Dear listers Anyone connected to the Chapman families that lived in Roscrea county Tipperary in 1840- 1914. There were three brothers Richard, Thomas and Henry. Their occupation was boot and shoe makers in Limerick street or Burgoo. What is Burgoo? Richard lived in the toewnland of Streamstown in 1840 and must of moved into Roscrea.. They married Whelan, Rudd, Armstrong, Heffernan, Hutchinson and McGrath families. My Chapman family descendants of Richard came to Australia. Any help greatly appreciated. Bill

7th March 1881 Nenagh Guardian At Nenagh Petty Sessions, Michael McCormack of Toomlough, was fined 1/- and cots for furious driving. James Kennedy, of Drummond was fined 2/6 and costs for being drunk. Sub-Constable Kenna summoned Matthew Meara, of Borrisokane, for being drunk while in charge of a horse. Fined 5/- and costs. Meara said he had never been drunk before, but that he was able to still do his business. He applied for a reduction of the fine. At the Board of Guardians a man from the Silvermines brought in a bill for 4/- paid for digging a grave for a destitute woman who had died at the Silvermines. The Board of Guardians decided that it would be impossible for them to pay the bill. The man then asked for 1/- but the Board refused to pay anything. The man remarked that had the woman been in a place where she could be locked when dead, there would not be much trouble with her, but the place where she died was like a pig-stye. A Roscrea man, has won the title of champion long distance pedestrian of the world. John Hughes was well known about Roscrea before emigrating to America some ten years back. He worked for a while on the farm of Mr. T. Maher, Cloneen, and we have been informed that his father who resides in Roscrea has already profited by his son's good fortune. The following summary of the race is taken from the New York "Police Gazette", the proprietor of which entered Hughes for the race. John Hughes, an Irish-American, who has only been ten years in this country, has placed upon record a feat unprecedented. He covered by running and walking 568 miles 2 laps and 165 yards in 141 hours and 45 minutes. He could have run his score up to 600 miles had his trainer thought it necessary. In Nenagh Crown Court on Wednesday afternoon, when Mr. Gibson, Q.C., was addressing the jury on behalf of the Farney Bridge prisoners, he denounced strongly a man named Ryan who played the part of informer to the prosecution. A voice from behind the learned Counsel was heard to say in a muffled tone--"So say all of us". The court immediately fell into perfect silence and Baron Dowse directed the constable standing opposite him to arrest "that man and remove him from the court". All eyes fell in the direction of the bench from where the voice was heard and were met by solemn, unmoved faces. At the end of the bench was a constable attending to his duties. His Lordship repeated his directive but the constable only answered with a wild gesture and from all sides there was a cry, "It was the constable". Then he was suddenly seen to duck, and hither and thither and after the pantomime he made a wild dash from the courtroom. Baron Dowse and all the older Counsel commented that in all their judicial experience they had never witnessed the like of this before. 16th July 1873 Mr. Sergeant O'Brien, of the English Bar, who has died in London, was the son of a small farmer in Duharrow, and was one of those young men who, from that particular district, graduated to eminence. Having been educated at one of the country classical schools of Nenagh kept by Arthur Bradley, in the lower end of Chapel Lane, he was assisted by some benevolent friend to proceed to Dublin, where he stood an examination for Sizership in Trinity College, and won first place against all the competitors. At the conclusion of the examinations one of the fellows called him aside. O'Brien asked--Is there any other question you wish to put to me?. No, said the Fellow, you have answered admirably. Having eaten his way to the English Bar, he rose to distinction, but he never forgot his humble home in Duharrow, and he was always happy to meet a Tipperary man in London. At Nenagh Board of Guardians, there was a letter from New York, from Peter Connors, Blacksmith, formerly of Nenagh, containing an order for £6-8-0, towards sending his wife and children to America, at present in the workhouse. Denis Murphy, guard of the Nenagh and Limerick train, fell out of his van, when passing the Benedine Bridge near Nenagh, one day last week. The train passed on without missing him. Fortunately he was uninjured. On his return to the station, a telegraph was sent to Birdhill, reporting the accident. A riot of a serious nature took place on Wednesday night between soldiers and militia at Birr, during which some men were severely cut with stones. Early on Monday morning, as a man named Gleeson, in the employment of John Bayly Esq., at Debsboro, was preparing the fire and getting up the steam for a machine he was attending, one of his arms became entangled in the revolving engine. Dr. Cahalan dressed the wounds. Fortunately no bones were broken. Deaths. At Castlewaller near Newport, Mr. Michael Egan, who had represented for the Electoral Division of Kilnerath, in Nenagh Union, for many years. At Dawson's Bog, Templederry, much and deservedly regretted, Bridget, the beloved wife of Mr. William Ryan. PLG. Married at the Roman Catholic Church, Nenagh, by the Rev. R. Kennedy, CC, Mr. Cornelius Ryan, late Sergeant of her Majesty's 86th Regiment, to Bridget, eldest daughter of Mr. John Murray, Queen Street, Nenagh. Nenagh Board of Guardians has requested Conductor J. Boyle of Bombay Ordinance Department for an explanation in regard to leaving his wife and children in Nenagh Workhouse. The Bombay Government will be further desired to deduct from Boyle's pay and allowance, such amount as they would think adequate for the support of his family, if the explanation tendered by Conductor Boyle be consider unsatisfactory. At Nenagh Petty Sessions, Head Constable Thompson, had William Scurlock of Ballalley Lane, summoned for wantonly jostling Mrs. Crawford off the flags. He was fined £1 and costs. Mr. Fleming said that the rowdies of Nenagh would be thought that people should be permitted to walk the streets, without being molested or offended. Births. At Borrisoleigh, to the wife of Dr. Quinlan, a daughter. At Drumbawn, Newport, to the wife of Mr. Charles Cullen, a son. 19th June 1876. The following Grand Jury for the Nenagh Quarter Sessions was sworn in today. Edward Coffey, (Foreman) Henry Bayly. John Dagg. Thomas Donovan. William Frawley. Patrick Kennedy. J.D. O'Ryan. Denis Gleeson. Nicholas Roche. R.G.Waller. Captain Bunbury. Joseph Greene. John Hobbs. P.B.Kennedy. William McKeogh. Fitzwilliam Walsh. James Guest. Bryan Moylan. George Keyes. Joseph McCutcheon. Benjamin Towers. A 13 year old boy, Pat Benson, from Knockahorna, was fined 10/- and costs at Borrisoleigh Petty Sessions, for being in a helpless state of drunkenness on the street. His aged grandfather came forward and paid the fine. Their Worships asked Pat where he got the whiskey, and he gave the court a list of publicans. The Chairman directed the police to summon them for giving liquor to a youth of his age. The death has taken place of Mrs Margaret Meagher, Matron of the Nenagh Workhouse for over 25 years. During that period there was not a single complaint of any kind against her. She was justly beloved and respected by all classes. She was sister-in-law of the late Rev. John Meagher, P.P. of Murroe. She was buried at Annameadle. At Toomevara, on Thursday night, Mrs Eliza Brislane, died suddenly at Mr. James O'Meara's House. An inquest returned a verdict that she died of disease of the heart. The Stoker Ryan, who while drunk, ran an engine into a train of wagons at Ennis Railway Station last Saturday evening, was on Friday sentenced to two months in prison. Wed in Toronto. On June 1st, by his Grace, the Archbishop, assisted by the Rev. Fr. Harris, Hugh J. McDonald, Esq., son of Right Hon. Sir John A. McDonald, to Jennie, eldest daughter of W.A. Murray, Esq., and niece of John Murray, Esq. Castle Street, Nenagh. Died at Summerhill, Nenagh, Mr. Michael O'Halloran, Monument Manufacturer. Died at Gurteen, Templederry, Mr. James Dagg, aged 56 years, generally regretted. John Kennedy's Will. Notice is given pursuant to the statue 30th and 31st Vic Chap 54, that John Kennedy, late of Ballyhane, in the County of Tipperary, Farmer, deceased, by his last will and testament, dated 21st Feb. 1876, made the following bequests. £10 to be given for masses for the repose of his soul. £10 to be given towards the building of a new Chapel at Templederry. £30 to given in charity according to the wishes of Rev. Ml. Gleeson. P.P. Templederry. Probate of said will was granted on the 2nd June 1876 to Felix Delaney of Ballyhane, and James O'Leary of Cooneen, the sole executors, therein named.

This came in this morning on the Eastman Gen. Blog. If Limerick City is going to do this, then maybe some of the other cities in Ireland will follow suit. At least it's something hopeful. I've sent it to the Tipp & Wexford Lists. Feel free to pass it on to your other Lists. Terry in Mich. http://www.limerickleader.ie/news/City-records-online-decision-is.5348402.jp

27th Sept 1886 From the Nenagh Guardian At Moneygall Sessions, Mgr. W.P. Holmes had five summonses issued for trespass against parties residing at Cullenawaine. Mr. Frend, agent on the estate, represented the Landlord, and a bailiff, named Hogg proved the trespass in each case. The first case was against Martin Gleeson, and this was marked "settled" as was one against Michael Morkan. Denis Treacy was also let off by Mr. Frend, with costs. In the case against Judy Morkan, for trespass of seven cattle on after grass on the 19th Sept, the defendant was fined 1/9 with costs. There was a second summons for trespass of nineteen geese on the same day, for which a similar fine was imposed. Deaths, Sept. 11th, at Garrycloghan, Silvermines, Jane widow of the late Mr. William Callanan, of Ballhyhow, aged 90. Sept 15th at Kiltanon, from jaundice, Marcus, youngest son of the late James Moloney. D.L. Kiltanon, aged 48. Sept. 22nd, at Castle Street, Nenagh, in the 80th year of her age, Mary, wife of Martin Dwyer. Sept 8th, at 21 West 60th Street, New York, W.R.Hammersley, only son of W.H.Hodgins, late of Cloughjordan, aged 8 months. On Monday, the Sheriff's Officer attended at Timona, Dromineer, and under the protection of the police, evicted Mrs Diana Clarke and William Clarke from their holding they being indebted for rent and arrears in the amount of £140-12-0. The yearly rent is £46 which is £2.10.0., less than Griffith's Valuation. After getting possession the Sheriff's officer allowed Mrs Clarke back in as caretaker. It was rumoured at the time of the evection that if a year's rent and costs were paid, Mr. Fox would give a receipt in full up to the last gale day. The costs amount to about £5. 20th Sept 1886. At Nenagh Guardians, Relieving Officer Lee reported that notices had been served on him at the suit of Miss Lettita C. Twiss and others, in regard to the eviction of the following tenants, Patrick Brien, Timothy Keogh, and Martin Brien, of Inchamore. Michael Andrews, Patrick Nugent, John Kent, Patrick Grady, Denis McMahon, of Ballymilane. John Darcy and Daniel Halloran of Inchamore. A. Nolan, Solicitor, Cahir, acts for the Landlords. It was remarked at the Board that there would be then evictions in Upperchurch on Tuesday, at which a mustering of police and military will attend. The solicitors will come from Limerick, and will in all likelihood be billeted in Newport. 4-1-1851. An inquest was held by T.T. Abbott, Esq. Coroner, on Friday last, upon the body of a man named Walsh, who resided with his sister, a widow, near Newport. A verdict was returned that the deceased died from destitution. It appeared that the unfortunate man allowed himself to starve sooner than enter the workhouse. 27-7-1850. Yesterday Mr. Pigott, agent to the Earl of Portarlington, accompanied by Mr. Samuel M. Going, sub-sheriff, and a party of constabulary under the command of Head Constable Shanahan, proceeded to a street in the suburbs of this town (Nenagh), called "Boheen Glass", alias Green Street, and levelled thirty houses, in which were located at least three hundred human beings, who were in a most abject and impoverished state. It was a truly appalling sight to see those wretched beings erecting sheds and huts against the walls and ditches to try and guard themselves and families against the inclemency of the weather for one night, it being supposed that the greater number of them will seek for and obtain admission to the workhouse this day. No rent has been received from those premises for the last ten to fifteen years:-in fact, they held out in defiance of the law till the last. 16th March 1850. On the 6th inst, as Michael Ryan, of Upperchurch was in the act of seizing a cow, under a distress for rent, due by a man named James Ryan, John Ryan struck him with a pitchfork on the head from the effects of which he lies dangerously ill, his skull being fractured, but it is hoped he may yet recover. At one o'clock in the morning of the 7th inst, three brothers named, James, John and David Carey, seized for rent cows belonging to Denis and Pat Sweeney, residing near Cashel. After the seizure had been made a quarrel took place and a riot ensued, in which both the Sweeney's were seriously injured, one of them having received a blow of a stone, which fractured his skull, and placed his life in imminent danger.

The websites are fixed. http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/index.htm There are Protestant Marriages for Roscrea and Thurles. Click on Vitals and then Marriages. Not Marriage Database. Just Marriages. Thanks, Chris On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Christina Finn Hunt<[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for letting me know. I have emailed our tech guy. > Hopefully all will be restored shortly. > Christina > > | The reason the IGP project isn't getting much mail may be due to a > | broken link somehow. I just now tried to approach them by the usual > | way of a direct click on your message, then by middlemen Google, > | Bing, RootsWeb, and Ancestry.   Neither link to IGP via > | http://www.igp-web.com/  nor  [email protected] seems to > | work today.    This is an ongoing problem every time the major > | search engines improve themselves to stay competitive.  Ain't > | technology grand? MMM >

Actually that is where my mother and her brothers were born. She was born in Mien, Killea I'm pretty sure it is part of Roscrea. I obtained her birth certificate in Nenagh. Regards Catherine Fitzgerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean Pratt" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Tuesday, June 9, 2009 6:15:11 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [IRL-TIP] Mien townland. Can anyone on this list tell me where Mien is located &/or if it is the same as Moyne near Templetouhy? Thanks for your help, Jeanne _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

* Tradition asserts that Cromwell was enchanted with the abundant fertility of the golden Vale of Tipperary, and that his capture of Clonmel, its capital, was accidental. Having besieged the town for several weeks without success, he withdrew his men. As they were leaving, several bullets were fired after them, one of which struck Oliver's hat. He stooped to pick it up, intending to keep it as a memento, and on examining it found that it was made of silver. Reflecting that ammunition must be scarce when shot was out from silver, he turned back and, renewing the assault, took the town.

Can anyone on this list tell me where Mien is located &/or if it is the same as Moyne near Templetouhy? Thanks for your help, Jeanne

>From the Nenagh Guardian. 1st Oct. 1894. At Cloughjordan Petty Sessions, John Hanlon, Cloughjordan, was fined 6/- for being drunk and disorderly at Cloughjordan. James Reed was fined 7/3 for a similar offence at Townfields. M. Molloy, Sopwell, was fined 6p for being drunk on the public street. John Hart who hails from Whitewalls, Nenagh was brought up in custody and fined 4/- for being drunk the previous evening on the Public Street. Thurles Petty Sessions. Sergeant John Boyland charged John Corbett of Maunselstown, with keeping a shebeen. Mr. Sayers defended. The Sergeant deposed that when he searched the house, on the 16th inst, he found concealed under a bed, four full and 15 empty porter bottles. Under a table and behind a box he found five full and 3 empty ones. In a press in a room he found 9 bottles of porter. In the kitchen he found an empty quarter cask. Cross-examined he didn't tell me he had the porter for his own use. The defence was that Corbett had purchased the porter for his own use, and intended it for the cutting of his hay, and the drawing home of his turf. A man named Lahey, a labourer, deposed that he was four days cutting defendant's hay, and each day he drank three bottles of porter supplied gratis by defendant. As to the empty cask defendant stated that some of the neighbouring boys subscribed for it, and drank it at a dance which was held in his house with his permission. This statement was also corroborated by the young man who bought the quarter cask. Their worships said the case looked a suspicious one, but they would give the defendant the benefit of the doubt and dismiss it. The announcement of the death of Mr. Rody Spain, Barrack Street, Nenagh at the premature age of 26 years, will be read with deep regret by his numerous friends and admirers. The sad event occurred early on Monday morning last, after a very short illness during which he was attended by Drs Henry F. Powell and R. Morton of Nenagh and Surgeon Myles of Dublin. Deceased who was the second son of Mr. Charles Spain, Castle Street, endeared himself to everyone by his many good qualities, and although he died young in years, his memory will not soon be forgotten by those who had the privilege of knowing and loving a sterling nationalist and genial companion. 7th May 1894. On Tuesday morning a police pensioner named Fogarty dropped dead suddenly outside his lodgings in New Street. He was apparently a healthy man, and did not recently complain of any ailment. At the horse fair on Tuesday in Thurles, a man named Patrick Dunne, from Gortnahoe met with a very serious accident, by falling off his horse against the kerb in Cathedral Street, his horse falling on him. He sustained such severe injuries over his right eye and such a shock to the system that he had to be conveyed to hospital unconscious, suffering from concussion of the brain. The assistant Sub-Sheriff for Tipperary accompanied by some bailiffs and a protection party of police, on Saturday visited the town land of Kilnaneave, about three miles from Nenagh, and evicted a tenant farmer named John Haugh, with his wife and 10 children for non payment of rent. Haugh held 35 acres of land from a Mr. Haire of London, the rent being £26 and the valuation £22. A caretaker is in occupation of the place. Dr. Quigley J.P. attended at the Police Barrack on Monday last, and adjudicated in some cases in which parties found under the influence on the previous day were charged by Acting Sergeant Reidy and Constable Eggleston. One thirsty soul, named Reynolds, was let off with a fine of 5/- while his brother in adversity, named Cooney, who hails from Limerick and was mulcted in a similar fine, was about leaving the Barrack when he indulged in some offensive expressions to the magistrate and constabulary. His worship had the delinquent re-arrested, and after administrating a severe reprimand for his ingratitude after being so leniently dealt with, ordered that he be sent to her Majesty's Lodging house in his own city for 7 days. Cooney kissed hands to his worship and was removed to the lockup, from where he was send to Limerick. 15th Oct. 1894. Born on the 11th Oct, at Lahesseragh, Kilbarron, to the wife of Mr. Daniel Gleeson, a son. To the wife of Mr. Charles McLoughlin, R.I.C. at Grace's Street, Nenagh, a son. Thomas Ryan of Kilcommon was found dead on the roadside near his home on Wednesday last. A man named Carmody, living near Capparoe, has reported to the police that a rick of hay his property, was maliciously set on fire and consumed a few evenings ago. With extreme regret we have to announce this evening the death of Mrs Mary Flaherty, of Rathnaleen. The sad event, which took place early this morning, was not wholly unexpected, as the good old lady, who had nearly reached the century was confined to her room for some time past. Her husband William, predeceased her about 25 years ago. The funeral will leave at 2 o'clock tomorrow for Lismoney cemetery. The Affray at Brocka. Before Mr. Joseph Madden, sitting on Tuesday as Vacation Judge, Mr. C. Doyle, (instructed by Mr. A. Nolan and Mr. J. O'Farrell) applied that Joseph Bowles and Francis Tully, at present in custody in Birr jail, should be allowed out on bail. The prisoners had been returned for trial at the next Assizes by the Borrisokane Magistrates on the charge of murdering Michael Callaghan, who was the caretaker on an evicted farm at Brocka, on the 16th of last month. Counsel read the depositions made at the sessions by Mrs Callaghan and her two daughters, which have already appeared in the papers. It was sworn by Mrs Callaghan that Bowles was the man who struck Callaghan with a crowbar and fractured his skull. Francis Tully was identified as endeavouring to take the gun from Callaghan after the latter had shot a young man named Kelly. Mr.Nolan (instructed by Mr. George Bolton, Crown Solicitor), resisted the motion which was refused. The two servant girls Desmond and Donovan, lately in the service of Surgeon Major Fox at Birr Barracks, whose room was broken into by several officers, it is alleged, in the course of an nocturnal "lark", have instituted actions for damages against 8 defendants, including the Earl of Huntingdon, fixing the venue at Cork. At the last Moneygall Petty Sessions the magistrates present were:T. Stoney, in the chair, G.J.Minchin D.L. and Major Craddock. District Inspector Hannen was also present. At the suit of Sergeant Ashe, Pat Dunne was fined 10/- and costs, for being drunk while in charge of a horse, and George Lee summoned George Hyland for trespass of 28 turkeys on turnips, oats, onions, and pasture land. He was fined 1/8- and costs. At the suit of Thomas O'Meara, Esq. Patrick Hall was fine 4/6- and costs for the trespass of nine head of cattle on pasture land, and same complainant had some defendant up for the trespass of 55 sheep. He was fined 9/2- and costs, and on another similar charge the defendant was fined in a like sum. 14th May 1894. A very sad case has occurred in Portumna, where a constable of the RIC has become insane. The Constable was only stationed in Portumna for about six months, and a few weeks ago was sent to an evicted farm a few miles from the town. A short time since the constable accidentally cut his finger, and allowed a dog to lick it. It is believed that the animal was mad at the time, and that the unfortunate man is the victim of hydrophobia. On Saturday he became so violent that he had to be tied down with ropes and removed to Ballinasloe Lunatic Asylum. The case is a peculiarly sad one, as arrangements had been made for his marriage which was to have come off on Thursday last. John Purcell, of Gurtkelly, had summonses against Michael Gleeson, of Ballyboy, for trespass of cattle on his pasture. The trespass having been proved, a decree for the ordinary rate, with costs, was granted. Patrick and Peter Kennedy (brothers) had John Ryan, Knocknakilla, and Michael Kennedy, of Foilnacanuy, summoned for assaulting them at Knocknakilla, on the 16th of April last. Michael Kennedy had a cross summons against Pat Kennedy for an assault committed on him on the same occasion. Mr. Corbett, Solicitor, Nenagh appeared for Ryan and Kennedy. The brothers Kennedy, were not professionally represented. The court was engaged for a considerable time with those cases and ultimately arrived at the conclusion of binding Pa Kennedy, Ryan, and Michael Kennedy, to the peace for 12 months. Sergeant Nally had Michael Martin and Thomas McCarty summoned for being drunk. Fined 2/6 and 12/6, respectively, with costs. He also summoned Tom Ryan for allowing his dog to be at large, fined 5/- and costs. Constable Bennett summoned Michael Maher and Matthew Ryan, of Rathcarden, the former for being drunk and disorderly, and the latter for drunkenness. Maher was sent to jail for 14 days, Ryan was fined 5/- and costs. It is with sincerest sorrow we have this evening to announce the death of Miss Maryanne Spain, which sad event took place yesterday at 61, Castle Street, Nenagh, in the 30th year of her age, after a long illness, deeply and deservedly regretted for her many amiable qualities. Deceased was the eldest daughter of Mr. Patrick Spain of Lisgarode, near Nenagh, for whom the greatest sympathy is felt, as this is the fifth bereavement he has met within a very short period. Her remains will be removed at two o'clock tomorrow (Sunday) for interment at Cloughprior. We regret to announce the death this evening of Mrs Mary Cuddihy, widow of the late Mr. Darby Cuddihy, of Barrack Street, and mother of John Cuddihy, Harness-Maker, Pound Street. The deceased had reached the ripe age of close on 80 years. The Queen at the prosecution of George Gettings charged John Whelan, a labourer, with having attacked his dwelling house on the 12th of Feb., last, broken his door, and assaulted himself. Whelan's defence was that he had drink taken at the time, that he stumbled and fell against the door, which went in from the force of the fall. The complainant, in reply to the chairman, stated that this was not true, as a stone was thrown against the door, which broke it, and put it off the hinges. The door fell in about the house, and he then went out and saw the defendant, and send his wife to fetch the police, while his wife was away the defendant assaulted witness. Constable Lee was sworn, and gave evidence that he and Constable Wallace were called to Gettings on the night of the occurrence, and brought Whelan into a neighbours house for the purpose of identification. The bench imposed a fine of 10/- and 2/6 costs.

Thanks for letting me know. I have emailed our tech guy. Hopefully all will be restored shortly. Christina | The reason the IGP project isn't getting much mail may be due to a | broken link somehow. I just now tried to approach them by the usual | way of a direct click on your message, then by middlemen Google, | Bing, RootsWeb, and Ancestry. Neither link to IGP via | http://www.igp-web.com/ nor [email protected] seems to | work today. This is an ongoing problem every time the major | search engines improve themselves to stay competitive. Ain't | technology grand? MMM

Where ever did you find the protestant Marriage Roscrea Register ??? thanks in advance for the information Mary Balle ----- Original Message ----- From: "PETER CRAWSHAW" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, June 08, 2009 6:51 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Reminder to check Message Board > Hello All, > I have found in the Protestant Marriage Roscrea Register a Marriage of a > possible ancestor. The problem I have is that it says > John Cormack RC 21x Labourer Michael Cormack Labourer > My question is was he Roman Catholic and if so why was he getting married > in a Protestant church? > Thank you, > Geraldine > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Christina Finn > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

The reason the IGP project isn't getting much mail may be due to a broken link somehow. I just now tried to approach them by the usual way of a direct click on your message, then by middlemen Google, Bing, RootsWeb, and Ancestry. Neither link to IGP via http://www.igp-web.com/<http://www.igp-web.com/> nor [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> seems to work today. This is an ongoing problem every time the major search engines improve themselves to stay competitive. Ain't technology grand? MMM

Hello All, I have found in the Protestant Marriage Roscrea Register a Marriage of a possible ancestor.  The problem I have is that it says John Cormack RC 21x  Labourer Michael Cormack Labourer My question is was he Roman Catholic and if so why was he getting married in a Protestant church? Thank you, Geraldine ________________________________ From: Christina Finn

Brian Phelan has taken the data from Martin Callanan's work, 'Records of Four Tipperary Septs', and has shared it on the IGP Tipperary website. Brian you may remember also shared his work on the 1889 Bassett's Directory. We are really indebted to him for all his work. To view the Records of the Four Tipperary Septs, go to http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/ Click on Census Substitutes on the top menu. Just Census Subs. Not the offshoot menus for Rate Payers etc. Enjoy! Christina

Outdoor Relief was a payment to poor people who otherwise would either have to go into the poorhouse or the workhouse. It would be like Social Welfare now. Investigated more, I presume, would be that the Board of Guardians would go back and check his circumstances again. And no, nothing more on that Thomas Shanahan at the moment. Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine T. Fitzgerald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 7:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] From the Nenagh Guardian. > Just curious what is "outdoor relief" in reference to the Tom Shanahan > noted below. Also it states it is to be investigated more. Do you have any > further items from the Nenagh Guardian in reference to this. My great > grandfather was a Thomas Shanahan in that time period. > > Thank You > Catherine Fitzgerald > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mary Heaphy" <[email protected]> > To: "Irl Tipperary" <[email protected]>, "Co Tipperary" > <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:40:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern > Subject: [IRL-TIP] From the Nenagh Guardian. > >>From the Nenagh Guardian. > > 17th Sept. 1894. > > A young constable of the Royal Irish Constabulary, named Darcy, has just > died in Madame Steven's Hospital, Dublin. He was a native of Borrisokane. > > While a Roscrea merchant was at Thurles on Friday, and his wife otherwise > engaged in town, their daughter eloped with a young man who is well known > there. Great was the consternation on all sides when the truth became > known. It is expected that more will presently be heard of the matter, as > elaborate plans are in operation to recapture the fugitive lovers. It is > alleged that the young lady took away some money with her. > > On Thursday, a pony attached to a trap belonging to Captain Roe, > Riverstown, which was being driven towards Yewston, became restive when > passing the Provincial Bank, in Peter Street, and plunged violently. The > occupants of the trap were Mrs De W. Waller and the Misses Poe. The ladies > lost all control of the animal, and Mrs Waller and Miss Poe were dashed to > the ground, while the third lady retained her place in the trap until the > pony reached Cudville, where it was brought to a stand. Notwithstanding > the furious rate at which the animal sped along, young Miss Poe, acted > with great coolness and courage. Beyond the breaking of a few straps and a > slight scratch on the pony, there was no damage. The ladies escaped with a > few bruises. > > On a day last week Mr.Kennedy, Gurteen, visited Roscrea for the purpose of > buying some ponies that were on sale there. He drew a sum of £35 out of > the bank, and after paying £5 for the pony he purchases he is alleged to > have gone into a yard, and whether he fell asleep or not he either lost > all the money except £4 or £5, or it was stolen from him. A young fellow > named Deverix has been arrested in connection with the matter. The missing > money it appears, has not been found. The case, if completed in the > meantime, will be up before the magistrate's at the next Petty Sessions. > > Died on the 6th inst, at Summerhill, Nenagh, Bridget, the infant child of > Dr. Wm. Courtney. > > 23rd June 1873. > > A few days ago, while some men were making excavations in the yard at the > rere of Golden Grove House, Roscrea, the residence of W.P.Vaughan, Esq., > they found a human skeleton in a lying position. Several others have been > found in that locality from time to time. It is supposed that the Dane's > family made a raid on the town of Roscrea, and that the weaver's > apprentices who lived in Bunker's Hill, turned them out and fought from > Golden Grove to Leap Castle, and that the bodies that have been > discovered, were those who were slain on the occasion. > > A letter was handed into Nenagh Board of Guardians last week by Tom > Shanahan claiming outdoor relief. The application was supported by the > signatures of 7 ratepayers, among them the PP of Templederry. The > application was refused on the grounds that the Guardian of the Union. Mr. > J.D. O'Ryan, objected. Mr.Ardill pressed the matter and the Relieving > Officer will be ordered to investigate. > > Head Constable James McLoughlin summoned Martin Bourke of Ballinkeneally, > Ballinahinch for keeping a ferocious dog at large, which bit a man named > Dan Ryan. Ryan who is a post boy of letter carrier, said that the dog > jumped at him and bit him. The case was tried at Newport Petty Sessions > before Wyndham Gabbett, Esq. The defendant said that he would not give his > bloodhound for £100. Neither did he mean to kill him or allow him to be > killed. > > Head Constable-If he attacks someone, what will be the consequence?. > > Defendant-Let them all keep out of the way. > > The case was adjourned. > > At Nenagh Petty Sessions, Mary McKeon was sent to jail for a month, as a > street beggar and a public nuisance, abusing everybody who refused her > money. She was on the outdoor relief list. > > An aged and broken down schoolmaster, formerly of Templederry, was brought > up at Nenagh on a charge of stealing an umbrella. Dr Quinn deposed that he > was of weak mind. He was sentenced to a week in prison. > > Died at the residence of her brother-in-law, James Roche, Esq., Norwood > House, Nenagh, Miss Hearne formerly of Clonmel, very much regretted by all > who knew her. > > Died at Portroe, of fever, Mary, eldest daughter of Mr. Michael O'Brien. > > Died in New York City, Martin Cahill, a native of Roscrea, Co. Tipperary > in his 43rd year. > > 23rd June 1879. > > Six persons were charged at the Petty Sessions of Fethard on Monday, with > riotous conduct in breaking the windows of houses where a woman named > Mills, wife of a soldier of the 3rd Dragoon Guards lodged. She had > expressed a desire to become a protestant, and had entered protestant > worship. The Parish Priest, however called on her, and told her such > conduct might produce unpleasantness. She is now safely in the Military > Barracks. The parties pleaded guilty and expressed regret, and the case > was postponed until next court day to see if there would be a repetition > of such conduct. > > Constable Gallagher and party made a raid on some suspected Public Houses > in Nenagh on last Sunday. They searched five licensed premises, in only > two of which was there any necessity of issuing summonses for Petty > Sessions for next Saturday. In one of the houses, which is in Silver > Street, they found two men belonging to John's Lane enjoying themselves as > unconcernedly as if Sunday Closing Act had been repealed: In the other > house in Pound Street, people were heard inside, but before the police got > admission, they, it is alleged, made their escape by the rear. A man from > Ballycommon, named Michael Molamphy was picked up in the Street in a state > of drunkenness. > > On Monday, the son of an itinerant tinker had a narrow escape of being > drowned in the Newport River. He owes his life to a young chap, who had > been fishing, sticking a gaff in his clothes and landing him. The patient > is progressing favourably. > > 26th June 1876. > > John Stapleton, when coming home from the North Tipperary Assizes with a > load of Road Monkey, got drunk, and drove a horse and car furiously along > the road to the danger of passengers. He was fined £2 and costs at > Borrisoleigh Petty Sessions. > > Died at the Cottage, Roscrea, Miss Jane Bridge. > > Died at Dublin Road, Nenagh, after a long illness, Mr. James Wilkinson, > aged 47 years. > > At Nenagh Petty Sessions today, there were six inebriate cases whose fines > were either 5/- or 10/-. Some of the defences set up were rather amusing. > A woman gave as an excuse that she took a drop extra on the strength of > the boys coming home from the militia. > > Edward Cummins of Ballyhane, said it was to much water he drank and it > made him sick. Patrick Gleeson from the Silvermines was for the 150 time > brought up. He said he couldn't stop drinking thought he tried to do so by > taking the pledge for a couple days. He was let off with a fine of 6d., > with costs and a promise of jail on the 152nd charge. > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I need to start by getting some geography straight. Where is: - Clonmel, Tipperary, Ireland? Near Newtown? - Tyrell's Pass, Meath or Westmeath, supposedly partly in Clonford and mostly in Newtown? - Newtown, Westmeath, Ireland? Place where a Low family of Cromwellian date owned huge estates. Is it in Tipperary? Or is a different Newtown in Tipperary? What is the relationship between Co Meath and Co Westmeath? Thanks! Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected] Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [email protected]

I wanted to remind listers that the IGP Tipperary website has it's own message board. It is coming up for renewal so I would like feedback on whether it is worth it to keep the "proffessional" level. 1,000 posts are allowed. We have only used 400. At any rate, there have been a lot of messages and you might find a fellow searcher there. http://www.igp-web.com/tipperary/index.htm Scroll down to Tipperary Message Forum. Thanks, Christina IGP Tipperary admin

Catherine, the following Wikipedia citation shows up after a quick Google search. You may want to search yourself for other articles. Terry in Mich. <<This article refers to Britain's welfare provision after the 1601 Poor Law. For welfare programmes see Social security After the passing of the Elizabethan Poor Law (1601), outdoor relief was assistance, in the form of money, food, clothing or goods, given to alleviate poverty without the requirement that the recipient enter an institution.[1] In contrast, recipients of indoor relief were required to enter a workhouse or poorhouse>>. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Catherine T. Fitzgerald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 06, 2009 2:32 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] From the Nenagh Guardian. > Just curious what is "outdoor relief" in reference to the Tom Shanahan > noted below. Also it states it is to be investigated more. Do you have any > further items from the Nenagh Guardian in reference to this. My great > grandfather was a Thomas Shanahan in that time period. > > Thank You > Catherine Fitzgerald > > >

Just curious what is "outdoor relief" in reference to the Tom Shanahan noted below. Also it states it is to be investigated more. Do you have any further items from the Nenagh Guardian in reference to this. My great grandfather was a Thomas Shanahan in that time period. Thank You Catherine Fitzgerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mary Heaphy" <[email protected]> To: "Irl Tipperary" <[email protected]>, "Co Tipperary" <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2009 12:40:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: [IRL-TIP] From the Nenagh Guardian. >From the Nenagh Guardian. 17th Sept. 1894. A young constable of the Royal Irish Constabulary, named Darcy, has just died in Madame Steven's Hospital, Dublin. He was a native of Borrisokane. While a Roscrea merchant was at Thurles on Friday, and his wife otherwise engaged in town, their daughter eloped with a young man who is well known there. Great was the consternation on all sides when the truth became known. It is expected that more will presently be heard of the matter, as elaborate plans are in operation to recapture the fugitive lovers. It is alleged that the young lady took away some money with her. On Thursday, a pony attached to a trap belonging to Captain Roe, Riverstown, which was being driven towards Yewston, became restive when passing the Provincial Bank, in Peter Street, and plunged violently. The occupants of the trap were Mrs De W. Waller and the Misses Poe. The ladies lost all control of the animal, and Mrs Waller and Miss Poe were dashed to the ground, while the third lady retained her place in the trap until the pony reached Cudville, where it was brought to a stand. Notwithstanding the furious rate at which the animal sped along, young Miss Poe, acted with great coolness and courage. Beyond the breaking of a few straps and a slight scratch on the pony, there was no damage. The ladies escaped with a few bruises. On a day last week Mr.Kennedy, Gurteen, visited Roscrea for the purpose of buying some ponies that were on sale there. He drew a sum of £35 out of the bank, and after paying £5 for the pony he purchases he is alleged to have gone into a yard, and whether he fell asleep or not he either lost all the money except £4 or £5, or it was stolen from him. A young fellow named Deverix has been arrested in connection with the matter. The missing money it appears, has not been found. The case, if completed in the meantime, will be up before the magistrate's at the next Petty Sessions. Died on the 6th inst, at Summerhill, Nenagh, Bridget, the infant child of Dr. Wm. Courtney. 23rd June 1873. A few days ago, while some men were making excavations in the yard at the rere of Golden Grove House, Roscrea, the residence of W.P.Vaughan, Esq., they found a human skeleton in a lying position. Several others have been found in that locality from time to time. It is supposed that the Dane's family made a raid on the town of Roscrea, and that the weaver's apprentices who lived in Bunker's Hill, turned them out and fought from Golden Grove to Leap Castle, and that the bodies that have been discovered, were those who were slain on the occasion. A letter was handed into Nenagh Board of Guardians last week by Tom Shanahan claiming outdoor relief. The application was supported by the signatures of 7 ratepayers, among them the PP of Templederry. The application was refused on the grounds that the Guardian of the Union. Mr. J.D. O'Ryan, objected. Mr.Ardill pressed the matter and the Relieving Officer will be ordered to investigate. Head Constable James McLoughlin summoned Martin Bourke of Ballinkeneally, Ballinahinch for keeping a ferocious dog at large, which bit a man named Dan Ryan. Ryan who is a post boy of letter carrier, said that the dog jumped at him and bit him. The case was tried at Newport Petty Sessions before Wyndham Gabbett, Esq. The defendant said that he would not give his bloodhound for £100. Neither did he mean to kill him or allow him to be killed. Head Constable-If he attacks someone, what will be the consequence?. Defendant-Let them all keep out of the way. The case was adjourned. At Nenagh Petty Sessions, Mary McKeon was sent to jail for a month, as a street beggar and a public nuisance, abusing everybody who refused her money. She was on the outdoor relief list. An aged and broken down schoolmaster, formerly of Templederry, was brought up at Nenagh on a charge of stealing an umbrella. Dr Quinn deposed that he was of weak mind. He was sentenced to a week in prison. Died at the residence of her brother-in-law, James Roche, Esq., Norwood House, Nenagh, Miss Hearne formerly of Clonmel, very much regretted by all who knew her. Died at Portroe, of fever, Mary, eldest daughter of Mr. Michael O'Brien. Died in New York City, Martin Cahill, a native of Roscrea, Co. Tipperary in his 43rd year. 23rd June 1879. Six persons were charged at the Petty Sessions of Fethard on Monday, with riotous conduct in breaking the windows of houses where a woman named Mills, wife of a soldier of the 3rd Dragoon Guards lodged. She had expressed a desire to become a protestant, and had entered protestant worship. The Parish Priest, however called on her, and told her such conduct might produce unpleasantness. She is now safely in the Military Barracks. The parties pleaded guilty and expressed regret, and the case was postponed until next court day to see if there would be a repetition of such conduct. Constable Gallagher and party made a raid on some suspected Public Houses in Nenagh on last Sunday. They searched five licensed premises, in only two of which was there any necessity of issuing summonses for Petty Sessions for next Saturday. In one of the houses, which is in Silver Street, they found two men belonging to John's Lane enjoying themselves as unconcernedly as if Sunday Closing Act had been repealed: In the other house in Pound Street, people were heard inside, but before the police got admission, they, it is alleged, made their escape by the rear. A man from Ballycommon, named Michael Molamphy was picked up in the Street in a state of drunkenness. On Monday, the son of an itinerant tinker had a narrow escape of being drowned in the Newport River. He owes his life to a young chap, who had been fishing, sticking a gaff in his clothes and landing him. The patient is progressing favourably. 26th June 1876. John Stapleton, when coming home from the North Tipperary Assizes with a load of Road Monkey, got drunk, and drove a horse and car furiously along the road to the danger of passengers. He was fined £2 and costs at Borrisoleigh Petty Sessions. Died at the Cottage, Roscrea, Miss Jane Bridge. Died at Dublin Road, Nenagh, after a long illness, Mr. James Wilkinson, aged 47 years. At Nenagh Petty Sessions today, there were six inebriate cases whose fines were either 5/- or 10/-. Some of the defences set up were rather amusing. A woman gave as an excuse that she took a drop extra on the strength of the boys coming home from the militia. Edward Cummins of Ballyhane, said it was to much water he drank and it made him sick. Patrick Gleeson from the Silvermines was for the 150 time brought up. He said he couldn't stop drinking thought he tried to do so by taking the pledge for a couple days. He was let off with a fine of 6d., with costs and a promise of jail on the 152nd charge. _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message