Since joining the list, which I think is brilliant by the way, I have never come across our family Palatines. Below is a Timeline of our Palatine ancestors. Can anyone on the list update or confirm what is below? Much appreciated if you can. Marilyn. Detlor Timeline 1687 - Johan Jacob Dedler born in Nassau, northwest Germany, a Lutheran[1] 1709 - because of religious persecution and severe economic times, Johan and several other families from the Lower Palatinate area of Germany take refuge in England[2] 1709 - Sir Thomas Southwell of Rathkeale (near Limerick) in Ireland, offers to take some Palatine refugees to settle on his land, including Johan Dedler[3 1709 - ? - Johan living on Southwell’s land, marries and has children[4]. Children are - Valentine (born 1726), Samuel (born 1730), John, Jacob (born 1747) and Peter.[5] Date of death of Johan unknown. 1756 - Valentine (age 30) is in the British army and is transferred with his regiment to New York[6]. He is discharged from the army in 1762 and lives in New York City.[7] 1756 - 1770 - during this period many Irish-Palatine families migrate to New York City and form a small community of Methodists[8] - including Valentine’s brother Peter[9] .1770 - several families get together and petition the government for land grants. Finally they are allowed a tract of land in Camden Valley, New York (near the border with Vermont).[10]

Hooray, Marilyn! Another connection for Ash Grove in the Camden Valley of what is now Washington County in way upstate NY! You must have joined the list recently, Marilyn, as there has been talk about the Camden Valley from time to time. Yours truly has IP connections there as do a few other listers. ...and the Camden Valley is beautiful, too! This from "Memorial of Ash Grove and the Ash Grove-Cambridge Methodist Episcopal Church", by Rev J.E. Bowen. 1. "Directly west of this [Empey Hollow] and then called West Camden, was the settlement made by Philip EMBURY, Christopher SWITZER, David EMBURY, Peter SPARLING, Abraham BININER, John DULMAGE, Edward CARSCALLEN, VALENTINE DETLER, Paul HECK, Peter MILLER and Nathan HAWLEY. This settlement began six and extended nearly ten miles from Ash Grove to the north." 2. "The other members of that colony [the IP Methodists in the Camden Valley], the DULMAGES, CARSCALLENS, DETLORS, MILLERS, SPARLINGS and HAWLEYS I have only space to trace their names and leave them, with a remark. They all excepting HAWLEY, made their way to the province of Canada, where many years subsequently Bishop ASBURY found their descendants, honored and Christians. As a company for energy, strength and worth of moral and religious character, they were scarcely ever equalled [sic], never excelled." 3. "The Methodist families composing the Camden Valley settlement, and without doubt composed the class membership were, Philip and David EMBURY, Catherine LOWE, Christopher and Peter SWITZER, Paul and Barbara HECK, John LAWRENCE, Edward CARSCALLEN, John DULMAGE, Valentine DETLOR, together with Abraham BININGER. ... The Camden membership largely scattered during the Revolutionary WAr, while the Ash Grove membership largely remained." Many of the early IP settlers to the Camden Valley were harassed by Ethan and Ira Allen, who were hooligans at the time, and who later played parts in the Revolution. Allen and his gang burned IP homes and drove off or stole livestock - frequently. The IPs generally wanted to stay out of the fracas, but they were inclined to be Loyalists as they had been given/sold their land by the English Crown.. and because the Crown had provided a safe haven for them during the great Palatine Migration. Thus, when push came to shove, the IPs sided (understandably) with the English, and many elected to flee to Ontario where they were given land by the King of England. There they found a safe haven at last. Now...here's another detail, but this does not come with a guarantee. <g> A few years ago I transcribed a number of headstone inscriptions found in a cemetery near the "Old White Church" in Cambridge, NY. If memory serves, there were DETLOR/DETLER graves therein... and I think I saw one with the first name of Valentine. Those records were submitted to the Washington County GenExchange, which is unfortunately currently offline, so we have no access to the db at the moment. But it's a possibility! Hope this is of some help to you, Marilyn. It's nice to see another Camden Valley IP descendant on-list! Susan At 11:01 AM 7/23/01 -0400, you wrote: >Since joining the list, which I think is brilliant by the way, I have >never come across our family Palatines. Below is a Timeline of our >Palatine ancestors. Can anyone on the list update or confirm what is >below? Much appreciated if you can. > >Marilyn.