisty roads may be there but you probably won't see much of them today unless you are driving out to a private farm. The major routes between counties are motorways today and the secondary roads are excellent and widened now. I drove all over Laois, Tipperary, Cork and Kilkenny for a week without seeing one single sheep or cow on a road. I had to wait behind a few tractors moving between fields on fairly major roads but they were very cooperative and had pullover spots every few miles which they did tend to use to let the bottled up traffic go by. And driving on the left isn't that hard to adjust to. Just don't feel that you've got a handle on it and relax or you'll go around a traffic circle and come out in a right hand lane by instinct. The greatest part of the trip was the genuine warmth of the people and the staff of the resource centers once you are right there talking to them. I now realize that there is a big difference for them between talking to someone who has actually made the effort to some over to do the research than there is receiving maybe 100 emails a day from all over the world where the Irish have settled from people that you just cannot afford to spend the time to connect with. People who stated they could not meet individual research requests were staying with me through their lunch hours pulling out books from all over the place which might help. And the people in the towns you stop in for a few groceries or at the tourist sites even go way out of there way to make you feel welcome. And the land is as beautiful as you could possibly expect. The rain helps that out. It's very green all right. But the ancient buildings which people still live in, the black smoke from a peat fire even in houses in large towns on a cool evening, the shades of dark green on the hills and valleys you pass along, the ruins, too many actually, they make you think how rough the people's history has been there, how many powerful people have ruled over the other people until they were chased out by another power who tore down the churches, monasteries, mansions, tower houses and fortresses of the previous powerful people. But there the Irish common people still are. The ones who persevered through all those times and who are now enjoying the benefits of living in the most prosperous country in Europe. One thing they did lose through these modern times. Those true Irish pubs playing real Irish music. In a whole week we didn't find one. Not one. Every pub with hundreds of years of history on the walls was playing the same canned music you would find in a pub in Canada or the US. We asked in a few and were told that no-one wanted to hear that old music anymore. If they played Irish pub tunes, the locals would move to another pub. There are a few traditional music pubs but just where there are enough tourist preferably by the bus load to keep them busy. You can expect to hear those pub fiddle tunes at a tourist site mostly in the gift shops but that's about it. I'm sure there are a few country pubs left with a local group but we never found one. The best show of traditional music we found was at the Bro Boru (spelling?) Centre at the foot of Mount Cashel. That was amazing and worth every cent. Those musicians and dancers performed their hearts out and then settled down to an informal session in a side room after the formal show was over and the tour busses left. That was the only time we stumbled across the real thing. I'm already pulling my limited funds together to get back there as soon as I can. Tom ________________________________________ Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:57:26 -0500 From: griffin-m-d@webtv.net (Donna and Mike Griffin) Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] IRL-TIPPERARY Digest, Vol 1, Issue 22 To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <16507-4523A1A6-1516@storefull-3314.bay.webtv.net> Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Thank you all so much for your wonderful advice. I really need it....time is getting short. .......... Thank you all again....I'm keeping my fingers crossed and I will enjoy just being there and soaking up the sites. Can't wait to hear REAL Irish music in a REAL Irish pub..... Donna ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 12:08:15 +0000 From: "Vicki Perry" <vickifperry@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Travelling in Ireland To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <BAY109-F2587ECCF7E07DEF32F578CBB1D0@phx.gbl> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Hi, Unfortunately I'm not driving so I will be sticking to Dublin next week. I used to live in Ireland and every summer my parents would come and visit with their car and we would take off to all of the places that we had discovered in the records. We had a wonderful time just driving around, not knowing where we would be spending the night! B and Bs are very cheap in the country, we found places that were no more than 20 euro each per night. I haven't been to Tipperary yet as it's only a recently discovered branch of the tree. I don't drive yet myself (my dad used to do all the driving) but the roads aren't that great once you get out of the towns- I remember once we had to turn back and find an alternative route as a bend was too sharp and steep- and this was apparently on the main road! I'd suggest going to the local pub and talking to the people who live in the place where your ancestors came from. There were people in the village in Clare where my Perry ancestors came from and they remembered the last of the Perrys that lived there, the last of whom died in the 1960s I think. Regards Vicki >From: griffin-m-d@webtv.net (Donna and Mike Griffin) >Reply-To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com >To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] IRL-TIPPERARY Digest, Vol 1, Issue 22 >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:57:26 -0500 > >Thank you all so much for your wonderful advice. I really need >it....time is getting short. > >Mary, My best info about my Griffin family is from John's US Citizenship >papers where he stated that he is from the City of Cork. His parents >are Cornelius Griffin and Ellen Sheehan. His wife (married in MA) is >Catherine Coughlin whose brother stated on his citizenship papers that >he is from Cork. They all arrived here in the 1840s... No Grady's yet, >I'm afraid. Any of my names familiar to you??? > >Back to Tipperary/Waterford....We do have a weekend planned in Dublin at >the end of our trip ..... I'll check to see if any of the research sites >there are available on Saturday. Thank you for that suggestion. > >Vicki....have a wonderful trip and please let me know what you learned >about traveling in Ireland. Are you driving???? > >I'll check the library again in Waterford. Part of my frustration is >that folks in Waterford (at the library) say to go to Tipperary and >Tipperary folks say to go to Waterford for the records.....I've had >trouble finding the right library to work from and worry that time for >both (especially if I start at the wrong one) will be limited. > >Had not even thought of the Hospital...are records available to the >public there???? How do I approach that source??? > >I spoke to someone at St. Peter and Pauls this morning and hope to get >some help from them....I'm going to try St. Marys (Catholic) as well.... >Anyone have experience with these churches. The lady I spoke to was >very nice.... > >Thank you all again....I'm keeping my fingers crossed and I will enjoy >just being there and soaking up the sites. Can't wait to hear REAL >Irish music in a REAL Irish pub..... > >Donna > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 09:17:29 EDT From: MGG4891@aol.com Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] IRL-TIPPERARY Digest To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <c12.641af93.32550e69@aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Hi, Donna! Thanks for the info re the Griffins. No, none of those names is familiar to my searching, but that doesn't mean a lot as the only name I have been able to locate in connection with my Griffins is Grady. Best of luck on your trip. I envy you! Mary ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 10:18:20 -0400 From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <00a901c6e7bf$f321b480$0f00a8c0@jan> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original I would like to be in touch with you after you return from Ireland. I have a Michael Cashin, ggggrandfather, but I have hit brick walls with him. Rather than discuss Cashins at this point in time, I think it would be better if you used your energy to focus on your trip to Ireland. :-) :-) I have been to Dublin several times and have learned that to save time I have to be quite organized. I keep one folder for the National LIbrary, one for the National Archives, one for the Valuation Office etc. I keep a running list of what I want and then run it off before I go. That way I don't have to do a lot of thinking in Ireland. I can just move from one item to the next. If you have not done research in Dublin before, you will need time to figure out how to get from your B & B or hotel to the research places you want to visit. This takes time. You need a reader's ticket (no money) at the archives and it takes time to register for this. At the Nat. Library, if you are just going to look at church records, you do not need to pay for a reader's ticket. You can get a card on a chain from the office of volunteers, but..... if they are working with someone before you, you might have quite a long wait. I have gone in, signed their book, taken a card with a chain, put it around my neck and have then signed my name (have to do that at the desk) and gotten the papers you fill out to ask for parish records - three at a time - MUST use pencil only. I have also been told, when I checked my backpack downstairs, that I don't need a card with a chain at all,that I can go right to the desk. The library is open till 8:45 p.m. Mon-Wed. that helps. Here is a web page that seems to list parishes for Cashel and Emly. (No records can be looked at in the library - just plain off limits - we won't get into how STUPID that is). http://www.cashel-emly.ie/main/parishes/ It looks as if you are in luck because I think Clonmel is in the Diocese of Waterford and Lismore and you can search those records at the library. Go to http://www.nli.ie Click Family History Research on the right Click Parish registers in the National Library Click Kilmore-Waterford Waterford is the last diocese. Scroll down until you come to the parish you want. If it is St. mary's, Clonmel, you will see the years that are covered on the film and that the number you want when you request the film (the librarian will help you to fill out the form - different from a book) There are three films available for this parish, depending on the year you are interested in: P. 2460, P. 2461, P.2462. I decided to send this message off the list. I hope it arrives safely. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna and Mike Griffin" <griffin-m-d@webtv.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:25 AM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > I'm so glad to find this list and to have a place to get some help with > my questions. > > I'm planning a trip to Ireland the first week of November and I am > trying to plan where to visit to do some research. You can tell I'm > from the US since I'm thinking I'll just show up at a > courthouse/library/archives and be allowed to have fun searching for my > families. > > I'm starting to realize that records are not available to the public. > > Here are my Tipperary (or is it Waterford) families... > > Which is it? That's my first question... > > Robert Cashin was baptized at St. Mary's Irishtown, Clonmel, Co. > Tipperary in 1833. I have this record. > > Robert (and two brothers that I know of, David and Edmond) are the sons > of James Cashin and Johanna Keating. > > There is a James Cashin on Griffith's in St. Mary's parish, Clonmel but > it is in Waterford. > > Robert Cashin married Ellen Fitzgerald at Ss Peter and Paul's, Clonmel, > Tipperary (per their marriage record) in 1856. Ellen is the daughter of > Daniel Fitzgerald and Bridget McGrath. > > Robert, Ellen, David and Edmond all arrived in the US in the late 1850s. > > I have FINALLY come to believe that while Clonmel is in fact in Co > Tipperary, the records are kept in Co. Waterford. Is that right??? > > I am also starting to realize that every question I ask at the research > center is going to cost me about 95 euro. Is that right???? > > I can't look at records myself, right??? > > Should I try the churches? Do I need to make an appointment? > > I'm really trying to do a good job planning this trip and sure could use > your help. > > Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge with me... > > Donna > > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Wed, 04 Oct 2006 17:13:53 +0000 From: lpg7600@comcast.net Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Griffins in Tipperary To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <100420061713.27846.4523EBD100044DBC00006CC62213528573CFCFC0C9099F04@com cast.net> Content-Type: text/plain -------------- Original message -------------- Hi Donna or any skp I've been reading messages on the digest. I'm a Griffin whose great great grandfather was John Griffin He was born in Tipperary Town, Co. Tipperary c 1822. His father was Michael. His mother may have been a Helen or Catherine. Since I have quite a bit of specific information, what is the best way to try and find his birth, parents and siblings? I really would appreciate any help that anybody can give me. Thank you, Lynn Griffin > > HI, Donna! > > Sorry I can't help you with your Ireland questions. I see by your email > address that you probably have Griffin in your ancestry. I know that is a very > common name in Ireland, but I have to grasp at any straw that comes along. > > Do you have any Gradys in your Griffin line?I have very little information to > go on. I dont' even know if they came from Co. Tipperary. > > Thanks for any info. > > Mary > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:15:56 +0000 > From: "Vicki Perry" > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Hi Donna, > > If I were you then I would go to Dublin and make use of the genealogy > advisory service at the National Library (see > http://www.nli.ie/new_what_res.htm) and also the one at the National > Archives (http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/service.html). Take along > everything that you have and make sure it is clearly laid out so they can > give you advice on where you can go next. > > Your family obviously moved before civil registration began, but there may > be brothes and sisters that remained in Ireland that would have died after > 1865, so their deaths may have been registered. See > http://www.groireland.ie/. > > With regards to parish records- the National Library has a copy of a > microfilm of them, but you will not be allowed access to this. Most other > parish records are available there. The originals may be in the custody of > the parish priest and the Cashel and Emly website is vague about access to > these. I just had a quick look at it and it says that "Not every parish can > entertain enquiries about its records and will refer you to TFHR, where the > records of all parishes of Cashel and Emly are indexed and available. Should > the parish admit enquiry, ensure that you have all relevant details and > existing variations of spellings." So maybe you will be lucky- perhaps > someone who has tried this can confirm. I would certainly ask first, there's > no harm in it. > > The Tipperary Family Research Centre is the place where they will do look > ups for you. Personally I would go for single record searches there. For > example the next thing you will want will be the marriage of James Cashin > and Johanna Keating. So ask them to do a single record search for this > first. Then you have only paid a small amount out and can decide where to go > next yourself. Check how far back the registers go. There is no point in > paying for a search if the parish registers for the parish you want don't > survive early enough. > > So most of the resources will be in Dublin. There is also the Registry of > Deeds, wills at the National Archives and family and estate collections at > the National Library, among others. When I go to Ireland (I'm going on > Tuesday), I tend to have a few days in Dublin doing research and then have a > few more days in the place where my ancestors came from. You probably won't > find much here but you can get photographs and a real feel for the place > where they came from, which is as important as finding the records I think > anyway, which often don't survive in Ireland. > > Vicki > > > >From: griffin-m-d@webtv.net (Donna and Mike Griffin) > >Reply-To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > >To: IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:25:23 -0500 > > > >I'm so glad to find this list and to have a place to get some help with > >my questions. > > > >I'm planning a trip to Ireland the first week of November and I am > >trying to plan where to visit to do some research. You can tell I'm > >from the US since I'm thinking I'll just show up at a > >courthouse/library/archives and be allowed to have fun searching for my > >families. > > > >I'm starting to realize that records are not available to the public. > > > >Here are my Tipperary (or is it Waterford) families... > > > >Which is it? That's my first question... > > > >Robert Cashin was baptized at St. Mary's Irishtown, Clonmel, Co. > >Tipperary in 1833. I have this record. > > > >Robert (and two brothers that I know of, David and Edmond) are the sons > >of James Cashin and Johanna Keating. > > > >There is a James Cashin on Griffith's in St. Mary's parish, Clonmel but > >it is in Waterford. > > > >Robert Cashin married Ellen Fitzgerald at Ss Peter and Paul's, Clonmel, > >Tipperary (per their marriage record) in 1856. Ellen is the daughter of > >Daniel Fitzgerald and Bridget McGrath. > > > >Robert, Ellen, David and Edmond all arrived in the US in the late 1850s. > > > >I have FINALLY come to believe that while Clonmel is in fact in Co > >Tipperary, the records are kept in Co. Waterford. Is that right??? > > > >I am also starting to realize that every question I ask at the research > >center is going to cost me about 95 euro. Is that right???? > > > >I can't look at records myself, right??? > > > >Should I try the churches? Do I need to make an appointment? > > > >I'm really trying to do a good job planning this trip and sure could use > >your help. > > > >Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge with me... > > > >Donna > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:36:58 EDT > From: KaySlainte@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <389.c4b617f.325407ca@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Donna, > > You might try www.waterfordcountylibrary.ie . This site has Griffith's > Valuation/death register/directories etc. You may or may not find members of > your > family. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:51:48 -0400 > From: "bob ryan" > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > To: > Message-ID: <032401c6e746$e4602130$d6a80144@ibmlhjigdzm4db> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, you might want to check the Hospital in Clonmel for death records. How > expensive it is I don't remember. I got a some info there a few years ago. > > Bob Ryan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna and Mike Griffin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:25 AM > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > > > > I'm so glad to find this list and to have a place to get some help with > > my questions. > > > > I'm planning a trip to Ireland the first week of November and I am > > trying to plan where to visit to do some research. You can tell I'm > > from the US since I'm thinking I'll just show up at a > > courthouse/library/archives and be allowed to have fun searching for my > > families. > > > > I'm starting to realize that records are not available to the public. > > > > Here are my Tipperary (or is it Waterford) families... > > > > Which is it? That's my first question... > > > > Robert Cashin was baptized at St. Mary's Irishtown, Clonmel, Co. > > Tipperary in 1833. I have this record. > > > > Robert (and two brothers that I know of, David and Edmond) are the sons > > of James Cashin and Johanna Keating. > > > > There is a James Cashin on Griffith's in St. Mary's parish, Clonmel but > > it is in Waterford. > > > > Robert Cashin married Ellen Fitzgerald at Ss Peter and Paul's, Clonmel, > > Tipperary (per their marriage record) in 1856. Ellen is the daughter of > > Daniel Fitzgerald and Bridget McGrath. > > > > Robert, Ellen, David and Edmond all arrived in the US in the late 1850s. > > > > I have FINALLY come to believe that while Clonmel is in fact in Co > > Tipperary, the records are kept in Co. Waterford. Is that right??? > > > > I am also starting to realize that every question I ask at the research > > center is going to cost me about 95 euro. Is that right???? > > > > I can't look at records myself, right??? > > > > Should I try the churches? Do I need to make an appointment? > > > > I'm really trying to do a good job planning this trip and sure could use > > your help. > > > > Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge with me... > > > > Donna > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:59:47 -0400 > From: Mary Hoar > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel hospital? > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <90488031-420E-42DF-82FE-0A6D206C1381@optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Do you have an address for the Clonmel hospital? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:04:47 -0400 > From: Mary Hoar > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32FDD733-00A4-480C-9DC2-80D087D94575@optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > The (RC) Diocese of Waterford & Lismore includes the town of > Clonmel. These records are held at the Waterford Heritage Center. > The website is http://www.iol.ie/~mnoc/ > > I have not used their services since the Euro became the currency of > the land, so I do not know the cost for record searches. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:29:55 -0400 > From: "bob ryan" > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel hospital? > To: > Message-ID: <03ab01c6e74c$37411260$d6a80144@ibmlhjigdzm4db> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sorry to say I don't have it. I've been to Clonmel a few times and just > asked someone where it was and went there. 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7-4-1831 From the Times A family Quarrel-At the Clonmel assizes, Michael Bevan, Esq, was indicted for an assault on Joseph Cooke, Esq. at Cordangan. Mr. Cooke was examined on the trial, and admitted that Mr. Bevan was his brother-inlaw, and that he lived with his sister for 22 years, but that they were not really man and wife. The examination of this witness is not calculated for publication. Mrs. Bevans, he stated, was now concealed from her husband. Mr. Bevan was found guilty of the assault, but the affair was afterwards arranged between him and Mr. Cooke, by Mr. Bevan consenting to allow his wife 300/. A year. Mr. Bevan was then let out on his own recognizance. 7-5-1833 Fatel Duel This morning at 6 O'Clock a hostile meeting took place between John Power White Esq, a young law student, son of Power White, a gentleman of considerable property resident at Golden, Co. Tipperary and ? Weldon, Esq. Of County Carlow, (Formerly a medical student of the name of Dooley who had taken the patric? Of Weldon with a property of 6000/. ) The affair arose out of a trifling dispute at the theatre, which led to a cutting in the street, and as subsequent open defiance of each other last night at Shades Tavern , College Green, where Mr. Weldon happened to from one at a drinking party, and returned a chuff answer to Mr. White, who ventured to address him on entering. Mr. White then called him a blackguard, coward, etc. and was instantly challenged by Mr. Weldon. The affair was brought to a fatal termination this morning, at Sally-Park, adjoining the Grand Canal, at Parnell Bridge. The Hon. Edward Butler, son of Lord Dunboyne, was second to Mr. White, and a Mr. Bodkin, of Galway was second to Mr. Weldon. Both seconds stepped 12 long paces, linked arm in arm; the measured space was 16 yards, east and west. The sun was obscure at this hour, and both parties were on equal footin as to light and level. I have just been on the ground (The reporter not me). It appears that both parties were very difficult to be pleased, and tried several positions in the field ere they could determine on a fair spot. They at first stood at one spot, and were preparing to fire when it was discovered that two tall chimneys of a distillery a pair of horns in the horizan behind the head of one of the principals, this ground was therefore abandoned at once. The parties fired by signal, and almost together, when a ball passed through Mr. Whites forehead just above his right eye. He dropped dead on the instant, and the seconds absconded. The Coroners, Patley? and M'Carthy, immediately summoned a jury, and viewed the body. Little was elicited, except the unfortunate youth who lay dead at their feet, had first come in contact with his opponent as "Friends" of other parties, whom they had reconciled but at the expense of an misunderstanding between themselves, as very frequently happens amongst Irish seconds ; also that Mr. White had been second to the Hon. Mr. Butler on a previous occasion, when the latter went out with Captain O'Dogherty. This duel was fought close beside the spot where young Mr. O'Grady was shot in a duel last year by Captain Smith. It is said that Mr. Weldon is very eccentric-in fact a little touched 18-3-1833 Clonmel Herald County of Tipperary Calendar-Spring Assizes. Murder 35 Accessary to murder 4 Assault with intent ot murder 1 Cutting and maiming cattle 1 Rape 2 Housebreaking 1 Robbing of the person 5 Sheep stealing 5 Pig stealing 2 Mail robbing 2 Unlawful oath 5 Possession of stolen goods 3 Horse stealing 2 Robbery of arms 6 Bigamy 1 House robbery 16 Escaping from the Bridewell 1 Larceny in shop 1 Larceny in house 6 Felonious assault 6 Vagrancy 1 Appearing in arms 1 Passing Base Coin 1 Waylaying and grevious injury 2 Attacking houses and firing shots 4 Sacrilege 1 Abduction 1 Forcible Possession 1 Turning up Land 1 Perjury 1 Embezzlement 1 Total 120. Three murders. In our last we gave account of the riotous and outrageous conduct of the people on Wed. last at the steeplechase, at Turtola outside Thurles. Three men, two of them being of the name of Ryan were on their way home waylaid, and at the back of Mr. Langley's Orchard, at Archerstown, set on so violently that the two men of the name of Ryan were killed, and the other so savagely beaten, he has since died. One of the Ryans was from Kyle, his skull dreadfully fractured. The bodies were found in a ditch, outside the orchard already alluded to. It was remarked by the gentleman who intended to have joined the steeplechase on Wed. that the country people had pistols under their great-coats; and when the latter appeared to wish to provoke a fray by throwing stones the former prudently gave up their sport and returned home. Mary

-------------- Original message -------------- Hi Donna or any skp I've been reading messages on the digest. I'm a Griffin whose great great grandfather was John Griffin He was born in Tipperary Town, Co. Tipperary c 1822. His father was Michael. His mother may have been a Helen or Catherine. Since I have quite a bit of specific information, what is the best way to try and find his birth, parents and siblings? I really would appreciate any help that anybody can give me. Thank you, Lynn Griffin > > HI, Donna! > > Sorry I can't help you with your Ireland questions. I see by your email > address that you probably have Griffin in your ancestry. I know that is a very > common name in Ireland, but I have to grasp at any straw that comes along. > > Do you have any Gradys in your Griffin line?I have very little information to > go on. I dont' even know if they came from Co. Tipperary. > > Thanks for any info. > > Mary > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 16:15:56 +0000 > From: "Vicki Perry" > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > Hi Donna, > > If I were you then I would go to Dublin and make use of the genealogy > advisory service at the National Library (see > http://www.nli.ie/new_what_res.htm) and also the one at the National > Archives (http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/service.html). Take along > everything that you have and make sure it is clearly laid out so they can > give you advice on where you can go next. > > Your family obviously moved before civil registration began, but there may > be brothes and sisters that remained in Ireland that would have died after > 1865, so their deaths may have been registered. See > http://www.groireland.ie/. > > With regards to parish records- the National Library has a copy of a > microfilm of them, but you will not be allowed access to this. Most other > parish records are available there. The originals may be in the custody of > the parish priest and the Cashel and Emly website is vague about access to > these. I just had a quick look at it and it says that "Not every parish can > entertain enquiries about its records and will refer you to TFHR, where the > records of all parishes of Cashel and Emly are indexed and available. Should > the parish admit enquiry, ensure that you have all relevant details and > existing variations of spellings." So maybe you will be lucky- perhaps > someone who has tried this can confirm. I would certainly ask first, there's > no harm in it. > > The Tipperary Family Research Centre is the place where they will do look > ups for you. Personally I would go for single record searches there. For > example the next thing you will want will be the marriage of James Cashin > and Johanna Keating. So ask them to do a single record search for this > first. Then you have only paid a small amount out and can decide where to go > next yourself. Check how far back the registers go. There is no point in > paying for a search if the parish registers for the parish you want don't > survive early enough. > > So most of the resources will be in Dublin. There is also the Registry of > Deeds, wills at the National Archives and family and estate collections at > the National Library, among others. When I go to Ireland (I'm going on > Tuesday), I tend to have a few days in Dublin doing research and then have a > few more days in the place where my ancestors came from. You probably won't > find much here but you can get photographs and a real feel for the place > where they came from, which is as important as finding the records I think > anyway, which often don't survive in Ireland. > > Vicki > > > >From: griffin-m-d@webtv.net (Donna and Mike Griffin) > >Reply-To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > >To: IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:25:23 -0500 > > > >I'm so glad to find this list and to have a place to get some help with > >my questions. > > > >I'm planning a trip to Ireland the first week of November and I am > >trying to plan where to visit to do some research. You can tell I'm > >from the US since I'm thinking I'll just show up at a > >courthouse/library/archives and be allowed to have fun searching for my > >families. > > > >I'm starting to realize that records are not available to the public. > > > >Here are my Tipperary (or is it Waterford) families... > > > >Which is it? That's my first question... > > > >Robert Cashin was baptized at St. Mary's Irishtown, Clonmel, Co. > >Tipperary in 1833. I have this record. > > > >Robert (and two brothers that I know of, David and Edmond) are the sons > >of James Cashin and Johanna Keating. > > > >There is a James Cashin on Griffith's in St. Mary's parish, Clonmel but > >it is in Waterford. > > > >Robert Cashin married Ellen Fitzgerald at Ss Peter and Paul's, Clonmel, > >Tipperary (per their marriage record) in 1856. Ellen is the daughter of > >Daniel Fitzgerald and Bridget McGrath. > > > >Robert, Ellen, David and Edmond all arrived in the US in the late 1850s. > > > >I have FINALLY come to believe that while Clonmel is in fact in Co > >Tipperary, the records are kept in Co. Waterford. Is that right??? > > > >I am also starting to realize that every question I ask at the research > >center is going to cost me about 95 euro. Is that right???? > > > >I can't look at records myself, right??? > > > >Should I try the churches? Do I need to make an appointment? > > > >I'm really trying to do a good job planning this trip and sure could use > >your help. > > > >Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge with me... > > > >Donna > > > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 14:36:58 EDT > From: KaySlainte@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <389.c4b617f.325407ca@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Donna, > > You might try www.waterfordcountylibrary.ie . This site has Griffith's > Valuation/death register/directories etc. You may or may not find members of > your > family. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 19:51:48 -0400 > From: "bob ryan" > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > To: > Message-ID: <032401c6e746$e4602130$d6a80144@ibmlhjigdzm4db> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi, you might want to check the Hospital in Clonmel for death records. How > expensive it is I don't remember. I got a some info there a few years ago. > > Bob Ryan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Donna and Mike Griffin" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:25 AM > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > > > > I'm so glad to find this list and to have a place to get some help with > > my questions. > > > > I'm planning a trip to Ireland the first week of November and I am > > trying to plan where to visit to do some research. You can tell I'm > > from the US since I'm thinking I'll just show up at a > > courthouse/library/archives and be allowed to have fun searching for my > > families. > > > > I'm starting to realize that records are not available to the public. > > > > Here are my Tipperary (or is it Waterford) families... > > > > Which is it? That's my first question... > > > > Robert Cashin was baptized at St. Mary's Irishtown, Clonmel, Co. > > Tipperary in 1833. I have this record. > > > > Robert (and two brothers that I know of, David and Edmond) are the sons > > of James Cashin and Johanna Keating. > > > > There is a James Cashin on Griffith's in St. Mary's parish, Clonmel but > > it is in Waterford. > > > > Robert Cashin married Ellen Fitzgerald at Ss Peter and Paul's, Clonmel, > > Tipperary (per their marriage record) in 1856. Ellen is the daughter of > > Daniel Fitzgerald and Bridget McGrath. > > > > Robert, Ellen, David and Edmond all arrived in the US in the late 1850s. > > > > I have FINALLY come to believe that while Clonmel is in fact in Co > > Tipperary, the records are kept in Co. Waterford. Is that right??? > > > > I am also starting to realize that every question I ask at the research > > center is going to cost me about 95 euro. Is that right???? > > > > I can't look at records myself, right??? > > > > Should I try the churches? Do I need to make an appointment? > > > > I'm really trying to do a good job planning this trip and sure could use > > your help. > > > > Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge with me... > > > > Donna > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 19:59:47 -0400 > From: Mary Hoar > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel hospital? > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <90488031-420E-42DF-82FE-0A6D206C1381@optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > > Do you have an address for the Clonmel hospital? > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 20:04:47 -0400 > From: Mary Hoar > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <32FDD733-00A4-480C-9DC2-80D087D94575@optonline.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed > > > The (RC) Diocese of Waterford & Lismore includes the town of > Clonmel. These records are held at the Waterford Heritage Center. > The website is http://www.iol.ie/~mnoc/ > > I have not used their services since the Euro became the currency of > the land, so I do not know the cost for record searches. > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 20:29:55 -0400 > From: "bob ryan" > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel hospital? > To: > Message-ID: <03ab01c6e74c$37411260$d6a80144@ibmlhjigdzm4db> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sorry to say I don't have it. I've been to Clonmel a few times and just > asked someone where it was and went there. You might be able to Goggle it. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Hoar" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:59 PM > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel hospital? > > > > Do you have an address for the Clonmel hospital? > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-TIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-TIPPERARY Digest, Vol 1, Issue 22 > ********************************************

Hi, Unfortunately I'm not driving so I will be sticking to Dublin next week. I used to live in Ireland and every summer my parents would come and visit with their car and we would take off to all of the places that we had discovered in the records. We had a wonderful time just driving around, not knowing where we would be spending the night! B and Bs are very cheap in the country, we found places that were no more than 20 euro each per night. I haven't been to Tipperary yet as it's only a recently discovered branch of the tree. I don't drive yet myself (my dad used to do all the driving) but the roads aren't that great once you get out of the towns- I remember once we had to turn back and find an alternative route as a bend was too sharp and steep- and this was apparently on the main road! I'd suggest going to the local pub and talking to the people who live in the place where your ancestors came from. There were people in the village in Clare where my Perry ancestors came from and they remembered the last of the Perrys that lived there, the last of whom died in the 1960s I think. Regards Vicki >From: griffin-m-d@webtv.net (Donna and Mike Griffin) >Reply-To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com >To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] IRL-TIPPERARY Digest, Vol 1, Issue 22 >Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 06:57:26 -0500 > >Thank you all so much for your wonderful advice. I really need >it....time is getting short. > >Mary, My best info about my Griffin family is from John's US Citizenship >papers where he stated that he is from the City of Cork. His parents >are Cornelius Griffin and Ellen Sheehan. His wife (married in MA) is >Catherine Coughlin whose brother stated on his citizenship papers that >he is from Cork. They all arrived here in the 1840s... No Grady's yet, >I'm afraid. Any of my names familiar to you??? > >Back to Tipperary/Waterford....We do have a weekend planned in Dublin at >the end of our trip ..... I'll check to see if any of the research sites >there are available on Saturday. Thank you for that suggestion. > >Vicki....have a wonderful trip and please let me know what you learned >about traveling in Ireland. Are you driving???? > >I'll check the library again in Waterford. Part of my frustration is >that folks in Waterford (at the library) say to go to Tipperary and >Tipperary folks say to go to Waterford for the records.....I've had >trouble finding the right library to work from and worry that time for >both (especially if I start at the wrong one) will be limited. > >Had not even thought of the Hospital...are records available to the >public there???? How do I approach that source??? > >I spoke to someone at St. Peter and Pauls this morning and hope to get >some help from them....I'm going to try St. Marys (Catholic) as well.... >Anyone have experience with these churches. The lady I spoke to was >very nice.... > >Thank you all again....I'm keeping my fingers crossed and I will enjoy >just being there and soaking up the sites. Can't wait to hear REAL >Irish music in a REAL Irish pub..... > >Donna > > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I would like to be in touch with you after you return from Ireland. I have a Michael Cashin, ggggrandfather, but I have hit brick walls with him. Rather than discuss Cashins at this point in time, I think it would be better if you used your energy to focus on your trip to Ireland. :-) :-) I have been to Dublin several times and have learned that to save time I have to be quite organized. I keep one folder for the National LIbrary, one for the National Archives, one for the Valuation Office etc. I keep a running list of what I want and then run it off before I go. That way I don't have to do a lot of thinking in Ireland. I can just move from one item to the next. If you have not done research in Dublin before, you will need time to figure out how to get from your B & B or hotel to the research places you want to visit. This takes time. You need a reader's ticket (no money) at the archives and it takes time to register for this. At the Nat. Library, if you are just going to look at church records, you do not need to pay for a reader's ticket. You can get a card on a chain from the office of volunteers, but..... if they are working with someone before you, you might have quite a long wait. I have gone in, signed their book, taken a card with a chain, put it around my neck and have then signed my name (have to do that at the desk) and gotten the papers you fill out to ask for parish records - three at a time - MUST use pencil only. I have also been told, when I checked my backpack downstairs, that I don't need a card with a chain at all,that I can go right to the desk. The library is open till 8:45 p.m. Mon-Wed. that helps. Here is a web page that seems to list parishes for Cashel and Emly. (No records can be looked at in the library - just plain off limits - we won't get into how STUPID that is). http://www.cashel-emly.ie/main/parishes/ It looks as if you are in luck because I think Clonmel is in the Diocese of Waterford and Lismore and you can search those records at the library. Go to http://www.nli.ie Click Family History Research on the right Click Parish registers in the National Library Click Kilmore-Waterford Waterford is the last diocese. Scroll down until you come to the parish you want. If it is St. mary's, Clonmel, you will see the years that are covered on the film and that the number you want when you request the film (the librarian will help you to fill out the form - different from a book) There are three films available for this parish, depending on the year you are interested in: P. 2460, P. 2461, P.2462. I decided to send this message off the list. I hope it arrives safely. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna and Mike Griffin" <griffin-m-d@webtv.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:25 AM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > I'm so glad to find this list and to have a place to get some help with > my questions. > > I'm planning a trip to Ireland the first week of November and I am > trying to plan where to visit to do some research. You can tell I'm > from the US since I'm thinking I'll just show up at a > courthouse/library/archives and be allowed to have fun searching for my > families. > > I'm starting to realize that records are not available to the public. > > Here are my Tipperary (or is it Waterford) families... > > Which is it? That's my first question... > > Robert Cashin was baptized at St. Mary's Irishtown, Clonmel, Co. > Tipperary in 1833. I have this record. > > Robert (and two brothers that I know of, David and Edmond) are the sons > of James Cashin and Johanna Keating. > > There is a James Cashin on Griffith's in St. Mary's parish, Clonmel but > it is in Waterford. > > Robert Cashin married Ellen Fitzgerald at Ss Peter and Paul's, Clonmel, > Tipperary (per their marriage record) in 1856. Ellen is the daughter of > Daniel Fitzgerald and Bridget McGrath. > > Robert, Ellen, David and Edmond all arrived in the US in the late 1850s. > > I have FINALLY come to believe that while Clonmel is in fact in Co > Tipperary, the records are kept in Co. Waterford. Is that right??? > > I am also starting to realize that every question I ask at the research > center is going to cost me about 95 euro. Is that right???? > > I can't look at records myself, right??? > > Should I try the churches? Do I need to make an appointment? > > I'm really trying to do a good job planning this trip and sure could use > your help. > > Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge with me... > > Donna > > >

Hi, Donna! Thanks for the info re the Griffins. No, none of those names is familiar to my searching, but that doesn't mean a lot as the only name I have been able to locate in connection with my Griffins is Grady. Best of luck on your trip. I envy you! Mary

Thank you all so much for your wonderful advice. I really need it....time is getting short. Mary, My best info about my Griffin family is from John's US Citizenship papers where he stated that he is from the City of Cork. His parents are Cornelius Griffin and Ellen Sheehan. His wife (married in MA) is Catherine Coughlin whose brother stated on his citizenship papers that he is from Cork. They all arrived here in the 1840s... No Grady's yet, I'm afraid. Any of my names familiar to you??? Back to Tipperary/Waterford....We do have a weekend planned in Dublin at the end of our trip ..... I'll check to see if any of the research sites there are available on Saturday. Thank you for that suggestion. Vicki....have a wonderful trip and please let me know what you learned about traveling in Ireland. Are you driving???? I'll check the library again in Waterford. Part of my frustration is that folks in Waterford (at the library) say to go to Tipperary and Tipperary folks say to go to Waterford for the records.....I've had trouble finding the right library to work from and worry that time for both (especially if I start at the wrong one) will be limited. Had not even thought of the Hospital...are records available to the public there???? How do I approach that source??? I spoke to someone at St. Peter and Pauls this morning and hope to get some help from them....I'm going to try St. Marys (Catholic) as well.... Anyone have experience with these churches. The lady I spoke to was very nice.... Thank you all again....I'm keeping my fingers crossed and I will enjoy just being there and soaking up the sites. Can't wait to hear REAL Irish music in a REAL Irish pub..... Donna

Sorry to say I don't have it. I've been to Clonmel a few times and just asked someone where it was and went there. You might be able to Goggle it. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Hoar" <marymh@optonline.net> To: <irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Clonmel hospital? > Do you have an address for the Clonmel hospital? > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The (RC) Diocese of Waterford & Lismore includes the town of Clonmel. These records are held at the Waterford Heritage Center. The website is http://www.iol.ie/~mnoc/ I have not used their services since the Euro became the currency of the land, so I do not know the cost for record searches.

Do you have an address for the Clonmel hospital?

Hi, you might want to check the Hospital in Clonmel for death records. How expensive it is I don't remember. I got a some info there a few years ago. Bob Ryan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Donna and Mike Griffin" <griffin-m-d@webtv.net> To: <IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 9:25 AM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip > I'm so glad to find this list and to have a place to get some help with > my questions. > > I'm planning a trip to Ireland the first week of November and I am > trying to plan where to visit to do some research. You can tell I'm > from the US since I'm thinking I'll just show up at a > courthouse/library/archives and be allowed to have fun searching for my > families. > > I'm starting to realize that records are not available to the public. > > Here are my Tipperary (or is it Waterford) families... > > Which is it? That's my first question... > > Robert Cashin was baptized at St. Mary's Irishtown, Clonmel, Co. > Tipperary in 1833. I have this record. > > Robert (and two brothers that I know of, David and Edmond) are the sons > of James Cashin and Johanna Keating. > > There is a James Cashin on Griffith's in St. Mary's parish, Clonmel but > it is in Waterford. > > Robert Cashin married Ellen Fitzgerald at Ss Peter and Paul's, Clonmel, > Tipperary (per their marriage record) in 1856. Ellen is the daughter of > Daniel Fitzgerald and Bridget McGrath. > > Robert, Ellen, David and Edmond all arrived in the US in the late 1850s. > > I have FINALLY come to believe that while Clonmel is in fact in Co > Tipperary, the records are kept in Co. Waterford. Is that right??? > > I am also starting to realize that every question I ask at the research > center is going to cost me about 95 euro. Is that right???? > > I can't look at records myself, right??? > > Should I try the churches? Do I need to make an appointment? > > I'm really trying to do a good job planning this trip and sure could use > your help. > > Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge with me... > > Donna > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Donna, If I were you then I would go to Dublin and make use of the genealogy advisory service at the National Library (see http://www.nli.ie/new_what_res.htm) and also the one at the National Archives (http://www.nationalarchives.ie/genealogy/service.html). Take along everything that you have and make sure it is clearly laid out so they can give you advice on where you can go next. Your family obviously moved before civil registration began, but there may be brothes and sisters that remained in Ireland that would have died after 1865, so their deaths may have been registered. See http://www.groireland.ie/. With regards to parish records- the National Library has a copy of a microfilm of them, but you will not be allowed access to this. Most other parish records are available there. The originals may be in the custody of the parish priest and the Cashel and Emly website is vague about access to these. I just had a quick look at it and it says that "Not every parish can entertain enquiries about its records and will refer you to TFHR, where the records of all parishes of Cashel and Emly are indexed and available. Should the parish admit enquiry, ensure that you have all relevant details and existing variations of spellings." So maybe you will be lucky- perhaps someone who has tried this can confirm. I would certainly ask first, there's no harm in it. The Tipperary Family Research Centre is the place where they will do look ups for you. Personally I would go for single record searches there. For example the next thing you will want will be the marriage of James Cashin and Johanna Keating. So ask them to do a single record search for this first. Then you have only paid a small amount out and can decide where to go next yourself. Check how far back the registers go. There is no point in paying for a search if the parish registers for the parish you want don't survive early enough. So most of the resources will be in Dublin. There is also the Registry of Deeds, wills at the National Archives and family and estate collections at the National Library, among others. When I go to Ireland (I'm going on Tuesday), I tend to have a few days in Dublin doing research and then have a few more days in the place where my ancestors came from. You probably won't find much here but you can get photographs and a real feel for the place where they came from, which is as important as finding the records I think anyway, which often don't survive in Ireland. Vicki >From: griffin-m-d@webtv.net (Donna and Mike Griffin) >Reply-To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-TIPPERARY@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary families and trip >Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:25:23 -0500 > >I'm so glad to find this list and to have a place to get some help with >my questions. > >I'm planning a trip to Ireland the first week of November and I am >trying to plan where to visit to do some research. You can tell I'm >from the US since I'm thinking I'll just show up at a >courthouse/library/archives and be allowed to have fun searching for my >families. > >I'm starting to realize that records are not available to the public. > >Here are my Tipperary (or is it Waterford) families... > >Which is it? That's my first question... > >Robert Cashin was baptized at St. Mary's Irishtown, Clonmel, Co. >Tipperary in 1833. I have this record. > >Robert (and two brothers that I know of, David and Edmond) are the sons >of James Cashin and Johanna Keating. > >There is a James Cashin on Griffith's in St. Mary's parish, Clonmel but >it is in Waterford. > >Robert Cashin married Ellen Fitzgerald at Ss Peter and Paul's, Clonmel, >Tipperary (per their marriage record) in 1856. Ellen is the daughter of >Daniel Fitzgerald and Bridget McGrath. > >Robert, Ellen, David and Edmond all arrived in the US in the late 1850s. > >I have FINALLY come to believe that while Clonmel is in fact in Co >Tipperary, the records are kept in Co. Waterford. Is that right??? > >I am also starting to realize that every question I ask at the research >center is going to cost me about 95 euro. Is that right???? > >I can't look at records myself, right??? > >Should I try the churches? Do I need to make an appointment? > >I'm really trying to do a good job planning this trip and sure could use >your help. > >Thank you for sharing your experiences and knowledge with me... > >Donna > > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-TIPPERARY-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Donna, You might try www.waterfordcountylibrary.ie . This site has Griffith's Valuation/death register/directories etc. You may or may not find members of your family.

HI, Donna! Sorry I can't help you with your Ireland questions. I see by your email address that you probably have Griffin in your ancestry. I know that is a very common name in Ireland, but I have to grasp at any straw that comes along. Do you have any Gradys in your Griffin line?I have very little information to go on. I dont' even know if they came from Co. Tipperary. Thanks for any info. Mary