Has anyone on the list had experience with the Subject? Howard

Thanks Carole - I don't think that you will have any trouble finding your way as Kingston isn't that large a city. When I spoke to Linda a few days back she said that rooms for the conference activities would be finalized early next week - she said to phone Conference Services at Queens 613-533-2223 next week. Also she said that registration would be at Leggat Hall on Stewart Street. If you get confirmation on any of this maybe you could post it. Thanks to you and your sister for putting the effort in organizing the Ruckle session - I'm sure when we meet we will have lots to talk about with many 'trees', pictures, people and history to go over. I hope that those who are of Palatine descent, and live close to the Toronto/Montreal corridor (both Canadian and American sides), will use this opportunity and come to Kingston during the weekend to meet each other and share the information that each of us have collected. See you on the weekend. Denis Jones At 05:48 PM 8/10/04 -0400, you wrote: >Denis, >I wish I could give you more details about the location of the meetings. We have been assured by Linda Cormick that we will have no problem getting a room for the meetings but she hasn't assigned us one yet. We just emailed her again. >She has not even told us where to go when we arrive or where our rooms are that we will be staying in for the four days. >Maybe she will email us back and let us know more. As soon as I find out from her I will let you know. >I have been telling people that we will post the location of the meeting room at registration. >We are leaving Baltimore, MD on the morning of Wednesday the 18th and will arrive in Kingston late in the evening. >I hope to have more information for you soon. >Carole > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com

Which Adam Bovenizer were you thinking of? There are a few.. I have a bovenizer page on my Irish Palatine site: www.geocities.com/keepsakebook the writing is light, so I will have to go in and darken it some. Check it out.. Judy

Carole: I too am related to the Ruckles/Ruttles of Fort View in Ballingrane, County Limerick. My great grandmother was born there to Elizabeth Ruttle and Ralph Sheppard in 1861 and she attended the Heck-Embury Methodist Chapel right near the train tracks in Ballingrane, down the road a bit from Fort View. She married a Catholic from Tralee, Anthony Flynn and they came to Boston, Massachusetts after marrying in Cork. Distant cousin Walter Ruttle and his wife Nan live next door to Fort View, a son and his family live on the farm now. I hope you get to visit, it truly is the Emerald Isle! Becky Barton in NY

Gary, I see you've made lots of folk on this side the pond quite happy by your purchase. I'm sure all my Switzer friends & other Palatine connections will be glad to take you up on your offer--be careful what you wish for! :)> I'm a Bovenizer, Fitzell, McElligott side, but pass on my best for your endeavor. Keep us up to date. In the future, send me only 2 pix, one before, one after. Walter Walter (& Joan) McElligott McElligott family motto: Si Deus Quis contra [If God is w/ us, who can be against?] P. O. Box 452, Beecher, IL 60401-0452 PS. Does anybody have contact info on Adam Bovenizer? Thanx. W. ============================================================== Gary Switzer, England purchased original palatine house built by Christopher Switzer in courtmatrix in 1709. Anyone with palatine connections will be free to visit or even stay when work is complete pease email me to receive photos of the house... Gary Switzer<JamesSwitz@aol.com> Mary Wallace <Switzerdolmage@aol.com> Verena Bender Hekman, Tucson, AZ <Omahekman@aol.com> Liz Haren <LizHaren@aol.com> Sharon J Cadieux, Kingston, Ontario, CAN <sjcadieux@coge> Lois Sparling <lsparling@shaw.ca> Beverly Railey Walter, Oakmont PA <Bez4@aol.com> Jim and Dorothy Hamilton, LeSueur, Minnesota, US <jimhamilton@mchsi.com Tom Kemp <tkemp@godfrey.org> Ed Howitt <ed1028@sympatico.ca> Judy Lyn <judylyn@gosympatico.ca> Carole Ruckle Richardson <Crsashmo@aol.com>

Denis, I wish I could give you more details about the location of the meetings. We have been assured by Linda Cormick that we will have no problem getting a room for the meetings but she hasn't assigned us one yet. We just emailed her again. She has not even told us where to go when we arrive or where our rooms are that we will be staying in for the four days. Maybe she will email us back and let us know more. As soon as I find out from her I will let you know. I have been telling people that we will post the location of the meeting room at registration. We are leaving Baltimore, MD on the morning of Wednesday the 18th and will arrive in Kingston late in the evening. I hope to have more information for you soon. Carole

HI Carole Do you have any more info re. details on the Ruckle meeting for Queens University, Kingston, August 19-22? I spoke with Linda Cormick this afternoon - she said that there is something planned for the Ruckle group on both Thursday PM and Saturday PM but she didn't have details as yet on where the activities would take place. Denis Jones, Mississauga, Ontario At 08:15 AM 5/22/04 -0400, you wrote: >Bev, > >I think the Methodist Meeting will be a great experience. I hope to be there >in August, barring some unforseen disaster. I am going to register for the >trip this coming week. I am looking forward to meeting everyone. > >I am sending most of the information on the brochure of the Joint Meeting of: >Canandian Methodist Historical Society and the Historical Society United >Methodist Church, August 19-22, 2004, to be held at Queen's University, Kingston, >Ontario > > From the brochure: > >What the Celebration Includes: >-Four historical presentations -scholarly and entertaining >-Worship and commemoration at the Heck monument in Prescott >-Optional bus tour to Methodist sites >-AGMs of the Canadian Methodist Historical -Society (CHMS) and the Historical >Society of the United Methodist Church (HSUMC) >-Meeting of the North Central Jurisdiction Commission on Archives and history >of the United Methodist Church (NCJCA) >-Visit to the Old Hay Bay Church >-Annual Pilgrimage Service of the Hay Bay Church with the Rev. Pat Thompson >as "Barbara Heck" >-Free time to visit historic and lovely Kingston: A small >university/military city on the east end of Lake Ontario does have a small airport >-Book Table >-Souvenir mugs of Barbara Heck >-Accommodations in air-conditioned rooms > >Also from the brochure: > >Agenda > >Thursday, August 19th. >8:30 am - 1:30 pm Board of HSUMC >2:00 pm - 6:00 pm Registration >2:30 pm - 5:30 pm AGM HSUMC and Sections >6:00 pm - Dinner >7:30 pm - "Barbara Heck, A Canadian Perspective", Dr. Marilyn Whiteley > >Friday, August 20th. >8:30 am - 4:30 pm Optional Bus Tour (Visit Heck Monument) >6:00 pm - Dinner >7:30 pm - An Evening of Entertainment > >Saturday, August 21st. >8:30 am - Devotions >9:00 am - "John Wesley on Drink and Drinking: An Assessment" Rev. Dan >Swinson >10:30 am - AGM's -CMSH+HSUMC continued > lunch on your own + Free afternoon > *This is when we would like to have a Ruckle, Ruckel, >Ruttle meeting, we are still working on getting a room to have this meeting but it >has almost been worked out with Queen's University* >1:00 pm - NCJCHA >6:00 pm - Dinner >7:30 pm - "An overview of Canadian Methodism" > >Sunday, August 22nd >9:00 am - The Traveler unknown: Deconstructing Wesleyan Missiology -Dr. >Chas. Cole >11:00 am - Old Hay Bay Church (Worship+Hist. sketch) >12:30 pm - Lunch at Aldophustown United Church >3:00 pm - Annual Pilgrimage Service - Old Hay Bay Church > Guest Speaker: Rev. Pat Thompson, President HSUMC > >The registration form includes cost of accommodations, the cost of the Friday >bus tour, cost of Sunday lunch at Hay Bay, and cost of parking are >additional. >Weekend parking is free, it costs 9.50 CD / $7.00 per day during the week. >The cost of the Friday Bus Tour (Includes lunch) $30.00 CD / $23.00 US >Sunday Lunch at Hay Bay (Adolphustown United Church) is $10.00 CD / $7.50 US >The cost of Accommodations (2 rooms share bathroom; breakfast and taxes >included) >Single $50.00 CD / $45.00 US per night >Double $74.00 CD / $56.00 US per night >Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday, Sunday >The cost of the Registration which includes (Thurs/Fri/Sat dinners) is $90.00 >CD / $70.00 US >The registration form has a place to request vegetarian meals and a place >also to list food allergies. > >The only other thing I haven't listed from the brochure is a short history of >Barbara Heck > >Barbara Heck > >2004 is the 200th anniversary of the death of Barbara Ruckle Heck. Her name >is legendary in the history of the United States Methodist Church for her part >in stirring up Philip Embury to begin preaching in New York in 1766, which >maked the commencement of Methodism in the Thirteen Colonies. > >Born in Ireland in 1734 of parents who had fled the religious persecution of >protestants in the German Palatine, her communtity was deeply influenced by >John Wesley. She became an eager convert at 18. She married Paul Heck in 1760 >and they joined a group of adventurers heading for a new life in America. > >Barbara helped to provide the spark and the resolve not only to get Methodist >preaching started, but also for the erection of a Methodist meeting house in >New York. > >With the outbreak of the American Revolution the Heck's, being Loalists, >moved north to Canada where Barbara continue to play her enlivening role. > >She died Aug. 17, 1804 and is regarded as the "Mother" of both American and >Canadian Methodism. > >In 1904 Methodists from both sides of the border erected a monument over her >grave. Now in 2004 we gather "in memory of one who laid foundations other >have built upon." > >Also I will list again the information on who to contact if interested: > >Linda C. Cormick, >3 Fieldgate Street >Dundas, Ontario L9H 6N8 >Telepone: 905-628-2722 >email: lcormick@interlynx.net > >I hope this information will be of help to someone. The brochure was sent to >my sister, Eleanor Milliken over the internet from Linda Cormick. Eleanor is >the vice president of our annual Ruckle Reunion here in the US which is held >either in WV or Maryland. This year it will be held in Baltimore, Maryland. > >Carole > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com

Following is a historical account of the Methodist Episcopal Church in Ash Grove, (Cambridge, Washington County NY) which was founded by Philip Embury and whose congregation included Switzers, Ashtons,Hecks, etc. all from Courtmatrix, Co. Limerick. I would be very interested in knowing where in Ontario the families who left Ash Grove settled I assume after the US Revolutionary War. If anyone has any clarification or correction of the following information I would also appreciate it. My sources for the account are noted. ********* Philip Embury was born in Ballingarrane, Co. Limerick, Ireland and was baptised September 29, 1728. On October 31, 1758 Embury married Margaret Switzer, daughter of Christopher and Elizabeth Switzer of Courtmatrix, Co. Limerick, Ireland They were married in the church in Rathkeale (Co. Limerick) which had been established largely thru Embury's efforts. They had six children all born in the New York City: Catherine Elizabeth (1760-1762), John Albert (1762-1766) Samuel (1765-1853) Catherine (1767-1833) Anna (1769-1775) and Philip Jr. (1772-1775). It's believed Embury emigrated from Ireland on the Perry under Capt. Richard Hogan, although there's no record of the passenger list. The ship left Limerick Town, Co. Limerick, on June 9, 1760 and arrived at Pecks slip in New York on August 10, 1760. Traveling with Embury were his brothers David, Peter and John and his cousins Paul and Barbara Ruckle Heck. Governor Benning Wentworth of New Hampshire had been issuing grants on land which had been contested for ownership for grants issued by Gov. George Clinton of New York. Embury applied for a grant in 1765 and was given land later called the Embury-Wilson grant. This now forms part of the town of White Creek and extends into the State of Vermont. Embury and his friends went to the Embury Wilson Patent in 1770. Some settled on that land while others settled in an area along the Diondehowe River north of that land. That area was later called West Camden and is today part of Salem Township. This land was 2300 acres in all and was known as Duanes Camden Tract. The land was leased from James Duane who was a prominent lawyer, Attorney General of New York in 1767 and member of the First Continental Congress and first Mayor of New York City after the British evacuation. Initially he opposed the Revolution because of his extensive land holdings but he later became a supporter. Embury died in 1773 and was buried in what is now called the Camden Valley Burial Ground. He was later moved to Woodlands Cemetery in Cambridge, NY. The family later moved to Ontario, Canada. The Embury Methodist Church of Cambridge New York is the direct descendent of that Ashgrove Society. They had built a church building by 1789. The second church at Ashgrove was built in 1832 because the congregation needed a larger building. The church burned in 1835. A new Church was built in North White Creek (Cambridge Village) in 1836 to be near the Presbyterian Community. The Church was renovated and expanded in 1861 because they needed a larger building. After the new Church was built in North White Creek (Cambridge Village) some of the members who wished to remain in Ashgrove built another church on the foundation of the burned edifice. This was built in 1839 without official sanction. Today nothing remains of the old Ashgrove Circuit but the old burial ground and the monument to Philip Embury in Woodlands Cemetery, Cambridge, NY. The above information is from 1770-1970 200th Anniversary of the Camden-Ashgrove Methodist Episcopal Church compiled by Kenneth A. Gottry, Historian, Embury United Methodist Church, Cambridge, NY. I have changed the name of Philip Embury's birthplace from the Balligarane name which Gottry references to Ballingarrane. I believe Gottry's reference is probably a phonetic spelling of the actual Co. Limerick townland name. Thomas Ashton was also born in Ballingarrane, Co. Limerick, Ireland. (Note: Gottry, however, notes Ashton was from Dublin, Ireland. His ministry may have been in Dublin which might account for the difference.). He was one of the first thirty families to settle on the Cambridge Patent which had been granted eight years before to six men on condition that immediate settlement was made. He and the other twenty nine first settlers received a hundred acres free for helping to settle this Patent of almost 32,000 acres lying north of the Hoosick Patent, and up the valley ever since called Cambridge. In 1770 Ashton and Embury started the first class in Methodism. The first probable members were Thomas Ashton, Elizabeth Ashton, John Armitage, Ely Armitage, James Barber, Sarah Barber, Philip Embury, Margaret Embury, Peter Switzer, Anna M. Switzer, and Christopher Switzer. The Ashgrove class grew to a list of 70 members including the names of the Ashtons, Fishers, McLeans, Bakers, Hannahs, whose descendants still live in the valley. This reference is from Account of Old Home Week, Cambridge NY September 10,11 and 12, 1916 by J. R. Fisher, The Story of the Second Methodist Church in America: 146 Years of Methodism in the Old Town of Cambridge by Rev. John Leonard Cole. Again, I've changed the name of Thomas Ashton's birthplace in Ireland from Ballingran which was noted in Rev. Cole’s description to Ballingarrane which I believe is the correct spellling. ****** Ash Grove is just northeast of Cambridge Village, Washington County, New York. It's about 175 miles north of New York City. Thanks for any information. 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I know, there were quite a few that went to that area. We went thru there last year and it was kind of eerie to know that our ancestors walked that land. Kind of gives you a sense of belonging when you go there. There is a switzer chapel along there somewhere. Do you know if it still exists. I would love to go and take some pictures of it and the cemetary beside it. This place is full of history for us. I think most of the cemetaries are gone now.. which is sad because it would be nice to be able to go and see where they were buried. Whenever we pass under the Switzerville Road, I think this is where they settled.. and in ernesttown, prince Edward County. What a rich history is ours! Did you take pictures of the cemetary.. Where is it? I would love to go as well. Judy

Hi Ed Would you mind telling me where you fit into the Switzer family? THank you Mary Wallace

Judy - They didn't ALL go there - my ancestor, Peter Switzer (and wife Anna Maria Guier), brother of Margaret Switzer Embury, went to Ernestown Township, Lennox and Addington, where one of his sons, (my grgrgr grandfather) Christopher had settled in a area then called Switzerville. Peter's son John settled in Loughborough Township, in Frontenac County, (a son of John's is buried in the Ashgrove Cemetery), and Peter's son Philip, who was a Loyalist, first settled in Prince Edward County, later moving to Camden Township in Lennox and Addington. Two of Peter's daughters and their families also lived in Lennox and Addington, and there are still today descendants of two other daughters living in the area of Cambridge/Ash Grove. The husband of one of the daughters, Agnes, was a member of the Albany County Militia during the Revolution. We were in the Ashgrove and Old Turnpike cemeteries last Friday. Sharon Kingston, Ontario ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Lyn" <judylyn@gosympatico.ca> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 2004 8:25 AM Subject: [IP] Switzers, Emburys, Ashtons, Hecks etc. from Co. Limerick to Washington County, NY > They settled in the Prescott area/Augusta township. Barbara Heck/Philip Embury/John Lawrence/margaret Switzer, are all buried in the Blue church Cemetary. > I have pictures on my web site: > www.geocities.com/judydrysdale > with some commentary. > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. >

They settled in the Prescott area/Augusta township. Barbara Heck/Philip Embury/John Lawrence/margaret Switzer, are all buried in the Blue church Cemetary. I have pictures on my web site: www.geocities.com/judydrysdale with some commentary.

That is a possibility. Thanks. Now I know to add that to my list of places to visit.

kilfinnane is about 25 miles from rathkeale.maybe they married there because it was her familys parish ???

Tom's posting reminded me that I have a Henry Ruckle and Catherine "Kitty" Stark married in Kilfinnane. Anyone know why they married there? And about how far from Rathkeale/Adare would Kilfinnane be? Thanks Beverly Walter

Hi Gary and Lynn, we expect to be there next week. Sorry to miss you. Beverly Walter

Dear Gary - We were excited to receive your email news about purchasing the Switzer home in Ireland! We, too are descendents of a Palatine Irish family named Doupe. There is a strong connection between the Doupes and Switzers. We'd love to accept your invitation to stay when we visit Ireland to continue our family history study. We'll be interested in learning more about your life in Ireland! Warm regards, Jim and Dorothy Hamilton LeSueur, Minnesota, USA > Dear Gary > > Great to hear from you. When and if I get the cash together to fly to > Ireland from 'The Last Best West" aka Calgary, Alberta, I will certainly > make a point of visiting. > > Lois Sparling > > JamesSwitz@aol.com wrote: > > >hi my name is gary switzer i live in england and have just purchased the > >original palatine house built by christopher switzer in courtmatrix in 1709.I > am > >so excited about this and will be rebuilding it as close to original as > >possible.Anyone with palatine connections will be free to visit or even stay > when > >work is complete pease email me to recieve photos of the house > >Regards > >Gary switzer > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, > >Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers >

Gary, What a wonderful and exciting thing to be doing. You must be thrilled to own and start restoration your ancestrial home. I am a Ruckle descendant and my ancestrial home is Fort View once called Ruckle Hill in Limerick, Ireland. It is my dream to visit Limerick one day and visit and see where my ancestors, Casper Ruckle and Sebastian Ruckle lived when they migrated from Germany to Ireland in 1709. Congratulations on your purchase...and good luck with your restoration plans. Carole Ruckle Richardson

Hi ED I am descended from the Doupe's and Shier's, with some Switzer's, and all the rest of the Palatines sprinkled in there. I have a web site outlining the Doupe/Shier lines. www.geocities.com/judydrysdale Quite a bit of Genealogy and history along with pictures. I am from Samuel m. Catherine Shier and John who married Elizabeth Fitzell as the daugher of Samuel and Catherine, Rachel, married a Charles Doupe (2nd husband) who I believe was a grandson of John Doupe, brother of Samuel. I am also related to the Switzers from the 3rd generation down. Gets a bit confusing after awhile. Check out the above site, you may find it interesting. Judy

Hi Gary, I would be interested in the photos of the house. I am a direct descendent of Michael Switzer, or Michael Schweitzer, as he was apparently known when he left Germany with his brother Christopher in 1709. For anyone who is interested, Eula Lapp's book 'To Their Heirs Forever' has an English translation of a letter of passport that Michael obtained on May 4, 1709. I guess he saw which way the winds were blowing and was preparing for the worst. Someone wrote about Doupes, and I, too, am descended from Doupes. As far as I can see, there is a strong connection between Doupes, Switzers and Shiers all through their family trees. Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: <JamesSwitz@aol.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 09, 2004 4:52 PM Subject: [IP] switzer house > hi my name is gary switzer i live in england and have just purchased the > original palatine house built by christopher switzer in courtmatrix in 1709.I am > so excited about this and will be rebuilding it as close to original as > possible.Anyone with palatine connections will be free to visit or even stay when > work is complete pease email me to recieve photos of the house > Regards > Gary switzer > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, > Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda > >