Hi Carole I have been researching my husband's PIPER line, initially for a Piper family reunion which was held here in Australia last year. However, I did not attempt to trace the family of Jacob and Christiana Piper as they were not on a direct line of ancestry for my husband's family. Like Terry Pyper I would like to see a Piper tree constructed of all Palatine Pipers but unfortunately I don't have the time or resources to do it at the moment, and my location in Australia doesn't help! I forwarded Judy the family trees I had constructed for the reunion for her to use on her Piper page if she was so inclined, however I did not have any information on the Jacob/Christiana line so am not the source. There was some Piper information already on the page and perhaps Judy obtained it from another contributor. I did stress to Judy at the time of sending these trees through that the first page of the family tree (from Hans Pfeiffer through to his great grandchildren (through his son John and grandson George) was only the most probable line of ancestry for my husband's great x3 grandfather as the proof just didn't exist. I constructed it using the limited official records available and the most obvious connections and/or hints (much as Terry Pyper did in his response to you) and as such it cannot be said to be completely accurate. The line from this ancestor's children (descendants of John Piper and Frances Long) is much more reliable (though we cannot be 100% sure at any time, can we?) I'm sorry I can't give you more information on your Elizabeth Piper but would certainly be interested in hearing should you find a definite connection. All the best, Annette Piper Coolah NSW Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Crsashmo@aol.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 10:45 AM Subject: [IP] Piper > Judy > I made another trip to your keepsake book website and checked out the Piper > page. > I noticed you had Elizabeth Piper married to John Ruttle. > > I was wondering if you could give me Annette Piper's email address or ask her > to email me. I would like to know where she got the information that > Elizabeth was a child of Jacob Piper and his wife Christiana. > > I have no other information about my 5th great grandmother except a copy of > the Rathkeale Register showing their marriage: > > 1754 Jly 23 RUCKLE, John, of ye Parish of Nantinane > & PIPER Elizabeth, of ye Parish of Rathkeal > > A couple of years ago I asked Terry Piper if he had any ideas on Elizabeth's > parentage. She wasn't listed in "The Palatine Families of Ireland" in the > Piper section. She was only listed in the Ruckel section at the bottom of page > 104. > He wrote me back and said: > > "Your Elizabeth is interesting - I think no-one has much on her. She, of > course was born before the Rathkeale registers began to be recorded in 1742. By > elimination, she has to be the daughter of Jacob (eldest son of Hans Peter, > the original immigrant). I say this because Jacob's brother John also had a > daughter Elizabeth (b. 1749 - m. Adam Dolmage 1766 > Reasonably, we could assume that your Elizabeth (Thomas' mother) was born > between 1730-35, so almost certainly in Kilscannel/Kelleheen/Rathkeale where the > family was based. I had the good fortune to visit the original homestead > (Piper's Cottage) when I was there a coule of weeks ago. It now looks a bit like > a holiday chalet, but Austin (who owns it) wants to replace the new slate roof > with a thatch like the original - except that that would cost about L10 000 > and needs renewing once a decade... I took some photos anyway - I'm rather > sentimental about things like that. My father sold the holding in 1940, but I > would so love to own it. Ah, well - we can dream. > I hope one day to piece together all the Piper line and have already gathered > much material., but there's a long way to go yet. I shall soon be contacting > Piper addresses in North America and the Antipodes, which Austin passed to > me. But ANY information you could offer would be extremely useful." > > I hope that Terry has found a lot of new information on the Pipers...I have > found records on a lot of Pipers in Maryland region recently. I figure that > the Piper's who were in Baltimore were cousins of the Ruckles in Baltimore or > maybe even aunts and uncles. You can see that I really need help on my Piper > line trying to authenticate Elizabeth's father...I hope that Annette Piper might > have some new information too.. > > Thanks, > Carole > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > >