The information I have from Annette is from John Piper who married Honora/Elenor descendants. I don't have that much information on Elizabeth and John Ruttle, but if I do find it I can let you know. annette's email address is: annette.piper@bigpond.com she is married to a Piper. maybe she does know something about Elizabeth that married John Ruttle. Or someone out there does. Hope this helps. Judy The Elizabeth that married Adam Dolmage was the daughter of John and Honora/Elenor. the information I got was from a royal Spear who has since died. I don't have that info, but if I do get it i will of course let you know.