Thanks Carole, not quite finished it yet, still need backgrounds for a few and still inputting info on a few sites, I have my own that has a lot of information on the Palatines at: www.geocities.com/judydrysdale history, genealogy and pictures. Judy

Hypothetically, if she was transported from the past, I suppose it would depend on how old she was. If she was transported as a younger person (teenager or early 20s) then I think, coming from good immigrant stock, that she would probably adapt well! If she was transported as a slightly older person, one that had had the chance to settle into the routines of life, then I think the pace of life (as accelerated by technology) would be what would amaze her. Regards to all, Patrick Millar (researching Millers when life isn't too busy) -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lyn [mailto:judylyn@gosympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 3:34 PM To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Barbara Heck Was just thinking of something that might be fun to try: Barbara Heck died 200 years ago in 1804, Now here is where imagination comes in, What do You think she would think of the world today? Let's have some fun and give us some thoughts on this. Judy ______________________________

Thanks for telling me about the location of the cemetery and about the tombstone pictures on your web site from the Glazier Cemetery. They are quite good. Nice and clear and easy to read. Your web site is very pretty. Carole

I would love them. I think it was Joseph doupe that went out that way. Surveying I think. thank you. Judy

That is so funny! I was thinking what the women would think of our medical advances. Probably a lot more infants would have lived if they had the medical knowledge of today. So many babies died back then, it must have been heartbreaking for them. Today even a premature baby has a chance to survive. Many good things have come about but many not so good things. as one woman said the moral decay of todays society leaves much to be desired. maybe we could add what we would love about living back then or what we would hate about it. I would hate not having indoor plumbing, that is one convenience I would not want to be without. Going around by horse and buggy might be fun, would eliminate all those high prices of gasoline now. Maybe we should all get a horse, and put away our cars. lol Thanks for all your interesting comments. Judy

The cemetary is out on Airport Road in Tincap just north of Brockville, I took pictures and have them on the website. www.geocities.com/keepsakebook/glaziers.html There are about 10/12 I think, just a small family cemetary. There is also a road out there called Glazier Street. corner of Fairfield and Airport. Quite interesting. Judy

Just a side note to what a 200 year old would think---I recently asked my 98 year Mother what she thought of all the changes from her childhood to now........her reply I"m to busy learning what a "mouse" is to think about it and by the way how do you keep that thing on the computer screen from jumping around? So I guess I will have to wait a few more years for an in depth conversation of the past. Thnaks Pat

We probably have all had some kind of experiences in cemeteries. I would never go to one alone. My husband most always goes with me. He is great...he doesn't do genealogy and is not very interested but he supports me in my interest and makes most of the trips with me. I have had my husband in cemeteries sticking probes in the ground and uncovering partially buried tombstones, going in the woods in the mountains looking for our ancestors tombstones. We have made some really great finds. But I think it is very dangerous to go to a cemetery by ones self. Be careful backing up in a cemetery. The last one we went in my husband scraped against a tombstone with the car. He didn't damage the tombstone but did a number on the fender and bottom of the door of the car. I find it interesting that you found a Glazier cemetery while test driving a new car. Do you remember where it was located. Maybe the Glazier descendants might be interested in going to the cemetery or knowing its location. Maybe some of the tombstones have been documented already. Carole

Judy---I have just received some books which have short stories on some of the Doupe generations still alive in the Crandall Manitoba area. In fact this July will be meeting them. If you would like the writeups just let me know and I will forward. Pat (Shier research)

We sure do get hooked on genealogy, at one time I thought going into a cemetary was spooky, but lately I find myself going by one and wondering if any Irish Palatines are there. Not that I go thru any of them. That would be scary, but it is really interesting to find a name you read about. Last year we were taking a test drive in a new car, and we came across a small family cemetary of Glazier, another Irish Palatine name. Amazing! It really brings to life our ancestors. Judy

Bev, Your ancestor was Barbara Ruckle Heck's brother Daniel Ruckle wasn't he? And you are descended from his son George of Adare, and in turn his son, Henry, is that correct? What a great history your family has. There is that wonderful book written by Wayne Bittinger on your ancestors complete with pictures. I have a copy and I just love the book. I think you said you have a copy too in one of your emails. In fact you may have been the one to lead me to the book. Thanks to everyone in the family line of George of Adare for all the information and pictures you have shared over the years with me. I treasure it all. I have a lot of information on the offspring of George of Adare, but the expert on that family line is Karen Opgenorth of California. She has sent me a lot of information and continues to search constantly for new contacts and new information. I am always amazed at how she can make the connections and put things together. I usually send her stuff I find and she usually can connect it right up. We can really get hooked on genealogy but isn't it fun. And we get to meet a lot of new people and go to a lot of different places. We spend a lot of time in cemeteries too, I have a lot of people to thank for the information I have because with out us helping each other a lot of information would be lost. Have a wonderful day Bev. and I look forward to hearing from you again. Carole

Bev, I think the Methodist Meeting will be a great experience. I hope to be there in August, barring some unforseen disaster. I am going to register for the trip this coming week. I am looking forward to meeting everyone. I am sending most of the information on the brochure of the Joint Meeting of: Canandian Methodist Historical Society and the Historical Society United Methodist Church, August 19-22, 2004, to be held at Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario From the brochure: What the Celebration Includes: -Four historical presentations -scholarly and entertaining -Worship and commemoration at the Heck monument in Prescott -Optional bus tour to Methodist sites -AGMs of the Canadian Methodist Historical -Society (CHMS) and the Historical Society of the United Methodist Church (HSUMC) -Meeting of the North Central Jurisdiction Commission on Archives and history of the United Methodist Church (NCJCA) -Visit to the Old Hay Bay Church -Annual Pilgrimage Service of the Hay Bay Church with the Rev. Pat Thompson as "Barbara Heck" -Free time to visit historic and lovely Kingston: A small university/military city on the east end of Lake Ontario does have a small airport -Book Table -Souvenir mugs of Barbara Heck -Accommodations in air-conditioned rooms Also from the brochure: Agenda Thursday, August 19th. 8:30 am - 1:30 pm Board of HSUMC 2:00 pm - 6:00 pm Registration 2:30 pm - 5:30 pm AGM HSUMC and Sections 6:00 pm - Dinner 7:30 pm - "Barbara Heck, A Canadian Perspective", Dr. Marilyn Whiteley Friday, August 20th. 8:30 am - 4:30 pm Optional Bus Tour (Visit Heck Monument) 6:00 pm - Dinner 7:30 pm - An Evening of Entertainment Saturday, August 21st. 8:30 am - Devotions 9:00 am - "John Wesley on Drink and Drinking: An Assessment" Rev. Dan Swinson 10:30 am - AGM's -CMSH+HSUMC continued lunch on your own + Free afternoon *This is when we would like to have a Ruckle, Ruckel, Ruttle meeting, we are still working on getting a room to have this meeting but it has almost been worked out with Queen's University* 1:00 pm - NCJCHA 6:00 pm - Dinner 7:30 pm - "An overview of Canadian Methodism" Sunday, August 22nd 9:00 am - The Traveler unknown: Deconstructing Wesleyan Missiology -Dr. Chas. Cole 11:00 am - Old Hay Bay Church (Worship+Hist. sketch) 12:30 pm - Lunch at Aldophustown United Church 3:00 pm - Annual Pilgrimage Service - Old Hay Bay Church Guest Speaker: Rev. Pat Thompson, President HSUMC The registration form includes cost of accommodations, the cost of the Friday bus tour, cost of Sunday lunch at Hay Bay, and cost of parking are additional. Weekend parking is free, it costs 9.50 CD / $7.00 per day during the week. The cost of the Friday Bus Tour (Includes lunch) $30.00 CD / $23.00 US Sunday Lunch at Hay Bay (Adolphustown United Church) is $10.00 CD / $7.50 US The cost of Accommodations (2 rooms share bathroom; breakfast and taxes included) Single $50.00 CD / $45.00 US per night Double $74.00 CD / $56.00 US per night Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday The cost of the Registration which includes (Thurs/Fri/Sat dinners) is $90.00 CD / $70.00 US The registration form has a place to request vegetarian meals and a place also to list food allergies. The only other thing I haven't listed from the brochure is a short history of Barbara Heck Barbara Heck 2004 is the 200th anniversary of the death of Barbara Ruckle Heck. Her name is legendary in the history of the United States Methodist Church for her part in stirring up Philip Embury to begin preaching in New York in 1766, which maked the commencement of Methodism in the Thirteen Colonies. Born in Ireland in 1734 of parents who had fled the religious persecution of protestants in the German Palatine, her communtity was deeply influenced by John Wesley. She became an eager convert at 18. She married Paul Heck in 1760 and they joined a group of adventurers heading for a new life in America. Barbara helped to provide the spark and the resolve not only to get Methodist preaching started, but also for the erection of a Methodist meeting house in New York. With the outbreak of the American Revolution the Heck's, being Loalists, moved north to Canada where Barbara continue to play her enlivening role. She died Aug. 17, 1804 and is regarded as the "Mother" of both American and Canadian Methodism. In 1904 Methodists from both sides of the border erected a monument over her grave. Now in 2004 we gather "in memory of one who laid foundations other have built upon." Also I will list again the information on who to contact if interested: Linda C. Cormick, 3 Fieldgate Street Dundas, Ontario L9H 6N8 Telepone: 905-628-2722 email: lcormick@interlynx.net I hope this information will be of help to someone. The brochure was sent to my sister, Eleanor Milliken over the internet from Linda Cormick. Eleanor is the vice president of our annual Ruckle Reunion here in the US which is held either in WV or Maryland. This year it will be held in Baltimore, Maryland. Carole

Carole, I very much appreciate your contributions to the list. I descend from one of Barbara Heck's brothers. I am looking forward to a visit to Ireland this summer to see the area where my ancestors, the Ruckles and Starks, lived prior to ending up in western Maryland by 1822. The Ontario event sounds wonderful, too. Please keep up updated if there will be a reunion of Ruckle/Ruckel/Ruttle. Beverly Walter Oakmont PA

It is amazing the rich heritage that we have as to the Irish Palatines. My direct line are the Doupe's and Shier's. with just about every other family thrown in because of the inter marrying among the group. I really enjoy this list, we have learned a lot from it all. Sorry to excuse you information earlier, it is all quite interesting no matter if we heard it before. It is always good to get another perspective of the tale. There is a lot written on Barbara and she sounded quite the formidable woman. I have a bit of info on my site: www.geocities.com/judydrysdale Thanks for the information on the Ruttle family. It fleshes them out all the more when we read letters written by these hardy ancestors of ours. And thanks for the info on the reunion in Kingston. I don't know If i can attend but I know it will go well. Judy

Thankyou Carole - especially for the 1842 letter - the older the source, the more interesting it seems. My family tradition - Shiers who stayed in Ireland - has the story close to yours, except that for the "Lutheran" - we had it that most were "Protestant" of some type, not all Lutheran, and that they adjusted to Anglicanism and John Wesley. I remember being shown a newspaper cutting from the 19th C, or possibly 18th C, when I was little (45 years ago) that my parents showed me describing the journey by ship to England of some of the Palatines. Despite going through everything we have I can't find it ! Anyway, thanks for your contribution Richard Shier > ** Original Subject: [IP] To The IP List > ** Original Sender: Crsashmo@aol.com > ** Original Date: Fri, 21 May 2004 18:43:22 -0700 (PDT) > ** Original Message follows... > > I can't quite understand the response I got to my the email I submitted. I > thought I was writing to the IP list. When I was told that "we had that bit > information", I found myself want to ask who "we" are. > > I am talking about the small blurb I wrote about Barbara Ruckle Heck. > > I think everyone should be able to contribute what they can and nothing > should be dismissed as not important or necessary. We all should be able to say > what we want even if it is repeated. > > I know that I don't contribute much to the list but that doesn't mean that I > don't read the information that is submitted and appreciate a lot that I learn > from people. > > My ancestor is not Barbara Ruckle Heck but she was my fifth great aunt. My > ancestor, John Ruckle, my fifth great grandfather and direct descendant, was a > brother to Barbara Ruckle Heck. My sixth great grandfather was Sebastian > Ruckel and my seventh great grandfather was Casper Ruckel. > > I have a lot of fun doing genealogy. When I was able I spent week upon week > searching through German Church Records on microfische searching for the > elusive Casper Ruckel. I have found through the records that the name is still > spelled Ruckel in Germany. > > I have an extract from a letter written by my fourth great grandfather Thomas > Ruckle in 1839: > > "The manner of spelling our name Ruckle was changed by the schoolmaster in > Ireland, who was an Englishman- it was originally Ruckel as spelled in New York. > There are other branches of the family in Ireland who spell the name Ruttle; > viz. -the Ruttles of Rathkeal, County Limerick, Ireland. (copied June 1888 by > Ida Allison.) > > Another extract from a letter written by Thomas Ruckle dated 1842, to Aunt > Sue or Grandma Allison reads: > The Ruckle Family. > > About the year 1709, seven thousand Lutheran Protestants were driven > from their habitations on the banks of the Rhine, by the French under Louis XIV, > a Catholic Prince; Queen Anne, with the Duke of Marlboro, having espoused > their cause and conveyed them to London, fifty families were encouraged to settle > as freeholders on Lord Southwell's estate in Ireland, with a view to > strengthen the Protestant interest in that country. > Your great-great-grandfather, Casper Ruckle, then aged about fifty, with > his wife, three sons and four daughters, were of this small colony. > Each man, woman, and child had a lot of eight acres, at five shillings > per acre for ninety-nine years. The Queen agreed to pay this rent for 21 years. > The colony in the heart of Ireland, married and intermarried among > themselves to the third and fourth generation.. They were Protestants, and members of > the Episcopal Church. Your father, grandfathers, and grandmothers on both > sides, aswell as my own, and all the Ruckles I ever saw, are the descendants of > this colony. > Prior to the year 1766, Philip Embury, his wife, Paul Hick, his wife, > and family, with a few more Dutch (rather German) Irish emigrants, arrived in > New York in hopes to better their fortunes in this country. Aunt Barbara Hicks, > alluded to above, was the old lady who threw the cards in the fire and > induced Mr. Embury to preach in New York, was my fathers sister, and one of the five > which formed the first chapter of Methodist Society in America. I could say > a great deal more, was it requisite, and flatter myself there is not a man of > the name now living, can give a more satisfactory information on this subject > than your friend and humble servant. > I can trace our family generations from the present through the various > branches down to the year 1660. > It's getting late, Imust close, farewell, > (Signed) Thos. Ruckle. > Baltimore. 1842. > > I may have written a copy of the above extracts years ago when the list was > first formed but I think it was worth repeating in case some of the newer > members haven't went far back into the archives. > > My 4th. great grandfather Thomas Ruckle also was an amateur artist. He drew > Ruckle Family Tree in 1835 that has survived and is owned by a Ruckle > descendant. > > The Ruckle/Ruckel/Ruttle line has been documented extensively but there is > still so very much more to learn. I try to document every piece of information > I find and include the sources. I have found that people doing genealogy all > over the world are some of the nicest and most helpful people. I have truly > made some very good friendships over the years. > > To my knowledge my husband is not related to Donald Richardson in Kingston. > But we have only went back on his lineage to the 1700's. Who knows his > ancestors might have came from Canada. By some strange coincidence his third great > grandfather's name was Canada Richardson. His name might be a clue!!!!! > > Good luck to everyone in their searches and I will try to contribute more in > the future when I can. > > Carole > > > P. S. I will send another email including the information for the Methodist > Meeting shortly > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, > Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** >

I told you earlier there is to be a Joint Meeting of: Canadian Methodist Historical Society (CMHS and Historical Society United Methodist Church (HSUMC) on August 19-22, 2004 It will be held at Queen's University, Kingston, Ontario It is in honor of the 200th year of Barbara Ruckle Heck's Death. There is a registration form and agenda available. The person to contact is: Linda D. Cormick 3 Fieldgate Street Dundas, Ontario L9H 6N8 Telepone: 905-628-2722 Email: lcormick@interlynx.net Carole Richardson

I can't quite understand the response I got to my the email I submitted. I thought I was writing to the IP list. When I was told that "we had that bit information", I found myself want to ask who "we" are. I am talking about the small blurb I wrote about Barbara Ruckle Heck. I think everyone should be able to contribute what they can and nothing should be dismissed as not important or necessary. We all should be able to say what we want even if it is repeated. I know that I don't contribute much to the list but that doesn't mean that I don't read the information that is submitted and appreciate a lot that I learn from people. My ancestor is not Barbara Ruckle Heck but she was my fifth great aunt. My ancestor, John Ruckle, my fifth great grandfather and direct descendant, was a brother to Barbara Ruckle Heck. My sixth great grandfather was Sebastian Ruckel and my seventh great grandfather was Casper Ruckel. I have a lot of fun doing genealogy. When I was able I spent week upon week searching through German Church Records on microfische searching for the elusive Casper Ruckel. I have found through the records that the name is still spelled Ruckel in Germany. I have an extract from a letter written by my fourth great grandfather Thomas Ruckle in 1839: "The manner of spelling our name Ruckle was changed by the schoolmaster in Ireland, who was an Englishman- it was originally Ruckel as spelled in New York. There are other branches of the family in Ireland who spell the name Ruttle; viz. -the Ruttles of Rathkeal, County Limerick, Ireland. (copied June 1888 by Ida Allison.) Another extract from a letter written by Thomas Ruckle dated 1842, to Aunt Sue or Grandma Allison reads: The Ruckle Family. About the year 1709, seven thousand Lutheran Protestants were driven from their habitations on the banks of the Rhine, by the French under Louis XIV, a Catholic Prince; Queen Anne, with the Duke of Marlboro, having espoused their cause and conveyed them to London, fifty families were encouraged to settle as freeholders on Lord Southwell's estate in Ireland, with a view to strengthen the Protestant interest in that country. Your great-great-grandfather, Casper Ruckle, then aged about fifty, with his wife, three sons and four daughters, were of this small colony. Each man, woman, and child had a lot of eight acres, at five shillings per acre for ninety-nine years. The Queen agreed to pay this rent for 21 years. The colony in the heart of Ireland, married and intermarried among themselves to the third and fourth generation.. They were Protestants, and members of the Episcopal Church. Your father, grandfathers, and grandmothers on both sides, aswell as my own, and all the Ruckles I ever saw, are the descendants of this colony. Prior to the year 1766, Philip Embury, his wife, Paul Hick, his wife, and family, with a few more Dutch (rather German) Irish emigrants, arrived in New York in hopes to better their fortunes in this country. Aunt Barbara Hicks, alluded to above, was the old lady who threw the cards in the fire and induced Mr. Embury to preach in New York, was my fathers sister, and one of the five which formed the first chapter of Methodist Society in America. I could say a great deal more, was it requisite, and flatter myself there is not a man of the name now living, can give a more satisfactory information on this subject than your friend and humble servant. I can trace our family generations from the present through the various branches down to the year 1660. It's getting late, Imust close, farewell, (Signed) Thos. Ruckle. Baltimore. 1842. I may have written a copy of the above extracts years ago when the list was first formed but I think it was worth repeating in case some of the newer members haven't went far back into the archives. My 4th. great grandfather Thomas Ruckle also was an amateur artist. He drew Ruckle Family Tree in 1835 that has survived and is owned by a Ruckle descendant. The Ruckle/Ruckel/Ruttle line has been documented extensively but there is still so very much more to learn. I try to document every piece of information I find and include the sources. I have found that people doing genealogy all over the world are some of the nicest and most helpful people. I have truly made some very good friendships over the years. To my knowledge my husband is not related to Donald Richardson in Kingston. But we have only went back on his lineage to the 1700's. Who knows his ancestors might have came from Canada. By some strange coincidence his third great grandfather's name was Canada Richardson. His name might be a clue!!!!! Good luck to everyone in their searches and I will try to contribute more in the future when I can. Carole P. S. I will send another email including the information for the Methodist Meeting shortly

It was an accident, sorry...Carole

I think she'd be displeased with the moral state of the world, as she was deeply devout. She would probably be pleased and flattered, however, at how much the Methodist church has grown and thrived. -----Original Message----- From: Judy Lyn [mailto:judylyn@gosympatico.ca] Sent: Friday, May 21, 2004 2:34 PM To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IP] Barbara Heck Was just thinking of something that might be fun to try: Barbara Heck died 200 years ago in 1804, Now here is where imagination comes in, What do You think she would think of the world today? Let's have some fun and give us some thoughts on this. Judy ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Susan Laursen Willig IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com

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