To Judy, Sue and All Many people check out this site to try to find out if the name they are researching is IRISH PALATINE in origin. Now, some of us 'old' contributors know about our own family names, or can check out a few books to see if the name in question is listed - but - would you all agree with me - we can never be sure we have identified ALL the 1709 refugees from Germany who eventually settled in Ireland. We probably never will! So, if you've just Records in Ireland have their problems - many lost, burned etc. But there are some 1709 emigrant lists made out in Rotterdam and London as an early guide. These of course include "Palatines" who went to America, stayed in England, were returned home etc. Just recently Rob Snell directed us to a book on the internet which INCLUDES REPRODUCTIONS OF THE LISTS. This is Walter A Knittle's "Early 18th Century Emigration", published in the 1930s. As Rob says, you can go to the site, (which has lots more about Palatines besides the "lists") via: http://www.global2000.net/fortklock/history.html Click on "Contents" at page bottom, then "Books" - and you'll find it. If you want to be lazy and go straight to the book's list of contents: http://www.geocities.com/ajberry29/knittle.html Look especially at "Chapter Ten Appendices". (Established contributors - look at all the appendices - you'll VERY likely find your ancestor included there! Those interested in who was still in Ireland in the 1930s look at Appendix 9 (Fred Barkman was me own dear ole great uncle!)). If you think you've found the name you're looking for, you need then to check out Hank Jones's books "The Palatine Families of Ireland", "The Palatine Families of New York - 1910", and "More Palatine Families" to see if he has discovered where that family went. If you can't get the books from your library, they are available on: http://www.hankjones.com A few words of caution about the lists. The originals contain mistakes - the names were written down by Dutch and English agents etc, often phonetically, so mis-spelt. Mr Knittle did a great job interpreting them for his book - but the printed names in his book are interpretations of old handwriting. They were also put in alphabetical order, so you can't tell who was standing by who when the lists were made out, and that can be important. They are also incomplete - in summer 1709 the British Government gave up keeping lists - they were simply overwhelmed by more and more immigrants! But let's hope one day we'll be able to find reproductions of the original lists on the internet! An Irish Palatine family is special - but so is EVERY family! Good hunting. Di Mitchell [email protected]