Hello Listers Good to see the curious heads pop out of the burrows as Rene (Keppel - Holland) picks his way through the brushwood overhead.... As the two-week British summer approaches its usual terminal convulsions, I think it's now safe to step back into the IP dialogue arena (I fancy I was getting a bit of a nuisance in late June). Susan suggests we come forward with sources and I have a few that some might find useful. I will happily do look-ups if I can remember how to manipulate the software involved in some cases. Firstly, I have the 1881 British census data to hand, with the National Index (of surnames). I also have the 1851 data, but that is confined to just 2 or 3 counties - and I've loaned it to a friend, so would need about a week's notice. Incidentally, that same friend has the LDS Vital Records Index, containing '5 million births, christenings and marriages taken from a partial collection of records in the British Isles dating from 1538 to 1888'. This beauty yielded information on 3 key relatives of mine. Other little gems I have found of benefit are: 1) "A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland" by Brian Mitchell,(1986, Baltimore, 123pp), with maps and listings of provinces, counties, baronies, Poor Law Unions (PLU), civil parishes, dioceses and probate districts. For townlands, I refer to a lovely Website posted by Ed Finn at: http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresch. This highlighted the basic ID of one of my own particular places of interest, as follows: KILLEHEEN - Townland/347 acres/Limerick - County/Connello Lower - Barony/Kilscannel - Civil Parish/Rathkeale - PLU/Munster - Province. 2) A beautifully drawn vintage map of County Limerick (1901) which seems to home in on even the tumps of grass. It shows the shape and location of Killeheen (including the Wesleyan Chapel) but, sadly, doesn't NAME it in this particular instance.... 3) Cassell's Gazeteer of 1899 ('A complete topographical dictionary of the United Kingdom' , which - at that time, of course, included Ireland). Nothing more than photocopied pages of descriptions of localities, with illustrations and maps, but interesting. Only one place missing, of course....but who cares? I'll struggle on. However, if yours is there, I'll scan it for you and summarize the details. That's a start, anyway. There is more, but I'll continue my prattle tomorrow - or possibly later this evening (lunchtime here now). Oh, yes. I received the wonderful package of MSS from Liz Haren (NJ) recently and, whilst I have kept a low profile on the net, I've been busy transcribing some of the marvellous Tenison Groves material and trying to make sense of it all (the underhand activities of some senior officials and aristocrats behind the backs of the 'poor Palatines' has to be believed). I will post this at intervals over the next few weeks, if you're interested. I've also compiled some tables of the more tortuous statistical data, which encapsulate the finer detail quite neatly. AND I've used the input from Susan, Barb and others to sort the name listings comprehensively by surname (capitalized). The July 1715 families drop comfortably into two A4 pages, but I suspect the server will strip the borderless box structure, italics and bold entries, etc., and leave a bit of a mess. Still, I could attach it individually if anyone is keen (and not morbidly fearful of such appendages). And a footnote for Teacup: thanks for the kind message. Where exactly are you? I did a standard survey and found 32 PATT variants (with 5 ancestral files), including Pate, Pait and Path. Limerick is one of the focal areas, but also Kerry, Carlow and Tipperary - all valid secondary Palatine settlement areas. There are many references to links in Missouri, Utah, Tennessee and such. Please post your essential names (would Jeremiah feature among them?) and I'll come back to you with more info. As I said. Bye bye Terry P(with a y)per (Lincolnshire UK) __________ Preferred address (after IRL-PALATINE-l): <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected]</A>