----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: [IP] Palatine Families of Ireland > The book "The Palatine Families of Ireland " apparently mentions the surname BALL. My local library cannot get it for me on library loan. They found one copy but it was not for loan. Could someone tell me if there is another place I could try or could someone please tell me if my family is even mentioned. > Thank you inadvance > Brenda > Ontario, Canada > Researching BALL,PYPHER/PIPHER in Limerick, Ireland > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. >

References have been made to a "Book of Palantine Families of New York" by Henry Z. Jones, Jr. This is actually a set of two books with one index in 2nd book, first printed in 1985, 2nd printing 1990 & 3rd printing 1995. In addition Mr Jones also published his findings in another book known as "More Palantine Families" in 1991 These may be available at the larger libraries. To order them from inter-library loan, one would need to know which book to order. Hope this helps Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 7:36 PM Subject: [IP] Palatine Families of Ireland > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. >

Dear Liz Haren, I'm afraid you will be swamped with requests for copies ot "Palatines", but I also would appreciate a copy if that is still possible. I am descended from Peter Sparling ( also Shier and Fissell) of Limerick and New York, who came with the United Empire Loyalists to Nova Scotia at the end of the American Revolution. Eventually this family settled in North Sydney Nova Scotia. Karen MacLeod RR#1 Thorburn Nova Scotia Canada B0K 1W0 [email protected] wrote: > I had the opportunity to photocopy the entire reel of the FHC's "Palatines". > This is almost a journal of their journey from Germany to Ireland. Here's > the table of contents: > > Bibliography of Irish Palatines > Wesley's Journal > Arthur Youngs Tour in Ireland > Mr. and Mrs S.C Hall's Ireland > Dunraven's Memorials of Adare > Lenihans History of Limerick > History of Limerick by Farrar > Journals of Irish House of Commons > Journals of Irish House of Lords > Calendar of Treasury Papers > Appendix to 2nd report of Historical MSS Commission > Gilberts Report on the King Correspondene in the Lyons MSS > Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland > Mathewson's Irish Surnames in 1894 > The "Irish Evangelist" for 1860 No. 9, Monthly Magazine > Crookshanks History of Irish Methodism > Burn's Chronological Rememberance > Hart's Irish Pedigrees > Sir. R. Steele's Memoirs of Thos Marquis of Wharton > Annals of Queen Anne 1709, pp 166-8 > Boyers Political State of britain Vol 1 pp 133, 276, 280 > History of queen anne Vols 1 and II > GP Disosway's "The Palatines in America" > > This is not "name indexed" so I can't really do look ups, but I'm willing to > copy this entire thing and send it out to those who'd like it for the cost of > mailing it. The copy is ok, not great, but readable. I have no idea who > compiled it, but its a thorough job! > > Take care, > Liz Haren (looking for Neazer from Limerick) > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected]

In a message dated 3/9/2001 6:35:28 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << I have a little on Neazer in County Limerick, not much but you are welcome to it if you want it. >> I would love that! I have so little on my Neazer's other than William Neazer married Bridget Cahill and they emigrated to NY eventually settling in Hoboken, NJ. I think the name died out there for that line as they had 3 girls. Thanks again!

Ok, I weighed this "thing" today and it weighs 1 pound 8 oz or 24 ounces. For mailing anywhere in the US the cost is $3.95 (2 pound mail rate) For mailing to Australia, Europe, England, the cost is $19.20 (24 x .80) For mailing to Oh! Canada the cost is $14.40 (24 x .60). (lots of you Palatines in Canada!) I made 20 sets today and have about 12 requests so far. Since I'll put this thru the company postage meter, its best to reimburse my company. You can make the check out to (and mail it as well to): TKL Research 4 Forest Avenue Paramus, NJ, USA 07652 Put "Palatine" on the envelope. I get the mail, but just in case I'm out that day. Make sure your address is enclosed with the check. Unfortunately it has to be in US Dollars. If you changed your mind about the manuscript because of the price of postage, just let me know! I can also make more copies, so don't worry if the requests exceed 20. Take care, Liz Haren

Hello Liz: I would very much appreciate receiving a copy of "Palatines". It's quite obvious, from the responses you're getting, that you've got your hands on some material that is of great interest to many of us. It's so kind of you to share your good fortune. My check will be in the mail tomorrow morning. Carol Coope 11060 N. Canada Ridge Drive Tucson, Arizona 85737-8559

In a message dated 3/9/2001 7:49:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << Members of the Ball family often intermarried with documented Irish-Palatine families, but whether or not the Balls of Co. Limerick were of German ancestry is not yet firmly proven. There was, however, a 1709er family who settled in colonial America, descended from Johannes Ball and his wife Anna Catherina of 6719 Mauchenheim near Alzey, Germany [See my The Palatine Families of N.Y., Vol 1, pp 14-16, for more on this interesting group). John Switzer of Dublin assigned a house to a John Ball on 24 April 1784. A John Ball of Kilscannel parish md. Elizabeth Bovenhoizer of the same parish 3 Oct 1786; James Ball md. Margaret Shouldice of Killiheen 24 Nov 1790, and perhaps he was he same man as the James Ball, weaver of Killiheen, bur. 30 Nov 1800 (Rathkeale Chbk.). Doug Norman >> maan, I knew I shoulda read ALL my mail :)) oh well, she has two copies

In a message dated 3/9/2001 7:40:00 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << The book "The Palatine Families of Ireland " apparently mentions the surname BALL. My local library cannot get it for me on library loan. They found one copy but it was not for loan. Could someone tell me if there is another place I could try or could someone please tell me if my family is even mentioned. Thank you inadvance Brenda >> Here's what that book says about the Ball Family: Members of the Ball family often intermarried with documented Irish Palatine families, but whether or not the Balls of County Limerick were of German ancestry is not yet firmly proven. There was, however, a 1709'er family who settled in colonial America, descended from Johannes Ball and his wife Anna Catharina of 6719 Mauchenheim near Alzey, Germany (see my book The Palatine Familes of NY). John Switzer of Dublin assigned a house to a John Ball on 24 April 1784 . A John Ball of Kilscannell parish married Elizabeth Bovenhoizer of the same parish 3 October 1876; James Ball married Margaret Shouldice of Killiheen 24 November 1790, and perhaps he was the same man as the James Ball, weaver of Killiheen, buried 30 of November 1800 (Rathkeale Chbk.) Thats the extent of the mention in this book, the Palatine Families of Ireland.

Thank you so much for your reply Through research and help from fellow family researchs my ggggparents were John(James) Ball and Elizabeth Bovenhoizer. which you mentioned. Thanks again Brenda

Hi Muriel, I am researching a Benner/Newell/St John connection. I Have some St John info and leads. David [email protected]

Liz, I would love a copy as well. I'm searching the ST.JOHN & MILLER families in Co. Limerick. Thx! Dan Holden 6968 SW Glenwood Ct. Wilsonville, OR 97070 USA

The book "The Palatine Families of Ireland " apparently mentions the surname BALL. My local library cannot get it for me on library loan. They found one copy but it was not for loan. Could someone tell me if there is another place I could try or could someone please tell me if my family is even mentioned. Thank you inadvance Brenda Ontario, Canada Researching BALL,PYPHER/PIPHER in Limerick, Ireland

Dear Liz, How kind of you to offer to share the photocopy of the FHC's "Palatines". I would certainly appreciate a copy. Would you like me to send the postage ahead of time - or wait and remit the proper amount when it arrives ? Either way is fine with me. My mailing address is: Mrs. Muriel Baerg, 91 Adel Drive, St. Catharines, Ontario. L2M 3W9. I am researching the Switzer and St.John families of County Limerick. Just let me know where to send my remittance. Thanks for your generosity. Regards, Muriel. -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, March 08, 2001 7:16 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Irish Palatines > >I had the opportunity to photocopy the entire reel of the FHC's "Palatines". >This is almost a journal of their journey from Germany to Ireland. Here's >the table of contents: > >Bibliography of Irish Palatines >Wesley's Journal >Arthur Youngs Tour in Ireland >Mr. and Mrs S.C Hall's Ireland >Dunraven's Memorials of Adare >Lenihans History of Limerick >History of Limerick by Farrar >Journals of Irish House of Commons >Journals of Irish House of Lords >Calendar of Treasury Papers >Appendix to 2nd report of Historical MSS Commission >Gilberts Report on the King Correspondene in the Lyons MSS >Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland >Mathewson's Irish Surnames in 1894 >The "Irish Evangelist" for 1860 No. 9, Monthly Magazine >Crookshanks History of Irish Methodism >Burn's Chronological Rememberance >Hart's Irish Pedigrees >Sir. R. Steele's Memoirs of Thos Marquis of Wharton >Annals of Queen Anne 1709, pp 166-8 >Boyers Political State of britain Vol 1 pp 133, 276, 280 >History of queen anne Vols 1 and II >GP Disosway's "The Palatines in America" > >This is not "name indexed" so I can't really do look ups, but I'm willing to >copy this entire thing and send it out to those who'd like it for the cost of >mailing it. The copy is ok, not great, but readable. I have no idea who >compiled it, but its a thorough job! > >Take care, >Liz Haren (looking for Neazer from Limerick) > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >[email protected] >

Liz, That is a very generous labour of love offer. I would be grateful if you could run off a copy for me. If you can give me an idea of the postage cost to the UK I would be happy to send payment before you mail the bundle. Many thanks Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] Do check out www.teskey.org My mission is: o To record the history of all people, past and present, with the name Teskey or who are descended from a Teskey family. o To share this history with all living members of those families, and to make the history available for future generations. o To encourage contact between members of the Teskey families. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 09 March 2001 00:17 Subject: Re: [IP] Irish Palatines > >I had the opportunity to photocopy the entire reel of the FHC's "Palatines". >This is almost a journal of their journey from Germany to Ireland. Here's >the table of contents: > >Bibliography of Irish Palatines >Wesley's Journal >Arthur Youngs Tour in Ireland >Mr. and Mrs S.C Hall's Ireland >Dunraven's Memorials of Adare >Lenihans History of Limerick >History of Limerick by Farrar >Journals of Irish House of Commons >Journals of Irish House of Lords >Calendar of Treasury Papers >Appendix to 2nd report of Historical MSS Commission >Gilberts Report on the King Correspondene in the Lyons MSS >Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland >Mathewson's Irish Surnames in 1894 >The "Irish Evangelist" for 1860 No. 9, Monthly Magazine >Crookshanks History of Irish Methodism >Burn's Chronological Rememberance >Hart's Irish Pedigrees >Sir. R. Steele's Memoirs of Thos Marquis of Wharton >Annals of Queen Anne 1709, pp 166-8 >Boyers Political State of britain Vol 1 pp 133, 276, 280 >History of queen anne Vols 1 and II >GP Disosway's "The Palatines in America" > >This is not "name indexed" so I can't really do look ups, but I'm willing to >copy this entire thing and send it out to those who'd like it for the cost of >mailing it. The copy is ok, not great, but readable. I have no idea who >compiled it, but its a thorough job! > >Take care, >Liz Haren (looking for Neazer from Limerick) > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >[email protected] > >

p. 6 The Palatine Families of Ireland BALL Members of the Ball family often intermarried with documented Irish-Palatine families, but whether or not the Balls of Co. Limerick were of German ancestry is not yet firmly proven. There was, however, a 1709er family who settled in colonial America, descended from Johannes Ball and his wife Anna Catherina of 6719 Mauchenheim near Alzey, Germany [See my The Palatine Families of N.Y., Vol 1, pp 14-16, for more on this interesting group). John Switzer of Dublin assigned a house to a John Ball on 24 April 1784. A John Ball of Kilscannel parish md. Elizabeth Bovenhoizer of the same parish 3 Oct 1786; James Ball md. Margaret Shouldice of Killiheen 24 Nov 1790, and perhaps he was he same man as the James Ball, weaver of Killiheen, bur. 30 Nov 1800 (Rathkeale Chbk.). Doug Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 4:36 PM Subject: [IP] Palatine Families of Ireland The book "The Palatine Families of Ireland " apparently mentions the surname BALL. My local library cannot get it for me on library loan. They found one copy but it was not for loan. Could someone tell me if there is another place I could try or could someone please tell me if my family is even mentioned. Thank you inadvance Brenda Ontario, Canada Researching BALL,PYPHER/PIPHER in Limerick, Ireland ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind.

Hi Liz, What an offer you have made, I think you will be inundated with requests, it sounds too good to be true! How many pages does the copy run into. I live in Australia and would love a copy but not sure how I will be able to send you US dollars. If you could give me an idea of what postage might be I will find out the best way I can get the money to you first. Cheers Jacqui Central Victoria. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, March 09, 2001 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Irish Palatines > > I had the opportunity to photocopy the entire reel of the FHC's "Palatines". > This is almost a journal of their journey from Germany to Ireland. Here's > the table of contents: > > Bibliography of Irish Palatines > Wesley's Journal > Arthur Youngs Tour in Ireland > Mr. and Mrs S.C Hall's Ireland > Dunraven's Memorials of Adare > Lenihans History of Limerick > History of Limerick by Farrar > Journals of Irish House of Commons > Journals of Irish House of Lords > Calendar of Treasury Papers > Appendix to 2nd report of Historical MSS Commission > Gilberts Report on the King Correspondene in the Lyons MSS > Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland > Mathewson's Irish Surnames in 1894 > The "Irish Evangelist" for 1860 No. 9, Monthly Magazine > Crookshanks History of Irish Methodism > Burn's Chronological Rememberance > Hart's Irish Pedigrees > Sir. R. Steele's Memoirs of Thos Marquis of Wharton > Annals of Queen Anne 1709, pp 166-8 > Boyers Political State of britain Vol 1 pp 133, 276, 280 > History of queen anne Vols 1 and II > GP Disosway's "The Palatines in America" > > This is not "name indexed" so I can't really do look ups, but I'm willing to > copy this entire thing and send it out to those who'd like it for the cost of > mailing it. The copy is ok, not great, but readable. I have no idea who > compiled it, but its a thorough job! > > Take care, > Liz Haren (looking for Neazer from Limerick) > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >

There is a book called "The Palatine Families of Ireland" by Hank Jones. Amazon can get it for you, or you could write to Picton Press in Camden, Maine. Either way, here's the amazon link, you can read about it. copy this to your browser or see below http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0929539095/qid=984138634/sr=1-1/ref=sc_ b_1/105-3916398-1108762 or click here <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0929539095/qid=984138634/sr=1-1/r ef=sc_b_1/105-3916398-1108762">Amazon.com: buying info: Palatine Families Ireland</A>

In a message dated 3/8/2001 8:48:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << What an offer you have made, I think you will be inundated with requests, it sounds too good to be true! How many pages does the copy run into. I live in Australia and would love a copy but not sure how I will be able to send you US dollars. If you could give me an idea of what postage might be I will find out the best way I can get the money to you first. Cheers Jacqui Central Victoria. >> It's about 250 pages, and I'll be more than happy to send it to Australia. I have cousins in Longreach and I mail there often (not as often as I should). It's no problem whatsoever! I hope I am inundated with requests. It really should be a part of people's collections, far too valuable to be sitting on here my shelf. It costs nothing to copy for me and its easy with our high speed copier, so don't worry. I'll try to get it out early next week. Send me your address. Liz Haren

In a message dated 3/8/2001 7:17:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, [email protected] writes: << This is not "name indexed" so I can't really do look ups, but I'm willing to copy this entire thing and send it out to those who'd like it for the cost of mailing it. The copy is ok, not great, but readable. I have no idea who compiled it, but its a thorough job! >> By the way, its approximately 250 pages, but an interesting read.

I had the opportunity to photocopy the entire reel of the FHC's "Palatines". This is almost a journal of their journey from Germany to Ireland. Here's the table of contents: Bibliography of Irish Palatines Wesley's Journal Arthur Youngs Tour in Ireland Mr. and Mrs S.C Hall's Ireland Dunraven's Memorials of Adare Lenihans History of Limerick History of Limerick by Farrar Journals of Irish House of Commons Journals of Irish House of Lords Calendar of Treasury Papers Appendix to 2nd report of Historical MSS Commission Gilberts Report on the King Correspondene in the Lyons MSS Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland Mathewson's Irish Surnames in 1894 The "Irish Evangelist" for 1860 No. 9, Monthly Magazine Crookshanks History of Irish Methodism Burn's Chronological Rememberance Hart's Irish Pedigrees Sir. R. Steele's Memoirs of Thos Marquis of Wharton Annals of Queen Anne 1709, pp 166-8 Boyers Political State of britain Vol 1 pp 133, 276, 280 History of queen anne Vols 1 and II GP Disosway's "The Palatines in America" This is not "name indexed" so I can't really do look ups, but I'm willing to copy this entire thing and send it out to those who'd like it for the cost of mailing it. The copy is ok, not great, but readable. I have no idea who compiled it, but its a thorough job! Take care, Liz Haren (looking for Neazer from Limerick)