had this posted to my Roots web site perhaps it will help. Shirley ***note*** I did put her birth in Canada this was and error on my part, I am pretty sure that she was born in Germany ...Shirley ------------------------------------.......................................... ........... dmnorman@look.ca Tuesday, May 09, 2000 2:43 PM Database: adolphus Individual: I15823 Link: http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET& db=adolphus&id=I15823 Name: Doug Norman Email: dmnorman@look.ca URL: URL title: Note: The Ruckles were German Palatines who settled in Co. Limerick in c1709. So were the Switzers too, I believe. You appear to show Catherine Elizabeth Ruckle born in Canada in 1686. I suspect Catherine might be a daughter of Caspar Ruckle, b. 1660 in the Lower Palatine area of Germany ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------------------

I have found a site that has Irish Midi's on it, I will be putting different Irish songs on each page of the Keepsakebook... If any has a favorite midi that they would like on a certain page please email me it, and I will do that. Judy

Hi listers Some time ago there was a query from Peter Miller re Millers and Drews. I recently sent an email to his address but it has returned. If you read this, Peter, I have some information that might be helpful to you if I had an address. Mary Wallace

Just to let all know that Lodwick is done on the site www.geocities.com/keepsakebook Next on the list is Mick,,, will be putting on the button link as soon as I make it.. Judy

Hi, Sharon... from what I can gather it is a labourer or farm worker. If I'm wrong let me know. Cheers, Marilyn Willette -----Original Message----- From: Sharon Smith [mailto:moonshadow35@hotmail.com] Sent: March 31, 2004 9:50 AM To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IP] Yeoman Hi listers, Silly question, but what does Yeoman mean? All information I have about my GG-Grandfather says Yeoman. Does that mean farmer?? Thanks Sharon _________________________________________________________________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Be the best you can be right where you are.

Judy- I have started linking to some of your name pages from the Palatine family names list at the Irish Palatine Association site. http://www.irishpalatines.org/palfams.html I hope you don't mind, let me know if its OK. Thanks, Tom >Will be adding seven new pages within a short while. > >Legear, Lodwick, Miller, Modler, Piper, Rodenbecker, Ruttle. > >Also check out the photo's of the Hay Bay Church and cemetary >stones.. on Misc. Photos. We were in that area last year and I was >able to take these photo's, also, on my genealogy page, >www.geocities.com/judydrysdale >I have pictures of the Barbara Heck stone and several of the family >stones located at the Blue church Cemetary. > >I now have a digital camera, so I can take pictures and get them >right on the page. > >I am missing the Mick branch, I know someone gave me it, but I can't >find it, if anyone has the information needed to get that listed >please email me the info and I will get it on the page. > >Judy > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, >Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda

HI can you find me any information on Meredith Switzer, a Canadian childrens book author? I have an American School teacher that is looking for this information. Regards Mark Switzer

Thanks very much for the info, Judy. I will check it out further. Ed (Doupe-Shier-Switzer and others) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Lyn" <judylyn@gosympatico.ca> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 9:48 PM Subject: Re: Re: [IP] Shier > > Hi Ed, > If you go to my web site > www.geocities.com/judydrysdale > > you will find the information on the Doupe/Shier heritage > > My Gr.gr.gr. grandparents were Samuel and Catherine, > their Daughter Rachel married Nathaniel Shier then Charles Doupe. > > I do have the parents of Catherine, but I will have to check it out first. > > All the information you need on the Shier's and Doupe's and the immigration of the Palatines to England and then to Ireland and on the Canada is in there under History. > > I have pictures of the cemetary in Kirkton, and pictures of Rachel and Charles. > I am sure you will find it really interesting. > > Judy from Ontario. > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, > Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda > > --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 31/03/2004

I have Legacy Family Tree Software and this information was in the monthly newsletter I get. I thought it might be helpful to those of you searching overseas. Thanks, Carrol Mick www.iltrails.org/iroquois/ FreeBMD and Family Research Link for Births, Marriages and Deaths Indexes of England and Wales The civil registration of births, marriages and deaths for England and Wales began July 1, 1837 and is one of the most significant resources for genealogical research. The following Web sites will be most useful to you if you are already familiar with these quarterly civil registration indexes and wish to have the opportunity to search them in your own time, without having to visit a library or a register office in person. FreeBMD Search, found at www.freebmd.org.uk, is an ongoing project to transcribe the indexes, and to provide free Internet access to the transcribed indexes. The index transcriptions are carried out by dedicated volunteers and contain information for the period 1837-1983. Although the whole index has not yet been transcribed, it is searchable by event (birth, death or marriage), date range, surname and first name (also surname and first name of spouse), registration district and county. Registration district descriptions are also available at FreeBMD and should be carefully studied. This Web site should be consulted first before using the "pay as you view" site Family Research Link, below. The Family Research Link, found at www.1837online.com, enables you to search microfilmed images of the original indexes to births, marriages and deaths for England and Wales from 1837 to 2001 from the comfort of your own home. The Family Research Link images are available to search, view (including zooming in on those awkward-to-read names), save to disk and print for a modest fee chargeable online. The records from 1837 to 1983 can be searched in ten year periods by event, date range and surname (first three letters only). In addition, the records from 1837 to 1983 can be browsed by year and quarter. Moreover, the index images at Family Research Link are complete. Once an entry is located certificate of birth, death or marriage can be ordered online, provided you are a resident of the UK. Family Research Link is based in London, England and is part of an independently-owned business that is dedicated to providing high quality genealogical services to professional and non-professional researchers. Here are some things to keep in mind when searching the indexes at either FreeBMD or Family Research Link: � Become familiar with the registration district descriptions. For example, the Ledbury registration district is mainly in Herefordshire, but included parts of Worcestershire. Sub-districts include Ledbury and Yarkhill. Civil parishes within the Ledbury district include: Ashperton, Aylton, Bosbury, Canon Frome, Castle Frome, Coddington, Colwall, Donnington, Eastnor, Egleton, Ledbury, Little Marcle, Mathon (from 1897), Much Marcle, Munsley, Parkhold, Pixley, Putley, Stretton Grandison, Tarrington, Wellington Heath, Woolhope and Yarkhill. Knowing this information can help in locating an individual in the index and also in eliminating multiple entries of people who share the same name, but who were born, died or were married within different districts. For example, a page from the Oct-Dec 4th quarter index for 1846 marriages shows a dozen entries for the name James Davis, but only one of them is in the Ledbury registration district. � An event might not be indexed in the quarter that it actually happened. For example, a child born on December 20, 1875, might be found in either the Oct-Dec 4th quarter birth index for 1875 or the Jan-Mar 1st quarter birth index for 1876. Don't stop searching just because he or she is not located in the expected 4th quarter index. � There will be two index entries for marriages: one for the groom and one for the bride. It is a good idea to cross-reference the marriage index entries under both the groom and the bride to make sure the registration district, volume and page number agree before you order a certificate. For example the 1846 marriage of James Davis and Mary Powell shows that the index entries for each agree with Ledbury, Vol. XXVI, Page 298. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today

Hi Ed, If you go to my web site www.geocities.com/judydrysdale you will find the information on the Doupe/Shier heritage My Gr.gr.gr. grandparents were Samuel and Catherine, their Daughter Rachel married Nathaniel Shier then Charles Doupe. I do have the parents of Catherine, but I will have to check it out first. All the information you need on the Shier's and Doupe's and the immigration of the Palatines to England and then to Ireland and on the Canada is in there under History. I have pictures of the cemetary in Kirkton, and pictures of Rachel and Charles. I am sure you will find it really interesting. Judy from Ontario.

Hello Kim Though I'm not reseaching the Ruckle/Ruttle surname, my Switzers came from Kilcooley parish (lived at Newpark too) and knew the Ruckle (I think it's Ruckle) family. I visited the area 18 months ago and met the Rev in charge of the parish. She was very knowledgeable and has a lot of the parish records. She did a lot of work on the Switzers for me and for others. For a very small fee, I'm sure she would be pleased to help you. I'll find out from her if she'll let me give you her e-mail addrees. I have quite a few piccies of Kilcooley church and the area and I do remember seeing some Cooke gravestones there, though I'm afraid I didn't take a piccies of those. I'll post them if you or anyone else is interested. Regards Tanya in Wokingham, UK ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kim Cooke" <kcooke@cooke-enders.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, April 01, 2004 3:16 PM Subject: [IP] Ruckle Hello everyone Is anyone researching the Ruckle or Ruttle surname in Tipperary? I have a John Ruckle married Eliza Cooke in 1845 Kilcooley Parish, Tipperary. I believe this family lived at Newpark. I would be interested in hearing from anyone with information on this Tipperary Family. Thanks Kim Cooke kcooke@cooke-enders.com ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message.

----- Original Message ----- From: "hazel carlton" <historybuff@sasktel.net> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Yeoman > hello Ed and Savi you mentioned Shier in your letter. What branch > are you on??? Hazel Carlton > Hi Hazel, My great grandmother was Ellen Shier who married Robert Doupe. Ellen’s parents were Charlotte Switzer and Adam Shier. Adam’s patronymic lineage, as I understand it, is: Samuel Shier-Nicholas Shier Jr.-Nicholas Shier-Adam Shier-Johann (Hans) Adam Scheier. Charlotte’s mother was Sarah Shier and her lineage, again as I understand it, also traces back to Hans Adam Scheier: Sarah Shier-Henry Shier-Christopher Shier-Charles Shier-Hans Adam Scheier. So unless I’ve counted wrong, Ellen’s parents share the same great, great, great grandfather. This seems relatively common among the Irish Palatines, at least in my lineage. There are other Shiers as well. Robert Doupe’s grandfather, Samuel, married Catherine Shier. Unfortunately, I have no idea where Catherine came from. If anyone has info on her I would appreciate it. I’m sure her lineage will weave somehow into that of all the other Shiers. Like many of you, I have only recently become aware of the vast amount of information regarding my Irish Palatine ancestry and like you I find it intriguing and fascinating. I knew we had some kind of German links because of all the German-sounding names in our background, but I had no idea of the events surrounding the mass migration in 1709. In our family, we regarded our ancestors as loyal British subjects who came from Ireland. Hope you’re all having a good day. Ed Howitt Doupe-Shier-Switzer and others --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.648 / Virus Database: 415 - Release Date: 31/03/2004

Just to let everyone know the Legear page is completed in the Keepsake book site. www.geocities.com/keepsakebook Click on Legear. Don't have a lot on this family, tho I know one married into Doupe line. Anyone with any information on this family, please let me know and I will add it. Thanks. Judy

--=======39EE463D======= Content-Type: text/plain; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1515567E; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable At 09:50 a.m. 31/03/2004 -0500, you wrote: >Hi listers, > > Silly question, but what does Yeoman mean? All information I have about= =20 > my GG-Grandfather says Yeoman. Does that mean farmer?? > >Thanks Sharon Gogle turned up this: yeoman \Yeo"man\, n.; pl. Yeomen. [OE. yoman, [yogh]eman, [yogh]oman; of uncertain= =20 origin; perhaps the first, syllable is akin to OFries. g[=3Da] district,=20 region, G. gau, OHG. gewi, gouwi, Goth. gawi. [root]100.] 1. A common man,= =20 or one of the commonly of the first or most respectable class; a=20 freeholder; a man free born. Note: A yeoman in England is considered as next in order to the gentry. The= =20 word is little used in the United States, unless as a title in law=20 proceedings and instruments, designating occupation, and this only in=20 particular States. 2. A servant; a retainer. [Obs.] A yeman hadde he and servants no mo. --Chaucer. 3. A yeoman of the guard; also, a member of the yeomanry cavalry. [Eng.] 4. (Naut.) An interior officer under the boatswain, gunner, or carpenters,= =20 charged with the stowage, account, and distribution of the stores. Yeoman of the guard, one of the bodyguard of the English sovereign,=20 consisting of the hundred yeomen, armed with partisans, and habited in the= =20 costume of the sixteenth century. They are members of the royal household. Source: Webster's Revised Unabridged Dictionary, =A9 1996, 1998 MICRA, Inc Cheers... /Mike -- Web site and daynotes at http://www.icarus.gen.nz --=======39EE463D======= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-avg=cert; x-avg-checked=avg-ok-1515567E Content-Disposition: inline --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.644 / Virus Database: 412 - Release Date: 26/03/2004 --=======39EE463D=======--

Hello everyone Is anyone researching the Ruckle or Ruttle surname in Tipperary? I have a John Ruckle married Eliza Cooke in 1845 Kilcooley Parish, Tipperary. I believe this family lived at Newpark. I would be interested in hearing from anyone with information on this Tipperary Family. Thanks Kim Cooke kcooke@cooke-enders.com

Will be adding seven new pages within a short while. Legear, Lodwick, Miller, Modler, Piper, Rodenbecker, Ruttle. Also check out the photo's of the Hay Bay Church and cemetary stones.. on Misc. Photos. We were in that area last year and I was able to take these photo's, also, on my genealogy page, www.geocities.com/judydrysdale I have pictures of the Barbara Heck stone and several of the family stones located at the Blue church Cemetary. I now have a digital camera, so I can take pictures and get them right on the page. I am missing the Mick branch, I know someone gave me it, but I can't find it, if anyone has the information needed to get that listed please email me the info and I will get it on the page. Judy

I found a few more backgrounds to continue the list on my keepsake book site on the palatines. Will be starting again tomorrow. I am slow at this but keep checking to see if your name has been added. www.geocities.com/keepsakebook I know I have the switzer information everyone is wanting but I can't locate it. Have most everyone else, but not that, lost it somehow, but it is here somewhere. Judy

Terry, I'm afraid I may have created some confusion on my own by trying to answer two messages with one of my own. The info on Johanne Christopher Switzer was a response to Pat Wheeler's message. The marriage of Jacob Switzer and Mary Ruckle (d/o Daniel) is listed on page 104 of Henry Z. Jones' book. He sites Walter Ruttle as the source for this information. Lacking absolute documentation from 1808, Walter Ruttle is as good a source as you could get. Though I have never had the privilege, I know others who have made the pilgrimage to Ireland, looking for their Ruckle/Ruckel/Ruttle roots and found Walter and his wife, Nan, living in the original Ruckle home in Ballingrane. Surely this Mary Ruckle must be your ancestor. I can't find any mention of a Margaret Ruckle who fits the appropriate place and time frame to have married your Jacob. By the way, I'm descended from Mary's brother, George of Adare.............Karen

The only George Sparling I have was married to Rebecca Shire. Pat

Thanks for this. Yes the re-use of forenames and intermarriage certainly make for some untangling. You said "As far as the wife of Johann Christopher Schweitzer goes, Henry Z. > Jones in "The Palatine Families of Ireland" gives her name as Catherine > Elizabeth, but doesn't supply a surname. This is the first I've heard > that she might have been a Ruckle, but if so, her father was probably > Caspar." My ancestor was Jacob SWITZER and not Johanne Christopher Switzer and we think he may have married Margaret RUCKLE circa 1808. Their first son, my great great grandfather, Benjamin, was born in 1809 in Ireland. Thanks again for the lookup. Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karen" <opgenort@sisqtel.net> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Ann Brandt's book > It's sometimes difficult to sort out the early Palatines because > they kept recycling the same names. There was indeed a marriage between > Mary Ruckle and Jacob Switzer. She was born abt 1781, the daughter of > Daniel who was the son of Sebastian. A later Daniel, son of George of > Adare, had a daughter Catherine who married John Switzer. That marriage > took place in Ontario, Canada after Catherine's first husband, John > Empey, died in 1857. Catherine and John Switzer went on to have ten > children. > As far as the wife of Johann Christopher Schweitzer goes, Henry Z. > Jones in "The Palatine Families of Ireland" gives her name as Catherine > Elizabeth, but doesn't supply a surname. This is the first I've heard > that she might have been a Ruckle, but if so, her father was probably > Caspar. > None of these folks are mentioned in Ann Brandt's book which deals > only with Ruckle families who lived in the United States......Karen > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. > >