I am sure they are related somehow. Thanks for your reply - if you ever see anything more on the Hifle/Highfield or spot something about the Faughts, please let me know. Eileen -----Original Message----- From: Mary Burns [mailto:mburns@kingston.net] Sent: Monday, October 04, 2004 11:33 AM To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IP] Cornelius HUFFMAN/HOFFMAN & Mary MILLER Hi Eileen, I don't know anything about the Faughts, but Rachel (Miller) Hifle's name was anglicized to Highfield at some point. her husband was Jacob Highfield. Based on his age in the 1881 Canadian census, he would have been born about 1818. Do these 2 connect with any of yours? Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Glaholt" <fritzgla@winfirst.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: RE: [IP] Cornelius HUFFMAN/HOFFMAN & Mary MILLER > This is the first mention of "Hifle" I have seen posted here. I believe my > great-grandfather's mother may have been a Mary Hifle as his middle name was > Highfield and he named his daughter Mary. His name was William Highfield > Faught (b. Ireland about 1820-30, died ??) and I can find little about him > in the Palatine information. There was also a John Highfield Faught who > could have been his brother. John died in the 1870's in Dublin. > > Anyone have any possible information on this branch of the Faughts? > > Eileen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Burns [mailto:mburns@kingston.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:29 PM > To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IP] Cornelius HUFFMAN/HOFFMAN & Mary MILLER > > The above couple emigrated to Canada about 1835. Cornelius (ca 1795-1867) > has "native of Kerry" on his gravestone. Mary (ca 1799-1885) has simply > "Ireland" on hers. Their daughter Margaret indicated she was born in County > Limerick (ca 1832). It is possible that Mary MILLER was a sister of William > MILLER and Sarah MILLER. William's daughter, Rachel, refers to her as Aunt > Mary in a letter. Rachel was born in 1825 in Adare, County Limerick. Her > married name was HIFLE. She also emigrated to Canada and lived very near > the Huffmans. Sarah MILLER married Christopher SWITZER and likewise moved to > Canada. > My questions: > Were these people descendants of the Irish Palatines? > Where exactly were Cornelius and Mary born? > Who were their parents? > Where and when were they married? > > Thanks very much for any help the list subscribers can give me. I would be > happy to share what I know of their lives in Canada. > > Mary > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body > of the message. > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people. > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Susan Laursen Willig IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com

Hi Eileen, I don't know anything about the Faughts, but Rachel (Miller) Hifle's name was anglicized to Highfield at some point. her husband was Jacob Highfield. Based on his age in the 1881 Canadian census, he would have been born about 1818. Do these 2 connect with any of yours? Mary ----- Original Message ----- From: "Eileen Glaholt" <fritzgla@winfirst.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 7:37 PM Subject: RE: [IP] Cornelius HUFFMAN/HOFFMAN & Mary MILLER > This is the first mention of "Hifle" I have seen posted here. I believe my > great-grandfather's mother may have been a Mary Hifle as his middle name was > Highfield and he named his daughter Mary. His name was William Highfield > Faught (b. Ireland about 1820-30, died ??) and I can find little about him > in the Palatine information. There was also a John Highfield Faught who > could have been his brother. John died in the 1870's in Dublin. > > Anyone have any possible information on this branch of the Faughts? > > Eileen > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Burns [mailto:mburns@kingston.net] > Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:29 PM > To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IP] Cornelius HUFFMAN/HOFFMAN & Mary MILLER > > The above couple emigrated to Canada about 1835. Cornelius (ca 1795-1867) > has "native of Kerry" on his gravestone. Mary (ca 1799-1885) has simply > "Ireland" on hers. Their daughter Margaret indicated she was born in County > Limerick (ca 1832). It is possible that Mary MILLER was a sister of William > MILLER and Sarah MILLER. William's daughter, Rachel, refers to her as Aunt > Mary in a letter. Rachel was born in 1825 in Adare, County Limerick. Her > married name was HIFLE. She also emigrated to Canada and lived very near > the Huffmans. Sarah MILLER married Christopher SWITZER and likewise moved to > Canada. > My questions: > Were these people descendants of the Irish Palatines? > Where exactly were Cornelius and Mary born? > Who were their parents? > Where and when were they married? > > Thanks very much for any help the list subscribers can give me. I would be > happy to share what I know of their lives in Canada. > > Mary > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body > of the message. > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people. > >

Just to confuse things a little more, I have a Mary Miller (ca. 1799-1885) who married Cornelius Huffman. She may have had a sister named Sarah who married a Christopher Switzer. I'm still trying to prove the Sarah-Mary connection. All of these people emigrated to Canada. Does any of this fit with recent postings re Switzers and Millers? ----- Original Message ----- From: <judy.lyn@sympatico.ca> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, October 02, 2004 10:50 AM Subject: [IP] Where Did Harriet(t) Switzer Come From > Know from where you are coming from. > Rachel Doupe first married nathaniel Shier, after he died, she married her cousin Charles Doupe, son of John Doupe who married a Sarah Miller, I have kind of got Charles descending from a John doupe who married Elizabeth Fitzelle, His father may have been Harry Doupe who married an Agnes. > But I am descending from two Doupe brothers... John and Samuel. intermarrying cousins did not seem to bother these people. > I guess they didn't consider thier descendants who would later try to figure out the mess they made. lol > Hopefully you can find someone to figure out your mess, I am still trying to find out something about the mess my ancestors made in my particular tree. > What were they thinking???? lol > Judy > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > >

That is amazing!!! We are all connected in some way out there! Makes this Irish Palatine heritage all the more special because we are all a part of it. I love it!!!

Would you believe, I have FOUR daughters of Charles Shire and Dorothy in my ancestry, 3 in one generation and in the generation before that. And guess what, Judy? We share a 7th gr grandmother, Mary Lawrence. At least that is one connection; I'm sure there are at least a dozen other ways of calculating it. Take care, Paul Dicks _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

All this digging so far is on my mother's side. My father's side has one branch going to the Palatinates - with the families of Link, Krafft, Empey, Schultsin, Eligh and Weiss. This branch settled in New York Province (pre 1776), but I imagine there is a good chance my mom and dad are related, very distantly. If only all the records had the maiden names of the wives, the web would be even more tangled than it appears now. Paul Dicks _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out!

How much wall space do you have? lol I have a whole web site on my family, i don't know how many pages there are. If you are related to the Shier's, bet on being related to the Doupe line as well. www.geocities.com/judydrysdale/genealogy.html I go to the Doupe/Shier line, with switzer, Miller, Modler, Corneille, Dulmege, Lawrence, embury etc. etc. thrown in there as well as Ruttle. I don't even want to think about it all. eeeekkkk!!!!! Glad I could help..

Oh, wow - another connection to the Shier clan. I think there is more of them in me than Switzer, even with descent from both Christopher and Michael. Thanks, Judy, for the extra assist. That'll give me something to do tonight. Boy, gaining three lines in two days - Miller, Modler, and Lawrence. Back to the family tree. I wonder where in the apartment I can start laying out all the little pieces of paper? Paul Dicks >From: <judy.lyn@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IP] The Ongoing, Never Ending Search >Date: Sun, 3 Oct 2004 16:52:59 -0400 > >Hi Dick, > >I have a Mary Miller, daughter of Adam Miller ye younger and Juliana Shier, >Her grandfather was Adam Miller(my 6 times gr. uncle) and Mary Lawrence so >you are now connected to the Lawrences.. Sorry had to point that out.. lol. >I am also connected to the Miller's and Modler's, thru the Doupe line. >I think we are related to the world... lol.. >I have found so many cousins, I don't even want to think about it anymore. >If you are a descendant from the Irish Palatines, lay a solid bet you are >related to everyone of the families. > >Judy > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Be the best you can be right where you are. > _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

Hi Dick, I have a Mary Miller, daughter of Adam Miller ye younger and Juliana Shier, Her grandfather was Adam Miller(my 6 times gr. uncle) and Mary Lawrence so you are now connected to the Lawrences.. Sorry had to point that out.. lol. I am also connected to the Miller's and Modler's, thru the Doupe line. I think we are related to the world... lol.. I have found so many cousins, I don't even want to think about it anymore. If you are a descendant from the Irish Palatines, lay a solid bet you are related to everyone of the families. Judy

I would like to thank everyone, especially Judy, for the encouragement and assistance yesterday with that puzzling aspect of my family tree. As an extra bonus, I now find myself a member of the Modler and Miller families. Who knew! So, how many more cousins did I just gain? It is really amazing, how from a small group of persecuted refugees, our families have intermingled and spread all across the world. The first time I emailed a distant cousin, I felt a sense of wonder, and that sense is not the least diminished. I keep most of the emails I receive from this group, as the odds are fairly decent that in some convoluted way, one of my ancestors is related to those in the email. Happy hunting, Paul Dicks p.s. I'm having a little difficulty figuring how Mary Miller connects to the original Miller/Muller from the Palatine. _________________________________________________________________ Powerful Parental Controls Let your child discover the best the Internet has to offer. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

Paul----when I did the Shier generations I did indeed cover the whole of my kitchen wall. It was the only way I could follow all the connections. Good Lu ck Pat

This is the first mention of "Hifle" I have seen posted here. I believe my great-grandfather's mother may have been a Mary Hifle as his middle name was Highfield and he named his daughter Mary. His name was William Highfield Faught (b. Ireland about 1820-30, died ??) and I can find little about him in the Palatine information. There was also a John Highfield Faught who could have been his brother. John died in the 1870's in Dublin. Anyone have any possible information on this branch of the Faughts? Eileen -----Original Message----- From: Mary Burns [mailto:mburns@kingston.net] Sent: Sunday, September 26, 2004 12:29 PM To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IP] Cornelius HUFFMAN/HOFFMAN & Mary MILLER The above couple emigrated to Canada about 1835. Cornelius (ca 1795-1867) has "native of Kerry" on his gravestone. Mary (ca 1799-1885) has simply "Ireland" on hers. Their daughter Margaret indicated she was born in County Limerick (ca 1832). It is possible that Mary MILLER was a sister of William MILLER and Sarah MILLER. William's daughter, Rachel, refers to her as Aunt Mary in a letter. Rachel was born in 1825 in Adare, County Limerick. Her married name was HIFLE. She also emigrated to Canada and lived very near the Huffmans. Sarah MILLER married Christopher SWITZER and likewise moved to Canada. My questions: Were these people descendants of the Irish Palatines? Where exactly were Cornelius and Mary born? Who were their parents? Where and when were they married? Thanks very much for any help the list subscribers can give me. I would be happy to share what I know of their lives in Canada. Mary ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message.

Harriet Shier b. 06/12/1754 m. Jacob Switzer 01/07/1777 was one of triplets - Elizabeth and Catherine were her sisters, unfortunately her two sisters both died the next year in 1755, Catherine in march and Elizabeth in October. Babies did not survive long back then. actually charles and Dorothy had 11 children. Dorothy m. tobias Switzer Mary b. c.1741 m. John Switzer Sr. Juliana m. Adam Miller Ann m. michael Switzer Christopher died as a child Margaret m. Adam John Dulmage Charles Never married Harriett m. Jacob Switzer Elizabeth Catherine Christopher m. Bridget Wrightson will try to find out more here. harriet and sisters were 8, 9 and 10. what I have on the Modlers are on the web site I am doing for the irish palatines.. www.geocities.com/keepsakebook check there. Judy Elenor's paresnts were michael Modler and Mary Miller and his father was another Michael Modler and his father was Michael Modler b. 1671 Seems like John Switzer went to Brantford Ontario when he immigrated to Canada.

I think that is her grandmother, Judy. I poked backwards and forwards along the descent lines in Rootsweb (which is frustrating when your ancestors are often the eighth or nineth child and no one is following their descendants). I also poked around the Rathkeale info for a couple of hours. I decided to go with the following. Tobias Switzer, b 1848, had for parents Tobias Christopher Switzer and Harriet Shire, christened March 30, 1817; they married in 1838. Harriet's parents appear to be John Switzer, b 1795 and Eleanor Modler; they married 29 Sep 1813. John's parents are....wait for it....YET ANOTHER SHIRE SISTER! Harriet Shire, daughter of Charles. So, of the four grandmothers of Tobias, 3 are sisters (1 may be a half-sister - the old "how many Dorothys did Charles marry") Harriet married Jacob Switzer, who is the son of Martin "Ye Elder" and the mysterious Mary Elizabeth, and Martin's dad wa Johann Michael Schweitzer, brother of Tobias Christopher Switzers ancestor, Johann Christopher Schweitzer. Is this looking tangled yet? So, Johann Michael is my 10 g grandfather, his brother Johann Christopher is my 9 g grandfather. For those keeping score, Tobias and Harriet (Tobias Switzer and Harriet Switzer, not Tobias Switzer and Harriet Shire - do we see why my 10 month old son is named Joshua Tobias Christopher Dicks?) are my 2 g grandmother and grandfather. Now, who has any info on the Modlers? Fill one hole, and another springs up! Happy hunting, Paul Dicks >From: <judy.lyn@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IP] Where Did Harriet(t) Switzer Come From >Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 13:03:35 -0400 > >Could your harriett Switzer be Harriet Shier, "Shier" being her maiden >name. >she married a jacob Switzer. >let's try that! >I am looking thru some records I have.. > >Judy > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out!

Could your harriett Switzer be Harriet Shier, "Shier" being her maiden name. she married a jacob Switzer. let's try that! I am looking thru some records I have.. Judy

Unfortunately, this addiction does not have a cure! the mind explodes as it tries to sort thru the mess! lol perhaps at this very moments someone out there is frantically looking thru their records! Judy

Never mind us trying to find the answers - what do you do with them? The standard family tree program does not make allowances for person 15 being in two places at the same time, never mind whole swaths of the tree with duplicated ancestry. The Charles Shire & Dorothy connection, twice or maybe three times does the trick, and when I go way back in the royal lines, as they all intermarried, the branches begin to combine. Since a lot of royalty descended from Charlemagne, several of the lines bend in that direction; I have three connections so far. Sigh. Even trying to put down on paper the Switzer, Dulmage and Shire lines, interwoven as they are, is going to be a mess. I think the piece of paper would have to as wide as our apartment, and covered with lines going every which way. This is not fun, this is an addiction. :) Take care, Paul Dicks >From: <judy.lyn@sympatico.ca> >Reply-To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IP] Where Did Harriet(t) Switzer Come From >Date: Sat, 2 Oct 2004 10:50:45 -0400 > >Know from where you are coming from. >Rachel Doupe first married nathaniel Shier, after he died, she married her >cousin Charles Doupe, son of John Doupe who married a Sarah Miller, I have >kind of got Charles descending from a John doupe who married Elizabeth >Fitzelle, His father may have been Harry Doupe who married an Agnes. >But I am descending from two Doupe brothers... John and Samuel. >intermarrying cousins did not seem to bother these people. >I guess they didn't consider thier descendants who would later try to >figure out the mess they made. lol >Hopefully you can find someone to figure out your mess, I am still trying >to find out something about the mess my ancestors made in my particular >tree. >What were they thinking???? lol >Judy > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, >If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > _________________________________________________________________ Designer Mail isn't just fun to send, it's fun to receive. Use special stationery, fonts and colors. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

Know from where you are coming from. Rachel Doupe first married nathaniel Shier, after he died, she married her cousin Charles Doupe, son of John Doupe who married a Sarah Miller, I have kind of got Charles descending from a John doupe who married Elizabeth Fitzelle, His father may have been Harry Doupe who married an Agnes. But I am descending from two Doupe brothers... John and Samuel. intermarrying cousins did not seem to bother these people. I guess they didn't consider thier descendants who would later try to figure out the mess they made. lol Hopefully you can find someone to figure out your mess, I am still trying to find out something about the mess my ancestors made in my particular tree. What were they thinking???? lol Judy

This problem has been definitely vexing me. I have two different theories. She is my 3rd g grandmother, so this is a rather large piece of my tree A. If she also went under the name Henrietta Switzer, daughter of John Switzer and Eleanor Modler, for whom there is a notation that this is so, there is one little problem. There is also a notation that she was not married in 1851, three years after my 2nd g grandfather was born. This is too bad, as that line goes to Harriet Shier, then Charles and Dorothy. This would be the third instance of that couple in my tree. Talk about intermarriage! That line branches off to Michael Switzer, which would have me decending from both brothers who emigrated from the Palatinate. B. If her father was Michael Switzer, who is listed in the record of her marriage to my 3rd g grandfather Tobias Switzer, who is this Michael Switzer? There is a rather large number of them to choose from. Further to theory A, or rather, to its demise, a Henrietta Switzer married Christopher Legier on Feb 11, 1861, which is after her stated spinstership, but her father is supposed to be Tobias. Can anyone untangle this mess? I would be grateful. Take care, Paul Dicks, your distance cousin, possibly several times. _________________________________________________________________ Don't just Search. Find! http://search.sympatico.msn.ca/default.aspx The new MSN Search! Check it out!

The above couple emigrated to Canada about 1835. Cornelius (ca 1795-1867) has "native of Kerry" on his gravestone. Mary (ca 1799-1885) has simply "Ireland" on hers. Their daughter Margaret indicated she was born in County Limerick (ca 1832). It is possible that Mary MILLER was a sister of William MILLER and Sarah MILLER. William's daughter, Rachel, refers to her as Aunt Mary in a letter. Rachel was born in 1825 in Adare, County Limerick. Her married name was HIFLE. She also emigrated to Canada and lived very near the Huffmans. Sarah MILLER married Christopher SWITZER and likewise moved to Canada. My questions: Were these people descendants of the Irish Palatines? Where exactly were Cornelius and Mary born? Who were their parents? Where and when were they married? Thanks very much for any help the list subscribers can give me. I would be happy to share what I know of their lives in Canada. Mary