Good day listers Have just got around to logging on to this site re census, and am delighted to see that Waterford is not too far away. Thanks for this Christina, and also Pat Connors for this update. It is so hard to get anywhere with my Irish ancestors, so any info giving us hope is REALLY appreciated. Personally, and I am sure all listers on this site appreciate the time you guys spend in assisting us all. Regards from a beautiful Sunny Melbourne Marion Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Finn Hunt" <[email protected]> To: "LONGFORD-L" <[email protected]>; "IRL-TIPPERARY-L" <[email protected]>; "LIMERICK" <[email protected]>; "irish-mi-l" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 16, 2009 11:32 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Good news on census > For an encouraging update on getting the Irish census online see: > http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/about/futureplans.html > > Thanks to Pat Connors for this update. > > Regards, > Christina > > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.325 / Virus Database: 270.12.32/2117 - Release Date: 05/15/09 17:55:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 41 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

I have just added to the County Tipperary section of my website, the tithe applotments for Nenagh civil parish in the North Riding and for Neddans, Newcastle and Newchapel civil parishes in the South Riding. All originated in the 1820s. Please read the notes on each page because a couple of these were very difficult to read plus Newcastle had three books. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hello, Kathy, I am Australian by birth. I have never resided outside Australia. I have not been to the U.S.A. My father was not named Patrick. I confess to having during younger days been a fan of the American musical group Creedence Clearwater Revival. I soon became aware of the brothers Tom and John Fogerty. I will allow myself the liberty of relating an anecdote having not a great deal to do with genealogical matters. Last year I found myself standing at a supermarket checkout next to a man I did not know who was wearing a Creedence T-shirt referring to John Fogerty. I could not resist remarking to the stranger beside me that Creedence were a ripper of a band. I whipped out and flourished a laminated library card bearing my name from my shirt pocket and said I had John Fogerty`s surname with a different spelling. That aroused the following response from the sharp-witted stranger -- "So that`s why you can`t sing or play guitar?" He was so quick. He came straight in with a straight face. I was impressed. It seems to me that John Fogerty`s version of the family name occurs more in the U.S.A. than it does here. I have seldom encountered that form here except in documents compiled before the 1900s. My people were of the Templemore area. My Australian forebears came out at various times during the 1800s. I do not see any North American Fogarty however spelt whom I claim as one of us. There is just one North American-Australian family connection in the thinking I do about my family tree. I keep in mind ( reminds me of a 1968 Cowsills lyric ) the Maine man mentioned in something I posted on 19th May who is cited in Thomas Keneally`s book "The Great Shame" as a brother of the Western Australian Fenian convict Thomas Fogarty ( "Hougoumont" 1868 ). I do not claim Thomas Fogarty as one of my mob but he is a prime suspect. Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W. Australia

Hi all .. I am hanging on to every email regarding McGraths .. I am STILL trying to find out information on the McGrath family who arrived in Australia ... Michael McGrath arrived earlier .. and then his wife and children - Margaret McGrath and her children . .Mary 14, Hanora 13, Johanna 11, Bridget 9, Patrick6 and Catherine 4., arrived in Sydney, NSW, on the Duchess of Argyle in 1883. Documents say they were from Tipperary. Any info would be greatly appreciated :) cheers Maree Australia

Micheal, I have Heffernan's Tipperary closely related to O Dwyer Hennessy and Ryan. I have Gooley in Australia. Laraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael James" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 22, 2009 5:49 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] McGrath's - Gooley,Heffernan > I'm researching a John McGrath and Patrick McGrath circa 1820 of Cashel > near St. Patricksrock, Boherlahan, and Ballysheehan. Associated family > names Heffernan and Gooley. More specific locations of Synone, Camus, > Farranavarra, Ballinree and Thurlesbeg. I would like to be in contact with > anyone researching in these areas. Thanks, Michael. > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I'm researching a John McGrath and Patrick McGrath circa 1820 of Cashel near St. Patricksrock, Boherlahan, and Ballysheehan. Associated family names Heffernan and Gooley. More specific locations of Synone, Camus, Farranavarra, Ballinree and Thurlesbeg. I would like to be in contact with anyone researching in these areas. Thanks, Michael.

Andrew -- Australia is pretty far from Brooklyn! My mother's aunt (Eliza Mullally) had married a Patrick Fogarty and helped him raise his 2 sons. She never had any children of her own. I never followed up on the Fogarty line as there was no blood-line connection, but I remembered there was an Andrew ... and wondered. As far as the Finian connections go, Eliza had a brother - Thomas Mullally - who was the flag bearer for the C. J. Kickham Band. Her grandfather, Thomas Hackett delivered guns for Smith O'Brien or so the book, History of O'Mullally & Lally Clann, states. Another Mullally ancestor did go to Australia - he owned Mullally's Hotel in Blayney so perhaps some of your neighbors are my distant cousins. Well, thanks for replying and good luck in your search! Kathy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Andrew Fogarty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 21, 2009 8:18 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] In response to Kathy > Hello, Kathy, > I am Australian by birth. I have never resided outside Australia. I have > not been to the U.S.A. My father was not named Patrick. I confess to > having during younger days been a fan of the American musical group > Creedence Clearwater Revival. I soon became aware of the brothers Tom and > John Fogerty. > I will allow myself the liberty of relating an anecdote having not a great > deal to do with genealogical matters. Last year I found myself standing > at a supermarket checkout next to a man I did not know who was wearing a > Creedence T-shirt referring to John Fogerty. I could not resist re! > marking to the stranger beside me that Creedence were a ripper of a band. > I whipped out and flourished a laminated library card bearing my name from > my shirt pocket and said I had John Fogerty`s surname with a different > spelling. That aroused the following response from the sharp-witted > stranger -- "So that`s why you can`t sing or play guitar?" He was so > quick. He came straight in with a straight face. I was impressed. > It seems to me that John Fogerty`s version of the family name occurs more > in the U.S.A. than it does here. I have seldom encountered that form here > except in documents compiled before the 1900s. My people were of the > Templemore area. My Australian forebears came out at various times during > the 1800s. I do not see any North American Fogarty however spelt whom I ! > claim as one of us. > > There is just one North American-Australian family connection in the > thinking I do about my family tree. I keep in mind ( reminds me of a 1968 > Cowsills lyric ) the Maine man mentioned in something I posted on 19th May > who is cited in Thomas Keneally`s book "The Great Shame" as a brother of > the Western Australian Fenian convict Thomas Fogarty ( "Hougoumont" > 1868 ). I do not claim Thomas Fogarty as one of my mob but he is a prime > suspect. > Regards, > ! > Andrew Fogarty > Casino N.S.W. Australia > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bill, I note your advice posted this morning. I was wrong in my identification yesterday of a convict transported in 1816 on the ship "Surrey". I wrongly said John Ryan. The convict in question was Edward Ryan, commonly known as Ned. Andrew Fogarty

I think the letters after Father Max Barrett`s name should have been C.Ss.R. I had that impression of the author`s title in the past but failed to catch on when drawing up what I said to Bill. Regards, Andrew Fogarty

Hello, Bill, I have given thought to the situation presented by what has been said culminating in your posting addressed to me yesterday. That was your fifth posting at the list in two days but the first expressly addressed to me, your opening posting apparently being prompted by my first approach to the list. Your second posting was in response to what I had said. You attached my first message. Taking account of your advice that your great-great-great-grandfather Maher was christened at Ballybristy in 1811, that a female Fogarty was present at the christening and that your forebear then christened married an Ann or Anne Fogarty born in 1816, I find myself unable to offer anything clearly bearing on the questions confronting us. I will submit some information which perhaps will contain something connecting with matters or material involved in someone`s thinking. It seems likely to me that the Fogarty witness at the 1866 Kennedy-Connolly marriage in Melbourne mentioned two days ago by Maree of Hobart had come to Sydney from Ireland in December in 1839 by the ship "China" or was a son of someone who had done so. I have seen the register entry to which Maree was referring. The first name of the Fogarty witness is not easy to make out. I think it was probably Thomas. Quite a few Fogartys came out as free settlers on the "China" voyage I have in mind. Some of them are seen to have ended up in Melbourne. The "China" complement of passengers included various Fogartys from Killenaule in County Tipperary. Killenaule seems to have been about 20 miles by road south-east of Thurles. I will mention some Maher and Stapleton connections which have been reported to me in an unverified way in a family of Templemore Fogartys who came to Sydney as assisted immigrants in 1852 by the ship "Agincourt" and settled in the Nundle area of New South Wales. The "Agincourt" Fogartys were headed by an Andrew who I very much suspect was a brother of my great-great-grandfather John. Andrew Fogarty was married to one Margaret Woodlock whose parents appear to have been John Woodlock and Johanna Carroll of Loughmore. It is said in unverified material I have from a research colleague that Margaret Woodlock was christened at Loughmore on 17th September, 1808 with Thomas Stapleton and Johanna Peters as sponsors. Andrew and Margaret Fogarty had a son named James who is said in the same material to have been christened at Templemore in 1843 with Patrick Maher and Ellen Carroll as sponsors. It appears that the parents were residing at Oldtown, Templemore. Also on the "Agincourt" in 1852, it seems there were a Michael Fogarty and his wife Honora. The material relied on for present purposes says Michael`s parents were Patrick and Mary and Honora`s parents were Patrick Howard and Honora Maher. It is said that Michael and Honora were married at Thurles in 1846. It appears that someone examined a microfilm copy of the register entry at the National Library in Dublin. It is said that Michael seems to been born in about 1824-26. Names and dates of birth in 1821 and 1822 are given for two people said to have been brothers of Honora. It is said that Honora was born at Thurles. Years of birth ranging from 1819 to 1827 are offered It seems that Michael and Honora became residents of Chippendale in Sydney and that there was no child of the marriage. My first name did not come from any tradition. It came from the fact that my parents had a friend whose surname was Macandrew. I have a search report I obtained from Ireland detailing church register entries for christenings in my Fogarty-Brophy family in the 1830s and 1840s and citing some Fogarty and Brophy christening entries of an earlier era. The details are from the registers for Templemore church parish and include mention in 1810 of an Andrew of William Brophy of Templemore, comber, and Bridget Egan with sponsors Richard Connell and Judith Maher. At 1813 I see mention of a Bridget of John Fogarty and Sarah Kennedy of Killavinogue with sponsors John and Mary Meagher. There is mention in 1814 of a John of William Brophy and Bridget Egan of Templemore with sponsors Daniel Maher and Bridget Ryan. I will now have a go at squeezing something out of your O`Dwyer and Purcell leads. One of the "China" Fogartys was married to a Catherine Dwyer. Those people went to Melbourne. The report from Ireland cites the register entry for the christening in 1813 of an Ellen of Thomas Fogarty of Forrest, farmer, and Margaret Meehan with sponsors John Purcil and Ellen Ryan. I have looked at a book by Father Max Barrett, C.ss.R., entitled "King of Galong Castle", which says a lot of Dwyers settled in the Boorowa area of southern New South Wales following the transportation on the "Surrey" in 1816 of 13 men convicted by special commission at Clonmel in relation to a riotous incident known as the barracks of Ballagh affair. It seems that Ballagh was about seven or eight miles north-west of Cashel. The book -- mainly concerned with one John Ryan convicted of involvement in the Ballagh incident -- said his group of 13 on the "Surrey" included a Denis and a John Dwyer. What I have said about the "China" Fogartys is based on my own examination of original records. Andrew Fogarty and Margaret Woodlock had a son named Andrew who is said in the unverified material to have been christened at Templemore in 1848 with Martin and Winnifred Dwyer as sponsors. I will finish with some reference to a Maher link asserted in that material which involves someone I feel fairly sure belonged to my Fogarty family. My work with original records has shown that an Ann Fogarty of Templemore became Mrs Carden and went on to be a resident of Ballarat in Victoria. It seems very likely that Ann Fogarty/Carden was a sister of my great-great-grandfather John and Andrew of Nundle. The report I obtained from Ireland notes the christening in 1812 of a Catherine who appears to have been a sister of Ann Fogarty/Carden. The work from the research colleague says Catherine Fogarty was Mrs Maher before marriying a Mr Greed in 1837 and that she settled in Victoria. Regards, Andrew Fogarty

Fergus Thank you - great suggestion. I do have my McGraths in Bytown (Ottawa) in 1851 but it's possible they didn't come directly after arriving in 1847. Ann

The Ask About Ireland have started to put digital books on-line. Two for Tipperary are the "Hearth Money Rolls" for 1665-1667, and the "Civil Survey". 1654-1656. There is one for Fethard as well but its not uploaded yet. Also saw one for Donegal "Register of Deeds". There are a few books for each County-more to come. Mary

In response to Jan Kenney Fortado -- I have no indication of a Spillane connection in my family. My Fogartys lived in and around Templemore. My great-grandfather John Fogarty who married Margaret Kennedy was christened in 1831. He was a son of John Fogarty and Margaret Brophy. I very much suspect he was a grandson of John Fogarty and Mary Morrissey. It appears that my great-grandmother`s parents were Roger Kennedy and Ellen Fogarty, farming at Cloncannon in 1870 at the time of the Fogarty-Kennedy marriage.. In 1977 there was a Mrs Nora McGrath at Killea whose maiden name was Fogarty. Mrs McGrath was a retired schoolteacher. It appears she was born in about 1890. Mrs McGrath reported in 1977 -- "There were Fogartys at Ballaheen before Carden`s day and one family remained as herds for Carden up to my young days .... " Mrs McGrath said there were Ryan and Coffey families in her maternal ancestry. She said she had known only some aunts on her father`s side, "as the boys had to leave the country after the Fenian rising". Official records show that a Thomas Fogarty aged 21 in 1867 was sentenced that year at the Clonmel assizes in County Tipperary to five years` transportation for treason and came to Western Australia in 1868 by the ship "Hougoumont". A lot of Fenians came out on that voyage. Thomas Keneally`s book "The Great Shame" is considerably concerned with the "Hougoumont" convicts. The book identifies Thomas Fogarty as a Fenian and says he had a brother at Portland in Maine, U.S.A. Official records state that Thomas Fogarty departed from Western Australia in 1869 on a ship bound for Sydney shortly after being pardoned. I have a theory that he settled in Melbourne. Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W. Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kenney Fortado" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 11:12 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Andrew Fogarty's information on the list > I was wondering if you ever had any Spillanes in your family. My Spillanes > were originally (most likely) from this area. They had Leamys for sponsors > and one Spillane married a Fogarty. > > Jan > > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Thank you to all who gave me some good suggestions as starting points for finding my McGrath line. If I do find them I'll post the information which might - hopefully - be helpful to someone else. Ann

Ann Burns; I would suggest that you check out our web site at www.stcolumban-irish.com . This site is dedicated to our Irish ancestors that arrived in Montreal, Quebec, Canada around 1830 and settled in St. Columban, Quebec - about 40 miles north west of the city - this village was almost an exclusive Irish Catholic community in the 1800's.. You will find a large number of both McGraths and Mahers in the church & census records on our site. My best guess is that my own great great grandfather Patrick Keyes (Keys) also came from Clough in Kilkenny (as a point of interest, on my recent visit to Ireland, the residents pronnounced the name as the village as "Clock"). And most of the early settlers seem to have come from Kilkenny and Tipperary. Many of these people stayed in St. Columban for a generation, and then moved west, including to Ottawa, or to the U.S. and a number of the settlers were also involved in the quarry business. So perhaps your McGrath / Maher ancestors spent some time in St. Columban before arriving in Ottawa. Take Care Fergus Keyes ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ann Burns" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2009 4:26 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] McGrath-Maher connections > Hello listers > > This is a shot in the dark. I'm hoping someone may direct me where to > begin to look for the marriage of William McGrath and Mary Maher probably > a few years before 1822. Their son Michael was my great-great grandfather > who emigrated in 1847 and settled in Bytown, now Ottawa, Canada. Michael > was born circa 1822 and died in 1901 in Ottawa. He was a labourer and > worked in a quarry once in Canada. I have no further information on this > family in Ireland. I am not certain that they are from Tipperary but have > been advised it is possible given the surnames. > Michael married Catherine Brennan, from Clogh in Co. Kilkenny, in Ottawa > in 1854. Their marriage certificate gives his parents names as above but > no other details. > > Ann Burns > Ottawa, Canada > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Ann In reply to your question, I have McGrath in my tree, from Castletownarra TIP, the connection may be when you mentioned that your Michael had worked in a quarry. My Seymour family who married into the McGrath family, were quarrymen, some were from Curragh. My McGrath line starts with Lott McGrath & Panilope Dwyer, known children Patrick bc 1791 m. Catherine Irwin and came to Sydney Australia in 1944 and Bridget bc 1812 who m. Michael Seymour three of their children came to Sydney from 1850 onwards. Maggie Heffernan in Port Macquarie NSW Australia Hello listers This is a shot in the dark. I'm hoping someone may direct me where to begin to look for the marriage of William McGrath and Mary Maher probably a few years before 1822. Their son Michael was my great-great grandfather who emigrated in 1847 and settled in Bytown, now Ottawa, Canada. Michael was born circa 1822 and died in 1901 in Ottawa. He was a labourer and worked in a quarry once in Canada. I have no further information on this family in Ireland. I am not certain that they are from Tipperary but have been advised it is possible given the surnames. Michael married Catherine Brennan, from Clogh in Co. Kilkenny, in Ottawa in 1854. Their marriage certificate gives his parents names as above but no other details. Ann Burns Ottawa, Canada

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Please ignore my question regarding the closure of the centre. I have managed to telephone the centre this morning and they have had staffing problems. Cherie -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cherie Everett Sent: 18 May 2009 08:54 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-TIP] Tipperary Family History Research Does anyone know if the Tipperary Family Research Centre is closed please? About two weeks ago I commissioned a search and am waiting for contact; although I have not yet paid I have also sent three e-mails which remain unanswered or acknowledged. Am I using the wrong forms, website etc.? Cheers Cherie _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have Fogarty's on a marriage cert I have from Melbourne as witnesses .. Roger Kennedy and Ellen Connolly .. both from Tipperary .. marrying in Melbourne in 1866. Maree Hobart ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Maher To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, May 18, 2009 9:08 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Family Connections,Kinnally,Maher's,Stapletons. Hello- Someone makes mention of Fogartys here too. I'm in. Glad to see this. Bill > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 17 May 2009 20:28:41 +1000 > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Family Connections,Kinnally,Maher's,Stapletons. > > Hello all relatives of the above families. Any remote relationship to > them. Do you know them,say hello we would love to be in touch, so we may > fill in some gaps in the tree. > Has it been especially quiet lately on the list. > Can anyone tell me if the killea ,Cemetery has been Reserched and > documented. > Cheers Val > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail® has a new way to see what's up with your friends. http://windowslive.com/Tutorial/Hotmail/WhatsNew?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Tutorial_WhatsNew1_052009 _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message