Depending on the time frame, many baptism records were written in Latin, maybe Ant Ante have been abbreviated from Antonius (male) or Antonia or Antoinette (female). One site I have looked at for medieval given names has Artt but meanings have not been included. There are many sites for given Irish names as well as surnames. Worth a Look > http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/irish100/ Maggie Heffernan in Port Macquarie NSW AUS clear, cold with a very low wind chill factor. Not the night to be sleeping under a 2 bar fence (as my Dad used to proclaim)

Thanks to everybody for your replies. Terry I have come across these names in RC parish records mainly in Tipperary. And as I said at times I find it difficult to decide if male or female. Just posting a few examples so you can see what the difficulty is. 5 April 1835 Anto? of James Doyle and Bridget Gleeson Sprs Willm Tuohy Mary Byrne Grange (Not sure if this is male or female) 1 July 1835 Bridget of Patrick Fanning and Judy Maher John Ryan and Anto Maher (would expect this to be female) 6 Mar 1837 Anty of James Purcel and Bridget Doyle (assume female) 24 Dec 1867 Robert of Robert Stakelum and Anto Ryan (B. Howe = Townland) Sprs Timothey Stakelum and Ellen Stakelum (from this looks like Anto is female) May 1 1870 William of Terence Gorman and Catherine Callanan Glenreigh Sprs David Meara and Anto Gleeson (not sure) [Terence Gorman and Catherine Callanan were my ggrandparents.] 16 Mar 1875 Anto of Terence Gorman Catherine Callanan Glanreigh Sprs John Kennedy Bridget Broderick (male or female??) Just checked the last one on the civil registration index. The entry shows the same forename and have just realised that if I get a copy of the cert I will get the answer. Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Theresa Bora" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 2:52 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Any thought on personal forname Ant/Anto/Anta > Hi Clare. I can't help you out on your question but I wondered just what > type of 'forms' you're finding this on, and in what context. Is it where > a > given name (forename) should be? I've done a lot of census (US) > transcribing, but have never come across something like this. I've seen > many > male names shortened...Tho & Thos for Thomas; Geo for George; and Jas for > James are most prevalent, but I've never come across a shortened form of a > female name. Are these all Irish forms where this occurs? It's quite > interesting. > > Terry Bora in Michigan > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 451 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

We have added more lists of Protestant Orphans to the IGP Archives page for Tipperary. Also Petty Jurors for Kilnemanagh North & South. These were contributed by Clare Tuohy. When I have a moment, I have also started going back and pulling the obits out of the posts from Mary Heaphy taken from the Nenagh Guardian. To view these go to: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on TIPPERARY and Miscellaneous for the Orphans and Jurors. Click on Obits for the Obituaries. You can contribute your ancestors obit even if it is from a non Irish newspaper IF it names at least the county in Ireland. http://www.genrecords.org/irfiles/ (submit here) Regards and Happy 4th of July (US) and Happy Canada Day (belated) Christina

----- Original Message ----- From: Laraine Dillon To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: heffernan's Hi List. I have the following grave inscriptions which may help with the Heffernan search. Grave stone inscriptions some were difficult to decipher from Kilballyherbery CemeteryTipperary by" Mary Ryan Boherlahan Dulla Historical Journal 2002" This came to me from Clare Tuohy in 2008. Hope it helps the new Heffernan researchers. 1...... of Nicholas Heffernan who departed this life October 17 1776.Age 23 Margaret Heffernan... January 12 1767 age 20. 2. James Heffernan died Nov 14 1795 age 24years ...Erected by his father Timothy Heffernan 3 Thomas Heffernan of Stephenson....(could be town) Jan 11th 1796 age 63 years 4. Erected by widow......Mr Denis Heffernan of Ballydaugh... died September 29th 1840 age 47 5 erected by Mary... her husband Michael Heffernan Esquire of Ballydaugh....died June 16th 1857 age 51years. From Ballysheehan Graveyard below 152 Thomas Heffernan of of Barretstown... March 25th 1819 age 65years.. his daughter Mary August 10th 1805 age 16.....his daughter Elenor Ryan... alias Heffernan wife of John Ryan of Ballingleara.. died 4th May 1827 age 35. 169 James Heffernan Ashill 23rd May 1931 his mother Mary Heffernan died 20th Feb 1935 his father Patrick Heffernan died 3rd Feb 1936. Laraine in Oz

----- Original Message ----- From: Laraine Dillon To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Sent: Friday, July 03, 2009 10:28 AM Subject: heffernan's Hi List. I have the following grave inscriptions which may help with the Heffernan search. Grave stone inscriptions some were difficult to decipher from Kilballyherbery CemeteryTipperary by" Mary Ryan Boherlahan Dulla Historical Journal 2002" This came to me from Clare Tuohy in 2008. Hope it helps the new Heffernan researchers. 1...... of Nicholas Heffernan who departed this life October 17 1776.Age 23 Margaret Heffernan... January 12 1767 age 20. 2. James Heffernan died Nov 14 1795 age 24years ...Erected by his father Timothy Heffernan 3 Thomas Heffernan of Stephenson....(could be town) Jan 11th 1796 age 63 years 4. Erected by widow......Mr Denis Heffernan of Ballydaugh... died September 29th 1840 age 47 5 erected by Mary... her husband Michael Heffernan Esquire of Ballydaugh....died June 16th 1857 age 51years. From Ballysheehan Graveyard below 152 Thomas Heffernan of of Barretstown... March 25th 1819 age 65years.. his daughter Mary August 10th 1805 age 16.....his daughter Elenor Ryan... alias Heffernan wife of John Ryan of Ballingleara.. died 4th May 1827 age 35. 169 James Heffernan Ashill 23rd May 1931 his mother Mary Heffernan died 20th Feb 1935 his father Patrick Heffernan died 3rd Feb 1936. Laraine in Oz

Hi List. I have the following grave inscriptions which may help with the Heffernan search. Grave stone inscriptions some were difficult to decipher from Kilballyherbery CemeteryTipperary by" Mary Ryan Boherlahan Dulla Historical Journal 2002" This came to me from Clare Tuohy in 2008. Hope it helps the new Heffernan researchers. 1...... of Nicholas Heffernan who departed this life October 17 1776.Age 23 Margaret Heffernan... January 12 1767 age 20. 2. James Heffernan died Nov 14 1795 age 24years ...Erected by his father Timothy Heffernan 3 Thomas Heffernan of Stephenson....(could be town) Jan 11th 1796 age 63 years 4. Erected by widow......Mr Denis Heffernan of Ballydaugh... died September 29th 1840 age 47 5 erected by Mary... her husband Michael Heffernan Esquire of Ballydaugh....died June 16th 1857 age 51years. From Ballysheehan Graveyard below 152 Thomas Heffernan of of Barretstown... March 25th 1819 age 65years.. his daughter Mary August 10th 1805 age 16.....his daughter Elenor Ryan... alias Heffernan wife of John Ryan of Ballingleara.. died 4th May 1827 age 35. 169 James Heffernan Ashill 23rd May 1931 his mother Mary Heffernan died 20th Feb 1935 his father Patrick Heffernan died 3rd Feb 1936. Laraine in Oz

Rosemary welcome into the hay stack. In your Heffernan research. Laraine in Oz ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rosemary Wake" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 6:30 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Heffernans >I thought I would join the Heffernan chase... I am looking for > information about the family of a Kathleen Heffernan in Tipperary, > possibly Thurles. Apart from the fact that my father once took his > family on a search for Heffernans in the area (info from a sister who > was a teenager at the time and not listening all that carefully), the > only details I have are from a cousin who remembers her 'mother > telling me that we were descended from five generations of Irish > school-teachers, four of them called Catherine/Kathleen. The furthest > name she gave me was Kathleen Heffernan, a teacher in County > Tipperary. After that (I think) came Katherine Hall (who was > presumably a teacher too), then Catherine Burke, then grandmother, > then mother herself [who wasn't called either Catherine or Kathleen]'. > > As to date, Catherine Burke was born c1841/43, probably in Co > Tipperary, and her father was called Richard. Both she and her > daughter were indeed school teachers despite and throughout raising > large families. > > The family remained, as far as I know, in Ireland throughout the 19th > century. > > Any help/ suggestions would be much appreciated. > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Oh Janet thank you, maybe something in the next lot of letters. A clue. I am fairly sure now Michael Heffernan may have married twice maybe his first wife was a Meagher Laraine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janet Maher" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Re Thomas Maher > Hi Laraine, > Honestly I don't know. I'm trying to puzzle it out too. There are 8 more > letters coming, so maybe more light will be shed. I was wondering if it > could have been a Michael Meagher, but don't know. He refers again to > "friend John," whom I think might have been John Heffernan. One letter > actually comes from him (JH). > -Janet > > > On 6/30/09 2:37 AM, "Laraine Dillon" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Hello Janet, >> Re a letter 1864 from Thomas Maher to his brother where he says >> " I wonder if Michael has any notion of coming over again.?" >> Could this be a "Heffernan" he is asking about my >> G.G Grandfather Michael Heffernan was in America pre 1864 where a son >> Thomas >> was born. He did not go back he came to Australia in place. >> Regards >> Laraine in OZ >> _______________________________________________________ >> Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The female form I have seen in parish records is Antsy rather than Anto. Jan

Also, on the female side, I have a very good friend from Donegal who's name is Antoinette and has been called Anto by friends and family all of her life. Regards Catherine Fitzgerald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Spearin" <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2009 4:51:45 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Any thought on personal forname Ant/Anto/Anta Hi Claire Ant and Anto are short for Anthony. my son is Anthony and has been called Ant and Anto all his life Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tuohy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Any thought on personal forname Ant/Anto/Anta > Hallo all > I have come across this personal name in a number of forms and at times > have had difficulty in deciding if it was referring to a female or male. > > Ant Anta - Assuming female > Anto - Assuming male > > Am also interested to find out what Ant is a contraction for - I'm > thinking of Anastatia which was quite a common personal name in some parts > of Tipperary. Would welcome any views. > > Clare Tuohy > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 450 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Anastasia was often shortened to the informal Stacia. Anastatia would be another spelling but likely using same informal name. Always look for every possible spelling, use of middle names instead, and nicknames. Challenges keep the mind sharp, Maureen

Hi Clare. I can't help you out on your question but I wondered just what type of 'forms' you're finding this on, and in what context. Is it where a given name (forename) should be? I've done a lot of census (US) transcribing, but have never come across something like this. I've seen many male names shortened...Tho & Thos for Thomas; Geo for George; and Jas for James are most prevalent, but I've never come across a shortened form of a female name. Are these all Irish forms where this occurs? It's quite interesting. Terry Bora in Michigan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tuohy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 12:03 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Any thought on personal forname Ant/Anto/Anta > Hallo all > I have come across this personal name in a number of forms and at times > have had difficulty in deciding if it was referring to a female or male. > > Ant Anta - Assuming female > Anto - Assuming male > > Am also interested to find out what Ant is a contraction for - I'm > thinking of Anastatia which was quite a common personal name in some parts > of Tipperary. Would welcome any views. > > Clare Tuohy > > --

Hi Claire Ant and Anto are short for Anthony. my son is Anthony and has been called Ant and Anto all his life Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Clare Tuohy" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:03 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Any thought on personal forname Ant/Anto/Anta > Hallo all > I have come across this personal name in a number of forms and at times > have had difficulty in deciding if it was referring to a female or male. > > Ant Anta - Assuming female > Anto - Assuming male > > Am also interested to find out what Ant is a contraction for - I'm > thinking of Anastatia which was quite a common personal name in some parts > of Tipperary. Would welcome any views. > > Clare Tuohy > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 450 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

Helen, Anty is usually Anastasia. Regards, Christina | While were on the subject I saw and "Anty" , it was female. I | thought it was Anastasia but could it be Antonia? Helen

While were on the subject I saw and "Anty" , it was female. I thought it was Anastasia but could it be Antonia? Helen From: "Margaret Spearin" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Any thought on personal forname Ant/Anto/Anta > Hi Claire > Ant and Anto are short for Anthony. my son is Anthony and has been called > Ant and Anto all his life > > Margaret > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clare Tuohy" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 5:03 PM > Subject: [IRL-TIP] Any thought on personal forname Ant/Anto/Anta > > >> Hallo all >> I have come across this personal name in a number of forms and at times >> have had difficulty in deciding if it was referring to a female or male. >> >> Ant Anta - Assuming female >> Anto - Assuming male >> >> Am also interested to find out what Ant is a contraction for - I'm >> thinking of Anastatia which was quite a common personal name in some >> parts >> of Tipperary. Would welcome any views. >> >> Clare Tuohy >> >> -- >> I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. >> We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. >> SPAMfighter has removed 450 of my spam emails to date. >> Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len >> >> The Professional version does not have this message >> _______________________________________________________ >> Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> > > > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Go to the Limerick City Council site and off to the right in the search box type in Carpenters 1900. It's amazing what is there for everyone. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul and Sylvia" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 4:21 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] breweries > > > -Hi reading these emails I wonder if thers a site for cabinet makers I am > exhausted trying to find my grt grandfather James Mc Cabe I am looking in > limerick just because my grandfather said in the 1911 census he was born > in > limerick Ireland ,,,thank you Cheers Sylvia Canada > > > This might lead you to what you want. > http://www/limerickcity.ie/media/MEDIA,3949,en.pdf > Also, contact the Limerick library, they might have more. > > Bob > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Francis I Egan" <[email protected]> > To: "Limerick Roots" <[email protected]> > Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 1:37 PM > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] breweries > > >> My Grand Father, Thomas Egan, worked as a cooper in a brewery in >> Limerick about 1870. Does any one know if there is any archives which >> would list any breweries in Limerick at that time or if there are any >> files on there workers >> >> Francis Egan >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> Remember to Change the Subject line when the topic changes. >> ---------------------------------------- >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ---------------------------------------- > Remember to Change the Subject line when the topic changes. > ---------------------------------------- > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ---------------------------------------- > Remember to Change the Subject line when the topic changes. > ---------------------------------------- > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hallo all I have come across this personal name in a number of forms and at times have had difficulty in deciding if it was referring to a female or male. Ant Anta - Assuming female Anto - Assuming male Am also interested to find out what Ant is a contraction for - I'm thinking of Anastatia which was quite a common personal name in some parts of Tipperary. Would welcome any views. Clare Tuohy -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 450 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

I thought I would join the Heffernan chase... I am looking for information about the family of a Kathleen Heffernan in Tipperary, possibly Thurles. Apart from the fact that my father once took his family on a search for Heffernans in the area (info from a sister who was a teenager at the time and not listening all that carefully), the only details I have are from a cousin who remembers her 'mother telling me that we were descended from five generations of Irish school-teachers, four of them called Catherine/Kathleen. The furthest name she gave me was Kathleen Heffernan, a teacher in County Tipperary. After that (I think) came Katherine Hall (who was presumably a teacher too), then Catherine Burke, then grandmother, then mother herself [who wasn't called either Catherine or Kathleen]'. As to date, Catherine Burke was born c1841/43, probably in Co Tipperary, and her father was called Richard. Both she and her daughter were indeed school teachers despite and throughout raising large families. The family remained, as far as I know, in Ireland throughout the 19th century. Any help/ suggestions would be much appreciated.

Hi Laraine, Honestly I don't know. I'm trying to puzzle it out too. There are 8 more letters coming, so maybe more light will be shed. I was wondering if it could have been a Michael Meagher, but don't know. He refers again to "friend John," whom I think might have been John Heffernan. One letter actually comes from him (JH). -Janet On 6/30/09 2:37 AM, "Laraine Dillon" <[email protected]> wrote: > Hello Janet, > Re a letter 1864 from Thomas Maher to his brother where he says > " I wonder if Michael has any notion of coming over again.?" > Could this be a "Heffernan" he is asking about my > G.G Grandfather Michael Heffernan was in America pre 1864 where a son Thomas > was born. He did not go back he came to Australia in place. > Regards > Laraine in OZ > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Michael, I have William Heffernan born 1817 baptised in the parish of Tipperary, son of Daniel & Mary Heffernan nee Prendergast. William was transported to NSW in 1849 for perjury. At the same time were John Heffernan Snr and his son John transported for cattle stealing. They arrived on the same ship the 'Havering'. John Heffernan Snr. has a Ryan marrying into his family. These Heffernan's came from Knockavilla area. Regards Maggie Heffernan