This was a small printed pamphlet titled "The Ruckle-Switzer FOURTH Annual Reunion Picnic Held at Springbank Park, London, Ont., August the Twentieth 1925" and then "A Brief Sketch of the Histories of the two Families". prepared by J. Holmes. J. Holmes was a descendant of Daniel Switzer and Ann Readie. Daniel died in Ireland but Ann came to CAnada and lived with her son John in Dereham Township, Oxford County. Daniel's sister, Ann, married Daniel Ruckle and they also lived in Dereham Township. Daniel's son John married Catherine, daughter of DAnuel Ruckle and Ann Switzer. Mary

I need Roberta's email.. I have to ask her about something, In the children of Henry and Elizabeth, she states that Richard married Mary Long, and further in the information she has Joseph Marrying Mary Long, I don't have Joseph even being down here as a child. Can she or anyone clarify this? I am getting down to that family and don't know if it is Richard or Joseph who married this woman. Judy CHILDREN OF HENRY & ELIZABETH: Henry, Peter, Dora, Richard, Mary Anne, (Joseph) Not mentioned below., John. HENRY born c l80l-2 (died l4-l2-l88l) He had married twice - firstly to Catherine Neville . (They had a son JAMES baptised on l2-7-l856 in the Roman Catholic Church, Rathkeale.) I have a Marriage Cert which says they were married in Nantenan Church l5-8-l848 His second marriage was to Catherine Buckley (a daughter of John) on l9-9-l874. NO FURTHER RECORD. PETER baptised 4-3-l804, married “Mary” and they had a son RICHARD baptised 9-l2-l853 - NO FURTHER RECORD DORA l8-ll-l804. NO FURTHER RECORD JOHN born/bapt 25-6-l8l2 NO RECORD. Could he have been the JOHN who converted to Roman Catholicism in order to marry in l868 and was he my mother’s grand-uncle rather than her uncle who was a Coachman. (See John and Mary Patt l869 whose son John married Mary Curran in l895. R.C. Records are not available to me. MARY ANNE daughter of HENRY/Elizabeth Teskey, born cl8l2. She married JOHN HALLORAN 2l-l2-l847 and their son John Halloran married ELIZABETH his cousin, daughter of Joseph Micks. RICHARD 9-3-l806 (died 28-4-l897) Married MARY LONG. .(born l821 died 21-2-l889 buried 24th)

Judy, This is Carrol Mick. I have been sifting through all of the information that you forwarded me from someone. I should have it fomewhat figured out this week, then I will send it to you. Carrol Judy Lyn <judylyn@gosympatico.ca> wrote: I need Roberta's email.. I have to ask her about something, In the children of Henry and Elizabeth, she states that Richard married Mary Long, and further in the information she has Joseph Marrying Mary Long, I don't have Joseph even being down here as a child. Can she or anyone clarify this? I am getting down to that family and don't know if it is Richard or Joseph who married this woman. Judy CHILDREN OF HENRY & ELIZABETH: Henry, Peter, Dora, Richard, Mary Anne, (Joseph) Not mentioned below., John. HENRY born c l80l-2 (died l4-l2-l88l) He had married twice - firstly to Catherine Neville . (They had a son JAMES baptised on l2-7-l856 in the Roman Catholic Church, Rathkeale.) I have a Marriage Cert which says they were married in Nantenan Church l5-8-l848 His second marriage was to Catherine Buckley (a daughter of John) on l9-9-l874. NO FURTHER RECORD. PETER baptised 4-3-l804, married �Mary� and they had a son RICHARD baptised 9-l2-l853 - NO FURTHER RECORD DORA l8-ll-l804. NO FURTHER RECORD JOHN born/bapt 25-6-l8l2 NO RECORD. Could he have been the JOHN who converted to Roman Catholicism in order to marry in l868 and was he my mother�s grand-uncle rather than her uncle who was a Coachman. (See John and Mary Patt l869 whose son John married Mary Curran in l895. R.C. Records are not available to me. MARY ANNE daughter of HENRY/Elizabeth Teskey, born cl8l2. She married JOHN HALLORAN 2l-l2-l847 and their son John Halloran married ELIZABETH his cousin, daughter of Joseph Micks. RICHARD 9-3-l806 (died 28-4-l897) Married MARY LONG. .(born l821 died 21-2-l889 buried 24th) ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Small Business $15K Web Design Giveaway - Enter today

Pat - Would you please post this to the list so we can all see Juliana's family, especially we Switzer descendants. Thanks, Sharon From: "Judy Lyn" <judylyn@gosympatico.ca> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 8:04 PM Subject: [IP] RE SWITZER I would Pat, I will be doing the Switzer's eventually, and would like to have the 12 children. That would be wonderful. Still working on the Mick page, I have a lot to do on it, but hopefully will get it done soon. Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat Wheeler" <blube@oanet.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, April 12, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: [IP] RE SWITZER > I have a Juliana Switzer d\o Johann Hans and Katherine Ruckle. Born 1726 died Nov 17,1783 married feb 14 1746\47 Had 12 children if anyone wants their names. > > Pat > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. >

I would Pat, I will be doing the Switzer's eventually, and would like to have the 12 children. That would be wonderful. Still working on the Mick page, I have a lot to do on it, but hopefully will get it done soon. Judy

I have a Juliana Switzer d\o Johann Hans and Katherine Ruckle. Born 1726 died Nov 17,1783 married feb 14 1746\47 Had 12 children if anyone wants their names. Pat

I am sorry but the information that Robert gave me is not very clear and has far too much information that is not revelant .. if anyone can give me this family in a format I can understand and put down without too much trouble, (because I am taking far to long to figure out this family from what I have which is pages and pages and pages of data) I would appreciate it I need Name, date of birth, spouse, date of marriage, death in that order then Children of these ones, in the same order. If you like you can take up where I have left off, Thank you

for those who are looking into Heavenor records, I found a site with baptism for the Heavenor's, you might find this helpful with looking for links. To John and Mary Heavenor... (do not know any of these ppl's parents, but you might) Richard bapt. March 24, 1806 Mary December 13, 1808 Joseph October 3, 1814 To a William and Eliza (Elizabeth) John July 22, 1812 Susanna March 22, 1814 Margaret December 9, 1827 (jump of 13 years) Eliza Sept. 5, 1828 Mary Ann Nov. 2, 1832 Thomas Jan. 23 1835 Harriott June 19, 1836 Jane August 8, 1839 Martha August 29, 1840 To a Harvy and Jane Susanna Oct. 14, 1812 William June 4, 1814 Charles June 16, 1816 Susanna August 1, 1819 Rebecca May 19, 1822 Jane March 4, 1827 Harvy Aug. 21, 1831 Rachel Feb. 5, 1837 to a John and Lilly Heavenor Samuel Oct. 29, 1820 John Feb. 8, 1823 William Apr. 11, 1825 Anne Mar. 17, 1826 Edward Aug. 31, 1828 Isaac Dec. 15, 1829 Sarah May 27, 1833 Uriah Apr. 26, 1836 Levina Mar. 17, 1839 Richard Nov. 20, 1844 To a David and Mary Ann Lilly May 25, 1900 Chrisopher May 22, 1904 Richard 1909 Mary Ann Jan. 11, 1917 Julia Isabella Sept. 16, 1919 Daniel and Mary Ann Ida Augusta July 29, 1906 William Supple 1911 Violet Maud Aug. 19, 1913 Some deaths: John Heavenor May 15, 1878 Elizabeth (Drew) Heavenor Jan. 9, 1880 Lilly (Cooper) Heavenor March 25, 1881 (could this be the Lilly of John and Lilly that had 10 children) Richard Heavenor August 30, 1881 I hope this helps in establishing some relationships, if I find anything else I will let you know. Judy

Hi Bob, According to my records from Royal, Adam fitzelle who married Anne, had three sons, Adam, John and Peter. John appears to be the father/gr. father of Margaret, as he said some relationships betwen the 2nd and 3rd generations haven't been clearly established. Margaret who married William "Peter" Sparling appears to be in this line, she came to Camden Valley N.Y. & then N. Sydney. N.S. I have this information on the keepsakebook site. www.geocities.com/keepsakebook/fitzelle.html Hope this helps Judy

There are very few Irish Palatine records prior to 1740. I believe that Hank Jones commented that many were destroyed (in a fire?) at that time. I know that for my family, there are no records that I have found that make a clear connection between the immigrants and the first Ireland-born generation. There is an intersting Margaret Fizzell of that generation who married a Peter Sparling and went with the New York migration in 1760. I have no information on her parents or siblings. My ancestor was called "Adam ye Younger," which makes one suspect that he is the son of Johann Adam, but no records have been found to support that. There were 2 other Fizzell (Fischel) brothers among the immigrants. Bob Fizzell Tom Upshaw wrote: >...As I vaguely recall there >was also an explanation for how it was reasonable that there was no >record for her (incomplete church records or whatever, I can't recall >now). It is rather unlikely that she was unrelated to all the other >Switzers in the same Irish Palatine settlement. An interesting >mystery. I would certainly be interested if anyone has any further >information about Joanna/Juliana. >Tom

Is this the Julian ? SWITZER that we are talking about? [second one down on list] This is a list of Rathkeale marriages that I put online in 2001 from microfilm #0897365 from Family History Library in SLC. MARRIAGES for Rathkeale, County Limerick, Ireland 1744-Apr 3-- SWITZER, Martin LEGIER, Barbara 1746--Feb 17 TUSKIN, Jacob of Killeheen SWITZER, Julian of Courtmatress 1749-May 9 DOLMAGE, Jacob SWITZER, Anna Barbara, both of Courtmatress 1754--9br 19 SWITZER, Tobias of Courtmatress SHIRE, Dorothy 1758--Oct 31 EMBURY, Philip of parish of Nantinan SWITZER, Margaret of parish of Rathkeale married in church of Rathkeale 1759-Sept 25 SWITZER John SHIRE, Mary d/o Charles of Courtmatress 1760-9br 26 SWITZER, Martin TUSKY, Elizabeth 1764-Jan 17 MILLER, Garrett SWITZER, Catherine 1766-Sept 29 SWITZER, Michael SHIRE, Ann 1769-Apr 18 SWITZER, Charles BOVENHOIZER, Catherine 1772-June 9 SWITZER, Peter TESKEY, Catherine 1777-July 7 SWITZER, Jacob SHIRE, Hariot, both parish of Rathkeale 1778- _ONG, John, parish of Killcornan SWITZER, Barbara of this parish 1780-Mch 27 SWITZER, Christopher DOLMAGE, Elizabeth of this parish 1780-Nov 28 DOLMAGE Jacob SWITZER, Chath, both of Castlematress 1783-July 22 DOLMAGE, Christopher of parish of Croom SWITZER, Ann of Castlematress 1783-Aug 3 SWITZER, Tobias of Castlematress McLOUGHLIN, Margaret of Rathkeale 1785-Jan 4 SWITZER, John of parish of Adare BOVENHOIZER, Mary of parish of Kilscannel 1785-Mar 3 SHIRE, John SWITZER, Mary, both of Castlematress 1786-Feb 28 SWITZER, Tobias NEZZER, Elizabeth, both parish of Rathkeale 1786-May 9 HALPIN, Henry SWITZER, Elizabeth, both of Courtmatress 1788-Apr 6 MILLER, Christopher SWITZER, Sarah, both of this parish 1788- May 12 SWITZER, Martin KENEDY, Catherine, both of this parish 1789-Feb 10 TINSLY, Thomas SWITZER, Juliana, both of Castlematress 1790-Feb 16 GILL, John SWITZER, Anne, both of this parish 1791-Jan 25 SWITZER, Samuel of parish of Rathkeale CORNELIUS, Mary of Killeheen 1793-May 21 SPEERING, George, parish of Adare SWITZER, Hannah of this parish 1795-May 17 CORNWALL, John SWITZER, Ann 1795-Aug 25 SWITZER, Adam SWITZER, Sarah 1795-Oct 13 SWITZER, Martin DOLMAGE, Ellinor 1797-Aug 15 DOLMAGE, James SWITZER, Frances, both of this parish 1803-Jan 13 DOLMAGE, John SWITZER, Mary, both of this parish, by license by Mr Condon 1804-Feb 10 SWITZER, Nathaniel of Killcooly, Co. Tipperary TESKEY, Elizabeth 1804-Feb 14 MILLER, Jacob SWITZER, Margaret, both of Courtmatress 1807-Feb 10 SWITZER Amos of Courtmatress DOLMAGE, Margaret of Court Lodge by license 1807-June 9 SWITZER, George SWITZER, Ann, both of Courtmatrass 1809-July 9 SWITZER, Samuel CONDON, Elizabeth, both of Courtmatress, by license 1809-Nov 13 EDWARDS, William, soldier of North Mayo Militia SWITZER, Margaret of Courtmatress by license 1810-Jan 30 SWITZER, Philip of Courtmatress SWITZER, Sarah by license 1811-May 14 SWITZER, Edward-wheelright SWITZER, Catherine of Courtmatress 1811-June 27 LONG, James of parish of Kilcornan SWITZER, Elizabeth of Courtmatrass, by licence 1813-Sept 29 SWITZER, John -weaver MODLER (Sp??) Eleanor-both of Courtmatress, by license 1818-Nov 24 WILLIAMS, Philip SWITZER, Dorothy-both of Courtmatrass 1823-Jan 23 BROWN, John- soldier in the 1st Batn. Rifle Brigade SWITZER, Frances of parish of Rathkeale-by license 1824-June 16 SHIRE, Adam-farmer SWITZER, Matilda-by license 1828-Apr 19 SWITZER, William of Graigue SWITZER, Belinda of Rathkeale, by license 1829-Oct 13 SHIRE, Charles SWITZER, Emily of Courtmatrass, by license 1833-Aug 15 SPARLING, John-farmer of Broom Lodge, Co. Limerick SWITZER, Margaret Jane of Court-by license 1836-Oct 6 SWITZER, Christopher of Courtmatrix in this parish DONOVAN, Ellen of Rathkeale, by license 1838-Jan 30 SWITZER, Tobias of Courtmatrass-parish of Rathkeale-carpenter SWITZER, Harriet of said place-by license-being both of age Wit.--Jacob Bowen & Michael Switzer 1841-Nov 20 SWITZER, Amos of Rathkeale-labourer CRIPPS, Mary Anne of same parish-by license & being of age unsigned and unwitnessed 1842-Apr 7 SWITZER, Charles of this parish BOURKE, the widow(signs E. Bourke) of this parish by license Wit. Jos. Bourke & Wm. Hodges 1852-May 23 SHIRE, Tobias Nicholas-full age, bachelor, farmer, Courtmatrix s/o Nicholas-farmer SWITZER, Gertrude-full age, spinster, Courtmatrix, d/o Amos, farmer by license--Wit. Jeturo Switzer, Mary Bowen 1852-Feb 19 DELMAGE, William, 25, bachelor, farmer, Courtvillage, s/o John-farmer SWITZER, Julia, 20, spinster, Courtvillage d/o Zacharish-farmer by license--Wit. John LeGear, Joseph Bennett 1854- Feb 1 CORNEILLE, William, full age, bachelor, farmer, Killeheen, parish of Ki_scannel, s/o James-farmer SWITZER, Dorothea, 20, spinster, Courtmatrus, d/o Zachariah-farmer by license--Wit. Joseph Bennett, Zachariah Switzer 1854-Feb 16 SWITZER, Jacob, full age, bachelor, farmer, Courtmatruss s/o Henry (dead)-farmer TESKEY, Frances, full age, spinster, Courtmatress, d/o Garrett-farmer by license--Wit. Joseph Bennett, Garrett Teskey 1855-May 15 SWITZER, John, 29, bachelor, farmer, Killiheen, s/o William-farmer SWITZER, Eliza, 23, spinster, Courtmatrix d/o Henry (dead)-farmer by license--Wit. Pierce B Stafford M D, John LeGear 1857-Jan 13 SWITZER, John, 15, bachelor, farmer, Courtmatrix s/o Amos-farmer SWITZER, Eliza, 20, spinster, Courtmatrix, d/o Zachariah-farmer by license--Wit. John Heller, Jethro Switzer 1861-Feb 11 LEGIER, Christopher, 23, bachelor, labourer, Beechmount, s/o John-labourer SWITZER, Henrietta, 21, spinster, servant, Courtmatrix, d/o Tobias-carpenter by banns--Wit. Tobias Switzer, J T Bennett 1863-June 22 HA_GAN(??), William, full age, bachelor, tailor, Rathkeale, s/o John-labourer SWITZER, Eliza, full age, spinster, Rathkeale, d/o Nehemiah-tailor by banns--Wit. J F Bennett, F J Quinn 1878-Mar 5 MILLER, John, full age, bachelor, farmer of Garranroe Croom s/o Peter-farmer SWITZER, Sarah, full age, spinster of Court, Rathkeale d/o Zachariah-farmer by _____- Wit. William Delmage, Adam Miller 1878-Aug 1 FARRELL, Edward, full age, bachelor, shoemaker, Rathkeale s/o John-bricklayer SWITZER, Mary Anne, full age, spinster, Courtmatrix, Rathkeale d/o Henry-carpenter by license--Wit. Samuel Shier, Henry Switzer 1892-Apr 16 McCLELLAND, Thomas Hiram, 30, bachelor, constable RIC of Athea, Co. Limerick s/o David William- commercial traveller SWITZER, Gertrude Annie, 25, spinster, Courtmatrix, Rathkeale d/o Jethro-farmer by _____- Wit. George Twiss, Joseph Switzer Barb Milburn, Ontario, Canada Tom Upshaw wrote: > > I am a descendant of Joanna/Juliana. Her parentage has not been > confirmed in a primary source to my knowledge, but she was of the > right time and place, and no other parents have been proposed that > would fit better with her scant details. As I vaguely recall there > was also an explanation for how it was reasonable that there was no > record for her (incomplete church records or whatever, I can't recall > now). It is rather unlikely that she was unrelated to all the other > Switzers in the same Irish Palatine settlement. An interesting > mystery. I would certainly be interested if anyone has any further > information about Joanna/Juliana. > Tom > > > Somehow, Royal Spear found a reference to a Daughter Juliana, as > >she married Jacob Teskey. > >she died in 1783, no mention of a birth,He does list three girls > >dying Margaret in 1743, Catherine in 1755 and Christiana 1747 - 1750 > >I always found this sad so many died so young. > >We are fortunate to be living when we do, when the premature babies > >have a chance to live. > >Disease struck down so many in that time period I think. > >anyways, Royal Spear does give a daugher Juliana, and he puts her > >first on the list of children. > >Judy > > -- >

My cousin Tom Livingston lives in Consecon and across the street from him is an original Detlor landholding and original house - with it's own graveyard of Detlor family members. There are very few headstones, just a bunch of gopher holes, etc. but I have a hunch the two girls were buried there and not in the public graveyard with the rest of the young ones who perished. I did read somewhere that the graves of these two could never be found so that is why I'm passing this on in case it is relative some day. By the way, Happy Easter. Regards, Marilyn A. Willette, CBM, WPS http://allpointshorsetransport.com ... for a faster reply please include previous posts with your reply ----- Original Message ----- From: Judy Lyn To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: [IP] Hay Bay Tragedy Misc. Photo's is now the Hay Bay Tragedy, when nine young ppl drowned when trying to get across Hay Bay one sunday morning. Two Detlor girls were among those lost. Can't remember their names,, but will look for the book again that has that in it. I will be renaming the link.. Judy ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers

I am a descendant of Joanna/Juliana. Her parentage has not been confirmed in a primary source to my knowledge, but she was of the right time and place, and no other parents have been proposed that would fit better with her scant details. As I vaguely recall there was also an explanation for how it was reasonable that there was no record for her (incomplete church records or whatever, I can't recall now). It is rather unlikely that she was unrelated to all the other Switzers in the same Irish Palatine settlement. An interesting mystery. I would certainly be interested if anyone has any further information about Joanna/Juliana. Tom > Somehow, Royal Spear found a reference to a Daughter Juliana, as >she married Jacob Teskey. >she died in 1783, no mention of a birth,He does list three girls >dying Margaret in 1743, Catherine in 1755 and Christiana 1747 - 1750 >I always found this sad so many died so young. >We are fortunate to be living when we do, when the premature babies >have a chance to live. >Disease struck down so many in that time period I think. >anyways, Royal Spear does give a daugher Juliana, and he puts her >first on the list of children. >Judy -- *---------------------------------------------------------* | tom@teskey.org | | Teskey Genealogy Mailing List: Teskey-L@rootsweb.com | | Teskey Genealogy Home Page: | | http://www.teskey.org/ | *---------------------------------------------------------*

What do you expect for nothing? This kind lady is generously sharing information that she has taken the trouble to gather and record. It's up to viewers what they make of it and how much they rely on it. All should be wary of accepting second or third hand information, but it might give a lead. You have the option of doing your own research. Ken McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: <zelzer@canada.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, April 11, 2004 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Re:[IP] Joanna Switzer So the motto here seems to be, "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with facts!" On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:20:19 -0400, Judy Lyn wrote: > > Somehow, Royal Spear found a reference to a Daughter > Juliana, as she married Jacob Teskey. > she died in 1783, no mention of a birth,He does list > three girls dying Margaret in 1743, Catherine in 1755 > and Christiana 1747 - 1750 > I always found this sad so many died so young. > We are fortunate to be living when we do, when the > premature babies have a chance to live. > Disease struck down so many in that time period I think. > anyways, Royal Spear does give a daugher Juliana, and > he puts her first on the list of children. > Judy ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Try to do little things in an extraordinary way.

I can only go with what facts I have. If that confuses ppl I do apologize. If other ppl can't find her and think she did not exist, who married Jacob teskey... Judy

Somehow, Royal Spear found a reference to a Daughter Juliana, as she married Jacob Teskey. she died in 1783, no mention of a birth,He does list three girls dying Margaret in 1743, Catherine in 1755 and Christiana 1747 - 1750 I always found this sad so many died so young. We are fortunate to be living when we do, when the premature babies have a chance to live. Disease struck down so many in that time period I think. anyways, Royal Spear does give a daugher Juliana, and he puts her first on the list of children. Judy

As well as Wes Switzer in his genealogy "Switzer all My Fathers Were" showing Johann Christopher and Catherine to have eight children, Eula Lapp in her book "To Their Heirs Forever" lists the following: "Family changes - marriages, deaths or removals - altered the complexion of the community on the Southwell Estate greatly in the 1740's and 50's. In the Switzer family of Courmatrix, for instance, the father, Christopher, who had come from the Rhineland, died in 1755. In this family were four boys, followed by four girls. Of the girls, only Margaret (later Mrs. Philip Embury) lived to maturity. In 1750, her three-year-old sister, Christine, had died. In 1755, the year of the father's passing, this family lost another small daughter, aged about six. The first girl - also named Margaret - had been buried early in 1743, the same year that the second Margaret was born. Following these tragedies, Margaret Switzer must have been especially dear to her mother and brothers, Tobias, John, Martin and Peter - the latter most important to our story. (Mrs. Switzer had been Catherine Ruckle.)" The above does not prove that there wasn't a child born earlier, but it would seem that Eula Lapp, during her 12 years plus of research for her book, obviously did not find anything leading to a daughter Julianna/Joanna. Cheers, Bob

So the motto here seems to be, "My mind is made up. Don't confuse me with facts!" On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:20:19 -0400, Judy Lyn wrote: > > Somehow, Royal Spear found a reference to a Daughter > Juliana, as she married Jacob Teskey. > she died in 1783, no mention of a birth,He does list > three girls dying Margaret in 1743, Catherine in 1755 > and Christiana 1747 - 1750 > I always found this sad so many died so young. > We are fortunate to be living when we do, when the > premature babies have a chance to live. > Disease struck down so many in that time period I think. > anyways, Royal Spear does give a daugher Juliana, and > he puts her first on the list of children. > Judy

Misc. Photo's is now the Hay Bay Tragedy, when nine young ppl drowned when trying to get across Hay Bay one sunday morning. Two Detlor girls were among those lost. Can't remember their names,, but will look for the book again that has that in it. I will be renaming the link.. Judy

I am not working on it now.. www.geocities.com/keepsakebook just click on detlor I will be adding to it when I get the time. A Jacob Detlor married into the Doupe family, which is my main line. so I am a bit related to it as well,, probably cousins of sorts.. Judy