Hi again Michael, When I was in Tipperary I met Michael Heffernan. He has a liquor store in the main Street that runs right through Tipperary Town. He would not be hard to find. He is very with it and knows a lot of the family I will try to find his address but the business is there and he works in the shop. He is of the Mel Gibson Heffernan line. Laraine in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael James" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 12:41 AM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Boherlahan, Cashel > Can anybody help me find a needle in a haystack? I'm trying to locate the > Heffernan family who moved from Synone to Ballinree around 1950's. The > Heffernans would have held/rented land going back to the 1800's up till > the 1950's in Synone/Farranavarra/Boherlahan/Thurlesbeg and Ballinree > area. (About 10 miles south of Thurles) > > This means the Heffernan family would have lived in this area for over 100 > years and just maybe there is somebody who knows something about them or > any living relatives. > > Can anyone put me in contact with a Heffernan in this area I would be > grateful. > > More Details: > I'm looking for a current land owner in Ballinree with the surname > Heffernan who might know the family who sent letters to the U.S from 1880 > to 1950's. > > Associated Heffernan names Margaret Heffernan married Timothy Gooley; > sponsors Anne Colewell.....John Heffernan,Brother Gerald Heffernan and May > Heffernan. > > Three records of Margaret Heffernan and Timothy Gooley's children were > found: > 1. Michael Gooley born in Bally?; sponsor's are Patrick Gooley, and > Catherine Duggan > 2. Mary Gooley born in Ballyfoley (Ballyfowloo); sponsors Patrick Hayden > and Mary Hayden. > 3. Honora Gooley born in Ballycamus; sponsors are Michael Mulloughney and > Ellen McGrath. > > The McGraths are a associated family who lived nearby and might help with > the research with the Heffernans... Patrick McGrath in the Tithe > Applotments for synone/farranavarra , John McGrath Primary Valuation - > camus, and Son John McGrath b1840's emigrated to U.S > > Associated surnames in the area of the Heffernans...McGrath, Gooley, > Pendergast, Ryan, Grant, Lyons. > > Regards, > > Michael > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael. I would also like to be in contact with you and Janet re the Heffernan and Ryan lines please.Probably of list. Did they ever write to Australia Laraine in Oz

Michael Just looked at the Eircom phone directory. http://www.eircomphonebook.ie/search.ds There is a Richd Heffernan listed at Grange Ballinree Boherlahan Tipperary (0504)41200 It may be worthwhile to write or phone. Regards Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael James" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Maher - Heffernan - Thurles (more) > Janet, I would like to be in contact with you in relation to Irish > immigration to New Haven. My family is from New Haven, CT and came from > Cashel, Tipperary. The family names are McGrath, Gooley, Heffernan, > Pendergast and Ryan. All common names in Tipperary and New Haven, CT > except Gooley. I believe New Haven was a gateway for Tipperary immigrants > such as some areas of Upstate New York (Syracuse & Troy). I have a couple > of sources that may be helpful to you. > > My Heffernan side never made it to the US and continued to send letters to > New Haven up until the 1950's. They were from Synone and moved to > Ballinree, Cashel Tipperary. I am still trying to locate that family if > anybody can help. > > Regards, > > Michael > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 449 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Can anybody help me find a needle in a haystack? I'm trying to locate the Heffernan family who moved from Synone to Ballinree around 1950's. The Heffernans would have held/rented land going back to the 1800's up till the 1950's in Synone/Farranavarra/Boherlahan/Thurlesbeg and Ballinree area. (About 10 miles south of Thurles) This means the Heffernan family would have lived in this area for over 100 years and just maybe there is somebody who knows something about them or any living relatives. Can anyone put me in contact with a Heffernan in this area I would be grateful. More Details: I'm looking for a current land owner in Ballinree with the surname Heffernan who might know the family who sent letters to the U.S from 1880 to 1950's. Associated Heffernan names Margaret Heffernan married Timothy Gooley; sponsors Anne Colewell.....John Heffernan,Brother Gerald Heffernan and May Heffernan. Three records of Margaret Heffernan and Timothy Gooley's children were found: 1. Michael Gooley born in Bally?; sponsor's are Patrick Gooley, and Catherine Duggan 2. Mary Gooley born in Ballyfoley (Ballyfowloo); sponsors Patrick Hayden and Mary Hayden. 3. Honora Gooley born in Ballycamus; sponsors are Michael Mulloughney and Ellen McGrath. The McGraths are a associated family who lived nearby and might help with the research with the Heffernans... Patrick McGrath in the Tithe Applotments for synone/farranavarra , John McGrath Primary Valuation - camus, and Son John McGrath b1840's emigrated to U.S Associated surnames in the area of the Heffernans...McGrath, Gooley, Pendergast, Ryan, Grant, Lyons. Regards, Michael

Hello Janet, Re a letter 1864 from Thomas Maher to his brother where he says " I wonder if Michael has any notion of coming over again.?" Could this be a "Heffernan" he is asking about my G.G Grandfather Michael Heffernan was in America pre 1864 where a son Thomas was born. He did not go back he came to Australia in place. Regards Laraine in OZ

Janet, I would like to be in contact with you in relation to Irish immigration to New Haven. My family is from New Haven, CT and came from Cashel, Tipperary. The family names are McGrath, Gooley, Heffernan, Pendergast and Ryan. All common names in Tipperary and New Haven, CT except Gooley. I believe New Haven was a gateway for Tipperary immigrants such as some areas of Upstate New York (Syracuse & Troy). I have a couple of sources that may be helpful to you. My Heffernan side never made it to the US and continued to send letters to New Haven up until the 1950's. They were from Synone and moved to Ballinree, Cashel Tipperary. I am still trying to locate that family if anybody can help. Regards, Michael

Michael, much as I would love to help, it is out of my area and so don't have any records to help you. Have you gone through TFHR? What did they give you? Janet ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael James" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:45 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Maher - Heffernan - Thurles (more) > Janet, I would like to be in contact with you in relation to Irish > immigration to New Haven. My family is from New Haven, CT and came from > Cashel, Tipperary. The family names are McGrath, Gooley, Heffernan, > Pendergast and Ryan. All common names in Tipperary and New Haven, CT > except Gooley. I believe New Haven was a gateway for Tipperary immigrants > such as some areas of Upstate New York (Syracuse & Troy). I have a couple > of sources that may be helpful to you. > > My Heffernan side never made it to the US and continued to send letters to > New Haven up until the 1950's. They were from Synone and moved to > Ballinree, Cashel Tipperary. I am still trying to locate that family if > anybody can help. > > Regards, > > Michael > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.0.374 / Virus Database: 270.13.0/2210 - Release Date: 06/30/09 06:10:00

Michael, I have replied to you off list. Per this question, you might research into families that emigrated before the 1880s. So many names repeated and people settled everywhere, so these are a very long shot, but: In St. Bernard Cemetery, West Haven, CT, there is a tombstone for a Patrick Maher (not my Patrick), from Boherlahan, Tipperary, who died in 1875 at age 45. I also have photographed a tombstone there for Bridget Heffran, County Meath, who died in 1873. In my research (which has been put on hold for now) about Civil War participants, there was an Edward Hefferan who mustered in as a private from Derby, CT, on Sept.27, 1861. Also on that day Daniel Hefferan mustered in from New Haven as a Sgt. [Note: Derby and West Haven, both part of New Haven County, are very close.] My research is about the early Irish families who came to New Haven County. My great great grandparents (Maher/Butler) settled there in 1841/42. I recommend looking into the web site of Jane Lyons (From Ireland). -Janet Maher On 6/30/09 10:41 AM, "Michael James" <[email protected]> wrote: > Can anybody help me find a needle in a haystack? I'm trying to locate the > Heffernan family who moved from Synone to Ballinree around 1950's. The > Heffernans would have held/rented land going back to the 1800's up till the > 1950's in Synone/Farranavarra/Boherlahan/Thurlesbeg and Ballinree area. (About > 10 miles south of Thurles) > > This means the Heffernan family would have lived in this area for over 100 > years and just maybe there is somebody who knows something about them or any > living relatives. > > Can anyone put me in contact with a Heffernan in this area I would be > grateful. > > More Details: > I'm looking for a current land owner in Ballinree with the surname Heffernan > who might know the family who sent letters to the U.S from 1880 to 1950's. > > Associated Heffernan names Margaret Heffernan married Timothy Gooley; sponsors > Anne Colewell.....John Heffernan,Brother Gerald Heffernan and May Heffernan. > > Three records of Margaret Heffernan and Timothy Gooley's children were found: > 1. Michael Gooley born in Bally?; sponsor's are Patrick Gooley, and Catherine > Duggan > 2. Mary Gooley born in Ballyfoley (Ballyfowloo); sponsors Patrick Hayden and > Mary Hayden. > 3. Honora Gooley born in Ballycamus; sponsors are Michael Mulloughney and > Ellen McGrath. > > The McGraths are a associated family who lived nearby and might help with the > research with the Heffernans... Patrick McGrath in the Tithe Applotments for > synone/farranavarra , John McGrath Primary Valuation - camus, and Son John > McGrath b1840's emigrated to U.S > > Associated surnames in the area of the Heffernans...McGrath, Gooley, > Pendergast, Ryan, Grant, Lyons. > > Regards, > > Michael > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Someone related to one of the Maher lines that first appeared in the mid nineteenth century, Naugatuck, CT, where my family arrived ca. 1841, has begun to send me transcriptions of letters that had been sent back and forth between America and Ireland in the mid nineteenth century. I am trying to figure out exactly where the writer of most of the letters was from, possibly Queen's County, (per Griffiths research) but not sure. Some things mentioned are: (1856, Timothy Meagher to Thomas Meagher) "Let me know how all my neighbors are getting on, especially the Heffernans and the Russells and also let me know how my neighbors in foreign lands [are] getting on." (1861, from Thomas Meagher to his brother) "The pleasure I have in this country is to go to see the Irish folks that live around me when Sunday comes. They all [like] me well and most of them are from Tipperary." (1864, from Thomas Maher to his brother) "...let me know how all inquiring friends and neighbors are and how they are all in [Thurles] and the hollows and if Michael has any notion of coming to this country again there is a good deal of immigrating to this country these times." (1864,to Anthony Maher from John Heffernan, Saratoga County, NY) "Let me know how Richard Condon and family is...William Heffernan and family...Michael Moloney and family...the widow Conway and family...Denis Conway and family...Patrick Ryan at the river and family is." -Janet Maher (http://www.artmattersonline.net)

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Hi! I am looking for help in sorting out my husband's Hayden family, which appears to trace back to Nenagh, Tipperary in the 1860s. Here is what I have pieced together thus far: Dermot Joseph (or Joseph Dermot) Hayden was born 30 April 1911 (or 1912) at Ballinasloe, County Galway. He had at least two siblings: Margaret Mary Pauline and Martin Cecil Arthur. Their parents were Michael A. Hayden, who, according to the 1911 census, was born at Nenagh around 1866, and Margaret Mary, born in County Galway about 1874. (Her maiden name would have been Fahy). Also on the 1911 census for Ballinasloe, was a Josephine Mary Hayden, single, also born about 1866 at Nenagh. She was a hotel proprietess on Dunlo Street in Ballinasloe. This would most likely have been Haydens Hotel there, as my mother-in-law stated that her father was somehow related to the Haydens who ran that establishment. On an abstract of the 1901 census, I found Josephine and Michael together on Dunlo Street, again she is running a hotel. This leads me to think they are siblings. In 1894, there was a Margaret Hayden running a hotel on Dunlo Street, I believe she may have been their mother. Working back to Tipperary, I see several Hayden families, all with similar names. I believe Michael A. and Josephine Mary may be the children of Martin Hayden and Margaret Turner. They probably sould have had additional siblings, in particular a sister who married a Turner and had at least two sons; Paddy and Stanley. Any help in establishing (or picking apart!) relationships, additional details, or even where to search for further information, particularly good webvsites with information for Nenagh and Tipperary in general, would be deeply appreciated. Thanks in advance for any and all help. Every little bit helps! Joni Vella Cudahy, Wisconsin _________________________________________________________________ Lauren found her dream laptop. Find the PC that’s right for you. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/choosepc/?ocid=ftp_val_wl_290

Hi Rosemary, Yes I do have this.? I should tell you that there is no stone at Greenmount nor an obit.? Samuel and his wife Maria came to Philadelphia in 1883, I believe to work for the Sugar Co.? He had worked for Havemeyer Sugar Co. in Brooklyn.? I don't know whether the fire at Havemeyer in 1882 had any thing to do with the move, but they were definitely in Philadelphia sometime in 1883.? Family lore has it that Samuel was injured by falling sugar on the docks.?The odd thing is that he is listed as a "weaver" in the 1885 Philadelphia directory.? His wife opened a trimmings business.? I think he couldn't work outside of the house after his accident.? He died just before Christmas of 1884.?? Within two years, Maria remarried and by 1890 she had found German husbands for her daughters.? I have never been able to find any relatives for Samuel either in Brooklyn or in Philadelphia.? There was a John Rawlins in Philadelphia, who repaired looms, but I never found any more info on him? than an entry in a later directory.? There are several Rawlins families in Brooklyn but none that seem to have anything to do with my Samuel. The 1880 census states that Samuel was born in Ireland to English parents.? There are two families...one in Dublin..who ended up in Tipperary and one in Cork that appear to hold possibilities from the little family info that we have.? Surely, this man MUST have had someone who might know of his existence out there!!! Thanks so much for your help.? Any ideas are welcome. I sound like a desparate gggranddaughter don't I? Regards, Bev W -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, Jun 26, 2009 5:35 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] IRL-TIPPERARY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 150 hi bev w i don't know if you have this already but here is some additional info for your samuel rawlins death. he was born 1844 he was a sugar inspector he lived at 2022 front street philadelphia he was buried at greenmount cemetery on December 23, 1884 he died from mitral valve regurgitation due to aortic stenosis rosemary leach In a message dated 6/26/2009 3:20:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: When replying to digest posts - remember to snip all but a line or two. Also - Change the SUBJECT! Today's Topics: 1. What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? (Estelle Daniels) 2. Re: What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? ([email protected]) 3. Re: What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? (Geralyn Barry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:02:30 +1000 From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-TIP] What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hello Listers, I was wondering if anyone knew what an/the ?American-Irish? newspaper was? I found a transcription of interest on the following page - and was wondering if the death would have occurred in America, or in Ireland. Perhaps it was to inform family and friends in America. Would the paper have been published in America or Ireland? The death transcriptions seem to be for all over Ireland, but I also noticed other places eg San Francisco. <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/IRISH%20DEATHS%20 1887.html> Thank you for any comments, Estelle (in Australia) _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest news, goss and sport Make ninemsn your homepage! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=813730 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:35:00 -0400 From: use [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Estelle, I am curious about this as well.? I believe that there was such a paper out of Boston.? I do know that I have seen deaths of Irish men and women living in America posted in the Nenagh Guardian (reading from Mary's posts).? My own great geat grandfather, Samuel Rawlins, died on 12/20/1884 in Philadelphia, Pa. USA but we have never found an obit in larger area papers.? Samuel was only about 40. I do know that some obits were also sent to the US.? An obit for Ellen Colgan Rawlins, who died near Dublin in the late 1880s appeared in New York papers.? It would be wonderful to find out more. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02 am Subject: [IRL-TIP] What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? ello Listers, I was wondering if anyone knew what an/the ?American-Irish? newspaper was? I found a transcription of interest on the following page - and was wondering if he death would have occurred in America, or in Ireland. Perhaps it was to nform family and friends in America. Would the paper have been published in merica or Ireland? The death transcriptions seem to be for all over Ireland, but I also noticed ther places eg San Francisco. <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/IRISH%20DEATHS%20 1887.html> Thank you for any comments, Estelle (in Australia) _________________________________________________________________ et th e latest news, goss and sport Make ninemsn your homepage! ttp://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=813730 ______________________________________________________ riffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an e mail to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:31:07 -0700 From: Geralyn Barry <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I believe this should be "The Irish-American" newspaper, which was published weekly in New York City between 1849 and 1915. The webpage Estelle referred to in her email can be reached from the main page at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/Index%20of%20Ameri can%20Irish%20Newspaper.html That page has a short description of "The Irish-American" newspaper and implies that all the links on that page contain material from that newspaper, including the page Estelle found - despite the confusing fact that on several of those pages, the name "American Irish" is used! The newspaper's title naturally gives rise to a little confusion, since there were many generically Irish American newspapers in the US (for example, The Boston Pilot) - newspapers aimed at the Irish living in "America" (the US usually). But this particular newspaper was called *The* Irish-American and was published in New York City. Patrick Lynch (b. 1811 Co. Kilkenny, Ireland) was the founder of "The Irish-American". When he died in 1857, his step-son Patrick J. Meehan (b. 1831 Co. Limerick, Ireland) took over as editor. Upon his death in 1906, he was succeeded by his son Thomas F. Meehan (b. 1854 Brooklyn, New York, USA), who ended publication of the newspaper in 1915 and went on to other publishing jobs. The papers of Thomas F. Meehan are at Georgetown University. There is a brief history of the newspaper and a description of Meehan at http://www.library.georgetown.edu/dept/speccoll/cl213.htm. Links there have more information about the contents of the Meehan collection at Georgetown. "The Irish-American" newspaper is also mentioned in an article about Catholic newspapers in the US at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11692a.htm. That article concentrates on Catholic newspapers in the US and has a brief history of them. Other Irish American newspapers are also mentioned in that article (search for the word Irish on that page). "The Irish-American" newspaper itself is on microfilm at several repositories in the US. The last time I checked, it was at the New York Public Library (19 reels), Villanova University (Philadelphia area - 4 reels), Emory University (Atlanta, Georgia) and the New York State Library (which might offer interlibrary loan). This is certainly not a complete list. The newspaper's name again causes problems - it is a hard search term to use because the words "Irish American" are so ubiquitous. (I often search on Meehan or Lynch also, but there are still difficulties.) Earlier this year, I made a post to the Galway list (see http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/IRL-GALWAY/2009-03/1236015561) about the Kentucky Irish American newspaper (published in Louisville KY). In that post, I included some ideas for locating microfilm copies of local Irish American newspapers. Quite a few Irish American newspapers were published in the US, especially in the latter half of the 1800s and early 1900s. Some of them had wide circulation among the Irish in the US, and perhaps outside the US - way beyond the locations where they were published. So don't think an Irish American newspaper published in New York City has nothing in it about your ancestors who lived in other places (like Chicago or California, or even Australia). These papers published obituaries of people who died in Ireland - usually prominent people or relatives of people who were prominent locally, even though the connection might not be stated. Many Irish American newspapers also carried ads placed by peo ple looking for their relatives or friends who had emigrated to the US - often years before the ad appeared. These ads were often placed by newly arrived immigrants searching for their brothers, sisters, husbands or friends with whom they had lost contact. Either they had an earlier address and did not find them in there, or they had no idea where to look in such a large country. So they placed an ad in one of the Irish American newspapers that had national circulation. One of my relatives did this, and in a census a year later, I find the two families (the seeker and the "lost" family) living next to each other. So I have proof that the ads actually worked! Some people on the Tipperary list are probably familiar with the "Search for Missing Friends" series of books (now online) that index the "Information Wanted" ads that appeared in the Boston Pilot (another Irish American newspaper). Similar ads from the New York based newspaper "The Irish-American" are indexed in the book "Irish Relatives and Friends" (comp. Laura Murphy DeGrazia & Diane Fitzpatrick Haberstroh). Those same compilers covered ads puslished between 1825 and 1844 in "The Truth Teller" (another New York based Irish American newspaper - New York's first Catholic newspaper) in their book "Voices of the Irish Immigrant" (2005). The latter book by DeGrazia and Haberstroh also has an interesting introduction that includes background about "The Truth Teller" and its founders - William Eusebius Andrews, George Pardow and William Denman. Ads from all these sources often include former place of residence in Ireland, approximate year of emigration and sometimes name of ship and last known address in the US. Often, Irish booksellers in an area with a large Irish population might serve as contact for the person placing the ad (they also sold the paper and forwarded ads for publication to the newspaper's office). A relative of mine who lived in Paterson, New Jersey (Bernard O'Neill, originally from Cou nty Derry, Ireland) was a bookseller and is mentioned as contact person in several ads for people with connections to Paterson who appear in "Irish Relatives and Friends". Irish American newspapers featured many things of interest to the Irish community besides these ads, including news from Ireland (e.g., the death announcements Estelle found) and local news of interest to the Irish community (often Catholic, but not necessarily - the content usually depended on the focus of the founder or editor). Obits of local Irish Americans in Irish American newspapers sometimes went into much more detail than the regular local newspaper and are worth looking for, especially in large cities, where the coverage in the main papers is often limited to a single line in a "Deaths" column. I have an interest in Irish-American newspapers in the US, including their founders, publishers and editors, and a particular interest in "The Irish-American" and the Lynch and Meehan families, along with their friend and fellow publisher Patrick Martin Haverty (also based in New York City). The Meehan and Haverty families lived next door to each other in Jersey City, New Jersey - just a short ferry ride from New York City. The book "More Irish Families" by Edward MacLysaght (1960) says this about Haverty on p. 139 - "Patrick Martin Haverty (1824-1901), the Galway born American publisher of many Irish historical and musical works, who took part in the Young Ireland movement at home and in the Civil War in America, has been described as the "best known Irishman in America"." I made a post to the Tipperary list last year about several former members of the Young Ireland movement who later lived in Jersey City, New Jersey, including Meehan, Haverty and Thomas Clarke Luby. That post is at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-TIPPERARY/2008-10/1223682266. Several of the Young Irelanders are very well known, and a lot has been written about them - particularly the famous nine who we re sentenced to death, but later transported, and ended up as prominent men in the places where they eventually settled - see http://www.erinsweb.com/ww_irish_trivia1.html for a list of those and their eventual positions as generals, governors, etc. If anyone knows of other Young Irelanders who ended up in the New York-New Jersey area, I would like to hear from you. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA Estelle Daniels wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I was wondering if anyone knew what an/the ?American-Irish? newspaper was? > > I found a transcription of interest on the following page - and was wondering if the death would have occurred in America, or in Ireland. Perhaps it was to inform family and friends in America. Would the paper have been published in America or Ireland? > > > The death transcriptions seem to be for all over Ireland, but I also noticed other places eg San Francisco. > > > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/IRISH%20DEATHS%201887.html> > > Thank you for any comments, > > Estelle > > (in Australia) > ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the IRL-TIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-TIPPERARY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 150 ********************************************* **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. 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hi bev w i don't know if you have this already but here is some additional info for your samuel rawlins death. he was born 1844 he was a sugar inspector he lived at 2022 front street philadelphia he was buried at greenmount cemetery on December 23, 1884 he died from mitral valve regurgitation due to aortic stenosis rosemary leach In a message dated 6/26/2009 3:20:24 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: When replying to digest posts - remember to snip all but a line or two. Also - Change the SUBJECT! Today's Topics: 1. What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? (Estelle Daniels) 2. Re: What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? ([email protected]) 3. Re: What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? (Geralyn Barry) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 17:02:30 +1000 From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-TIP] What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? To: <[email protected]> Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Hello Listers, I was wondering if anyone knew what an/the ?American-Irish? newspaper was? I found a transcription of interest on the following page - and was wondering if the death would have occurred in America, or in Ireland. Perhaps it was to inform family and friends in America. Would the paper have been published in America or Ireland? The death transcriptions seem to be for all over Ireland, but I also noticed other places eg San Francisco. <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/IRISH%20DEATHS%20 1887.html> Thank you for any comments, Estelle (in Australia) _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest news, goss and sport Make ninemsn your homepage! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=813730 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 05:35:00 -0400 From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Estelle, I am curious about this as well.? I believe that there was such a paper out of Boston.? I do know that I have seen deaths of Irish men and women living in America posted in the Nenagh Guardian (reading from Mary's posts).? My own great geat grandfather, Samuel Rawlins, died on 12/20/1884 in Philadelphia, Pa. USA but we have never found an obit in larger area papers.? Samuel was only about 40. I do know that some obits were also sent to the US.? An obit for Ellen Colgan Rawlins, who died near Dublin in the late 1880s appeared in New York papers.? It would be wonderful to find out more. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02 am Subject: [IRL-TIP] What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? ello Listers, I was wondering if anyone knew what an/the ?American-Irish? newspaper was? I found a transcription of interest on the following page - and was wondering if he death would have occurred in America, or in Ireland. Perhaps it was to nform family and friends in America. Would the paper have been published in merica or Ireland? The death transcriptions seem to be for all over Ireland, but I also noticed ther places eg San Francisco. <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/IRISH%20DEATHS%20 1887.html> Thank you for any comments, Estelle (in Australia) _________________________________________________________________ et th e latest news, goss and sport Make ninemsn your homepage! ttp://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=813730 ______________________________________________________ riffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 10:31:07 -0700 From: Geralyn Barry <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed I believe this should be "The Irish-American" newspaper, which was published weekly in New York City between 1849 and 1915. The webpage Estelle referred to in her email can be reached from the main page at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/Index%20of%20Ameri can%20Irish%20Newspaper.html That page has a short description of "The Irish-American" newspaper and implies that all the links on that page contain material from that newspaper, including the page Estelle found - despite the confusing fact that on several of those pages, the name "American Irish" is used! The newspaper's title naturally gives rise to a little confusion, since there were many generically Irish American newspapers in the US (for example, The Boston Pilot) - newspapers aimed at the Irish living in "America" (the US usually). But this particular newspaper was called *The* Irish-American and was published in New York City. Patrick Lynch (b. 1811 Co. Kilkenny, Ireland) was the founder of "The Irish-American". When he died in 1857, his step-son Patrick J. Meehan (b. 1831 Co. Limerick, Ireland) took over as editor. Upon his death in 1906, he was succeeded by his son Thomas F. Meehan (b. 1854 Brooklyn, New York, USA), who ended publication of the newspaper in 1915 and went on to other publishing jobs. The papers of Thomas F. Meehan are at Georgetown University. There is a brief history of the newspaper and a description of Meehan at http://www.library.georgetown.edu/dept/speccoll/cl213.htm. Links there have more information about the contents of the Meehan collection at Georgetown. "The Irish-American" newspaper is also mentioned in an article about Catholic newspapers in the US at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11692a.htm. That article concentrates on Catholic newspapers in the US and has a brief history of them. Other Irish American newspapers are also mentioned in that article (search for the word Irish on that page). "The Irish-American" newspaper itself is on microfilm at several repositories in the US. The last time I checked, it was at the New York Public Library (19 reels), Villanova University (Philadelphia area - 4 reels), Emory University (Atlanta, Georgia) and the New York State Library (which might offer interlibrary loan). This is certainly not a complete list. The newspaper's name again causes problems - it is a hard search term to use because the words "Irish American" are so ubiquitous. (I often search on Meehan or Lynch also, but there are still difficulties.) Earlier this year, I made a post to the Galway list (see http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/IRL-GALWAY/2009-03/1236015561) about the Kentucky Irish American newspaper (published in Louisville KY). In that post, I included some ideas for locating microfilm copies of local Irish American newspapers. Quite a few Irish American newspapers were published in the US, especially in the latter half of the 1800s and early 1900s. Some of them had wide circulation among the Irish in the US, and perhaps outside the US - way beyond the locations where they were published. So don't think an Irish American newspaper published in New York City has nothing in it about your ancestors who lived in other places (like Chicago or California, or even Australia). These papers published obituaries of people who died in Ireland - usually prominent people or relatives of people who were prominent locally, even though the connection might not be stated. Many Irish American newspapers also carried ads placed by people looking for their relatives or friends who had emigrated to the US - often years before the ad appeared. These ads were often placed by newly arrived immigrants searching for their brothers, sisters, husbands or friends with whom they had lost contact. Either they had an earlier address and did not find them in there, or they had no idea where to look in such a large country. So they placed an ad in one of the Irish American newspapers that had national circulation. One of my relatives did this, and in a census a year later, I find the two families (the seeker and the "lost" family) living next to each other. So I have proof that the ads actually worked! Some people on the Tipperary list are probably familiar with the "Search for Missing Friends" series of books (now online) that index the "Information Wanted" ads that appeared in the Boston Pilot (another Irish American newspaper). Similar ads from the New York based newspaper "The Irish-American" are indexed in the book "Irish Relatives and Friends" (comp. Laura Murphy DeGrazia & Diane Fitzpatrick Haberstroh). Those same compilers covered ads puslished between 1825 and 1844 in "The Truth Teller" (another New York based Irish American newspaper - New York's first Catholic newspaper) in their book "Voices of the Irish Immigrant" (2005). The latter book by DeGrazia and Haberstroh also has an interesting introduction that includes background about "The Truth Teller" and its founders - William Eusebius Andrews, George Pardow and William Denman. Ads from all these sources often include former place of residence in Ireland, approximate year of emigration and sometimes name of ship and last known address in the US. Often, Irish booksellers in an area with a large Irish population might serve as contact for the person placing the ad (they also sold the paper and forwarded ads for publication to the newspaper's office). A relative of mine who lived in Paterson, New Jersey (Bernard O'Neill, originally from County Derry, Ireland) was a bookseller and is mentioned as contact person in several ads for people with connections to Paterson who appear in "Irish Relatives and Friends". Irish American newspapers featured many things of interest to the Irish community besides these ads, including news from Ireland (e.g., the death announcements Estelle found) and local news of interest to the Irish community (often Catholic, but not necessarily - the content usually depended on the focus of the founder or editor). Obits of local Irish Americans in Irish American newspapers sometimes went into much more detail than the regular local newspaper and are worth looking for, especially in large cities, where the coverage in the main papers is often limited to a single line in a "Deaths" column. I have an interest in Irish-American newspapers in the US, including their founders, publishers and editors, and a particular interest in "The Irish-American" and the Lynch and Meehan families, along with their friend and fellow publisher Patrick Martin Haverty (also based in New York City). The Meehan and Haverty families lived next door to each other in Jersey City, New Jersey - just a short ferry ride from New York City. The book "More Irish Families" by Edward MacLysaght (1960) says this about Haverty on p. 139 - "Patrick Martin Haverty (1824-1901), the Galway born American publisher of many Irish historical and musical works, who took part in the Young Ireland movement at home and in the Civil War in America, has been described as the "best known Irishman in America"." I made a post to the Tipperary list last year about several former members of the Young Ireland movement who later lived in Jersey City, New Jersey, including Meehan, Haverty and Thomas Clarke Luby. That post is at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-TIPPERARY/2008-10/1223682266. Several of the Young Irelanders are very well known, and a lot has been written about them - particularly the famous nine who were sentenced to death, but later transported, and ended up as prominent men in the places where they eventually settled - see http://www.erinsweb.com/ww_irish_trivia1.html for a list of those and their eventual positions as generals, governors, etc. If anyone knows of other Young Irelanders who ended up in the New York-New Jersey area, I would like to hear from you. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA Estelle Daniels wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I was wondering if anyone knew what an/the ?American-Irish? newspaper was? > > I found a transcription of interest on the following page - and was wondering if the death would have occurred in America, or in Ireland. Perhaps it was to inform family and friends in America. Would the paper have been published in America or Ireland? > > > The death transcriptions seem to be for all over Ireland, but I also noticed other places eg San Francisco. > > > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/IRISH%20DEATHS%201887.html> > > Thank you for any comments, > > Estelle > > (in Australia) > ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-TIPPERARY list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the IRL-TIPPERARY mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-TIPPERARY Digest, Vol 4, Issue 150 ********************************************* **************Make your summer sizzle with fast and easy recipes for the grill. 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Hello Listers, I was wondering if anyone knew what an/the “American-Irish” newspaper was? I found a transcription of interest on the following page - and was wondering if the death would have occurred in America, or in Ireland. Perhaps it was to inform family and friends in America. Would the paper have been published in America or Ireland? The death transcriptions seem to be for all over Ireland, but I also noticed other places eg San Francisco. <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/IRISH%20DEATHS%201887.html> Thank you for any comments, Estelle (in Australia) _________________________________________________________________ Get the latest news, goss and sport Make ninemsn your homepage! http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=813730

I believe this should be "The Irish-American" newspaper, which was published weekly in New York City between 1849 and 1915. The webpage Estelle referred to in her email can be reached from the main page at http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/Index%20of%20American%20Irish%20Newspaper.html That page has a short description of "The Irish-American" newspaper and implies that all the links on that page contain material from that newspaper, including the page Estelle found - despite the confusing fact that on several of those pages, the name "American Irish" is used! The newspaper's title naturally gives rise to a little confusion, since there were many generically Irish American newspapers in the US (for example, The Boston Pilot) - newspapers aimed at the Irish living in "America" (the US usually). But this particular newspaper was called *The* Irish-American and was published in New York City. Patrick Lynch (b. 1811 Co. Kilkenny, Ireland) was the founder of "The Irish-American". When he died in 1857, his step-son Patrick J. Meehan (b. 1831 Co. Limerick, Ireland) took over as editor. Upon his death in 1906, he was succeeded by his son Thomas F. Meehan (b. 1854 Brooklyn, New York, USA), who ended publication of the newspaper in 1915 and went on to other publishing jobs. The papers of Thomas F. Meehan are at Georgetown University. There is a brief history of the newspaper and a description of Meehan at http://www.library.georgetown.edu/dept/speccoll/cl213.htm. Links there have more information about the contents of the Meehan collection at Georgetown. "The Irish-American" newspaper is also mentioned in an article about Catholic newspapers in the US at http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11692a.htm. That article concentrates on Catholic newspapers in the US and has a brief history of them. Other Irish American newspapers are also mentioned in that article (search for the word Irish on that page). "The Irish-American" newspaper itself is on microfilm at several repositories in the US. The last time I checked, it was at the New York Public Library (19 reels), Villanova University (Philadelphia area - 4 reels), Emory University (Atlanta, Georgia) and the New York State Library (which might offer interlibrary loan). This is certainly not a complete list. The newspaper's name again causes problems - it is a hard search term to use because the words "Irish American" are so ubiquitous. (I often search on Meehan or Lynch also, but there are still difficulties.) Earlier this year, I made a post to the Galway list (see http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/IRL-GALWAY/2009-03/1236015561) about the Kentucky Irish American newspaper (published in Louisville KY). In that post, I included some ideas for locating microfilm copies of local Irish American newspapers. Quite a few Irish American newspapers were published in the US, especially in the latter half of the 1800s and early 1900s. Some of them had wide circulation among the Irish in the US, and perhaps outside the US - way beyond the locations where they were published. So don't think an Irish American newspaper published in New York City has nothing in it about your ancestors who lived in other places (like Chicago or California, or even Australia). These papers published obituaries of people who died in Ireland - usually prominent people or relatives of people who were prominent locally, even though the connection might not be stated. Many Irish American newspapers also carried ads placed by people looking for their relatives or friends who had emigrated to the US - often years before the ad appeared. These ads were often placed by newly arrived immigrants searching for their brothers, sisters, husbands or friends with whom they had lost contact. Either they had an earlier address and did not find them in there, or they had no idea where to look in such a large country. So they placed an ad in one of the Irish American newspapers that had national circulation. One of my relatives did this, and in a census a year later, I find the two families (the seeker and the "lost" family) living next to each other. So I have proof that the ads actually worked! Some people on the Tipperary list are probably familiar with the "Search for Missing Friends" series of books (now online) that index the "Information Wanted" ads that appeared in the Boston Pilot (another Irish American newspaper). Similar ads from the New York based newspaper "The Irish-American" are indexed in the book "Irish Relatives and Friends" (comp. Laura Murphy DeGrazia & Diane Fitzpatrick Haberstroh). Those same compilers covered ads puslished between 1825 and 1844 in "The Truth Teller" (another New York based Irish American newspaper - New York's first Catholic newspaper) in their book "Voices of the Irish Immigrant" (2005). The latter book by DeGrazia and Haberstroh also has an interesting introduction that includes background about "The Truth Teller" and its founders - William Eusebius Andrews, George Pardow and William Denman. Ads from all these sources often include former place of residence in Ireland, approximate year of emigration and sometimes name of ship and last known address in the US. Often, Irish booksellers in an area with a large Irish population might serve as contact for the person placing the ad (they also sold the paper and forwarded ads for publication to the newspaper's office). A relative of mine who lived in Paterson, New Jersey (Bernard O'Neill, originally from County Derry, Ireland) was a bookseller and is mentioned as contact person in several ads for people with connections to Paterson who appear in "Irish Relatives and Friends". Irish American newspapers featured many things of interest to the Irish community besides these ads, including news from Ireland (e.g., the death announcements Estelle found) and local news of interest to the Irish community (often Catholic, but not necessarily - the content usually depended on the focus of the founder or editor). Obits of local Irish Americans in Irish American newspapers sometimes went into much more detail than the regular local newspaper and are worth looking for, especially in large cities, where the coverage in the main papers is often limited to a single line in a "Deaths" column. I have an interest in Irish-American newspapers in the US, including their founders, publishers and editors, and a particular interest in "The Irish-American" and the Lynch and Meehan families, along with their friend and fellow publisher Patrick Martin Haverty (also based in New York City). The Meehan and Haverty families lived next door to each other in Jersey City, New Jersey - just a short ferry ride from New York City. The book "More Irish Families" by Edward MacLysaght (1960) says this about Haverty on p. 139 - "Patrick Martin Haverty (1824-1901), the Galway born American publisher of many Irish historical and musical works, who took part in the Young Ireland movement at home and in the Civil War in America, has been described as the "best known Irishman in America"." I made a post to the Tipperary list last year about several former members of the Young Ireland movement who later lived in Jersey City, New Jersey, including Meehan, Haverty and Thomas Clarke Luby. That post is at http://listsearches.rootsweb.com/th/read/IRL-TIPPERARY/2008-10/1223682266. Several of the Young Irelanders are very well known, and a lot has been written about them - particularly the famous nine who were sentenced to death, but later transported, and ended up as prominent men in the places where they eventually settled - see http://www.erinsweb.com/ww_irish_trivia1.html for a list of those and their eventual positions as generals, governors, etc. If anyone knows of other Young Irelanders who ended up in the New York-New Jersey area, I would like to hear from you. Geralyn Wood Barry in Oregon, USA Estelle Daniels wrote: > Hello Listers, > > I was wondering if anyone knew what an/the “American-Irish” newspaper was? > > I found a transcription of interest on the following page - and was wondering if the death would have occurred in America, or in Ireland. Perhaps it was to inform family and friends in America. Would the paper have been published in America or Ireland? > > > The death transcriptions seem to be for all over Ireland, but I also noticed other places eg San Francisco. > > > <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/IRISH%20DEATHS%201887.html> > > Thank you for any comments, > > Estelle > > (in Australia) >

Hi Estelle, I am curious about this as well.  I believe that there was such a paper out of Boston.  I do know that I have seen deaths of Irish men and women living in America posted in the Nenagh Guardian (reading from Mary's posts).  My own great geat grandfather, Samuel Rawlins, died on 12/20/1884 in Philadelphia, Pa. USA but we have never found an obit in larger area papers.  Samuel was only about 40. I do know that some obits were also sent to the US.  An obit for Ellen Colgan Rawlins, who died near Dublin in the late 1880s appeared in New York papers.  It would be wonderful to find out more. Bev W -----Original Message----- From: Estelle Daniels <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2009 3:02 am Subject: [IRL-TIP] What is - "American-Irish" newspaper? ello Listers, I was wondering if anyone knew what an/the “American-Irish” newspaper was? I found a transcription of interest on the following page - and was wondering if he death would have occurred in America, or in Ireland. Perhaps it was to nform family and friends in America. Would the paper have been published in merica or Ireland? The death transcriptions seem to be for all over Ireland, but I also noticed ther places eg San Francisco. <http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nyirish/IRISH%20DEATHS%201887.html> Thank you for any comments, Estelle (in Australia) _________________________________________________________________ et th e latest news, goss and sport Make ninemsn your homepage! ttp://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=813730 ______________________________________________________ riffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Thank you all, I believe it is in this case spam. They ay have picked me up on a bill board. There have been many such emails coming in from Banks and similar organization recently in Australia I have ignored them and blocked them. Laraine

Thanks Steve. Laraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Franklin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 24, 2009 9:11 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] research > laraine dillon wrote: >> Hello again list, >> I have just received a second suspicious email claiming to come from >> Tipperary Family Research and One Sandra at [email protected] could >> anyone confirm if this is spam or legitimate please. >> Christina Help. >> Laraine In Oz >> > Laraine, you could email the TFHR directly, and ask them. > > Steve > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello again list, I have just received a second suspicious email claiming to come from Tipperary Family Research and One Sandra at [email protected] could anyone confirm if this is spam or legitimate please. Christina Help. Laraine In Oz

Hi all, has any other list member received email from a researcher Named KEVIN (elMc) claiming to have access to all census details.And offering a quote for research. If so I consider this to be spam and wonder how it got though. Laraine in Oz