Hi Kathy Interesting! So when and where were they married and what was your source? I do have more information on the 10 sons as follows: Benjamin My great great grandfather was born 1809 died 1885 He emmigrated to Canada as a youong man adn died on the Switzer Homestead. Is buried in the Hanover Cemetary. Married Mary LEONARD also born Ireland. children: Rachel, Elizabeth REbecca, Margaret, Alfred, Lydia, MAry, Benjamin Jacob, Daniel, Alfred & Joseph. ( I do have more details on these children too) William Lived near Bolton, Ontario John - Joseph- Reuben- Harvey Lived at Palermo, Ontario Thomas Had 9 or 10 boys Bartholomew lived at Blanchard, Ontario Daniel- Christopher Lived at Streetsville, Ontario Some of the above settled in Manitoba and in Carberry area. You didn't mention what (if any) your connection was. If you are descended from them then we are related. Looking forward to hearing from you soon. Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire Researching: Lancs - SMITH, MCDONNELL, HAYES Ches.- MCDONNELL, GARNER, HOOLEY Staffs.- GARNER Surrey - WILKINSON, CHANDLER, FRY, PARRATT, PUNTER, LITTLE, ARNOLD, BINFIELD Canada & Ireland -SWITZER, LAWRENCE, JACKMAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kathy Lawrence" <adamlawrence@sympatico.ca> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:24 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Ann Brandt's book > Hi Terry, > For what it is worth, I have your Jacob Joseph Switzer wed Meary Ruckle born > 1770 in Adare, Co of Limerick, Ireland. The 10 sons are William, John, > Joseph, Reuben, Harvey, Thomas, Bartholomew, Daneil, Christopher, and > Benjamin born 1809 died 1885. I have no info on any of these sons. Could > anyone out there help us to fill in some of the gaps ?? -- Kathy -- > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Terry" <tajackson@freenet.co.uk> > To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:15 PM > Subject: Re: [IP] Ann Brandt's book > > > > I wonder if you could check this book for any reference to the following: > > Was a Jacob Switzer married to a Mary Ruckle circa 1808 ? (Jacob Switzer > > was father to 10 boys but was, as I suspect, his wife Mary RUCKLE?) > > > > It would be great if you could clear this up or just add more weight to my > > hunch. > > Thanks > > Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire > > Researching: > > Lancs - SMITH, MCDONNELL, HAYES > > Ches.- MCDONNELL, GARNER, HOOLEY > > Staffs.- GARNER > > Surrey - WILKINSON, CHANDLER, FRY, PARRATT, PUNTER, LITTLE, > > ARNOLD, BINFIELD > > Canada & Ireland -SWITZER, LAWRENCE, JACKMAN > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Karen" <opgenort@sisqtel.net> > > To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:17 AM > > Subject: [IP] Ann Brandt's book > > > > > > > I have a copy of "THE RUCKLE FAMILY: HIstory and Descendants of John & > > > Martha Ruckle", Ann H. Brandt, Editor published in Bloomsburg, PA, July, > > > 1986. > > > Is this the book you're interested in, or did she write another? > > > Most of the information in this book concerns descendants of > > > Balthasar Rockel who was born in Germany in 1707 and died in > > > Shoenersville, PA in 1800. Balthasar named his son Melchior. Put these > > > two together with Caspar Ruckle who settled in Limerick and you have > > > three wise men. I've always felt that there is a connection between > > > the two families somewhere back in Germany. However, no one has found > > > the link so far as I know. > > > This book does contain some Palatine history in the front and a > > > little sketchy information on a few Irish Palatines (all Ruckles, all in > > > the USA) in the 2 page addendum at the back. I don't know where or > > > whether you can obtain a copy of this book, but I'm willing to do look > > > ups...............Karen > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > > > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > >

hello Ed and Savi you mentioned Shier in your letter. What branch are you on??? Hazel Carlton Ed and Savi wrote: >Hi Sharon, > >I think the appropriate meaning would be a farmer who cultivates his own >land. There are other meanings, but this sounds correct since it's my >understanding many of the Irish Palatines were farmers. > >Ed Howitt >Doupe, Shier, Switzer - and others :-) > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Sharon Smith" <moonshadow35@hotmail.com> >To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:50 AM >Subject: [IP] Yeoman > > > > >>Hi listers, >> >> Silly question, but what does Yeoman mean? All information I have about >>my GG-Grandfather says Yeoman. Does that mean farmer?? >> >>Thanks Sharon >> >> >> >> > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004 > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, >Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda > > > >

Hi Sharon, I think the appropriate meaning would be a farmer who cultivates his own land. There are other meanings, but this sounds correct since it's my understanding many of the Irish Palatines were farmers. Ed Howitt Doupe, Shier, Switzer - and others :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sharon Smith" <moonshadow35@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 9:50 AM Subject: [IP] Yeoman > Hi listers, > > Silly question, but what does Yeoman mean? All information I have about > my GG-Grandfather says Yeoman. Does that mean farmer?? > > Thanks Sharon > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.647 / Virus Database: 414 - Release Date: 29/03/2004

Hi listers, Silly question, but what does Yeoman mean? All information I have about my GG-Grandfather says Yeoman. Does that mean farmer?? Thanks Sharon _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/

It's sometimes difficult to sort out the early Palatines because they kept recycling the same names. There was indeed a marriage between Mary Ruckle and Jacob Switzer. She was born abt 1781, the daughter of Daniel who was the son of Sebastian. A later Daniel, son of George of Adare, had a daughter Catherine who married John Switzer. That marriage took place in Ontario, Canada after Catherine's first husband, John Empey, died in 1857. Catherine and John Switzer went on to have ten children. As far as the wife of Johann Christopher Schweitzer goes, Henry Z. Jones in "The Palatine Families of Ireland" gives her name as Catherine Elizabeth, but doesn't supply a surname. This is the first I've heard that she might have been a Ruckle, but if so, her father was probably Caspar. None of these folks are mentioned in Ann Brandt's book which deals only with Ruckle families who lived in the United States......Karen

I have an Elizabeth Switzer who married, George Sparling in Adare Ireland in 1813. They had three children, William, Catherine b1814 and Christopher b1816. Is this the same Elizabeth Switzer? Sandy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wheeler" <blube@oanet.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 9:37 PM Subject: [IP] re Ruckle > Hi--I am a newby to this list --researching Shier,Switzer,Teskey,Delmage and the variants of their names. We were very surprised to find our Irish ancestors were from Germany and went to Southwell Estates circa 1709 so it has been a very interesting research. > > Re Ruckle--I have a Katherine Elizabeth d/o Daniel Ruckle married to Johan Christopher Schweitzer(Switzer) circa 1711. Katherine born circa 1686 Three children Margaret 1743 Christina 1747 Catherine 1749 Hope it helps. > > Pat > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > >

I have a web page that gives quite a lot of names of the Palatines and a lot of history along with pictures. Esp. of the Doupe/Shier's, which are my ancestor's along with most of the names you mentioned. the url is: http://www.geocities.com/judydrysdale Check it out and sign my guest book, maybe you will find someone there you are looking for. Judy

Hi--I am a newby to this list --researching Shier,Switzer,Teskey,Delmage and the variants of their names. We were very surprised to find our Irish ancestors were from Germany and went to Southwell Estates circa 1709 so it has been a very interesting research. Re Ruckle--I have a Katherine Elizabeth d/o Daniel Ruckle married to Johan Christopher Schweitzer(Switzer) circa 1711. Katherine born circa 1686 Three children Margaret 1743 Christina 1747 Catherine 1749 Hope it helps. Pat

I wonder if you could check this book for any reference to the following: Was a Jacob Switzer married to a Mary Ruckle circa 1808 ? (Jacob Switzer was father to 10 boys but was, as I suspect, his wife Mary RUCKLE?) It would be great if you could clear this up or just add more weight to my hunch. Thanks Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire Researching: Lancs - SMITH, MCDONNELL, HAYES Ches.- MCDONNELL, GARNER, HOOLEY Staffs.- GARNER Surrey - WILKINSON, CHANDLER, FRY, PARRATT, PUNTER, LITTLE, ARNOLD, BINFIELD Canada & Ireland -SWITZER, LAWRENCE, JACKMAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <opgenort@sisqtel.net> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:17 AM Subject: [IP] Ann Brandt's book > I have a copy of "THE RUCKLE FAMILY: HIstory and Descendants of John & > Martha Ruckle", Ann H. Brandt, Editor published in Bloomsburg, PA, July, > 1986. > Is this the book you're interested in, or did she write another? > Most of the information in this book concerns descendants of > Balthasar Rockel who was born in Germany in 1707 and died in > Shoenersville, PA in 1800. Balthasar named his son Melchior. Put these > two together with Caspar Ruckle who settled in Limerick and you have > three wise men. I've always felt that there is a connection between > the two families somewhere back in Germany. However, no one has found > the link so far as I know. > This book does contain some Palatine history in the front and a > little sketchy information on a few Irish Palatines (all Ruckles, all in > the USA) in the 2 page addendum at the back. I don't know where or > whether you can obtain a copy of this book, but I'm willing to do look > ups...............Karen > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > >

Hi Terry, For what it is worth, I have your Jacob Joseph Switzer wed Meary Ruckle born 1770 in Adare, Co of Limerick, Ireland. The 10 sons are William, John, Joseph, Reuben, Harvey, Thomas, Bartholomew, Daneil, Christopher, and Benjamin born 1809 died 1885. I have no info on any of these sons. Could anyone out there help us to fill in some of the gaps ?? -- Kathy -- ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <tajackson@freenet.co.uk> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 1:15 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Ann Brandt's book > I wonder if you could check this book for any reference to the following: > Was a Jacob Switzer married to a Mary Ruckle circa 1808 ? (Jacob Switzer > was father to 10 boys but was, as I suspect, his wife Mary RUCKLE?) > > It would be great if you could clear this up or just add more weight to my > hunch. > Thanks > Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire > Researching: > Lancs - SMITH, MCDONNELL, HAYES > Ches.- MCDONNELL, GARNER, HOOLEY > Staffs.- GARNER > Surrey - WILKINSON, CHANDLER, FRY, PARRATT, PUNTER, LITTLE, > ARNOLD, BINFIELD > Canada & Ireland -SWITZER, LAWRENCE, JACKMAN > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Karen" <opgenort@sisqtel.net> > To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:17 AM > Subject: [IP] Ann Brandt's book > > > > I have a copy of "THE RUCKLE FAMILY: HIstory and Descendants of John & > > Martha Ruckle", Ann H. Brandt, Editor published in Bloomsburg, PA, July, > > 1986. > > Is this the book you're interested in, or did she write another? > > Most of the information in this book concerns descendants of > > Balthasar Rockel who was born in Germany in 1707 and died in > > Shoenersville, PA in 1800. Balthasar named his son Melchior. Put these > > two together with Caspar Ruckle who settled in Limerick and you have > > three wise men. I've always felt that there is a connection between > > the two families somewhere back in Germany. However, no one has found > > the link so far as I know. > > This book does contain some Palatine history in the front and a > > little sketchy information on a few Irish Palatines (all Ruckles, all in > > the USA) in the 2 page addendum at the back. I don't know where or > > whether you can obtain a copy of this book, but I'm willing to do look > > ups...............Karen > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > >

My SWITZERS didn't emmigrate from Ireland to Canada until 19th Century. Family lore has it that when the father died in Ireland he left an entailed estate called Castle Blainey. I wonder where or if this ties in with the Southwell estate. We have traced graves of members of the family in Limerick (I think ~ I was just a kid). Any ideas? Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire Researching: Lancs - SMITH, MCDONNELL, HAYES Ches.- MCDONNELL, GARNER, HOOLEY Staffs.- GARNER Surrey - WILKINSON, CHANDLER, FRY, PARRATT, PUNTER, LITTLE, ARNOLD, BINFIELD Canada & Ireland -SWITZER, LAWRENCE, JACKMAN ----- Original Message ----- From: "rfizzell" <rfizzell@earthlink.net> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2004 12:22 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Re: IRL-PALATINE-D Digest V04 #16 > The Southwell Estate included three villages: Ballingrane, Court Matrix and > Killiheen. Also, there was some kind of settlement by the Manor House, > Castle Matrix. Today, only Ballingrane continues as sort of a village. My > estimate would be that the estate was about 5 k across and wrapped around > the north and west of Rathkeale. There are maps in People Make Places. > > Bob Fizzell > > >Has anyone seen a map (available on line) that would show the extent of the > >Sir Thomas Southwell Estate and show the villages that were created by/for > >the Irish/Palatines 1709? > > > >Fred H. Hayward UE (Philip Embury) > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Be the best you can be right where you are. > >

I have a copy of "THE RUCKLE FAMILY: HIstory and Descendants of John & Martha Ruckle", Ann H. Brandt, Editor published in Bloomsburg, PA, July, 1986. Is this the book you're interested in, or did she write another? Most of the information in this book concerns descendants of Balthasar Rockel who was born in Germany in 1707 and died in Shoenersville, PA in 1800. Balthasar named his son Melchior. Put these two together with Caspar Ruckle who settled in Limerick and you have three wise men. I've always felt that there is a connection between the two families somewhere back in Germany. However, no one has found the link so far as I know. This book does contain some Palatine history in the front and a little sketchy information on a few Irish Palatines (all Ruckles, all in the USA) in the 2 page addendum at the back. I don't know where or whether you can obtain a copy of this book, but I'm willing to do look ups...............Karen

Hi Derek, I will be looking to see if anyone answers your query. If you get a private answer, will you let me know? I'm seeking this too! Beverly Railey Walter Oakmont PA Descendant of Henry Ruckle and Catherine Stark

Hi, Can anyone out there in the wide, wide world tell me from where I can obtain a copy of Brandt's History of the Ruttle Family ? It would be a great help as I continue to research my wife's family history. Hope we may see some of you on the Pfalz tour in a couple of month;s time Derek

I have not found that book but this may be a lead if you would like to look at it. Not sure if you have done this already. http://www.teskey.org/palhist.html Carrol Mick Bez4@aol.com wrote: Hi Derek, I will be looking to see if anyone answers your query. If you get a private answer, will you let me know? I'm seeking this too! Beverly Railey Walter Oakmont PA Descendant of Henry Ruckle and Catherine Stark ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance Tax Center - File online. File on time.

I've been "lurking" for some time on this list in hopes that something might pop for my elusive ancesters. Do any of you have the above in your ancestry ? They got married in 1756 in Philadelphia at St. Micheal & Zion Lutheran Church. Their children married Ann Maria Sprenkle, Dorothea Sprenkle, William Jones, ? Moore, James H. DeBurst, Mary Ford, John Schreiner, and Abigail Maxwell or Maxfield. Jacob's occupation was brickmaker. He lived in Philadelphia and Lancaster or York County. His children moved to Kentucky and branches moved onto MO and LA, and MS. I don't know if Johan Jacob Pop/Bobb(b. 9/25/1725; d 9/3/1791) and his wife (m. 11/20./1759) Maria Elizabeth Muoock (Molach) (b. 2/3/1735; d 3/7/1823) were part of the Palentine immigration or not. Thanks Tina.

Has anyone seen a map (available on line) that would show the extent of the Sir Thomas Southwell Estate and show the villages that were created by/for the Irish/Palatines 1709? Fred H. Hayward UE (Philip Embury) ----- Original Message ----- From: <IRL-PALATINE-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2004 5:00 PM Subject: IRL-PALATINE-D Digest V04 #16

The Southwell Estate included three villages: Ballingrane, Court Matrix and Killiheen. Also, there was some kind of settlement by the Manor House, Castle Matrix. Today, only Ballingrane continues as sort of a village. My estimate would be that the estate was about 5 k across and wrapped around the north and west of Rathkeale. There are maps in People Make Places. Bob Fizzell >Has anyone seen a map (available on line) that would show the extent of the >Sir Thomas Southwell Estate and show the villages that were created by/for >the Irish/Palatines 1709? > >Fred H. Hayward UE (Philip Embury)

At least it explains why my "Irish" grandmother looked like Hitler. I could never figure, out until I started doing the family genealogy, why she didn't look Irish....she wasn't, she was German. She truly did look like Hitler. She even had a mustache. Zelda On Sat, 27 Mar 2004 18:58:36 -0500, Judy Lyn wrote: > But it is great to talk to those that have the same > heritage as me. Only learned of it a few years ago. Up > til that time I thought we were Irish. But being a > descendant of the Irish Palatines is way cool.

Judy, Which surnames are you looking for again? Jeanne Fizell researching Bender, Trump, Hochthanner, Gruber, Buettner/Bittner, Jones, Schmidt, Scheidt,etc. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Lyn" <judylyn@gosympatico.ca> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 5:58 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Judy from Ontario > > I was just waiting for the snow to go away before I came out of my bush. It was just way to cold to go anywhere. > But it is great to talk to those that have the same heritage as me. Only learned of it a few years ago. Up til that time I thought we were Irish. But being a descendant of the Irish Palatines is way cool. What a rich and wonderful heritage we have. To have these courageous people as our ancestors is truly great. > > Judy > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers >