Looking for any information or places where I could look for it on a Mary Forrester, born 1915, place unknown. Placed in an orphanage in Cashel when 3 years old. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Geraldine

Nenagh Guardian. 26th April 1886. On Saturday afternoon, Mr. Michael Gleeson, Coroner, held an inquest at Ballyhasty, Modreeny, on the body of William Tone, who died of apoplexy on Friday night. The following jury were sworn. Messrs Stephen Maher (Foreman), James Kennedy, Philip O'Reilly, Cornelius Condon, Frederick Hodgins, Richard Elliott, John Brooder, John Bowe, Arthur O'Keeffe, William Shoebottom, John O'Callaghan and John McLoughlin. Deceased was about 50 years of age and was married, his wife was Sarah Tone. He was a rural postman and army pensioner. The jury returned a verdict in accordance with the medical evidence, and returned a rider recommending the unfortunate widow of the deceased to the favourable consideration of the War Office in consequence of the long and severe service of the deceased to the Crimean war. We hear that boycotting is in full swing in Moneygall. An ex-Sergeant of the Police named Carney has come under the ban of the local branch of the National League. His crime is that he took a garden from which a practitioner of the pay no rent principle was evicted. On Monday last an ex-Policeman named Lee, who is also a bailiff, had to withdraw his ass from Carney, and would not allow a row of manure which the donkey was drawing out to be finished. At a meeting of the Roscrea Board of Guardians, it was ordered that the inmates of the Workhouse be given a meat dinner on Easter Sunday, and that they each get an egg for breakfast that day. Fifteen shillings was allowed for clothes to be purchased for James Clark and his family who were going out of the house. 27th April 1874. At Nenagh Petty Sessions, Sub-Constable John Bolger had Jeremiah Dooley summoned for ball playing in Pound Street at four O'Clock on Sunday evening. Defendant swore that he was eating his dinner at the time mentioned. The Sub-Constable swore that he had no doubt about the identity of the defendant. Defendant---I don't care if all the devils in hell swore I was there, I'm sure myself that I wasn't. On the evidence of the defendant's father, the case was dismissed. Died on April 25th at Kylisk, Ballymackey, Helen, the beloved wife of Mr. David Cross, at the early age of 35 years. Dan Brien and Michael Doolan, two small urchins from the Commonage, near Nenagh, were summoned for throwing stones at the Limerick train, as it was coming into Nenagh. The Chairman at the Nenagh Petty sessions thought that it was unpleasant to send such small boys to gaol. Mr. Finch was for sending the young urchins to gaol for a month. The persons to whom the offending children belonged having promised that the like would not happen again, and that the urchins would be soundly whipped, the case was dismissed. The marriage has taken place at Hamilton, New Zealand, of C. Chitty, Deal House, Kent, England and Alicia, eldest daughter of Matthew De Vere Hunt, Esq., late of Huntsgrove, Templederry. 30th April 1877. At Nenagh Petty Sessions, warrants were issued against William Molamphy Sen., William Jnr., and Mary, for rescuing an ass from John Baker who had it seized under a warrant of Civil Bill Decree. At Newport Petty Sessions John Hassett summoned John Fitzgerald for trespassing in pursuit of game with two greyhounds on Gurtshane, the property of Lord Bloomfield. Mr Sheppard appeared for the prosecution. The evidence and defence having been heard, their Worships fined the defendant £3. The reason the fine was doubled was on account of the defendant having two greyhounds. Married on the 24th April, Mr. James Robertson, second son of Mr. Patrick Robertson, Kilkee, to Marion, second daughter of Mr. John McLoughlin, Cloughjordan. 30th April 1894. Married today at the Catholic Church of this town, by the Rev. P. O'Meara, C.C., John, eldest son of the late Mr. Edward Pyne, T.C., to Ellen, youngest daughter of Patrick Flynn, both of Queen Street, Nenagh. At Mount St. Joseph, Roscrea, on Tuesday last, the 24th inst, by the Rev. Patrick Benedict, assisted by the Rev. Fr. Justin, John P. Smyth, Merchant, to Nannie, second daughter of Mr. James Conway, both of Birr. Died on April 24th at Cloughjordan, Jane, widow of the late Robert Williams, Rockpark, in the 85th year of her age. 11th June 1877. On Friday last there died in Thurles and old man named Thomas Cormack, whose age was stated to be 103 years old. There can be no exaggeration as to his age, as he had a son aged over 75 years and had great-grandchildren grown up. Deceased who was a tailor preserved his faculties to the last. Deaths. At the residence of his sister Rodeen House, Borrisokane, after a short but severe illness, Martin P. O'Brien of Castle Street, Roscrea, aged 30 years. At Castle Street, Nenagh, on the 8th June, Mr. John McNamara aged 35 years. Births. June 3rd at Cranna House, Nenagh, to the wife of John Charles Going, Esq., a daughter. May 31st at Cooleeny House, Temple more, to the wife of Wm. Alfred Headech, a daughter. The widow of James Young of Rusheen, begs to acknowledge her thanks to Rear Admiral Otway for allowing her a half year's rent on the death of her husband. A woman who was fined 10/., and costs at the Nenagh Petty Sessions for being drunk, was ordered to pay 3/., extra to repair the Nenagh lock up which she smashed in her tantrums.

From the IRL-Limerick list: http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ | Donegal, Cork, Galway, Wexford and King's County (Offaly) are now | available on the site. www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search/ | Enjoy!

Chris, The Nenagh Guardian covers North Tipperary mostly, an odd time there would be something from down South. Deaths, births and marriages mostly from Land Owners, Merchants, etc. Still have load of them to post when I get time. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "fabiochris" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2009 11:47 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Nenagh Guardian. Thank you again for these snippets of events in Tipperary in the 1880's. I always scan them in the hope also of seeing a family name mentioned ;-). And the words/phrases used then like "dilapidated character" often give me a chuckle then some other item like the 12 year old boy who died from whiskey poisoning jolt me in the other direction and so it goes on. Does the Nenagh Guardian also cover events in the Ballingarry area and are the births and deaths mentioned taken from all levels of society or more from the land owners, merchants and the like? Chris in NZ Families: Kelly and Corcoran in the Ballingarry area of Co. Tipperary. Nolan and Walsh Listowel,Co Kerry, Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <[email protected]> To: "Tipperary IRL" <[email protected]>; "Tipperary" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:57 AM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Nenagh Guardian. Nenagh Guardian. 8th June 1874. Died on the 6th June, at the Silvermines, Nenagh in the 22nd year of her age, Margaret, second daughter of Mr. Joseph Ryan. Died at Killaloe, Elizabeth, second beloved daughter of William and Elizabeth Hill, aged 19 years. 8th June 1885. James Parsons, a dilapidated character from Roscrea, was at Nenagh Quarter Sessions sentenced to four month's imprisonment with hard labour, for striving on the 9th April to pass off a counterfeit coin, representing a shilling, on Mr. John Gilmartin, Roscrea. This was the second attempt of this kind by the prisoner. The Lord Lieutenant notifies in the Dublin Gazette his intention to appoint a qualified person to investigate the claims of James McDonnell, of Dunkerrin, for compensation under the Crimes Act, for personal injuries sustained by him on the night of March 29th last. Johanna Toohy, one of the tinker tribe was arrested on Saturday night by Constable Murray, Toomevara, for stealing a purse containing a half sovereign and some silver from Miss Kennedy, Bunacum. Died on the 30th May, at Temple Park, Cloughjordan, Mary, relic of the late Francis Kent, Esq., at the patriarchal age of 92 years. Her faculties were unimpaired to the last. Died June 3rd, at Kilcreanon, Roscrea, Alice, wife of John Roe, and daughter of the late John Shortt, of Pallas, Tipperary. 9th June 1873. Deaths. At Behamore, Cloughjordan, in the 20th year of his age, Mr. Patrick Quinlisk. At Shinrone, at an advanced age, the widow of Sub. Inspector Butler. At Ballyhane, Templederry, Mr. Patrick Coughlan. At the residence of his brother at Castle Street, Nenagh, Mr. Daniel Guilfoyle, late of Roscrea. The "Grass of a Goose" is not an unfrequent demise in Kerry. The Chairman of the Tralee Sessions on Wednesday, gave a decree for 30/., against a farmer landlord to his tenant, for breach of contract on a demise of a house, garden and grass of a goose. On Thursday evening, about 5 o'clock p.m. Thomas Hogan, servant to a Mr. Francis Guinan, farmer, Redwood, in the Parish of Lorrha, died very suddenly, while engaged cleaning a turf bank. The deceased who was a strong healthy man, was 35 years of age, and was never known to be sick in his life. On the afternoon of Thursday the bodies of Patrick Quinn and Patrick Ryan, who were drowned in Lough Derg on Sunday, were found at the Connacht side of the lake, between White-Gate and Mount Shannon, about a mile and a half from where their boat capsized. An inquest was held today before Mr. Meagher, Coroner, when a verdict of accidental drowning was returned. On the afternoon of Wednesday, Michael Meagher, esq., coroner, held an inquest at Annagh about 8 miles from Nenagh, on view of the body of a boy named Michl. Starr, about 12 years of age, who came to his death in consequence of drinking an excess of whiskey. A funeral happened to be in the neighbourhood at which the barbarous hospitality of handing around whiskey was the order of the day. The deceased was the son of a poor widow who lived in the neighbourhood. At Borrisoleigh Petty Sessions, in the case of John Cormack, against the Widow Kennedy for trespass of geese and goslings on the lands of Graneira, there was a fine of 6d and costs, by two of the magistrates on the bench. 10th June 1872. One of the cases heard today at Nenagh Quarter Sessions was a process to recover compensation for the keep of an ass. The defendant, John Quin, lent the ass to the plaintiff, Daniel Dunn, and took no further trouble, leaving the donkey there a length of time. It was for this maintenance that the case was instituted. His Worship, dismissing the case said that he was at a loss to know why the plaintiff, after borrowing the donkey, didn't send it back after borrowing it. Births. To the wife of Mr. Francis J. Byron, Gaswork's Manager, Nenagh, a son. At Crossogue, Thurles, to the wife of Charles B. Prior, Esq. J.P. a son. The Nenagh Board of Guardians have allowed £8.10.0., to provide clothes and pay expenses to Queenstown to a woman named Armstrong and her four children, chargeable to the Nenagh Division, her husband having paid their passage to New York. 10th June 1878. The Commandant of Depot, Phoenix Park, Dublin, has called on W.T.Gunn, Esq., County Inspector, Tipperary (NR) to supply to the Reserve Force, six well developed policemen of experience and none of them to be under 6 feet. These men were ordered to proceed to Dunmore forthwith. Certainly notable specimens of Irishmen they were, as all the NR policemen are. Their names are as follows--- Thomas Christopher, Portland. John Foster, Gooldings Cross, Templemore. George Franklin, Pike. John Henry, Roscrea. Michael McKiernan, Templederry. Michael Egan, Ballymackey. Died at the residence of his brother-in-law, Daisy Hill, Banbridge, James Kingsley, Esq., Knigh Cottage, Nenagh. He was deservedly loved and respected by rich and poor. The remains will arrive from Banbridge at Nenagh by the 5'30 train, when they will be removed to the family burial place at Knigh. Marriage. At Kilbarron Chapel, by the Rev. G. Corbett, P.P., assisted by the Rev. P. Bray. P.P. Arles, and Rev. 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Thank you again for these snippets of events in Tipperary in the 1880's. I always scan them in the hope also of seeing a family name mentioned ;-). And the words/phrases used then like "dilapidated character" often give me a chuckle then some other item like the 12 year old boy who died from whiskey poisoning jolt me in the other direction and so it goes on. Does the Nenagh Guardian also cover events in the Ballingarry area and are the births and deaths mentioned taken from all levels of society or more from the land owners, merchants and the like? Chris in NZ Families: Kelly and Corcoran in the Ballingarry area of Co. Tipperary. Nolan and Walsh Listowel,Co Kerry, Ireland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <[email protected]> To: "Tipperary IRL" <[email protected]>; "Tipperary" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 5:57 AM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Nenagh Guardian. Nenagh Guardian. 8th June 1874. Died on the 6th June, at the Silvermines, Nenagh in the 22nd year of her age, Margaret, second daughter of Mr. Joseph Ryan. Died at Killaloe, Elizabeth, second beloved daughter of William and Elizabeth Hill, aged 19 years. 8th June 1885. James Parsons, a dilapidated character from Roscrea, was at Nenagh Quarter Sessions sentenced to four month's imprisonment with hard labour, for striving on the 9th April to pass off a counterfeit coin, representing a shilling, on Mr. John Gilmartin, Roscrea. This was the second attempt of this kind by the prisoner. The Lord Lieutenant notifies in the Dublin Gazette his intention to appoint a qualified person to investigate the claims of James McDonnell, of Dunkerrin, for compensation under the Crimes Act, for personal injuries sustained by him on the night of March 29th last. Johanna Toohy, one of the tinker tribe was arrested on Saturday night by Constable Murray, Toomevara, for stealing a purse containing a half sovereign and some silver from Miss Kennedy, Bunacum. Died on the 30th May, at Temple Park, Cloughjordan, Mary, relic of the late Francis Kent, Esq., at the patriarchal age of 92 years. Her faculties were unimpaired to the last. Died June 3rd, at Kilcreanon, Roscrea, Alice, wife of John Roe, and daughter of the late John Shortt, of Pallas, Tipperary. 9th June 1873. Deaths. At Behamore, Cloughjordan, in the 20th year of his age, Mr. Patrick Quinlisk. At Shinrone, at an advanced age, the widow of Sub. Inspector Butler. At Ballyhane, Templederry, Mr. Patrick Coughlan. At the residence of his brother at Castle Street, Nenagh, Mr. Daniel Guilfoyle, late of Roscrea. The "Grass of a Goose" is not an unfrequent demise in Kerry. The Chairman of the Tralee Sessions on Wednesday, gave a decree for 30/., against a farmer landlord to his tenant, for breach of contract on a demise of a house, garden and grass of a goose. On Thursday evening, about 5 o'clock p.m. Thomas Hogan, servant to a Mr. Francis Guinan, farmer, Redwood, in the Parish of Lorrha, died very suddenly, while engaged cleaning a turf bank. The deceased who was a strong healthy man, was 35 years of age, and was never known to be sick in his life. On the afternoon of Thursday the bodies of Patrick Quinn and Patrick Ryan, who were drowned in Lough Derg on Sunday, were found at the Connacht side of the lake, between White-Gate and Mount Shannon, about a mile and a half from where their boat capsized. An inquest was held today before Mr. Meagher, Coroner, when a verdict of accidental drowning was returned. On the afternoon of Wednesday, Michael Meagher, esq., coroner, held an inquest at Annagh about 8 miles from Nenagh, on view of the body of a boy named Michl. Starr, about 12 years of age, who came to his death in consequence of drinking an excess of whiskey. A funeral happened to be in the neighbourhood at which the barbarous hospitality of handing around whiskey was the order of the day. The deceased was the son of a poor widow who lived in the neighbourhood. At Borrisoleigh Petty Sessions, in the case of John Cormack, against the Widow Kennedy for trespass of geese and goslings on the lands of Graneira, there was a fine of 6d and costs, by two of the magistrates on the bench. 10th June 1872. One of the cases heard today at Nenagh Quarter Sessions was a process to recover compensation for the keep of an ass. The defendant, John Quin, lent the ass to the plaintiff, Daniel Dunn, and took no further trouble, leaving the donkey there a length of time. It was for this maintenance that the case was instituted. His Worship, dismissing the case said that he was at a loss to know why the plaintiff, after borrowing the donkey, didn't send it back after borrowing it. Births. To the wife of Mr. Francis J. Byron, Gaswork's Manager, Nenagh, a son. At Crossogue, Thurles, to the wife of Charles B. Prior, Esq. J.P. a son. The Nenagh Board of Guardians have allowed £8.10.0., to provide clothes and pay expenses to Queenstown to a woman named Armstrong and her four children, chargeable to the Nenagh Division, her husband having paid their passage to New York. 10th June 1878. The Commandant of Depot, Phoenix Park, Dublin, has called on W.T.Gunn, Esq., County Inspector, Tipperary (NR) to supply to the Reserve Force, six well developed policemen of experience and none of them to be under 6 feet. These men were ordered to proceed to Dunmore forthwith. Certainly notable specimens of Irishmen they were, as all the NR policemen are. Their names are as follows--- Thomas Christopher, Portland. John Foster, Gooldings Cross, Templemore. George Franklin, Pike. John Henry, Roscrea. Michael McKiernan, Templederry. Michael Egan, Ballymackey. Died at the residence of his brother-in-law, Daisy Hill, Banbridge, James Kingsley, Esq., Knigh Cottage, Nenagh. He was deservedly loved and respected by rich and poor. The remains will arrive from Banbridge at Nenagh by the 5'30 train, when they will be removed to the family burial place at Knigh. Marriage. At Kilbarron Chapel, by the Rev. G. Corbett, P.P., assisted by the Rev. P. Bray. P.P. Arles, and Rev. John Howard, C.C., Thomas, son of Peter McLoughlin, Queen's County, to Marianne, youngest daughter of the late Martin O'Brien, Esq., Roscrea. _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.238 / Virus Database: 270.12.36/2126 - Release Date: 05/21/09 06:22:00

Peter Langley sent a few headstones from Moyglass. O'CONNORS and REIDY with a couple of maiden names. If you have any to build on to a cemetery we can just add them in. New cemeteries are welcome of course. Enjoy! http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/tombstones/markers.htm Christina [email protected]

I too scan these items of Murder --Robbery and babies being born and I think to myself , I now know why people left Ireland and came to Australia and the USA , but I stop and think Australian papers today only print the same items and TV do the same , so journalists and papers have not changed . They tried to run a good news TV program but failed because no one watched it . The top 20 TV programs here are Murder--Drugs -- Crime and Football . Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: fabiochris To: [email protected] Sent: Friday, May 29, 2009 8:47 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Nenagh Guardian. Thank you again for these snippets of events in Tipperary in the 1880's. I always scan them in the hope also of seeing a family name mentioned ;-). And the words/phrases used then like "dilapidated character" often give me a chuckle then some other item like the 12 year old boy who died from whiskey poisoning jolt me in the other direction and so it goes on. Does the Nenagh Guardian also cover events in the Ballingarry area and are the births and deaths mentioned taken from all levels of society or more from the land owners, merchants and the like?

My first message yesterday should have had Barrey instead of Barry as a suggested reading of a surname in a register entry. Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W. Australia

Please note my change of IP address and username from Saturday 30 May [email protected] Barbara Lughermo

Nenagh Guardian. 8th June 1874. Died on the 6th June, at the Silvermines, Nenagh in the 22nd year of her age, Margaret, second daughter of Mr. Joseph Ryan. Died at Killaloe, Elizabeth, second beloved daughter of William and Elizabeth Hill, aged 19 years. 8th June 1885. James Parsons, a dilapidated character from Roscrea, was at Nenagh Quarter Sessions sentenced to four month's imprisonment with hard labour, for striving on the 9th April to pass off a counterfeit coin, representing a shilling, on Mr. John Gilmartin, Roscrea. This was the second attempt of this kind by the prisoner. The Lord Lieutenant notifies in the Dublin Gazette his intention to appoint a qualified person to investigate the claims of James McDonnell, of Dunkerrin, for compensation under the Crimes Act, for personal injuries sustained by him on the night of March 29th last. Johanna Toohy, one of the tinker tribe was arrested on Saturday night by Constable Murray, Toomevara, for stealing a purse containing a half sovereign and some silver from Miss Kennedy, Bunacum. Died on the 30th May, at Temple Park, Cloughjordan, Mary, relic of the late Francis Kent, Esq., at the patriarchal age of 92 years. Her faculties were unimpaired to the last. Died June 3rd, at Kilcreanon, Roscrea, Alice, wife of John Roe, and daughter of the late John Shortt, of Pallas, Tipperary. 9th June 1873. Deaths. At Behamore, Cloughjordan, in the 20th year of his age, Mr. Patrick Quinlisk. At Shinrone, at an advanced age, the widow of Sub. Inspector Butler. At Ballyhane, Templederry, Mr. Patrick Coughlan. At the residence of his brother at Castle Street, Nenagh, Mr. Daniel Guilfoyle, late of Roscrea. The "Grass of a Goose" is not an unfrequent demise in Kerry. The Chairman of the Tralee Sessions on Wednesday, gave a decree for 30/., against a farmer landlord to his tenant, for breach of contract on a demise of a house, garden and grass of a goose. On Thursday evening, about 5 o'clock p.m. Thomas Hogan, servant to a Mr. Francis Guinan, farmer, Redwood, in the Parish of Lorrha, died very suddenly, while engaged cleaning a turf bank. The deceased who was a strong healthy man, was 35 years of age, and was never known to be sick in his life. On the afternoon of Thursday the bodies of Patrick Quinn and Patrick Ryan, who were drowned in Lough Derg on Sunday, were found at the Connacht side of the lake, between White-Gate and Mount Shannon, about a mile and a half from where their boat capsized. An inquest was held today before Mr. Meagher, Coroner, when a verdict of accidental drowning was returned. On the afternoon of Wednesday, Michael Meagher, esq., coroner, held an inquest at Annagh about 8 miles from Nenagh, on view of the body of a boy named Michl. Starr, about 12 years of age, who came to his death in consequence of drinking an excess of whiskey. A funeral happened to be in the neighbourhood at which the barbarous hospitality of handing around whiskey was the order of the day. The deceased was the son of a poor widow who lived in the neighbourhood. At Borrisoleigh Petty Sessions, in the case of John Cormack, against the Widow Kennedy for trespass of geese and goslings on the lands of Graneira, there was a fine of 6d and costs, by two of the magistrates on the bench. 10th June 1872. One of the cases heard today at Nenagh Quarter Sessions was a process to recover compensation for the keep of an ass. The defendant, John Quin, lent the ass to the plaintiff, Daniel Dunn, and took no further trouble, leaving the donkey there a length of time. It was for this maintenance that the case was instituted. His Worship, dismissing the case said that he was at a loss to know why the plaintiff, after borrowing the donkey, didn't send it back after borrowing it. Births. To the wife of Mr. Francis J. Byron, Gaswork's Manager, Nenagh, a son. At Crossogue, Thurles, to the wife of Charles B. Prior, Esq. J.P. a son. The Nenagh Board of Guardians have allowed £8.10.0., to provide clothes and pay expenses to Queenstown to a woman named Armstrong and her four children, chargeable to the Nenagh Division, her husband having paid their passage to New York. 10th June 1878. The Commandant of Depot, Phoenix Park, Dublin, has called on W.T.Gunn, Esq., County Inspector, Tipperary (NR) to supply to the Reserve Force, six well developed policemen of experience and none of them to be under 6 feet. These men were ordered to proceed to Dunmore forthwith. Certainly notable specimens of Irishmen they were, as all the NR policemen are. Their names are as follows--- Thomas Christopher, Portland. John Foster, Gooldings Cross, Templemore. George Franklin, Pike. John Henry, Roscrea. Michael McKiernan, Templederry. Michael Egan, Ballymackey. Died at the residence of his brother-in-law, Daisy Hill, Banbridge, James Kingsley, Esq., Knigh Cottage, Nenagh. He was deservedly loved and respected by rich and poor. The remains will arrive from Banbridge at Nenagh by the 5'30 train, when they will be removed to the family burial place at Knigh. Marriage. At Kilbarron Chapel, by the Rev. G. Corbett, P.P., assisted by the Rev. P. Bray. P.P. Arles, and Rev. John Howard, C.C., Thomas, son of Peter McLoughlin, Queen's County, to Marianne, youngest daughter of the late Martin O'Brien, Esq., Roscrea.

Andrew, thank you for that information from the Brisbane newspaper. I have information from Sydney papers, that all the Havering 'exiles' convicts were landed in Sydney. Both lots of Heffernan's were sent from Sydney to Scone, then on to Armidale for the father & son, my William then went to the Severn River (near or Glen Innes) then late 1851 his third and last ticket of Leaver has him at Tenterfield Station. Ellen Lordon his wife (in fact if not legal) may have also travelled the same route, Ellen was an Irish Orphan lass who arrived in April 1850 on the 'John Knox'. From research of Kerry Heffernan (descendant of John Heffernan Snr.) there were 2 other girls from the same ship and from Bandon Co. Cork as was Ellen, in the same area as the Heffernan men. I wonder if Ellen was sent north as they were. William was 32 when he arrived in Sydney, I am wondering if he had been married in Ireland and that is why we can't find a marriage in NSW for William & Ellen. Not forgetting that in 1850 the priest or minister of that time, probably only came around to these small settlements once a year or even less. I need to do a search on the Pioneer register for both marriages & births/baptisms of that time period to see if there were any RC marriages in that area. On the maternal line of my late husband, his great grandparents were married according to the rites of the Church of England at Tenterfield in 1852, a registration for them has been found. Our ancestors are going to need very good reasons why they have disguised their tracks for generations. Regards Maggie

Maggie -- I will return here to a topic raised in your posting of 24th May and given attention in mine the next day. I will add to what has been said about the convicts who came to Sydney from Ireland in 1849 by the ship "Havering". The Brisbane newspaper "The Moreton Bay Courier" published an extensive commentary on Saturday, 31st August, 1850 headed "The Labour and Transportation Questions". Surveying the history of the matters with which it was concerned, the commentary said a meeting of stockholders at Warwick had called for the introduction of convict labour, and -- "Two shiploads of convicts entitled to tickets-of-leave arrived, and were immediately engaged, besides many of the convicts by the Hashemy, the Randolph, the Havering, and the Adelaide, who had been forwarded from Sydney .... " Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W.

Jan -- In response to your enquiry posted on 26th May, I must state at the outset that I have not found any relative named Fogarty to be residing anywhere closer to Toomevara than Ballaheen or Killea, which were near Templemore. I said Toomevara because my great-grandparents were married at a venue which I have long believed was in that area. I have no knowledge or suspicion of any Spillane connection in my family. My great-grandparents` 1870 marriage registration was headed - "Marriage solemnised at the Roman Catholic Chapel of Toomavara in the Registrar`s District of Toomavara in the Union of Nenagh in the County of Tipperary". The groom said he was a bachelor. He is described in the register entry as a farmer residing at "Ballaheen, Killea". The bride is shown as a spinster residing at Cloncannon, which seems to have been about four or five miles east-northeast of Toomevara. The parties` fathers were identified as "John Fogarty Farmer dead" and "Roger Kennedy Farmer alive". A personal informant has stated that the Fogarty-Kennedy marriage occurred at Grenanstown. That is unsubstantiated advice. I allowed myself the liberty on 18th May of stating Grenanstown as fact. It seems likely that my great-grandparents were couxins. I am convinced that my great-grandmother`s mother was an Ellen Fogarty. I am encouraged in that belief by an unsubstantiated report of an 1843 christening. It is clear from official records that my great-great-grandmother`s first name was Ellen. I have not identified any sibling of my great-grandmother. Family legend has asserted that there was intermarriage between our Fogartys and Kennedys. Five children of my great-grandparents were born before the family left for Australia in 1878. The first four births appear to have been recorded at the Hospital of the Assumption at Thurles. The other child has been said in family legend to have born at Templemore. According to a search report obtained from Ireland, my great-grandfather was christened in Templemore church parish in 1831, the parents John Fogarty and Margaret Brophy being said to be Oldtown residents. The search report cites five subsequent Fogarty-Brophy christenings in the same parish. At 1836 Ballaheen is given as the place of residence. At 1838 it is "Cullinagh". I see "Killinough" at 1841 and "Culllinagh?" at 1844. At 1833 the child`s name is said to have been obliterated by wear occasioned to the register page and no place of residence is cited. I have identified two Australian settlers as siblings of my great-grandfather. According to legend, there was also a sister who became a nun in Victoria. The search report notes the christening of one of the identified Australian settlers. It seems there is a place called Cullinagh in the Ballina area in County Tipperary -- almost in County Clare. I know of no other Cullinagh. Perhaps Killea was also known as Killeagh. I know there is a place in Tipperary called Killavinogue. It appears to be a small way north-east of Templemore. Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W. Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jan Kenney Fortado" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] for Andrew Fogarty (Templemore to Toomevara) > I am looking for Spillanes in the same area. > In my extended family I have an Edward Spillane who married Ellen Fogarty in > the RC parish of Toomevara in 1876. Edward was supposed to have been from > Coolderry, Ardrconey parish. I would assume that the Fogartys were from the > Toomevara area. Jan > [email protected] > > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

TO -- Val Kenelley, Esther Ann, Toni Hayes, Bill Maher, Maree of Hobart, Agnes McFarlane, Heidi, Jan Kenney Fortado and anyone else I may have misled -- I have come to the view that I was wrong when I said on 18th May that my Fogarty great-grandparents` 1870 marriage registration "showed James Stapleton and Bridget Leamy or perhaps Leahy" as witnesses. I said that from memory. I have since examined a copy of the register entry in its original writing. I now say that the witnesses were James Stapleton and a Bridget whose surname looks like Neamey but may have been Leamey. I have surfed after the Neamey name and found mention of the English Neame clan. I do not know whether that name occurred in Ireland. I think it would have been very uncommon in the area with which we are concerned. I have not found Neamey or Neamy. As other readings of the surname of the witness, I offer Barry and Kearney. I am sure it was not any version of Leahy. Regards, Andrew Fogarty Casino N.S.W. Australia

I was wondering if some one could please do a look up for me. Thanks, Carole in Australia Anna Thompson b 1819 Ballingary father was Reverend Marmaduke Thompson,Rector of the church at time of Anna's birth. I dont have any other information on these people,

Laurie and Janet - Thanks for your input. Do appreciate it! Joanne --- On Tue, 5/26/09, Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Laurie Thompson <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] GRIMES & LEAHY Thurles/Lisheen > To: [email protected] > Date: Tuesday, May 26, 2009, 6:24 PM > Hi . For what it is worth some people > were married by the priest who baptised them even though he > had been transferred ,. Laurie >   ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Calhoun Joanne >   To: [email protected] > >   Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:58 AM >   Subject: [IRL-TIP] GRIMES & LEAHY > Thurles/Lisheen > > > >   Hello List - I am helping a good friend who is > visually impaired put together some genealogy of her GRIMES > and LEAHY ancestors c 1870 on. > >   My friend insists that the families were from > Thurles; however, the marriage record I just found states > Parish/District Moyne, Address: Lisheen and it took place in > the RC Church of Monynetemple. The ship records I found on > ancestry.com say the person was from Templemore. A mapquest > search shows Templemore to be about 15 km from Thurles. > >   Your opinion please - would it be usual for people > from Lisheen or Templemore to say they were from Thurles? > >   Is anyone researching GRIMES or LEAHY families from > that area? > >   Can anyone suggest a particular non-paying website > that would have good resources for that area? Have the RC > church records been filmed by LDS? > >   Thanks for any and all information! >   Joanne >   Massachusetts >   USA > > >         >   > _______________________________________________________ >   Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php >   ------------------------------- >   To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

You would have to check the website. Mary Anne Original Message: ----------------- From: [email protected] Date: Wed, 27 May 2009 11:03:43 EDT To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Newspapers Archive online How much does it cost to use that web site about the Irish Newspapers online? Thank you Heidi **************Dinner Made Easy Newsletter - Simple Meal Ideas for Your Family. Sign Up Now! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1221991367x1201443283/aol?redir=htt p:%2F%2Fad.doubleclick.net%2Fclk%3B215225819%3B37274678%3Bs% 3Fhttp:%2F%2Frecipes.dinnermadeeasy.com%2F%3FESRC%3D622) _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web

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So sorry. Correction here. He was there in 1860. Not there in 1870. -Janet On 5/26/09 8:07 PM, "Janet Maher" <[email protected]> wrote: > In 1870 Connecticut a James Grimes, age 24, was living in the home of my > Maher family. Other surnames also came through their home and those > connected to them in the post-emigration censuses. Unfortunately I can't > tell you the exact place. I'm scouring for that too. Grimes was not there > after the 1870 census. > -Janet

Hi . For what it is worth some people were married by the priest who baptised them even though he had been transferred ,. Laurie ----- Original Message ----- From: Calhoun Joanne To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 7:58 AM Subject: [IRL-TIP] GRIMES & LEAHY Thurles/Lisheen Hello List - I am helping a good friend who is visually impaired put together some genealogy of her GRIMES and LEAHY ancestors c 1870 on. My friend insists that the families were from Thurles; however, the marriage record I just found states Parish/District Moyne, Address: Lisheen and it took place in the RC Church of Monynetemple. The ship records I found on ancestry.com say the person was from Templemore. A mapquest search shows Templemore to be about 15 km from Thurles. Your opinion please - would it be usual for people from Lisheen or Templemore to say they were from Thurles? Is anyone researching GRIMES or LEAHY families from that area? Can anyone suggest a particular non-paying website that would have good resources for that area? Have the RC church records been filmed by LDS? Thanks for any and all information! Joanne Massachusetts USA _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message