IP Buddies, If you think it's bad getting weird looks (via email?) when "PALATINE" comes up, think how I feel when somebody responds to local research saying, "Oh sure that's just north of Chicago." Or, even worse, "Your rellies came down Lake Michigan in wooden boats, when?" Walt ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

PALATINE, ILLINOIS Walter, how did PALATINE, the town near Chicago, get it's name? I seem to have heard of a few Irish Palatine keenies who live around that fascinating City. Is there a connection? (Did I once hear there was a connection between Palatine IL and Palatine Bridge, in New York State?) I get muddled up, is this Irish Palatines or New York Palatines? From Di Mitchell in Warrington, England - in the County Palatine of Chester (bet that fools y'all - but it's true!!)* GENEALOGY Jacob Shier Sr, b. 1767, i. 12 Feb 1827 and his wife Elizabeth lived at Rineroe, near Adare. His son Jacob William b. 11.8.1806 was my grandmother's grandfather. And Jacob Sr's daughter Rebecca b. c. 1787 was, I believe, my grandfather's grandmother. But my grandfather's mother was a LE GEAR, and my mother was a BARKMAN. She left Ireland about 1920. Confused? So am I sometimes! And - to add to the confusion - there were several men in Co. Limerick called Jacob Shier around the year 1800. My "Jacobs" (father and son) stayed in Ireland - they didn't emigrate. Any relatives out there? If anyone finds any info on IRISH Barkman's who left Ireland before 1880 PLEEEEEEEEEASE let me know. (I've seen Hank Jones book and I know my relatives in New Zealand but there must be more! There are lots of Barkman's in N. America who are NOT Irish Palatine) FRIENDLY CHAT (NO GENEALOGY HEREON - DELETE IF YOU WISH) I LOVE this site, but it's beginning to confuse me! I've been thinking for a long time that we need two lists - one for straight genealogy, and one for general Irish Palatine history interest. I promise I'd EAGERLY join both of them. What do you think? Cindi - so glad you made it to Lincolnshire - it was where I was born (in the City of Lincoln). I see you visited Grantham. Lovely, but if you come again, do see Lincoln. I'll meet you there. To friends of Terry Pyper (who think's he can't be found). I've been there already - tough luck folks! Terry makes great coffee, and I hope he'll brew up for all of us while we're sailing down the Rhine in a raft. I'm selling location maps for Lincolnshire at $100 a go, if you're interested. (Only kidding, Terry.) ** Some Counties in England do indeed hold the title "County Palatine", but it's nothing directly connected with our 1709ers - it relates to powers these counties had in lieu of the monarch in medieval times, long before 1709. The name PALATINE originally comes from the "Palatine Hill" - one of the 7 hills of Rome. Walter - I love Lake Michigan, my daughter learned to swim there (at South Haven). But I wouldn't go far out on it in a small boat any more than I'd go out on the Rhine at Speyer or thereabouts (in a small boat). The Rhine there is a beautiful but BIG FIERCE river. I wonder if our 1709 travellers really called themselves "Palatines", or if it was a generic label stuck on them? It must have been a bit difficult for them to explain their origins. Who would have understood, "Ich bin Abraham Berghmann und Ich komme aus Iggelheim in der nahe von Mannheim ................... ". I suspect that in Rotterdam and London they were all labelled "Palatines", and it became easier to accept the name in general than argue about it? Whilst we all get keen about meeting up I can't help thinking of our friends in AUSTRALIA and NEW ZEALAND. I hope that, by 2009, we have Palatine groups the world over - all with links to Rathkeale (and - don't forget WEXFORD!) - and that we all have the best parties possible since we were all together in 1709. ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter X McElligott <[email protected]> > IP Buddies, > > If you think it's bad getting weird looks (via email?) when "PALATINE" > comes up, think how I feel when somebody responds to local research > saying, "Oh sure that's just north of Chicago." > > Or, even worse, "Your rellies came down Lake Michigan in wooden boats, > when?" > > Walt > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. > >