I have added to the County Tipperary section of my website the tithe applotment indexes for both Templetenny and Templetouhy civil parishes. Templetenny tithes, found near the County Laois and County Kilkenny borders has many names found in both of those counties. The tithes were in two books. The first was dated 1825 and the other dated 1834. Templetouhy, found in the South Riding and also bordering other counties (Limerick, Cork, Waterford) also has names found in those counties. This county also had two books. The first had 436 names in 23 pages and had a column on each page for each year (1815 to 1821). The second book had 16 pages with 199 names. It was dated 1824 and possibly had some pages missing. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

9th March 1874. At Cloughjordan Petty Sessions before E. Kennedy and John Fleming R.M. Esq., a Publican named Maher was charged with selling whiskey to a Sub-Constable while on duty. Maher having proved that it was not to the policeman the drink was given, the case was dismissed. The Nenagh Bellman amused a large concourse of people at Nenagh on the afternoon of last Sunday, by announcing the loss of an old woman, aged 75 years, who strayed from her home lying in a sequested nook between Nenagh and the Shannon. Two stalwart farmers were by the bellman's side, prompting him what to orate. The fortunate finder was to get six months grass of a cow, gratis. The requisite description was given in detail. The novelty of the award tickled the fancy of the crowd which gathered around the Bellman. Mr. Robert Roe, J.P. Loran Park, Roscrea, gave a failing tenant of his named Thomas Purcell £420 for the goodwill of fifteen acres of land held at College Gill. In addition to this Purcell owed three years rent £60 which was forgiven. A man well known in Thurles, and who was lately appointed to the office of Special Bailiff, has been missing since the 16th inst. A rumour of foul play was at first in circulation, but as he had in his possession, Civil Bill decrees to a large amount, it is now strongly suspected that he made a special compromise with his creditors, and skedaddled to America. John O'Meara, Esq., Somerset House, Lorrha, has been appointed to the Commission of the Peace for Tipperary. At the Thurles Board of Guardians meeting, a young man, named John Fennessy, dressed in a faded uniform of the Rifle Brigade, made an application to be admitted to Hospital, and stated he had come on furlough after coming from Ashantee. As he could not produce his furlough, the Board refused him admission. Dr. George L.B. Stoney. A Borrisokane correspondent informs us that the above gentleman who is son of the late T. Stoney, Esq., of Harvest Lodge, intends making Borrisokane his permanent residence. Dr. Stoney is related to some of the leading families in the Riding. United States Mail Steamers sailing from Queenstown, for New York, every Thursday. These new and splendid vessels reduce the passage to the shortest possible time and afford the passengers, the highest degree of comfort hitherto attainable at sea. Average Passage-8 ¼ days in summer, 9 ½ in winter. An unlimited supply of cooked provisions available. Cabin Passage--£16. Steerage Passage-£6.6.0. Agent for Nenagh--Charles C. Foley, Grocer and Auctioneer. Births. At Drominagh, to the wife of James Esmonde, Esq., DL, a son. At Clashnevin, to the wife of Mr. John Mounsey, a daughter. At Blackrock, to the wife of Maunsell Andrews, Esq., of Silver Hills, Cloughjordan, a son. George Bergin was summoned for disobeying the orders of the Master of the Nenagh Workhouse. At the Petty Sessions, the Master proved to the defendant refusing to assist the male nurse. He was generally a troublesome pauper. Bergin said that if he was sent to gaol, he would lose his situation, as he was a herd with Denis Devaney, at the Cross of Lissiniskey, for £1 a quarter. Mr. Going, the Master of the Workhouse suggested that the defendant be sentenced to a months imprisonment with hard labour, the warrant not to be issued until he applies next for admission to the Workhouse. 9th Oct. 1876. The Queen has been graciously pleased to accept a copy of the Rev. John Cullen's new book---"The life after death and the things to come". Mr. Cullen, who is Vicar of Radcliffe-on-Trent, and a native of Newport in this county, has received the following acknowledgement:- "Dear Sir: Sir T. M. Biddulph is desired to acknowledge the Rev. J. Cullen's letter to the Queen, with his work and to notify her Majesty's acceptance of it.--Buckingham Palace, Oct. 10th 1876. A soldier of the 17th Regiment, named Browne, was sentenced at Templemore Petty Sessions, to three months in prison, with hard labour, for fraudulent enlistment. At Moneygall Petty Sessions, Thomas Dunne, had Patrick Ryan, his neighbour, summoned for shouting at him, and threatening to break his skull. Dunne swore that he was in dread of his life because of the ferocious conduct of Ryan. Complainant was put through a very amusing cross-examination and then the case was dismissed. 20th Nov. 1876. Died on 17th Nov, at Kilcoleman, Nenagh, William Finch, Esq., aged 84 years, deeply and universally regretted. This morning the remains of this much respected gentleman were conveyed from his late residence, Kilcoleman, accompanied by a large cortège of carriages and other vehicles of the principal gentry and farmers of the district, and were interred in the family vault in Nenagh Churchyard. The Master of the Roscrea Workhouse reported that Michael Fitzpatrick, a stroller, was lodged in the Workhouse on Tuesday night, and that he was brought before a Magistrate on Wednesday, and sent to gaol for one month. At a meeting of Roscrea Board of Guardians, six shillings was allowed to purchase shoes for James Kennedy, a schoolboy, who is going to service with Mr. Audlim of Aghancon. The death has taken place in Mainz, of rapid consumption, of Eliza Sarah Sophie, widow of the Major Von Lewiszki, of the Prussian army, and eldest daughter of the late Cooper Crawford, Esq., of Rapla, Nenagh. Married in Roscrea Church by the Rev. H.G. Gillespie, Mr. George Whitehead, to Miss Harriett Heffernan. A man who gave his name as Foster, was charged by Sub-Constable Boucher at Templemore Petty Sessions, with having practised a game of hazard on the public street. He found him playing "trick o' the loop" with some young lad who had staked some coppers. He was sent to prison for 30 days.

Hi Marion, I think Philip is on the right track, the cap on the knee has a Fusilier or Grenadier badge, the one between the shoulders could be Welsh or the Hussars or Leinster. Sadly I can't find anything like the main badge you are interested in. It is a similar shape to the 11th Hussars? Is it possible to scan the photo at a higher resolution, maybe just the cap badges, and re-post it? Regards Bill On Aug 24, 2009, at 02:24, Marion Haynes wrote: Many Thanks Christina for putting this on the IGP site. As you can see we have had some interest in it. Willie Whelan, of the Waterford County Museum, found 6 Patrick Daniels on National Archives , 3 of whom were sergeants, and all in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Am trying to get further on that, as it sounds promising. Must say thank you to all who have shown an interest, and spent time and trouble responding to my query. Any further interest is really looked forward to. Marion Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Finn Hunt" <[email protected]> To: "IRL-TIPPERARY-L" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Marion's military photo > Marion is trying to find out more about what regiment her ancestor > was in. > We > have added the photo to the IGP archives. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/patricks69gph.jpg > > For the text file see the Photos index: > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos.htm > > Christina > > > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 74 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Many Thanks Christina for putting this on the IGP site. As you can see we have had some interest in it. Willie Whelan, of the Waterford County Museum, found 6 Patrick Daniels on National Archives , 3 of whom were sergeants, and all in the Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Am trying to get further on that, as it sounds promising. Must say thank you to all who have shown an interest, and spent time and trouble responding to my query. Any further interest is really looked forward to. Marion Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Finn Hunt" <[email protected]> To: "IRL-TIPPERARY-L" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 11:20 PM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Marion's military photo > Marion is trying to find out more about what regiment her ancestor was in. > We > have added the photo to the IGP archives. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/patricks69gph.jpg > > For the text file see the Photos index: > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos.htm > > Christina > > > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.64/2320 - Release Date: 08/22/09 18:04:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 74 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

They are all, to the best of my knowledge, military. My grandfather, centre sitting, was gassed during the war, so that would not be naval. Also, cannot see why it would be mixed regiments. He would have been in an Irish regiment almost certainly, and am pretty sure this would have been a "memento" photograph. Marion Melbourne ----- Original Message ----- From: "PHILIP COLLINS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 9:31 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Marion's military photo Hi. I think Patsy is on the correct track. But all those men are military, not naval. Naval sweaters are always pull-overs. These button all the way down. And the man second from the right has a stripe down hispants, military. Also his hat (on his leg) is military. the two men at the left, front row, appear to have lost a leg. If the hat emblems can be enlarged, start there. They appear to be Regimental Crests. Each is different, indicating the men are from several different units. Two of the men are Captains, double bars on their collars. The two wear the bars on different collars, indicating they are from different armies. So at least two different countries are represented in the photo, maybe more. Try to enlarge the hat pins, or the arm patches two have on. There are books in most libraries that have colored photos of the different countries military emblems and patches. Phil Collins, in Western Massachusetts, U.S.A. --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Christina Finn Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christina Finn Hunt <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-TIP] Marion's military photo To: "IRL-TIPPERARY-L" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:20 AM Marion is trying to find out more about what regiment her ancestor was in. We have added the photo to the IGP archives. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/patricks69gph.jpg For the text file see the Photos index: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos.htm Christina _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.65/2322 - Release Date: 08/23/09 18:03:00 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 74 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Dear all - whilst I have almost no military expertise may I offer these comments: The cap badges might give a clue and the caps themselves have a distinctive style. Collar insignia can also provide clues - I can't get close enough to these to make out what they are. Some of these men are wearing what appear to be sweaters, which MIGHT indicate the navy? Just a few random thoughts. I'm sure others will have far more knowledge than I do. Not sure if Marion has posted her query on the UK Military Mailing List? There are knowledgeable people on there who might provide further insight. Best wishes, Patsy - New Zealand Subject: [IRL-TIP] Marion's military photo > Marion is trying to find out more about what regiment her ancestor was in. > We > have added the photo to the IGP archives. > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/patricks69gph.jpg > > For the text file see the Photos index: > http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos.htm > > Christina

22nd March 1875. Deaths. At Grenanstown, Nenagh, in the 74th year of his age, Mr. William Murray. At Ennis Convent, of gastric fever, in the 12th year of her age, Elizabeth, daughter of the late Mr. Patrick Boland, formerly of Castle Street, Nenagh. Margaret Cleary, a small little girl from Glebe Lane, Nenagh, was summoned by Sub Constable Sodan for throwing a fireball after the election of Mitchell. She brought it out of River Lane, where it had been made. The Head-Constable told their Worships that there was not a boy in the town more active at throwing fireballs than the little girl before them. Chairman-If there is another election and should any throwing of fireballs and other such unseemly and offensive demonstrations take place, the Magistrates instead of fining the offenders will send them to prison at once. Margaret Cleary was let off with a fine of one penny. Another Faction Fight. A few evenings since, a faction fight took place at Hollyford, when hard knocks were interchanged generally, and two men were severely beaten. The circumstance was reported to Vere Hunt, Esq., JP of Cappagh, who, accompanied by a medical gentlemen and the Petty Sessions Clerk, proceeded to the scene of the outrage. He found four young men and a young woman suffering from the effects of the injuries they had received, and took their depositions. The life of one of the young men is still in danger. At Borrisokane Petty Sessions on Wednesday, Thomas Hogan had Patt and Dan Hough summoned for knocking him down and kicking him. But Hogan, in court, said that it was a St. Patrick's day occurrence, and he wished to hear no more about it. The bench then allowed them to settle their difference outside the court. At Borrisokane Petty Sessions, Pat Nolan, Anne Farrell, and Martin Kelly were fined 1/- and costs, for allowing their dogs to roam about without logs and muzzles. At the Borrisokane Mills, yesterday, one of the workmen had a narrow escape with his life. He became entangled with a portion of the machinery, but young Mr. Humphries, son to the proprietor, providentially rescued him before he sustained anything worse than the dislocation of some bones in his leg. The sufferer is progressing favourably under the care of Dr. Kingsley. Mr. Going, Master of the Nenagh Workhouse, had a tramp named John Flaherty brought before Mr. H.H. Poe, JP, under the Vagrancy Act. Flaherty was sentenced to one month's prison with hard labour. 3rd May 1875. Lanigan Strikes Again. Tom Lanigan, whose repeated visits to Nenagh Gaol are now proverbial, was brought up in custody at Templemore Petty Sessions charged with having assaulted acting Constable McBeth and Sub Constable Dunne, in the execution of their duty. He also assaulted a man named Lahy upon the same occasion. Lanigan was drunk and disorderly in the street. When the Acting Constable went to arrest him. Lanigan ran at him and gave him a blow in the face, and then attempted to bite Sub-Constable Dunne. It was stated that he had only returned from gaol after being in prison for nine months for a similar assault. The Magistrates decided to sentence him to 20 months in prison, with hard labour. Lanigan---I'll live to put it up and I'll come out to do more. At Thurles Petty Sessions, before the Hon. Bowes Daly, a man from Kylenoe, charged his wife with assaulting him on several occasions and with threatening to take his life. On the last occasion, after throwing everything she could lay hands on at him, she took up a knife and threatened to take his life. The defendant did not deign to put in an appearance in the court, neither was she professionally represented. The bench decided on recording against her, a sentence of one month in prison with hard labour. Another resident has dropped into one of the chasms of Mirzas bridge. On Tuesday the funeral of Mr. Philip Dwyer passed from Knigh to Templederry. It is a long time ago, since Mr. Phillip Dwyer first opened a house in Barrack Street for the retail of spirits, etc. At that time he was patronised by Andrew Bradley, a very eccentric character, great at classics, great at rhymes, but greater than all at imbibing punch. Phil Dwyer served him once with a process, after which Mr. Bradley wrote a string of expostulatory rhymes, which began thus ---- Dear Phil, I think you've treated hard, Poor Bradley, whiskey loving bard. To add to all my other losses. You scald me with a two pound process. He who before, dare tell me Phil, You'd treat me thus with such ill will. I'd call him coward, loon and liar, Who'd dare say "boo" to Phil Dwyer. I'd kick him to the moon and higher. Two pound won't much crease your losses. For Heaven's sake, withdraw that process. 14th Sept. 1891. Married on the 8th Sept. Capt. Coldstream James Carden, fourth son of the late Sir John Carden, Templemore Abbey, to Rose Margaret, daughter of the late David Johnston of Durmburton, New Briswick. Married on the 10th Sept, John, eldest son of the late Michael Casey, Cattle Dealer, Templemore, to Hannagh, daughter of Mr. John Benson, Tullow, Co. Carlow. Died, Sept 16th at Park, Templemore, Mary, widow of the late William Butler. Died Sept 11th Mary Anne, widow of the late Benjamin Cole, of Ballinakill, Roscrea. The interest in a farm of land at Tullamore, near Nenagh, was offered for sale by Mr. Tumpane, auctioneer, at the Town Hall on Wednesday. The farm, held by the reps of the late John Moylan, contained about 53 acres, held at an annual rent of £90. The bidding opened at £400 and was mainly a competition between Mr. Guerin. Solicitor, and Patrick Reidy. The last bid was £605, but was not deemed sufficient, and the property was withdrawn. The tenants on the estate of David Clarke, Esq., at Borrisokane, have we understand, arrived at a settlement. The Landlord has very generously consented to accept conditionally from them four years rent at the present, granting them time to pay off for another, and wiping out two years rent altogether. It is understood that costs will have to be borne by the tenants, who have not paid a penny rent for 7 years. A man named Magrath, living near Burgess, died on the 18th Sept., from injuries received in an assault on the last Pig Fair Day in Nenagh. A man named Donohue is being looked for by the police as being the party who assaulted Magrath, but he is on the run since the occurrence. At Nenagh petty Sessions, John Brindley, Jnr., Old Turnpike, summoned Patrick Toohey, same address for assault. He told the court that on Sunday last he had been in a field on the Birr road, where there were a number of youngsters, the defendant being one of them. The defendant left the field and returned some time later, ordering all out of it. Witness went out on the road, and was assaulted by the defendant and his father. Mr. Corbett, Solicitor, claimed that Brindley was one of a group playing pitch and toss in Toohey's field, that they had been ordered out, but came back later. William Fitzpatrick swore that he saw Brindley being assaulted by the Toohey's. When questioned it emerged that he was courting Brindley's sister. Brindley told the court that Toohey had been playing pitch and toss with them, that he had lost a lot of money, that Toohey had gone home to get more money, but failed to get it. When he came back he ordered them all out of the field. Patrick Toohey told the court that when he went to the field with his father, Brindley asked him to fight. Witness declined and Brindley took him by the coat collar and struck him. Patrick Hogan, a young boy, told the court that he saw Brindley come up the road and approach Pat Toohey, challenge him to come into Hogan's yard, and fight it our. The Magistrate said that Brindley acted in a provocative manner, and should have been prosecuted for trespass. He dismissed the case.

The collar insignia, what appears to be double bars are not officer insignia. British officers insignia are Pips and Crowns. Captain is three pips, Major one pip plus a crown. ----- Original Message ----- From: "PHILIP COLLINS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 23, 2009 6:31 PM Subject: [?? Probable Spam] Re: [IRL-TIP] Marion's military photo Hi. I think Patsy is on the correct track. But all those men are military, not naval. Naval sweaters are always pull-overs. These button all the way down. And the man second from the right has a stripe down hispants, military. Also his hat (on his leg) is military. the two men at the left, front row, appear to have lost a leg. If the hat emblems can be enlarged, start there. They appear to be Regimental Crests. Each is different, indicating the men are from several different units. Two of the men are Captains, double bars on their collars. The two wear the bars on different collars, indicating they are from different armies. So at least two different countries are represented in the photo, maybe more. Try to enlarge the hat pins, or the arm patches two have on. There are books in most libraries that have colored photos of the different countries military emblems and patches. Phil Collins, in Western Massachusetts, U.S.A. --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Christina Finn Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christina Finn Hunt <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-TIP] Marion's military photo To: "IRL-TIPPERARY-L" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:20 AM Marion is trying to find out more about what regiment her ancestor was in. We have added the photo to the IGP archives. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/patricks69gph.jpg For the text file see the Photos index: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos.htm Christina _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi.  I think Patsy is on the correct track.  But all those men are military, not naval.  Naval sweaters are always pull-overs.  These button all the way down.  And the man second from the right has a stripe down hispants, military.  Also his hat (on his leg) is military.  the two men at the left, front row, appear to have lost a leg.  If the hat emblems can be enlarged, start there.  They appear to be Regimental Crests.  Each is different, indicating the men are from several different units.  Two of the men are Captains, double bars on their collars.  The two wear the bars on different collars, indicating they are from different armies.  So at least two different countries are represented in the photo, maybe more.   Try to enlarge the hat pins, or the arm patches two have on.   There are books in most libraries that have colored photos of the different countries military emblems and patches.   Phil Collins, in Western Massachusetts, U.S.A. --- On Sun, 8/23/09, Christina Finn Hunt <[email protected]> wrote: From: Christina Finn Hunt <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-TIP] Marion's military photo To: "IRL-TIPPERARY-L" <[email protected]> Cc: [email protected], [email protected] Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:20 AM Marion is trying to find out more about what regiment her ancestor was in. We have added the photo to the IGP archives. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/patricks69gph.jpg For the text file see the Photos index: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos.htm Christina _______________________________________________________ Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I have added a site search to Tipperary. It is in the Table of Contents on the main Tipperary page. There is no drop down box to choose the county here. But, the good news is that each page that concerns Tipperary or any county, has that county name in the page header. In fact you might find something elsewhere in the site by not using the drop down on box that we have on the IGP Archives main page. You can do a search like | Callaghan Tipperary | or | "Matthew Dunne " Tipperary | to look for an exact phrase. You can also click on Advanced Search to play with other options. We now have thousands of names on the site so it helps to know how to narrow down. Also be aware that the "Kells head" graphic will take you back to the main Archives page. I hope this makes your searching easier. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/Tipperary/index.htm Christina

Marion is trying to find out more about what regiment her ancestor was in. We have added the photo to the IGP archives. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/patricks69gph.jpg For the text file see the Photos index: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos.htm Christina

Morning listers I have a photograph of my grandfather, Patrick Daniels, born 1880 in Carrick on Suir, Tipperary, in a group of ten soldiers, taken during WW1. He appears to have been a corporal, and there is a Lance corporal there also. Is there any kind soul out there, who can tell me how to go about identifying the service he was in, (I.E. Irish Guards) for example, to enable me to try to trace him thru service records. Have tried ancestry, but no joy. He was gassed during the war, but I don't know if he received a pension for that or not. It would also be good if there was somewhere I could show this photograph, to see if I could identify any of the other men in it. Any clues, or advice gratefully received. Marion Melbourne -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 74 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Marion If you go to Rootschat.com -there is a forum there where you can put up the photo and get help with identification. Regards Clare ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marion Haynes" <[email protected]> To: "IRL-TIPPERARY-L" <[email protected]> Cc: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 1:42 AM Subject: [IRL-TIP] Army Uniform of Patrick Daniels, > Morning listers > > I have a photograph of my grandfather, Patrick Daniels, born 1880 in > Carrick on Suir, Tipperary, in a group of ten soldiers, taken during WW1. > He appears to have been a corporal, and there is a Lance corporal there > also. Is there any kind soul out there, who can tell me how to go about > identifying the service he was in, (I.E. Irish Guards) for example, to > enable me to try to trace him thru service records. Have tried ancestry, > but no joy. He was gassed during the war, but I don't know if he received > a pension for that or not. It would also be good if there was somewhere I > could show this photograph, to see if I could identify any of the other > men in it. Any clues, or advice gratefully received. > > Marion > Melbourne > > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 74 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > _______________________________________________________ > Griffith's Valuation: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 6 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 529 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

17th May 1875. The following strange entry appears in the returns of marriages registered in the Parish of Killenaule----On the 7th of Feb. Richard Berry, aged 100 years, was married to Bridget O'Neill, aged 77, by the Rev. Mr. Prout, RC Curate of Killenaule. At Moneygall Petty Sessions, Constable Purcell of Dunkerrin had Patrick Maher of Castlerone summoned for driving his horse furiously through the streets of Dunkerrin. The defendant's statement was that the horse had a pain, and he was only driving him fast the way he wouldn't lie down under the car. Maher was being let off with a fine of 1d and costs, when the Constable remarked that Maher was in the habit of driving fast, so he was then fined 2/6 and costs. Married at Portumna, Mr. James Hamilton, Borrisokane, third son of Mr. James Hamilton, Derrinsalla, to Mary Anne, elder daughter of Mr. C.G. O'Keeffe, Merchant, Portumna. Today, Pat Ward, of Lorrha, was committed to Nenagh Gaol for one month, with hard labour in default of the payment of a fine ruled against him at Lorrha Petty Sessions for poaching. Michael Quinlan, Hilton, Cloughjordan, a good blacksmith, who understands all kinds of work, wants a situation. About 11 o'clock, on Monday night last , Michael Ryan, night watchman, of Thurles, was assaulted in a savage manner, by a fellow having all the appearance of being a professional tramp. When Ryan was calling out the hour, the fellow ran at him, and grasping him by the throat, tried to strangle him. The fellow has been remanded until the next Petty Sessions. Upwards of 200 steerage passengers, with return tickets, arrived in Liverpool from Canada in the Sarmatian, on Wednesday, to visit their "homes" as they call the scenes of their early experience. They all speak in the highest terms of Canada, as a home for the agriculturalist and the working man, particularly those with large families. At Borrisokane Petty Sessions, Margaret Doyle was ordered to return to her mistress Mrs Annie Palmer, and complete her time at dress-making. Two Officers and 70 men of the Fourth St. Helier's Jersey Militia, being late for parade, were locked out. They went through a mock drill, hissed the Colonel and officers and hooted the regiment through the town. There was but one case of drunkenness at Borrisokane Petty Sessions on Wednesday, for which Con Delahunty was fined 6d and costs. 15th March 1875. Deaths. On March 15th, at Wesley Place, Nenagh, after a short illness, Anna Maria, the beloved wife of the Rev. Thomas Baker, Wesleyan Minister. At Grenanstown, Nenagh, in the 74th year of his age, Mr. William Murray. At Firville, Lorrha, of inflammation of the lungs, in the 34th year of his age, Patrick Kennedy, Esq., brother-in-law to Dr. McKeogh, of Nenagh. He was buried in Lorrha graveyard, yesterday, a large number of friends and relations accompanying his remains to their last resting place. Yesterday, Mr. Meagher, Coroner, held an inquest on view of a lad, 14 years of age, son of Patrick Ryan, of Portroe, who came to his death from a donkey's load of manure turning over on him, in consequence of which he was smothered. Verdict accordingly. Drunk in charge of an ass. At Nenagh Petty Sessions, Sub Constable Bowler of Kilboy, had John Shanahan of Curreeney summoned for being drunk, while in charge of a ass and car, Witness said the ass was a horse and that he was safe to drive while drunk, owing to the horse being 24 years old. He was let off with a fine of 2/6 after promising to take the pledge. Mark Navin was also charged at Nenagh Petty Sessions with being drunk in charge of an ass. He denied the charge and said that himself and the ass were as sober as two judges going home with a bag of salt. He was fined 2/6 and costs. The Thurles Board of Guardians last week, ordered an allowance of tea, bread and butter--for breakfast, and bacon and potatoes for dinner, for the inmates of the Workhouse on Easter Sunday. Tenders received by Borrisokane Board of Guardians for the coming year include--- J. Toohey-Coffins at 1/3 per foot. Shrouding-4d a yard. D. Maher for sweeping chimneys, for 12 months--£2. Mr. Humhrey-Oatmeal £16 per ton and Indian meal £10.10.0 per ton. Mr. Murphy-Milk for 12 months at 8d per gallon. At the Shinrone Petty Sessions on Tuesday, Michael Burke, the driver of a mail car, was convicted at the suit of the police of Mount Heaton, for having been drunk and falling from his car. The Police found the mail car unattended. The accused was fined £1 with the alternative of a month in prison.

Hi, listers I'm wondering if there are any FREE web sites which might be helpful to search for Nenagh residents in the 1800's. (Perhaps at some later date I might have some money to spend at the Heritage Center, but not now.) At the moment, I'm looking for info for WILLIAM WELLS,Esq. from Nenagh - definitely there in 1875. I can't seem to connect with anything for him other than a clip in a newspaper article about donating monies for my THOMAS KINGSLEY, parish clerk, retired, of Borrisoleigh. I may be wrong, but I think he may have been related to the wife of the parish clerk (Hannah). Would appreciate any help. Heidi

Nenagh Guardian. 21st March 1870. Constable McGowan, Newport who has spent 33 years in the force, has been pensioned off at £36 per annum. The Nenagh Town Commissioners have unanimously elected Mr. Daniel O'Meara, proprietor of the Hibernian Hotel, as a member of their body, in the room of the late Mr. John Delaney. D. Carroll, Auctioneer, advertises a public auction for March 18th at No. 3, Queen Street, Nenagh, by order of Mrs Delaney, widow of the late Town Commissioner and Fenian sympathiser. In addition to the usual house-hold and shop goods, a valuable horse, jaunting car and harness, new dray and set of tackling are offered for sale. John Hourigan, an absconding pauper, was sentenced to six months in prison with hard labour, at Nenagh Petty Sessions today. Hourigan is apparently an old offender in a particular form of larceny, namely, running away from the Workhouse with the Union clothes. The marriage took place at the Church of the Immaculate Conception, Hawthorn, Melbourne, between Mr. Michael McAnulty of County Down, and Miss Catherine Skehan, sister to Mrs P. McAnulty of Thurles. Father Nolan performed the ceremony. Dr. Roe, Medical Officer of the Portroe district of the Union, has been treating a whole family named Murkin from Ballywilliam, who have been stricken with smallpox. The Poor Law Commissioners have send orders directing fumigation and the application of every means to stamp out the infection. Fenians in America. A meeting of the O'Neill faction was held in New York recently in an effort to secure co-operation with the Red River insurgents. It appears that those Fenians patriots are divided into two rival parties, who hate each other with greater intensity than they hate the Saxon. Mr. John O'Shaughnessy, a porter at Birdhill Railway Station, died suddenly on Saturday, of heart disease. Throughout his career in a humble and arduous situation, his conduct was admirable. 29th November 1880. We have been told that farmers from Ballywilliam and Carrigatoher were prevented from making sale of their stock at the fair in this town on Monday, because they were guilty of some infringement of the Land League Law. An agent who attended the fair had to be protected by two policemen through the town and back home. On Thursday, Captain Otway, son of John Hastings Otway, Esq., Recorder of Belfast and County Court Judge for Antrim, attended at Nenagh to receive the rents of his estate in this part of the county. He accepted Griffith's Valuation and gave full receipts. Further, he told the tenants that he would sell them their farms at twenty years purchase. The Brass Band of Nenagh gave him an ovation and the Rev. Mr. McKeogh, PP of Ballinahinch and Killoscully, delivered a spirit stirring speech to the assembled multitude in favour of Captain Otway and the cause of the Land League. The death has taken place at Castle Street, Nenagh, of John Murray, Esq. to the deep regret of his sorrowing family and numerous friends. The funeral was the largest we can ever remember to see passing from this town to the Lisboney Graveyard. About 30 R.C. Clergy led the procession. There was a profusion of linen and crepe given out. If a man's funeral be taken as a test of his popularity, there was not a more popular man in Nenagh for many years. Death of O'Neill Quin, Esq. M.D. Our very popular and genial friend Dr. Quin has been removed from amongst us to that realm of bliss, "where the wicked cease from troubling, and the weary are at rest". He died at a ripe old age in full possession of his mental faculties and in full confidence of salvation through the blood of his Redeemer. 50 years ago, Dr. Quin, as a physician, was the family attendant of the elite of Nenagh. He was most skilful as a medical man and equally successful in the management of difficult cases that puzzled older members of the faculty. At Roscrea Petty Sessions, Thomas Butler, Rosemary Street, was fined £2 and costs for having men drinking in his Public House on Sunday week. The men found on the house were each fined 5/- and costs. On Tuesday night, a large clamp of turf belonging to Mr. John Gleeson of Garryard, Silvermines, was maliciously set on fire and burned on Shallee Bog. On Wednesday Gleeson went to Newport to the Petty Sesssions Clerk, and proposes seeking compensation for the loss of his turf. 29th Nov. 1875. The death has taken place in Dublin, in the 34th year of his age, of Patrick Coleman Gleeson. With rare natural talents, deceased possessed a mind of the highest culture, rendering him alike, the pride and wonder of his friends. While yet a young man, he held a position of trust and responsibility at Messrs Daniel & Co., Mary Street, Dublin, but in November 1865, he emigrated to the United States. There his unremitting study, extraordinary memory and polished demeanour earned for him, in 1872, a partnership in the firm of McLean and Co. Broadway, New York. But the seed of consumption already sown, soon after forced him to abandon those brilliant prospects, and returning to Ireland in 1873, he at last sunk a victim to his insidious disease on Wednesday last. His remains were brought down from Dublin on Saturday and interred in his family burial ground at Kilkeary. At Thurles Petty Sessions, Head Constable Boning charged a man named Mara, with being drunk for the fourth time within a short period. The last offence occurred in the Court House itself during the holding of the last Petty Sessions, where defendant had been summoned to attend on a similar charge. He was fined £2 or one month in in prison. He opted for the latter. Births. At the Parochial School, Nenagh, to the wife of Mr. J. McCormack, a son. At Ballyvalley, Killaloe, to the wife of Robert G. Parker, a son. To Mrs M. A. Kent, widow of the late Thomas Kent, Esq. of Killea, Borrisokane, a son. At the Broadford Petty Sessions on Monday, a man named McNamara, was send to prison for a fortnight, and ordered into sureties never to commit the offence again, for trapping pheasants in Broadford Wood, the property of the Hon. Charles White, former M.P. for Tipperary. When a witness at Borrisoleigh Petty Sessions said that he had been attended by Dr. Roughan, the Chairman, A. Carden, D.L. asked, "Who's that"?. Mr. Pennyfeather:-he is a man who fixes broken heads. Mr. Nolan:-he is a skilful man, and has done wonderful things in his day, which has astonished eminent surgeons. A tramp from Galway, who obtained a nights lodging in the Nenagh Workhouse, was brought before Mr. H.H. Poe by the Master, charged with vagrancy. He was remanded in prison to Saturday's Petty Sessions. Deaths. At Manchester, Robert Grant Osborne, Esq., stepson of ? Vansittart, Castleconnell, aged 26? Years. At Maryfield House, Ballinahow, Thurles, Thomas Stacpole, Esq. aged 53 years. John McDonnell, of Moneygall, was fined £1 and costs, for having his house open for the sale of liquor at prohibited hours. His defence was that he was getting a pair of boots mended by the man who was caught on the premises.

Hi Tom. I saw the ref. and said you would see it yourself. Don't worry about the magnet, anyway my friend from Florida is coming the week of the 22nd Sept and I will meet her in Dublin for a couple days so will get that work done for you. Cheers Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom LaPorte" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 15, 2009 12:29 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-TIP] Will of Epaphroditus Marsh of Fethard, Co. Tipperary > Hi Mary > > Did you notice the mention of John Bowles of Longcot, Berks in that Will?

Hi Mary Did you notice the mention of John Bowles of Longcot, Berks in that Will? This is the very first reference to a possible link between my Bowles in Fethard and a Bowles in England. Well at least it's a connection between a Marsh in Fethard and a Bowles in England but Fethard was not a big place. It's a pretty good lead at the very least! By the way, Epaphroditus Marsh was originally from Hannington, Wiltshire and was the Secord Member of Parliament for Fethard constituency to the Irish House of Commons from 1695 to 1703 and the First Member for the same in 1715. His brother was the Archbishop of Armagh and the founder of the excellent Marsh Library in Dublin. Thanks muchly, definitely have to get around to picking up that fridge magnet for your collection! Tom ------------------------------ Subject: [IRL-TIP] Will of Epaphroditus Marsh of Fethard, Co. Tipperary, To: "Tipperary, Irl" <[email protected]>, "Tipperary, Co" <[email protected]> Will of Epaphroditus Marsh of Fethard, Co. Tipperary, Esq. Epaphroditus Marsh of Fethard, Co. Tipperary, Esq., "weak of body" date 28th May 1719. To Deborah Fullerton, my goddaughter, ?40. To Elizabeth Fullerton, her sister, ?30. To Francis Peirce, of Itson (Idstone), Berks, ?35. To John Bowles, of Longeott, in sd County, ?15, and to Thomas Wells, of Blunsdon, Wilts, ?5 in full of all claim they may have against me. To servants, including Richard Maunsell, "who was Porter or Servant to my late brother the Primate". Whereas by deeds 29th and 30th April 1717, I granted to David Lowe, of Fethard, and Charles Hamilton, of Dublin, Esq., the greater part of my real and personal estate in England and Ireland, or elsewhere on certain trusts, I now confirm the same and devise in like manner my lands at Wicksess in Hannington, Co. Wilts, lands called Oxlays, Nyth, Bidlam, Waterwalls, the meadow and Marsh, the Butts, Well Close, and all other lands in that Parish formerly the copyhold of Mr. William Marsh, my decd. Father-In trust for my sole daughter, Grace, wife of the Rev. Charles Proby. I appoint Rev. Mr. Clotterbuck, of Darrylorcan, Co. Tipperary, executor. Witnesses-Nathan Key, Pat. Bray, Richd. Lahy. Proved 10th Dec. 1719. Administration granted to Charles Hamilton, nephew of decd. **********

These records were contributed by Janet Crawford. Am i allowed to put them on here please. Glerihan Baptisms, 1852- 1855. 1852 Edmond to Edmond Heffernan & Mary Baggot. ------------------------------------------- 1854 Thomas Maher to Michael Maher & Mary Heffernan ---------------------------------------------------------------- 1855 Edmond to Edmond heffernan & Mary Baggot. Mocklerstown. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1859 Alice to Michael & Mary heffernan. --------------------------------------------------------- 1860 Joanna Maria to Edward heffernan & Maria Baggot. Mocklerstown ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1861. John to Patrick heffernan & Johanna Hackett. Chancellorstown ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1862 Catherine to Patrick heffernan & Judy Hackett Chancelortown. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Val

Re: 1. Lowe family of Tipperary: Fethard, Brookhilll, Roesgreen, Knockelly, Clonmel. (Dora Smith, Austin, TX) Hi Dora I don't know about the connection to the Westmeath Lowe family but if you contact me off line I have quite a lot of info re the Tipperary Low/e family to share. It might just cause more confusion but hopefully there may be something there that helps. A Hamilton Lowe b.1753., d. 27th February 1813 was supposedly the "uncle" of my 3XGreat Grandfather, William Hamilton Latham (1798-1865) and left him his estate in Fethard, including the Fethard Abbey, the house next to it that the family called "Hamilton Abbey" & that later became the Augustinian Priory, various other houses and lands around Fethard. This Hamilton Lowe lived in Hamilton Abbey and was member of the Fethard Town Corporation. I think the relationship was not quite uncle, but actually quite complicated so they used the term "uncle" for convenience. In 1721, an Elizabeth Taylor of Noan married my 6X Gr grandfather, William Latham of Ballysheehan. They had at least 4 children but William must have died as Elizabeth then married secondly to a James Lowe in 1733 and had more children, so the Latham and Lowe kids would have become a blended family. Many of the Lowe family were actually descended from the Hamilton family. It was a condition of an inheritance at one stage that the surname of a particular bloke be changed from "Hamilton" to "Lowe" to keep the Lowe name going. I think that is why so many of the Lowe men had Hamilton somewhere in their name or their properties as they knew they were really Hamiltons! Hence "Hamilton Abbey" for example, they didn't want the Hamilton name to die out. Just to confuse things there are therefore quite a few "Hamilton Lowes" and it is hard to be sure who is whom at times. (I think there was another Hamilton Lowe in Fethard, of about the same vintage, possibly the one who you mentioned "Hamilton Lowe, Fethard, Tipperary, 1816".) Am happy to share offline with you what info I have. I have another contact who might be able to help you and I have copied this to her. Wendy in Western Australia