could it be that the family was originally from Germany and then left during the palatine migration and landed in Ireland?.... have you looked on Irish sites in the county of Limerick?..that is where many lived upon arrival from Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Spear <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer > Researching Abraham Cramer (b. 1799) and his family who ended up in the States, then, because we assume they were Loyalists, ended up in Ontario, Canada. Though most records show they were German, some show they were Irish, so we are trying to determine if this family was in Germany, then Ireland, then came to the States. Terry Spear of Crawford, Texas > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. > >