I enjoyed your spunky response to the Keppel posting. . I find my PATT names are either Irish or German on things like census records and ships passenger lists. All the ancestral file shows no PATT families in Ireland before about 1700, then they become English. So I always thought I would find my ancestors in England, but Germany is running a close second! regards, susan spencer ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:42 AM Subject: [IP] Possible Kepper Palatine link > Hi Rene in the Netherlands > > As Ken has said, Keppel is mentioned by Hank Jones (Carlow) and I note that > Patrick O'Connor also refers to that same man, specifically Charles (p. 168), > the last of the line in Ireland (it seems) in the middle of the XIX century. > I see no earthly reason why you shouldn't pursue the notion of Palatine > origins: Kepper is only a very mild corruption compared with the > transformations other IP surnames have undergone - including my own, but even > more so the Czeszky, Schweitzer and Bauer constituents, for example .... > > I had a quick scan in the Familysearch facility and was offered nearly 100 > Kepper options, many (indeed, most) in the Rheinland-Pfalz region and some 70 > would have yielded Ancestral Files (i.e. b/m/d data, plus localities and > children). Maybe they were amongst the ones who went back to Germany from > Ireland. > > Another quick useful reference point is the www.teldir.com site (worldwide > phonebook search facility), provided it's not abused. In just a few minutes I > found my own family name still represented in abundance in the Palatine key > towns: 70 in Mannheim, 40 in Heidelberg, 37 in Worms (even a Pipinstrasse...) > and 12 in Speyer. > There is still one in the ancestral home village too. You might, for > instance, try your original Enkirch area in the German Telefonbuch. > > I am intrigued by your own sources. What is the URL for the Irish Family > Records? > Any others, please? > > Don't give up the search > > Bye bye > > Terry Pyper (Lincolnshire UK) > > Scouring the world for GGF Richard Piper & Catherine Ball of Adare (genesis > ca. 1834-40 - nine children, seven survivors. Heigh-ho). > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > > >

Has any research been done about the 1709 Palatines who either stayed in England or returned from Ireland to England to settle shortly after 1709? (I understand from various books - Knittle, Jones, O'Connor etc, there were quite a number) All I have heard of is an occasional record on a parish level of funds being raised "to settle a Palatine family in England" (no names given). Susan's message below reminds me that, although I live in England, I've never heard of any family from the 'London' or 'Rotterdam' lists which has been shown to have settled immediately in England, Scotland or Wales. Has anything specific been researched or written on these families? (Or, for that matter, what about those 1709 Palatine families who went to the West Indies?) Go on everybody - please help when you can - I love it when you fill in my knowledge gaps !!!! Regards Di Mitchell England (Barkman, Shier & Le Gear) ----- Original Message ----- From: susan patt spencer <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Possible Kepper Palatine link > I enjoyed your spunky response to the Keppel posting. > > . I find my PATT names are either Irish or German on things like census > records and ships passenger lists. All the ancestral file shows no PATT > families in Ireland before about 1700, then they become English. So I > always thought I would find my ancestors in England, but Germany is running > a close second! > > regards, > susan spencer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]sweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:42 AM > Subject: [IP] Possible Kepper Palatine link > > > > Hi Rene in the Netherlands > > > > As Ken has said, Keppel is mentioned by Hank Jones (Carlow) and I note > that > > Patrick O'Connor also refers to that same man, specifically Charles (p. > 168), > > the last of the line in Ireland (it seems) in the middle of the XIX > century. > > I see no earthly reason why you shouldn't pursue the notion of Palatine > > origins: Kepper is only a very mild corruption compared with the > > transformations other IP surnames have undergone - including my own, but > even > > more so the Czeszky, Schweitzer and Bauer constituents, for example .... > > > > I had a quick scan in the Familysearch facility and was offered nearly 100 > > Kepper options, many (indeed, most) in the Rheinland-Pfalz region and some > 70 > > would have yielded Ancestral Files (i.e. b/m/d data, plus localities and > > children). Maybe they were amongst the ones who went back to Germany from > > Ireland. > > > > Another quick useful reference point is the www.teldir.com site (worldwide > > phonebook search facility), provided it's not abused. In just a few > minutes I > > found my own family name still represented in abundance in the Palatine > key > > towns: 70 in Mannheim, 40 in Heidelberg, 37 in Worms (even a > Pipinstrasse...) > > and 12 in Speyer. > > There is still one in the ancestral home village too. You might, for > > instance, try your original Enkirch area in the German Telefonbuch. > > > > I am intrigued by your own sources. What is the URL for the Irish Family > > Records? > > Any others, please? > > > > Don't give up the search > > > > Bye bye > > > > Terry Pyper (Lincolnshire UK) > > > > Scouring the world for GGF Richard Piper & Catherine Ball of Adare > (genesis > > ca. 1834-40 - nine children, seven survivors. Heigh-ho). > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > List Administrator: > > Susan Laursen Willig > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >