I would just like to thank Muriel for sending me information on the Palatine Families of Ireland. Hope you get this message, my package arrived yesterday Brenda

Hello Liz, What a wonderful thing you have offered for those of us who are looking for our Palatine Ancestors. If you have another copy I would love to receive one from you. I will make out a check and send it off this coming week. Thank You so much!! Gail Kirby P.O. Box 372 Central Lake, MI. 49622 ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Irish Palatines > > I had the opportunity to photocopy the entire reel of the FHC's "Palatines". > This is almost a journal of their journey from Germany to Ireland. Here's > the table of contents: > > Bibliography of Irish Palatines > Wesley's Journal > Arthur Youngs Tour in Ireland > Mr. and Mrs S.C Hall's Ireland > Dunraven's Memorials of Adare > Lenihans History of Limerick > History of Limerick by Farrar > Journals of Irish House of Commons > Journals of Irish House of Lords > Calendar of Treasury Papers > Appendix to 2nd report of Historical MSS Commission > Gilberts Report on the King Correspondene in the Lyons MSS > Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland > Mathewson's Irish Surnames in 1894 > The "Irish Evangelist" for 1860 No. 9, Monthly Magazine > Crookshanks History of Irish Methodism > Burn's Chronological Rememberance > Hart's Irish Pedigrees > Sir. R. Steele's Memoirs of Thos Marquis of Wharton > Annals of Queen Anne 1709, pp 166-8 > Boyers Political State of britain Vol 1 pp 133, 276, 280 > History of queen anne Vols 1 and II > GP Disosway's "The Palatines in America" > > This is not "name indexed" so I can't really do look ups, but I'm willing to > copy this entire thing and send it out to those who'd like it for the cost of > mailing it. The copy is ok, not great, but readable. I have no idea who > compiled it, but its a thorough job! > > Take care, > Liz Haren (looking for Neazer from Limerick) > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] >

2 more mailed today Cunningham, Australia Heald, Nepean, Ontario Thanks for the notes! :)) I love them. Liz Haren

2 more mailed today Cunningham, Australia Heald, Nepean, Ontario Thanks for the notes! :)) I love them. Liz Haren

Passenger records for Dolmage to America mid 1800's Passenger's Name: Andrew Dolmage Age: 19 Gender: Male Occupation: Uncle Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Jun. 19, 1849 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Josephine Manifest ID Number: 3795 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Anne Dolmagh Age: 18 Gender: Female Occupation: Uncle Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: May 10, 1850 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Albert Gallatin Manifest ID Number: 4461 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Anne Dolmagh Age: 50 Gender: Female Occupation: Uncle Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: May 10, 1850 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Albert Gallatin Manifest ID Number: 4461 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Ellen Dolmagh Age: 12 Gender: Female Occupation: Uncle Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: May 10, 1850 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Albert Gallatin Manifest ID Number: 4461 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Jacob Dolmagh Age: 30 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: May 10, 1850 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Albert Gallatin Manifest ID Number: 4461 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Maria Dolmagh Age: 20 Gender: Female Occupation: Uncle Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: May 10, 1850 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Albert Gallatin Manifest ID Number: 4461 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown

Some Switzer Ships Passenger records from the mid 1800's and one Teskey Passenger's Name: Mr. ??? Switzer Age: 24 Gender: Male Occupation: Farmer Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Aug. 4, 1851 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Alice Wilson Manifest ID Number: 5501 Port of Embarkation: Dublin Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Ann Switzer Age: 25 Gender: Female Occupation: Servant Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 19, 1851 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Nor Manifest ID Number: 5609 Port of Embarkation: Limerick Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Banlet Switzer Age: 40 Gender: Male Occupation: Laborer Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 18, 1847 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: Ireland Ship's Name: Rappahannock Manifest ID Number: 2545 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Temporary visitor Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Christopher Switzer Age: 5 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 18, 1847 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: Ireland Ship's Name: Rappahannock Manifest ID Number: 2545 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Temporary visitor Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Eliza Switzer Age: 6 months Gender: Female Occupation: Infant Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 18, 1847 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: Ireland Ship's Name: Rappahannock Manifest ID Number: 2545 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Temporary visitor Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Ester Switzer Age: 9 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 18, 1847 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: Ireland Ship's Name: Rappahannock Manifest ID Number: 2545 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Temporary visitor Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Henry Switzer Age: 22 Gender: Male Occupation: Builder Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Jul. 13, 1852 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Henry Clay Manifest ID Number: 900181 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Hugh Switzer Age: 2 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 18, 1847 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: Ireland Ship's Name: Rappahannock Manifest ID Number: 2545 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Temporary visitor Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Jane Switzer Age: 18 Gender: Female Occupation: Spinster Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Jun. 5, 1862 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: City Of New York Manifest ID Number: 901783 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Jno. Switzer Age: 4 Gender: Male Occupation: Child Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 18, 1847 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: Ireland Ship's Name: Rappahannock Manifest ID Number: 2545 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Temporary visitor Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Julius Switzer Age: 30 Gender: Male Occupation: Servant Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 19, 1851 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Nor Manifest ID Number: 5609 Port of Embarkation: Limerick Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Margaret Switzer Age: 40 Gender: Female Occupation: Uncle Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 18, 1847 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: Ireland Ship's Name: Rappahannock Manifest ID Number: 2545 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Temporary visitor Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Margt. Switzer Age: 24 Gender: Female Occupation: Servant Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: May 5, 1851 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Alert Manifest ID Number: 5227 Port of Embarkation: Waterford Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Margt. Switzer Age: 6 Gender: Female Occupation: Child Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 18, 1847 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: Ireland Ship's Name: Rappahannock Manifest ID Number: 2545 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Temporary visitor Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Maria Switzer Age: 15 Gender: Female Occupation: Spinster Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Jun. 5, 1862 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: City Of New York Manifest ID Number: 901783 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: William Switzer Age: 10 months Gender: Male Occupation: Infant Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Sep. 19, 1851 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: Nor Manifest ID Number: 5609 Port of Embarkation: Limerick Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown Passenger's Name: Carolina Swizter Age: 16 Gender: Female Occupation: Spinster Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Jun. 5, 1862 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: City Of New York Manifest ID Number: 901783 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Staying in USA, but not a citizen of USA Mode of Travel: Steerage Passenger's Name: Terssa Tesky Age: 24 Gender: Female Occupation: Servant Last Residence: Ireland Date of Arrival: Jul. 12, 1849 Port of Debarkation: New York Final Destination: USA Ship's Name: St. George Manifest ID Number: 3871 Port of Embarkation: Liverpool Purpose for Travel: Unknown Mode of Travel: Unknown

Another request came in the afternoon mail. So one more sent out today to: Nardin, N. Saanick, BC, Canada

The following are being sent out today 3/21/2001 M.Wallace, Ontario K. MacLeod, Nova Scotia Jorgensen, Courtenay, BC Dulmage, Chestertown, MD D. Norman, Vancouver, BC Cadieux, Kingston, On Christiansen, Reno, NV Stewart, Vancouver, BC McElligott, Peotone, IL Thanks for the notes, it was fun to open the envelopes and see all the greetings! I'm sure there will be more, but that is all I have received so far. Take care and happy ancestor hunting, Liz Haren

Misfired on that last email, sorry! :) I mailed the package to the following people today: M. Baerg, Ontario (thanks for the info! :) H. Masson, Ontario R. Switzer, Colorado I have loads more to mail tomorrow. :)

Would someone in Ireland who sees this list and is willng to chat with me about burial customs in Ireland please e-mail me privately at mailto:[email protected] ? Please forgive the off-topic request. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marian Aelick" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Irish Palatines > Hello Liz - > > I am just home and catching up on my email from being away for a week. > Would it be possible for me to get a copy of this book. Could you > please let me know your p-copy and postage charges in order that I can > reimburse you. Thank you. > > Marian Aelick > 2421 Larchwood Drive > Sudbury ON P3E 6C4 > > [email protected] wrote: > > > > I had the opportunity to photocopy the entire reel of the FHC's "Palatines". > > This is almost a journal of their journey from Germany to Ireland. Here's > > the table of contents: > > > > Bibliography of Irish Palatines > > Wesley's Journal > > Arthur Youngs Tour in Ireland > > Mr. and Mrs S.C Hall's Ireland > > Dunraven's Memorials of Adare > > Lenihans History of Limerick > > History of Limerick by Farrar > > Journals of Irish House of Commons > > Journals of Irish House of Lords > > Calendar of Treasury Papers > > Appendix to 2nd report of Historical MSS Commission > > Gilberts Report on the King Correspondene in the Lyons MSS > > Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland > > Mathewson's Irish Surnames in 1894 > > The "Irish Evangelist" for 1860 No. 9, Monthly Magazine > > Crookshanks History of Irish Methodism > > Burn's Chronological Rememberance > > Hart's Irish Pedigrees > > Sir. R. Steele's Memoirs of Thos Marquis of Wharton > > Annals of Queen Anne 1709, pp 166-8 > > Boyers Political State of britain Vol 1 pp 133, 276, 280 > > History of queen anne Vols 1 and II > > GP Disosway's "The Palatines in America" > > > > This is not "name indexed" so I can't really do look ups, but I'm willing to > > copy this entire thing and send it out to those who'd like it for the cost of > > mailing it. The copy is ok, not great, but readable. I have no idea who > > compiled it, but its a thorough job! > > > > Take care, > > Liz Haren (looking for Neazer from Limerick) > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > List Administrator: > > Susan Laursen Willig > > [email protected] > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] >

Here is the link where you can access the IRL-Palatine Archives... http://searches2.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl In the field labeled "Name of List" just type in the following: IRL-PALATINE and click on "Submit Query". Then you can select the year 2000 or 2001 in which to search messages. All the best, Susan SL Willig [email protected] List Admin. for Sullivan Co., NH, Addison Co., VT, IRL-Palatine, Empey-l, Garfield-l

Could someone please telll me how to find past Palatine messages. I know the message board exists because I have seen it before. It was listed by months....Thanks, Carole

Dear Kerry, Palatine Friends, Please enjoy this limerick adapted from, "A Palatine's Daughter" version. It tells of my great-grandparents rendezvous. Oh, how nice if I knew that more than the names and places were true! ) W.L.Mc. ________________ A PALATINE DAUGHTER at COUNTY KERRY by Walter L. McElligott <[email protected]> One day, walking home to "Ballymac"* at County Kerry, My heart leapt high and my spirit warned, "Don't tarry." I rushed through Tarbert in my horse and buggy On the road to Sallowglen was a smilin' Palatine lass. The lovely maiden FITZELLE did question me at last Her, Gaelic brogue did ask, "Pray what is your name? Of that I told and the dwelling of which I came. Oh, Sire MCELLIGOTT, dare you me accompany? To Blackbriar where my good folk await for me? For of all the Munster lads did I ever see You're the very first squire to ever plaze me." I drew her up to my side, our lips touched twice over "If to your home with you I go, will you be my lover? Do not be afraid of that, I'll wed you and no other. I'll leave my kindred, my father and my mother. I'll give to you my fortune, your silver is no bother." "This song I sing to all married men and sweethearts gay, Heed this true promise going forth to you all this day Tis how I got a house and land, my darling from her mother Her hair is black as any sloe, her skin as fair as fair can be. Of all the fine Irish maids my blue eyes did ever see This child of yore was the very first to e'er plaze me. "And now my song is ended, For I married this Kerry lass Together in passion our Irish days did joyously pass." *"Ballymac" is Ballymacelligott Parish Copyright Walter L. McElligott <[email protected]> All U.S.A. & international electronic & print rights reserved to author, March 2001 ________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi, Carole - Normally it's an easy thing to do to find the IP archives, but not right now. Roots Web is undergoing a big overhaul, and the archives for Roots Web mailing lists are currently offline. They have not given us any time frame for when we can expect to see them back online either... Sorry for the inconvenience. All the best, Susan List Admin. At 05:34 PM 3/18/01 -0500, you wrote: >Could someone please telll me how to find past Palatine messages. I know the >message board exists because I have seen it before. It was listed by >months....Thanks, Carole > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind.

To Judy, Sue and All Many people check out this site to try to find out if the name they are researching is IRISH PALATINE in origin. Now, some of us 'old' contributors know about our own family names, or can check out a few books to see if the name in question is listed - but - would you all agree with me - we can never be sure we have identified ALL the 1709 refugees from Germany who eventually settled in Ireland. We probably never will! So, if you've just Records in Ireland have their problems - many lost, burned etc. But there are some 1709 emigrant lists made out in Rotterdam and London as an early guide. These of course include "Palatines" who went to America, stayed in England, were returned home etc. Just recently Rob Snell directed us to a book on the internet which INCLUDES REPRODUCTIONS OF THE LISTS. This is Walter A Knittle's "Early 18th Century Emigration", published in the 1930s. As Rob says, you can go to the site, (which has lots more about Palatines besides the "lists") via: http://www.global2000.net/fortklock/history.html Click on "Contents" at page bottom, then "Books" - and you'll find it. If you want to be lazy and go straight to the book's list of contents: http://www.geocities.com/ajberry29/knittle.html Look especially at "Chapter Ten Appendices". (Established contributors - look at all the appendices - you'll VERY likely find your ancestor included there! Those interested in who was still in Ireland in the 1930s look at Appendix 9 (Fred Barkman was me own dear ole great uncle!)). If you think you've found the name you're looking for, you need then to check out Hank Jones's books "The Palatine Families of Ireland", "The Palatine Families of New York - 1910", and "More Palatine Families" to see if he has discovered where that family went. If you can't get the books from your library, they are available on: http://www.hankjones.com A few words of caution about the lists. The originals contain mistakes - the names were written down by Dutch and English agents etc, often phonetically, so mis-spelt. Mr Knittle did a great job interpreting them for his book - but the printed names in his book are interpretations of old handwriting. They were also put in alphabetical order, so you can't tell who was standing by who when the lists were made out, and that can be important. They are also incomplete - in summer 1709 the British Government gave up keeping lists - they were simply overwhelmed by more and more immigrants! But let's hope one day we'll be able to find reproductions of the original lists on the internet! An Irish Palatine family is special - but so is EVERY family! Good hunting. Di Mitchell [email protected]

Hello Liz - I am just home and catching up on my email from being away for a week. Would it be possible for me to get a copy of this book. Could you please let me know your p-copy and postage charges in order that I can reimburse you. Thank you. Marian Aelick 2421 Larchwood Drive Sudbury ON P3E 6C4 [email protected] wrote: > > I had the opportunity to photocopy the entire reel of the FHC's "Palatines". > This is almost a journal of their journey from Germany to Ireland. Here's > the table of contents: > > Bibliography of Irish Palatines > Wesley's Journal > Arthur Youngs Tour in Ireland > Mr. and Mrs S.C Hall's Ireland > Dunraven's Memorials of Adare > Lenihans History of Limerick > History of Limerick by Farrar > Journals of Irish House of Commons > Journals of Irish House of Lords > Calendar of Treasury Papers > Appendix to 2nd report of Historical MSS Commission > Gilberts Report on the King Correspondene in the Lyons MSS > Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland > Mathewson's Irish Surnames in 1894 > The "Irish Evangelist" for 1860 No. 9, Monthly Magazine > Crookshanks History of Irish Methodism > Burn's Chronological Rememberance > Hart's Irish Pedigrees > Sir. R. Steele's Memoirs of Thos Marquis of Wharton > Annals of Queen Anne 1709, pp 166-8 > Boyers Political State of britain Vol 1 pp 133, 276, 280 > History of queen anne Vols 1 and II > GP Disosway's "The Palatines in America" > > This is not "name indexed" so I can't really do look ups, but I'm willing to > copy this entire thing and send it out to those who'd like it for the cost of > mailing it. The copy is ok, not great, but readable. I have no idea who > compiled it, but its a thorough job! > > Take care, > Liz Haren (looking for Neazer from Limerick) > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected]

Liz Many, many thanks the documents arrived this morning, very good mail service to England. I am just starting to look through it and it seems to be a fantastic account of the Palatine History. I will enjoy reading it all, so again many thanks. Christine. ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2001 6:46 PM Subject: [IP] "manuscript mailed" > > I would contact you individually, like I did with 2 people on the list, but I > can't recall now all your email address nor can I find them. So I'll try to > group these so as not to antagonize the rest of you. > > The following had their items mailed: > > 3/13 Coope, Az > 3/13 Holden, Or > 3/14 Richardson, Md > 3/14 Murphy for Dobson, England > 3/15 McDonald, England > 3/15 Willig, Az > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Feel free to submit to the IP GenConnect boards. Here are two: > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineBibl > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineBios > >

Liz, My copy arrived yesterday. Many thanks! Dan Holden

Hi, Judy - Welcome to the Irish Palatine list! (Often shortened to "IP"...) Your Hansburgh/Hansborough puzzle is an interesting one. And you're right - imagine a young girl pronouncing her name with a strong Irish accent. There may have been a number of twists and turns in the evolution of her surname. The surname of HOFFMAN is an IP surname. According to Eula Lapp in "To Their Heirs Forever", the name was originally Swedish (HOPPMAN), but with various immigrations, it evolved to HOFFMAN and the family moved to England in 1709 with the great Palatine migration. Hoffman, I know, is quite a departure from Hansburgh, but hey, it's a possibility! <g> Another possibility is the Huguenot connection. There were many French Huguenots who left France because of religious persecution and immigrated to Ireland early on... So, there are a fair number of "Irish" names that have a distinctly French flavor. Might Hansburgh be one of those? At any rate, we're pleased that you joined the IP gang, Judy. We're all working to break down the so-called brick walls in our family histories. Good luck with yours! All the best, Susan At 10:05 PM 3/16/01 -0600, you wrote: >Hello: >I have just joined this list because sks suggested the name I am >researching might be that of an Irish Palatine family. Bridget >HANSBURGH (or HANSBORO[UGH]--as the name was written on her record of >marriage intent--was born in Ireland around 1830. We know neither the >town nor the county. At some time before August, 1846, she emigrated >to the US. There she married Nicholas FORD, who also born in Ireland >(town? county?) around 1830. They married in Greenfield, Franklin >County, MA in August, 1846. I know much about the Fords after that >year--they settled first in Kinderhook, NY, then in Pittsfield, MA >where they raised their ten children. But I cannot find out anything >about their origins in Ireland, except that Nicholas' father's name >was James. About Bridget, nothing. I cannot locate any siblings in the >US, and the name is pretty well non-existent in Ireland. SL Willig [email protected] List Admin. for Sullivan Co., NH, Addison Co., VT, IRL-Palatine, Empey-l, Garfield-l