My cousin Leora Stark Burnsworth corresponded several times with Wayne before he died and purchased his book she said it was some of the best money spent.I think he wrote 2 books. This is my family. She sent me a page 44 and has a note on the top (this is from his first book called Generations. It states Henry Stark (the oldest brother) lived at Baltimore *(this would be my great greatgrandfather I believe) where I have so much problems in is that my father the oldest was only 12 when his father Charles Havener Stark was killed in coal mine, Charles was the youngest and was born after his father Richard Havener Stark died at also a young age in his 40's of Pnemonia he was a shoemaker and was born(1840) in Ireland also the youngest of Henry Stark and Betsy Mee Stark (Betsy died enroute to US) Henry return to Europe we are told and remarried and returned to Baltimore and had 3 more children) So you see all 3 of these names Stark Havener and Mee have been noted in Ireland Palatine families. Would like to share family information as Henry's sister Catharine Stark called "Kitty" married Henry Ruckle Sr. This Hugh Ruckle which son is he of? >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 02:48:56 EDT > >I am reading the book""The Bittinger, Bittner, Biddinger, and Bidinger >Families --and Their Kin--of Garrett County, Maryland" by Waylne Bittinger >at >this time. It mentions a lot of Starks and Ruckles, Switzers etc. It is >an >835 page book full of information. > >I am researching Henry Ruckle and Catherine Stark family at the present >time. > They are a part of the hugh Ruckle family that I belong to. There were >also >other Ruckle families living in the area of Western Maryland at the same >time. (Henry's brother, Michael Ruckle who married Keziah Friend and his >Uncle David Ruckle and several others.) Daniel Ruckle was there also. I >think Daniel was one of David's sons. >If you would like for me to look up anything in this book or have any >questions on the Ruckle family I would be more than glad to answer as best >as >I could. > >Carole Ruckle Richardson, Baltimore, Maryland > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Two more IP GenConnect Boards. Please post your info! >http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineObits >http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineWill > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Liz, Rathkeale Parish Church is indeed where many of the Irish Palatines were baptised, married and buried. I have not been following any previous Neazer messages - have you seen the early references to the Neazor, etc families in Hank Jones' "The Palatine Families of Ireland" ? Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] Do check out www.teskey.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 19 April 2001 20:01 Subject: Re: [IP] Questions I'm going to finally break down and try to find my Neazer in Ireland. I thought I might try the Church Records for Rathkeale since its a pretty good shot that he came from that area. Does anyone know the film name/number from the FHC that would have these records? I found one on line and it was "Church of Ireland, Parish Church of Rathkeale", film no. 897365. Would that be where the Palatines would have been baptized? Any advice would be great! Thanks! Liz ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda

Liz, I have not been following any Neazer messages. Have you seen the early references to the Neazor, etc families in Hank Jones' "The Palatine Families of Ireland" ? Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] Do check out www.teskey.org -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: 19 April 2001 20:01 Subject: Re: [IP] Questions I'm going to finally break down and try to find my Neazer in Ireland. I thought I might try the Church Records for Rathkeale since its a pretty good shot that he came from that area. Does anyone know the film name/number from the FHC that would have these records? I found one on line and it was "Church of Ireland, Parish Church of Rathkeale", film no. 897365. Would that be where the Palatines would have been baptized? Any advice would be great! Thanks! Liz ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda

Hi, OK, I stand corrected. The Palatines were French and German. Anne

I am reading the book""The Bittinger, Bittner, Biddinger, and Bidinger Families --and Their Kin--of Garrett County, Maryland" by Waylne Bittinger at this time. It mentions a lot of Starks and Ruckles, Switzers etc. It is an 835 page book full of information. I am researching Henry Ruckle and Catherine Stark family at the present time. They are a part of the hugh Ruckle family that I belong to. There were also other Ruckle families living in the area of Western Maryland at the same time. (Henry's brother, Michael Ruckle who married Keziah Friend and his Uncle David Ruckle and several others.) Daniel Ruckle was there also. I think Daniel was one of David's sons. If you would like for me to look up anything in this book or have any questions on the Ruckle family I would be more than glad to answer as best as I could. Carole Ruckle Richardson, Baltimore, Maryland

Hi Chris, Thank you for you email. I only ran upon the Irish Palatine by looking listing Henry Stark, Richard Havener, Betsy Mee from County Clare and Limerick also Catherine Stark married to Henry Ruckle. Well as it happened Rathkeale Ireland's Palatine came up and after reading the different articles on the Palatines of Ireland and all my families names issued in the articles it was all to clear that at last I had found my family, and as my great grandmother Lydia Seibert married Richard Havener Stark who always proclaimed herself Pennsylvania Dutch. I think it a strange thing that of the 150 miles it seems my entire family reestablished themselve in south western Pa and north western Maryland and all remarried among themselves. In my background also is Lower/Loar/Lohr Eckert, Seiler, Stull, Winebrenner, Burket etc. I have been since told that my Starks have married with Doup, Switzer, and several others. I have wondered if the Starks went to Australia and Canada as well as US? I have Starks that have been coming to US for almost 200 years I see that they have settled close to each other But never was able to put the family ties together except they had the same last name and seemed to move as a group making you to believe that a strong connection to each other. That is my hope to have others see the extended family names and fill in the missing links as I know is the hope of all of us. Thanks again for writing. PS I have been reading all the correspondence about this papers being send to other IRL-Palatine people What is the information? I came along late in the story and am at a loss. >From: "Christopher Le Gear" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 23:45:10 -0000 > >Hi Jean > >I've been following your messages on the list. A couple of points that you >might want to consider!! >Although the Palatinate was in what we know today as Germany, at the end of >the 17th century it had become a place of refuge for Protestants from all >over Europe, particularly Huguenots from the Alsace-Lorraine. Consequently, >any IP family's origins are subject to >speculation and further investigation. >Secondly, it is not totally surprising that your family gave it's >nationality as Irish. By the 19th century many of them had been >assimilated and considered themselves Irish. One of my own ancestors, Jacob >LeGear, that emigrated to Ontario in 1843 with his family gave his >nationality as Bavarian in the 1861 census whilst his adult sons gave >theirs as Irish. My own father, born in Rathkeale in 1919, knew nothing of >his Palatine heritage and always considerd himself Irish. >Hope this helps. > >Chris LeGear > > >>From: "A.J Corwin" <[email protected]> >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:30:51 -0000 >> >>Yes I did know that but what I didn't understand was that on my great >>grandfathers naturalization papers is said Ireland My father said he was >>Irish. and his cousin all said they were Irish. So I was taken back to >>find >>that they were Irish Palatines. I was surprised as the word Palatine was >>never mentioned in our family on Irish as family tree. Lots for me to >>learn. >>Thanks for writing want to learn all I can. >>Jean >> >> >>>From: [email protected] >>>Reply-To: [email protected] >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >>>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:40:06 EDT >>> >>>Hi, >>> >>>From reading your e-mail on the IP site, it appears that you do not know >>>that >>>Palatine is German. Very much so. >>> >>>I may not be the only one to tell you this. >>> >>>Anne >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >>>Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about >>>events. Small minds talk about people. >>> >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com >> >> >>==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >>My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but >>they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers >> > >_________________________________________________________________________ >Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >You can’t plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi, Very likely they asked your gggrandfather where he was born, which was most probably Ireland. I know that sometimes with the movement of different peoples as groups, it is sometimes hard to follow through on the leads. I am trying to locate if one line that I am working could be Palatine, as he was born in Limerick Co., Ireland about 1784, which fits the Palatine movement. (Ransbury) It is hard to tell at this time until I find some type of record. Anne

Hi Jean I've been following your messages on the list. A couple of points that you might want to consider!! Although the Palatinate was in what we know today as Germany, at the end of the 17th century it had become a place of refuge for Protestants from all over Europe, particularly Huguenots from the Alsace-Lorraine. Consequently, any IP family's origins are subject to speculation and further investigation. Secondly, it is not totally surprising that your family gave it's nationality as Irish. By the 19th century many of them had been assimilated and considered themselves Irish. One of my own ancestors, Jacob LeGear, that emigrated to Ontario in 1843 with his family gave his nationality as Bavarian in the 1861 census whilst his adult sons gave theirs as Irish. My own father, born in Rathkeale in 1919, knew nothing of his Palatine heritage and always considerd himself Irish. Hope this helps. Chris LeGear >From: "A.J Corwin" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 19:30:51 -0000 > >Yes I did know that but what I didn't understand was that on my great >grandfathers naturalization papers is said Ireland My father said he was >Irish. and his cousin all said they were Irish. So I was taken back to find >that they were Irish Palatines. I was surprised as the word Palatine was >never mentioned in our family on Irish as family tree. Lots for me to >learn. >Thanks for writing want to learn all I can. >Jean > > >>From: [email protected] >>Reply-To: [email protected] >>To: [email protected] >>Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >>Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:40:06 EDT >> >>Hi, >> >>From reading your e-mail on the IP site, it appears that you do not know >>that >>Palatine is German. Very much so. >> >>I may not be the only one to tell you this. >> >>Anne >> >> >> >> >>==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >>Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about >>events. Small minds talk about people. >> > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but >they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Yes I did know that but what I didn't understand was that on my great grandfathers naturalization papers is said Ireland My father said he was Irish. and his cousin all said they were Irish. So I was taken back to find that they were Irish Palatines. I was surprised as the word Palatine was never mentioned in our family on Irish as family tree. Lots for me to learn. Thanks for writing want to learn all I can. Jean >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [IP] Stark/Havener/Mee >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 12:40:06 EDT > >Hi, > >From reading your e-mail on the IP site, it appears that you do not know >that >Palatine is German. Very much so. > >I may not be the only one to tell you this. > >Anne > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about >events. Small minds talk about people. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Like others I was told my ancestors were from Ireland, all the proof was there but was told that my maiden name Stark was a German name. Now I find that Stark-Stork-Sturk Havener and Mee were Palatine it all seems to fit now and my great grandfather Richard who was born in Co. Clare Limerick area came to US 1846 and as an adult married Lydia Siebert a Palatine name BUT her family had come to US prior to Revolutionary War. Any one that has this family in their own please contact me. Jean Stark Corwin _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi, Can you tell me where your Crowleys settled? Anne

Hi, From reading your e-mail on the IP site, it appears that you do not know that Palatine is German. Very much so. I may not be the only one to tell you this. Anne

Hello, Anne: Yes, my emigrant CROWLEY was Mary, who was born in County Limerick around 1828 or so. She married (whether before or after emigration, we don't know yet) Edward FLANNERY, and they were settled in Machias, Maine, USA by 1848. Mary's father was John CROWLEY; her mother was Julia FOLEY, both of Limerick (don't know the town/townland yet). One problem for us is that Edward was from Galway (Kiltullagh and Athenry Parishes)--and we don't yet know how they met. Probably on ship or here in North America after arrival. We think Mary's mother Julia may have come over (maybe after her father John died) and lived with the Flannerys for a time; at least one census suggests that. Any possible connections?? Cheers, Judy Researching: Galway: BRENNAN, FLANNERY Limerick: CROWLEY, FOLEY Tipperary: FANNING, FOGARTY ????: FORD ????: HANSBURGH/HANSBORO[UGH] ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:59 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Thanks much, Margot Hi, Can you tell me where your Crowleys settled? Anne ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Feel free to submit to the IP GenConnect boards. Here are two: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineBibl http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineBios

Hi I am new to the List and would be most grateful for any help I may receive. My GGGG grandfather and GGG Grandmother immigrated to Australia in about 1839/41 from Dundalk Co Louth Ireland. Their surname was MOURITZ. The earliest MOURITZ member to be found so far in Ireland would be about Joseph MOURITZ d. 1791 aged 61years b. Abt 1730. I have always thought that MOURITZ was a very unusual Irish name and while investigating came across the Palatines. So I am hoping someone may be able to help me to discover if my family are Palatines. Regards Tania Queensland, Australia

Are you researching the Hollngers? Have data. please contact me privately. Kate ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Margot's list of Palatine Families--1720 > Margot, do you find the name Hollinger? > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. >

I appreciate your looking for my HANSBURGHs. Cheers, Judy Researching: Galway: BRENNAN, FLANNERY Limerick: CROWLEY, FOLEY Tipperary: FANNING, FOGARTY ????: FORD ????: HANSBURGH/HANSBORO[UGH]

Thanks for lookup, Margot. My Hollingers did immigrate from Ireland to Ontario, but I can't seem to link them with Palatines. On with the search.

Margot, do you find the name Hollinger?

Cannot find the name in the book "Limerick the Rich Land" nor in "The Palatine Families of Ireland". It sure sounds French to me. I do recall staying with a family in Kilrush with a odd name that sounded so French, when I mentioned that to them they said that there had been a large population of French descendents in Ireland that settled around Roscommon. Thats a small lead there. Also, as a point of interest, I've been thru Dundalk many many times. In the north of Ireland they refer to it as El Paso because it is "south of the border" with the north, as El Paso, Mexico is "south of the border" to Americans. Good luck in your search. In a message dated 4/19/2001 7:13:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > I am new to the List and would be most grateful for any help I may receive. > My GGGG grandfather and GGG Grandmother immigrated to Australia in about > 1839/41 from Dundalk Co Louth Ireland. Their surname was MOURITZ. The > earliest MOURITZ member to be found so far in Ireland would be about Joseph > MOURITZ d. 1791 aged 61years b. Abt 1730. I have always thought that > MOURITZ was a very unusual Irish name and while investigating came across > the Palatines. So I am hoping someone may be able to help me to discover > if my family are Palatines. > > Regards > Tania >

Hello Margot I know you didn't offer to do look ups so ignore this request if you haven't the time. My Switzer ancestors John and family were from Ballingrane and later expanded to Newpark Farms in Kilcooly, Tipperary. Are there any Switzers on your list?. Could you tell me what reference you're using and where you got the list you refer to below? Thanks, Gladys Slemp, Coronation, Alberta ----- Original Message ----- From: margot jorgensen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 8:55 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Margot's list of Palatine Families--1720 > Sorry Donna, > I checked and can't see Hollinger. I also checked a list of " 213 Palatine > Families in Ireland, 13 July 1715 ", and couldn't find anything close. Of > course, I have taken my information from a book about those who emigrated to > Ontario, so it is possible the transcribing doesn't cover all names. > Margot > ----- Original Message ----- > > > Margot, do you find the name Hollinger? > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers >