Hi Chris, Thank you for you email. I only ran upon the Irish Palatine by looking listing Henry Stark, Richard Havener, Betsy Mee from County Clare and Limerick also Catherine Stark married to Henry Ruckle. Well as it happened Rathkeale Ireland's Palatine came up and after reading the different articles on the Palatines of Ireland and all my families names issued in the articles it was all to clear that at last I had found my family, and as my great grandmother Lydia Seibert married Richard Havener Stark who always proclaimed herself Pennsylvania Dutch. I think it a strange thing that of the 150 miles it seems my entire family reestablished themselve in south western Pa and north western Maryland and all remarried among themselves. In my background also is Lower/Loar/Lohr Eckert, Seiler, Stull, Winebrenner, Burket etc. I have been since told that my Starks have married with Doup, Switzer, and several others. I have wondered if the Starks went to Australia and Canada as well as US? I have Starks that have been coming to US for almost 200 years I see that they have settled close to each other But never was able to put the family ties together except they had the same last name and seemed to move as a group making you to believe that a strong connection to each other. That is my hope to have others see the extended family names and fill in the missing links as I know is the hope of all of us. Thanks again for writing. PS I have been reading all the correspondence about this papers being send to other IRL-Palatine people What is the information? I came along late in the story and am at a loss. >From: "Christopher Le Gear" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:45:10 -0000 > >Hi Jean > >I've been following your messages on the list. A couple of points that you >might want to consider!! >Although the Palatinate was in what we know today as Germany, at the end of >the 17th century it had become a place of refuge for Protestants from all >over Europe, particularly Huguenots from the Alsace-Lorraine. Consequently, >any IP family's origins are subject to >speculation and further investigation. >Secondly, it is not totally surprising that your family gave it's >nationality as Irish. By the 19th century many of them had been >assimilated and considered themselves Irish. One of my own ancestors, Jacob >LeGear, that emigrated to Ontario in 1843 with his family gave his >nationality as Bavarian in the 1861 census whilst his adult sons gave >theirs as Irish. My own father, born in Rathkeale in 1919, knew nothing of >his Palatine heritage and always considerd himself Irish. >Hope this helps. > >Chris LeGear > > >>From: "A.J Corwin" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:30:51 -0000 >> >>Yes I did know that but what I didn't understand was that on my great >>grandfathers naturalization papers is said Ireland My father said he was >>Irish. and his cousin all said they were Irish. So I was taken back to >>find >>that they were Irish Palatines. I was surprised as the word Palatine was >>never mentioned in our family on Irish as family tree. Lots for me to >>learn. >>Thanks for writing want to learn all I can. >>Jean >> >> >>>From: [email protected] >>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >>>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:40:06 EDT >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>From reading your e-mail on the IP site, it appears that you do not know >>>that >>>Palatine is German. Very much so. >>> >>>I may not be the only one to tell you this. >>> >>>Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >>>Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about >>>events. Small minds talk about people. >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >>My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but >>they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >You cant plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com