I was just waiting for the snow to go away before I came out of my bush. It was just way to cold to go anywhere. But it is great to talk to those that have the same heritage as me. Only learned of it a few years ago. Up til that time I thought we were Irish. But being a descendant of the Irish Palatines is way cool. What a rich and wonderful heritage we have. To have these courageous people as our ancestors is truly great. Judy

I can see there are a few old folk still around. Roland Young ----- Original Message ----- From: <wmcauth05@juno.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 1:35 PM Subject: [IP] w1G: Re: IRL-PALATINE-D Digest V04 #15 > "Holy mackerel, Andy, they done woke up the PALATINE list folk!" > > "Yes, Rochester, I told you they were out in the bushes." > > Hi guys, & gals, good to see you're all well. > > Walt > Si Deus Quis contra [If God is w/ us, who can be against?] > Walter (& Joan) McElligott <wmcauth05@juno.com> > P. O. Box 452, Beecher, IL 60401-0452 > BLENNERHASSETT/BOVENIZER/FITZELL/MCELLIGOTT, Co. Kerry to Chicago... > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson >

"Holy mackerel, Andy, they done woke up the PALATINE list folk!" "Yes, Rochester, I told you they were out in the bushes." Hi guys, & gals, good to see you're all well. Walt Si Deus Quis contra [If God is w/ us, who can be against?] Walter (& Joan) McElligott <wmcauth05@juno.com> P. O. Box 452, Beecher, IL 60401-0452 BLENNERHASSETT/BOVENIZER/FITZELL/MCELLIGOTT, Co. Kerry to Chicago...

People Make Places, by Patrick J. O'Connor. By the way, the values in my previous e-mail were pounds, I believe. I didn't have the correct symbol handy. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Young" <archerogg@psnw.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Peter Young > Thank You for the help. One more thing, what is the name of the book, I lost > the E mail.. My Peter young was b abt, 1749? > Thanks again Chris. > Roland Young > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris" <cam82@rochester.rr.com> > To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:12 AM > Subject: Re: [IP] Peter Young > > > > Yes, Peter Young is listed very briefly on p. 153, People Make > Places, > > along with Jacob. > > At the time of Griffith Valuation (1852), "....the Youngs, Jacob and > Peter, > > members of the only other Palatine clan then to hold land in Glenosheen. > > Jacob Young (35 acres valued at 11.05) was easily the strongest of the > > Palatine farmers, and commensurate with his standing, he had a homeplace > > valued at 2.35." Many other listings for Youngs are in the index. > > This is really a fascinating book; I ordered it from the Irish > Palatine > > Association. > > Chris Mandel > > researching Glazier and Bovenizer > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Roland Young" <archerogg@psnw.com> > > To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:40 PM > > Subject: [IP] Peter Young > > > > > > > Can anyone help me ? Can some that has the book please tell me if there > is > > a Peter Young listed as being in Glenosheen Co., Limrick, IR. > > > Thank you > > > Roland Young > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > > > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > > > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and > > body of the message. > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > Be the best you can be right where you are. > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. >

Thank You for the help. One more thing, what is the name of the book, I lost the E mail.. My Peter young was b abt, 1749? Thanks again Chris. Roland Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris" <cam82@rochester.rr.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:12 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Peter Young > Yes, Peter Young is listed very briefly on p. 153, People Make Places, > along with Jacob. > At the time of Griffith Valuation (1852), "....the Youngs, Jacob and Peter, > members of the only other Palatine clan then to hold land in Glenosheen. > Jacob Young (35 acres valued at 11.05) was easily the strongest of the > Palatine farmers, and commensurate with his standing, he had a homeplace > valued at 2.35." Many other listings for Youngs are in the index. > This is really a fascinating book; I ordered it from the Irish Palatine > Association. > Chris Mandel > researching Glazier and Bovenizer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Roland Young" <archerogg@psnw.com> > To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:40 PM > Subject: [IP] Peter Young > > > > Can anyone help me ? Can some that has the book please tell me if there is > a Peter Young listed as being in Glenosheen Co., Limrick, IR. > > Thank you > > Roland Young > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and > body of the message. > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Be the best you can be right where you are. >

Yes, Peter Young is listed very briefly on p. 153, People Make Places, along with Jacob. At the time of Griffith Valuation (1852), "....the Youngs, Jacob and Peter, members of the only other Palatine clan then to hold land in Glenosheen. Jacob Young (35 acres valued at 11.05) was easily the strongest of the Palatine farmers, and commensurate with his standing, he had a homeplace valued at 2.35." Many other listings for Youngs are in the index. This is really a fascinating book; I ordered it from the Irish Palatine Association. Chris Mandel researching Glazier and Bovenizer ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roland Young" <archerogg@psnw.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 9:40 PM Subject: [IP] Peter Young > Can anyone help me ? Can some that has the book please tell me if there is a Peter Young listed as being in Glenosheen Co., Limrick, IR. > Thank you > Roland Young > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. >

Thank you so much for that tip! Jeanne Fizell researching Bender, Trump, Hochthanner, Gruber, Buettner/Bittner, Jones, Schmidt, Scheidt,etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Armand (Jas) Haley" <haley4@rogers.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 26, 2004 7:00 AM Subject: RE: [IP] Book on Irish Palatines > Check out the Irish Palatine Association, http://www.irishpalatines.org/ > Resources, Books & Publications. There are three additional books written > by Patrick O'Connor, "All Worlds Possible, The Domain of the Millers of > Coolybrown", "All Ireland is in and About Rathkeale" and "Atlas of Irish > Placenames". > > Armand Haley > Stittsville, Ontario > > -----Original Message----- > From: Lois Sparling [mailto:lsparling@shaw.ca] > Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:55 PM > To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IP] Book on Irish Palatines > > > Patrick O'Connor wrote another book about the Irish Palatines after that > one but I forget the name. It is also very interesting. > > Lois Sparling > Calgary, Alberta > > Clifford M Dubery wrote: > > >I've got hat book too, a first class work on the Irish Palatines, my > >Great Grandmother was: Louisa Jane DELMAGE 16th September 1871 > >Newington, Surrey, England, daughter of Benjamin Eliezer DELMAGE born in > >Rathkeale 7 September 1822. > > > >I, as a child, met her, although my memory is a bit vague, but I think > >it was on her 90th birthday. > > > >I highly recommend Patrick's work as well. > > > >Cheers > > > >Clifford M Dubery > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Pat Uffenorde [mailto:pat.uffenorde@comcast.net] > >Sent: Friday, 26 March 2004 7:48 AM > >To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [IP] Book on Irish Palatines > > > > The book, People Make Places by Patrick J. O' Connor is an excellent > >read on Irish Palatines. It covers in depth the history behind why they > >left the Palatinate and the settlements in Ireland and the names of some > >of the families who lived in the various settlements. Most fascinating > >for anyone who really wants to understand the whole picture of our > >ancestors who were Irish Palatines. > > > >I ordered it via interlibrary loan. > > > >Thanks, > > > >Pat Uffenorde( Switzer, Reish, Rinehart--Irish Palatines on my pedigree > >) > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >List Administrator: > >Susan Laursen Willig > >IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >Be the best you can be right where you are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Be the best you can be right where you are. > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson >

I've got hat book too, a first class work on the Irish Palatines, my Great Grandmother was: Louisa Jane DELMAGE 16th September 1871 Newington, Surrey, England, daughter of Benjamin Eliezer DELMAGE born in Rathkeale 7 September 1822. I, as a child, met her, although my memory is a bit vague, but I think it was on her 90th birthday. I highly recommend Patrick's work as well. Cheers Clifford M Dubery -----Original Message----- From: Pat Uffenorde [mailto:pat.uffenorde@comcast.net] Sent: Friday, 26 March 2004 7:48 AM To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IP] Book on Irish Palatines The book, People Make Places by Patrick J. O' Connor is an excellent read on Irish Palatines. It covers in depth the history behind why they left the Palatinate and the settlements in Ireland and the names of some of the families who lived in the various settlements. Most fascinating for anyone who really wants to understand the whole picture of our ancestors who were Irish Palatines. I ordered it via interlibrary loan. Thanks, Pat Uffenorde( Switzer, Reish, Rinehart--Irish Palatines on my pedigree ) ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Susan Laursen Willig IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com

Check out the Irish Palatine Association, http://www.irishpalatines.org/ Resources, Books & Publications. There are three additional books written by Patrick O'Connor, "All Worlds Possible, The Domain of the Millers of Coolybrown", "All Ireland is in and About Rathkeale" and "Atlas of Irish Placenames". Armand Haley Stittsville, Ontario -----Original Message----- From: Lois Sparling [mailto:lsparling@shaw.ca] Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 10:55 PM To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IP] Book on Irish Palatines Patrick O'Connor wrote another book about the Irish Palatines after that one but I forget the name. It is also very interesting. Lois Sparling Calgary, Alberta Clifford M Dubery wrote: >I've got hat book too, a first class work on the Irish Palatines, my >Great Grandmother was: Louisa Jane DELMAGE 16th September 1871 >Newington, Surrey, England, daughter of Benjamin Eliezer DELMAGE born in >Rathkeale 7 September 1822. > >I, as a child, met her, although my memory is a bit vague, but I think >it was on her 90th birthday. > >I highly recommend Patrick's work as well. > >Cheers > >Clifford M Dubery > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Uffenorde [mailto:pat.uffenorde@comcast.net] >Sent: Friday, 26 March 2004 7:48 AM >To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IP] Book on Irish Palatines > > The book, People Make Places by Patrick J. O' Connor is an excellent >read on Irish Palatines. It covers in depth the history behind why they >left the Palatinate and the settlements in Ireland and the names of some >of the families who lived in the various settlements. Most fascinating >for anyone who really wants to understand the whole picture of our >ancestors who were Irish Palatines. > >I ordered it via interlibrary loan. > >Thanks, > >Pat Uffenorde( Switzer, Reish, Rinehart--Irish Palatines on my pedigree >) > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Be the best you can be right where you are. > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Be the best you can be right where you are.

Yes, Patrick O'Connor does mention Fitzelles and many more of your Irish Palatine ancestral names. It would be wrong to expect to find more than passing genealogical details here, but the fascinating story is excellently covered by an award-winning author and professor of geography. There is more genealogical detail (generally up to around 1800) in Hank Jones' "The Palatine Families of Ireland". Both of these books should be on the shelf of any researcher with serious interest in their Irish Palatine roots. Both can be purchased through the Irish Palatine Association - see their website www.irishpalatines.org Ken McDonald England Teskey@BTinternet.com

Patrick O'Connor wrote another book about the Irish Palatines after that one but I forget the name. It is also very interesting. Lois Sparling Calgary, Alberta Clifford M Dubery wrote: >I've got hat book too, a first class work on the Irish Palatines, my >Great Grandmother was: Louisa Jane DELMAGE 16th September 1871 >Newington, Surrey, England, daughter of Benjamin Eliezer DELMAGE born in >Rathkeale 7 September 1822. > >I, as a child, met her, although my memory is a bit vague, but I think >it was on her 90th birthday. > >I highly recommend Patrick's work as well. > >Cheers > >Clifford M Dubery > >-----Original Message----- >From: Pat Uffenorde [mailto:pat.uffenorde@comcast.net] >Sent: Friday, 26 March 2004 7:48 AM >To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IP] Book on Irish Palatines > > The book, People Make Places by Patrick J. O' Connor is an excellent >read on Irish Palatines. It covers in depth the history behind why they >left the Palatinate and the settlements in Ireland and the names of some >of the families who lived in the various settlements. Most fascinating >for anyone who really wants to understand the whole picture of our >ancestors who were Irish Palatines. > >I ordered it via interlibrary loan. > >Thanks, > >Pat Uffenorde( Switzer, Reish, Rinehart--Irish Palatines on my pedigree >) > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Be the best you can be right where you are. > > > >

Can anyone help me ? Can some that has the book please tell me if there is a Peter Young listed as being in Glenosheen Co., Limrick, IR. Thank you Roland Young

Please, does it have the name Fitzell/Fizzell/Fizell/Fizelle in it? Jeanne Fizell researching Bender, Trump, Hochthanner, Gruber, Buettner/Bittner, Jones, Schmidt, Scheidt,etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Uffenorde" <pat.uffenorde@comcast.net> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2004 2:47 PM Subject: [IP] Book on Irish Palatines > The book, People Make Places by Patrick J. O' Connor is an excellent read on Irish Palatines. It covers in depth the history behind why they left the Palatinate and the settlements in Ireland and the names of some of the families who lived in the various settlements. Most fascinating for anyone who really wants to understand the whole picture of our ancestors who were Irish Palatines. > > I ordered it via interlibrary loan. > > Thanks, > > Pat Uffenorde( Switzer, Reish, Rinehart--Irish Palatines on my pedigree ) > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com >

The book, People Make Places by Patrick J. O' Connor is an excellent read on Irish Palatines. It covers in depth the history behind why they left the Palatinate and the settlements in Ireland and the names of some of the families who lived in the various settlements. Most fascinating for anyone who really wants to understand the whole picture of our ancestors who were Irish Palatines. I ordered it via interlibrary loan. Thanks, Pat Uffenorde( Switzer, Reish, Rinehart--Irish Palatines on my pedigree )

Dear Listers, I would appreciate any information that you can provide about the origins of the PATT surname. In my research, I found a Hotel PATT (Ohm Patt) in Germany and a restaurant Venezia PATT in Italy. There were numerous German surnames PATT in the Family History Files in Salt Lake City, UT. I have not been able to make any connections to my PATT line, which I could only trace back to 1802-1804, the birth dates of my great, great grandparents. John Patt (born 1804, died 1874) and Ellen Fitzgerald Patt (born 1802, died 1872) came from Litter, County Kerry Ireland. Jeremiah King’s Book lists about 13 PATT families living in the Kerry area. My John Patt is one of them. However, I have found nothing that traces their history back into the 16th or 17th centuries and a Palantine origin. I would appreciate any help you can provide. Now to resolve any questions about my surname (PATTWELL), a “funny” story follows. It seems my grandfather Michael “Mickey” and his two brothers, John “Jack” and Martin “Dinty” stowed away on a ship bound for Canada in 1895. On the way over they decided that it would be prudent to try and disguise their surname to make it appear English, since in New York at that time, there were signs all over indicating that, “Irish need not apply”. So they decided to add “well” to the name and it would look like Cromwell or Stillwell. Of course, they paid no mind to the “map of Ireland” on their faces or their Irish brogues, don’t you know! Then the brothers began to argue as to the spelling of the surname. John and Martin agreed that “you pat a dog on the head, pat, pat and a well is where you draw water, so the name must be spelled with one “t”, i.e. Patwell. “No sir”, my grandfather Michael said, “I’ll not be adding “well” and droppin’ a “t” too! Hence, half my family spells the surname with one “t” and the rest use two “t”s. My grandfather always said we were right because we preserved the true surname and didn’t butcher it. So if you wondered where the term “thick micks” came from, here is an example! Well, thank you for your time and consideration of my request and I hope to hear from some of you. Take care and God bless you all. Sincerely, Bob Pattwell. Long Island, New York

Hi Margaret OE is your outlook express. It was removing every attachment that was coming into my email account as well. I changed the setting but I have anti virus software. Jenny ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret guppy" <guppyrm@mcmedia.com.au> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:48 PM Subject: [IP] Re: IRL-PALATINE-D Digest V04 #12 > OE has removed the attachments, so I am unable to open them. > Margaret Guppy (nee Steepe) > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. > >

OE has removed the attachments, so I am unable to open them. Margaret Guppy (nee Steepe)

----- Original Message ----- From: "Jennifer Empey" <jempey@bigpond.net.au> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 1:53 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Re: IRL-PALATINE-D Digest V04 #12 > Hi Margaret > > OE is your outlook express. > > It was removing every attachment that was coming into my email account as > well. I changed the setting but I have anti virus software. > > Jenny > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "margaret guppy" <guppyrm@mcmedia.com.au> > To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 8:48 PM > Subject: [IP] Re: IRL-PALATINE-D Digest V04 #12 > > > > OE has removed the attachments, so I am unable to open them. > > Margaret Guppy (nee Steepe) > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and > body of the message. > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. >

There is a William (Billy) Steepe that lives in Glenosheen Co. Limrick, Ireland. Roland Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "margaret guppy" <guppyrm@mcmedia.com.au> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 18, 2004 4:56 PM Subject: [IP] STEEP/E > I am researching the Steep/e family of Kilfinane area, Also my gg grandmothers maiden name was Catherine BEST, married Samuel Steep c.1843 Thomastown. > Steep/e's married ALLEN, BARTMAN, CANTILLON, COLE, CRONSBERRY, KING, LEGEER, LYONS, MEE, STEEPE, SCHUMACHER, SHERWOOD, SHOEMAKER, SPARLING, & SPENCER (among others). > Any information appreciated. Margaret Guppy (nee Steepe) > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. >

I am researching the Steep/e family of Kilfinane area, Also my gg grandmothers maiden name was Catherine BEST, married Samuel Steep c.1843 Thomastown. Steep/e's married ALLEN, BARTMAN, CANTILLON, COLE, CRONSBERRY, KING, LEGEER, LYONS, MEE, STEEPE, SCHUMACHER, SHERWOOD, SHOEMAKER, SPARLING, & SPENCER (among others). Any information appreciated. Margaret Guppy (nee Steepe)