I found quite a bit more on the Detlor family as well, I will be adding it to that page when I get around to it. There are many books in the Library that give a lot of genealogy to these Irish palatines.. will have to go and get them out again and put them on the pages for all to see. Judy

My source is from Royal Spear and he has Juliana as the first child of this couple. she married Jacob Teskey ye younger in 1746 she died in 1783. I do not have anything else on them or their children. If I come across it I will let you know. Judy I have all the children of Johann and Katherine if any would like to know them.. I will be putting it all down on the switzer page once I get to them. My connection to the Switzer's is from the 4th generation down. When they married into the Shier line. Hope this helps. Judy

All the information I have on this family is now on the lodwick page. Please, if anyone has anything to add to it, please let me know and I will put it on the page. Thanks Judy

Judy- I have tried to access your web page on three occasions, unsuccessfully- is it down while you are adding to it? I'm anxious to see your page on the Detlors when it is done.I'm a direct descendant of Valentine Detlor. Cathy Behan cpbehan@rogers.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Lyn" <judylyn@gosympatico.ca> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 11:19 AM Subject: [IP] Detlor/Tetlor > > I found quite a bit more on the Detlor family as well, I will be adding it to that page when I get around to it. > > There are many books in the Library that give a lot of genealogy to these Irish palatines.. will have to go and get them out again and put them on the pages for all to see. > > Judy > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. > >

Found a lot more info on solomon Lodwick in the information sheets Royal Spear sent me. I now have children for Solomon and Ann Eve apparently 10 of them. And for his Son Christopher and martha Teskey and for Sarah Lodwick and Charles Doupe and then for Adam lodwick and Sarah Ann Teskey Elizabeth Lodwich and Thomas Ruttle Will be adding this information to the Lodwick page shortly. It is amazing what I have found with these notes. Judy

If you go to www.geocities.com/keepsakebook and click on Dolmage,, they are there. Dolmage is related to me as well.. Hope this helps. Judy

Anyone on the list with Ann Dolmage and Philip St John of 1784 Rathkeale, County Limerick? Dan

Hi Paul: My records, which are from the research of B. Wesley Switzer, show this couple to have 8 children, and there isn`t any mention of Julianna/Joanna. Perhaps, Mary Wallace could give a definitive coment. I`ve noticed her on the list in the last few dayss. Grant. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Dicks" <cyclistpaul1@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 2:03 PM Subject: [IP] Joanna Switzer > Okay, all you Switzer experts. I am stumped. I am following Johann > Christopher Schweitzer/Katherine Elizabeth Ruckle's offspring. One source > on Rootsweb has a Julianna/Joanna, one does not. I am also noting different > numbers and names of offspring from different sources. Could someone with a > definite resource shine some light on this problem? There is no sense > continuing the line if I am assigning children to the incorrect parents. > > Take care, Paul Dicks > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months > FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=htt p://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. > >

Okay, all you Switzer experts. I am stumped. I am following Johann Christopher Schweitzer/Katherine Elizabeth Ruckle's offspring. One source on Rootsweb has a Julianna/Joanna, one does not. I am also noting different numbers and names of offspring from different sources. Could someone with a definite resource shine some light on this problem? There is no sense continuing the line if I am assigning children to the incorrect parents. Take care, Paul Dicks _________________________________________________________________ MSN Premium with Virus Guard and Firewall* from McAfee® Security : 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines

HI Pete! Have you seen any Young's that were in Glenosheen, Rathkeale, Co., limerick. I need to find my #4 g/gf Peter Young b 1749 ? and then was in Rowan Co., NC in 1766. Maried a Katherine Totorow there abt. 1802. Take Care Roland Young ----- Original Message ----- From: "petemiller" <petemiller@charter.net> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2004 4:05 AM Subject: [IP] Co Limerick Millers > I am in search of the ancestors of Adam Miller b. 1780, presumably > county Limerick, died 1878 Kilbreedy, spouse unknown. This Adam's > documented children: > Samuel b. abt 1823 m. Isabella Drew > Catherine b. 1830 m. Michael Shaughnessy > William b. abt 1825 m. Maria Bovenizer > Adam b. abt 1824 m. Anne Unknown > Possibly George > I have sought to link this Adam with the well documented Palatine > Millers from Rathkeale Courtmatrix but to date have been unsuccessful. > Any help greatly appreciated, I have a fair amount of documented > information on the descendants of the above children, including living > descendants in Ireland in the event any listeners have an interest. > Pete Miller > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com >

I am in search of the ancestors of Adam Miller b. 1780, presumably county Limerick, died 1878 Kilbreedy, spouse unknown. This Adam's documented children: Samuel b. abt 1823 m. Isabella Drew Catherine b. 1830 m. Michael Shaughnessy William b. abt 1825 m. Maria Bovenizer Adam b. abt 1824 m. Anne Unknown Possibly George I have sought to link this Adam with the well documented Palatine Millers from Rathkeale Courtmatrix but to date have been unsuccessful. Any help greatly appreciated, I have a fair amount of documented information on the descendants of the above children, including living descendants in Ireland in the event any listeners have an interest. Pete Miller

Hello Mary, The surname EMPEY caught my eye in the bit about the historical sketch. Is there a reference to exactly which EMPEY this was? Was Catherine the d/o John EMPEY? And if I understand you correctly, RUCKLE was her maiden name and she married first an EMPEY and then a SWITZER? Thanks... Susan Sac> Eula Lapp in To Their Heirs Forever says that Catherine, wife of Johan Sac> Christopher Switzer of Court Matrix was a Ruckle. Sac> A Historical Sketch written by J. Holmes for the Ruckle-Switzer picnic in Sac> 1925says in part: Mrs. Switzer [Catherine Ruckle Empey, daughter of Daniel son Sac> of George] also says ----- that Grandfather Switzer [Jacob, husband of Mary Sac> Ruckle] was second cousin of her father, Daniel Ruckle" Sac> Jacob Switzer born 1756 was a second cousin once removed of Daniel Ruckle and Sac> is probably the Jacob who married Mary Ruckle. This Jacob was a grandson of Sac> Johan Christopher Switzer. Sac> Mary Sac> ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Sac> Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about Sac> events. Small minds talk about people. -- Best regards, SL mailto:valcour@earthlink.net

Hi, all... What fun to see the list so active! I know we have a bunch of folks chasing the Legear/LeGear surname and its variations. Does anybody have an interest in a John Leger who would have made the crossing from Ireland to NYC before 1788? Susan -- Best regards, SL mailto:valcour@earthlink.net

Bob, I wholeheartedly agree with your comment about including sources, but I did want to say that your saying you were 65 and not interested in having more children gave me a wonderful chuckle. I descend from the Ruckles and Starks of County Limerick; my ancestors traveled to Western Maryland. Is there a Ruckle reunion planned for this summer? Beverly Railey Walter Oakmont PA and Morgantown WV

Judy, May I suggest that, where possible, you show your information sources, at least for major inputs. Without this information, all your work might either be regarded as gospel or alternatively as pretty but of limited value. Experienced genealogists know that they should always get as close to the source as possible, but hasty viewers may be tempted to take things at face value. Knowing at least who supplied your material may give some level of comfort (or perhaps otherwise). Ken McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Lyn" <judylyn@gosympatico.ca> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Mick info Hello All, Have started work on the Mick page, the extensive information that alberta Calendar sent me is a lot to go got thru, as i do I will be adding the information on to the page. May take a bit of doing but I will eventually get it down. Judy ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Try to do little things in an extraordinary way.

I would like to support Ken McDonald's request that we all make our sources as clear as possible. While it is, at times, good to be brief, the full information must be close at hand. In regard to the long fertility of our ancestors: My g-g-grandfather,Tobias Fizzell, b.1798, Court Matrix, had at least 4 children in Ireland before moving to Canada in the 1840s. He then remarried and had 12 more, the last, George, being born when Tobias was 68 years old. George's grandson, also George, is the same generation as my father, being my 2nd cousin once removed, but is about 15 years younger than I! Tobias' first son, William, was 41 years old and had five children by the time his last half brother was born. He was a grandfather soon after George's birth. (See records of the Church of Ireland, County Limerick, various Canadian and U.S. census data.) Bob Fizzell -- 65 years old and not interested in having any more children!

that is what I have tried to do here, as much as possible, there is so much information that I have to shuffle thru it to make sense out of it, if you have seen my pages I do not put a lot of extra stuff in, just the main particulars. I have not even bitten into it very far. It is going to take some time to gleen the information of fathers/mothers and children, dates and the like. Not all of it is close to each other. thanks for the suggestion. Judy

I was just thinking I was getting somewhere when I read this mail (ie last paragraph about Jacob Switzer and Mary Ruckle) because I have found a mention of the marriage of Jacob to Mary Ruckle in 1808 and my Great Great Grandfather Benjamin son of Jacob (the eldest of 10 boys) born in 1809. Now though it has been pointed out to me that if Jacob Switzer was born in 1756 he would have been 52 when he married and 53 when the first of 10 boys was born. Unlikely don't you think? It begins to look as if there were at least two Jacob Switzers and the younger of the two must have been the one to marry Mary Ruckle and went on to have ten boys. All we need to do now is find out who he is! According to my grandfather's book about his family when Jacob died in Ireland a messenger was sent to Benjamin in Canada to inform him that he had in herited the family estate said to consiste of a Castle Blainey and land adjoining. However this estate, like so many in the old country was 'entailed' and he advised the mesenger that he did not want it, so that it would then pass on to his next younger brother. I believe this would have been William Switzer who lived near Bolton, Ontario but he could also have refused it and it could have then gone to John, Joseph, Reuben, HArvey, Thomas, Bartholomew, Daniel or Christopher. Castle Blainey appears to be north of Dublin and not as far as I'm aware part of the Southwell estate. If Jacob Switzer in Mary's mail was second cousin once removed of Daniels then surely it is possible that he had a son, also called Jacob, who would have been second cousin to Daniel. If so then the relationship given in the 1925 picnic sketch would be correct and this Jacob would have been great grandson of Johan Christopher Switzer. I'm sorry if this is a bit waffly. I hope it makes sense to someone and that we can somehow make a leap forward. Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire Researching: Lancs - SMITH, MCDONNELL, HAYES Ches.- MCDONNELL, GARNER, HOOLEY Staffs.- GARNER Surrey - WILKINSON, CHANDLER, FRY, PARRATT, PUNTER, LITTLE, ARNOLD, BINFIELD Canada & Ireland -SWITZER, LAWRENCE, JACKMAN ----- Original Message ----- From: <Switzerdolmage@aol.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 05, 2004 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Ann Brandt's book > Eula Lapp in To Their Heirs Forever says that Catherine, wife of Johan > Christopher Switzer of Court Matrix was a Ruckle. > > A Historical Sketch written by J. Holmes for the Ruckle-Switzer picnic in > 1925says in part: Mrs. Switzer [Catherine Ruckle Empey, daughter of Daniel son > of George] also says ----- that Grandfather Switzer [Jacob, husband of Mary > Ruckle] was second cousin of her father, Daniel Ruckle" > > Jacob Switzer born 1756 was a second cousin once removed of Daniel Ruckle and > is probably the Jacob who married Mary Ruckle. This Jacob was a grandson of > Johan Christopher Switzer. > > Mary > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people. > >

Hello All, Have started work on the Mick page, the extensive information that alberta Calendar sent me is a lot to go got thru, as i do I will be adding the information on to the page. May take a bit of doing but I will eventually get it down. Judy

Judy, Where is this Mick site? and information. Carrol Mick Ken McDonald <Teskey@btinternet.com> wrote: Judy, May I suggest that, where possible, you show your information sources, at least for major inputs. Without this information, all your work might either be regarded as gospel or alternatively as pretty but of limited value. Experienced genealogists know that they should always get as close to the source as possible, but hasty viewers may be tempted to take things at face value. Knowing at least who supplied your material may give some level of comfort (or perhaps otherwise). Ken McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Lyn" To: Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2004 6:26 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Mick info Hello All, Have started work on the Mick page, the extensive information that alberta Calendar sent me is a lot to go got thru, as i do I will be adding the information on to the page. May take a bit of doing but I will eventually get it down. Judy ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today