Dear MacListers, Ireland, County Kerry Listers, IPs, For those who might be interested in this piece of history of Irish windmills, I found this on the Internet. The Historical Society of Greater Peotone, Illinois USA (43 miles so. of Chicago), to which I belong is restoring an 1872 windmill. In my mill research, I coincidentally came across this item. This turns out to be an exciting tie between my genealogical and historical research. County Kerry is my forebears' homeland, and Blennerhassett is my gr-mother's father's surname. Otherwise, this mill data is new to me also. I'm not certain yet, exactly how/where Sir Rowland fits in my family tree. If any readers can provide further info on Sir Rowland Blennerhassett, it would be greatly appreciated. Walter God Bless, Walter (Joan) X. McElligott P.O.B. 161 Peotone, IL 60468-0161 <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Blennerville, County Kerry The village of Blennerville lies just south of Tralee, the main town of County Kerry, on the edge of Tralee Bay. It is located on the main Tralee-Dingle Road (N86/R555). The Tralee and Blennerville area is easily accessible from Kerry Airport, and by car, bus or train. The Slieve Mish mountains sweeping down almost to the sea and the view from Blennerville past the Maharees peninsula to Brandon Head and the Dingle Peninsula make this an area of outstanding beauty, ideally suited for holidays. The renowned hikers trail, the Dingle Way begins in Blennerville and stretches along the coast, crossing the Brandon mountains before dropping down to the port of Dingle. History In the year 1800 there were over 100 working windmills in Ireland, now only 3 survive - Blennerville, and its sister mills at Ballycopeland, Co. Down, and Tacumshin, Co. Wexford. The introduction of steam power marked the death of the traditional wind-powered windmill in the middle of the last century. Blennerville windmill was built about 1800 by Sir Rowland Blennerhassett, an English settler, after whom Blennerville village is named. The mill was a thriving concern with granaries and storehouses nearby. In its heyday, the windmill was used for grinding corn for both the local population and for export to Britain. It was ideally placed near to the quayside of the canal from the mouth of Tralee Bay to the edge of the town. But tragedy befell Blennerhassett's wife Milicent, who was killed by a blow from the sails. The sails employ canvas to catch the wind, but can turn too quickly if over-set. Blennerville was at one time the port of Tralee, but the estuary suffers from heavy silting and in the 1830's the Tralee Ship Canal was built to bring boats of up to 300 tons to the town's Prince's Quay. This area is now being renovated and Tralee Marina is being built at Prince's Quay. The windmill fell into disuse about 1850 and became the victim of the many storms sweeping in from the Atlantic. The windmill was purchased in 1982 by Tralee Urban Council, but had by this time become completely derelict and structurally unsound. The Council had to decide whether to demolish it or stabilize it. Fortunately for our tourist industry in the area, the Council and the newly-formed Blennerville Committee decided to stabilize and restore it, with the primary aim of restoring it as a tourist attraction. Dr. Fred Hamond, an industrial archeologist based at Queen's University, Belfast, an expert on mill restoration, was engaged by the Committee to report on the viability and scope of the restoration project in 1983. After visiting Blennerville, Dr. Hamond concluded that although badly deteriorated, a full restoration was possible. He suggested 4 stages of restoration: consolidation of the existing structure. rehabilitation and utilisation of the shell. reconstruction of the cap and sails. fitting of all internal machinery such that the mill would once again grind corn. This work was begun in June 1984 and completed in 1990. The Windmill Centre now comprises a Craft Centre, exhibition gallery, audiovisual presentation and restaurant adjoining the now-working windmill. The painstaking restoration was undertaken by ANCO as a community youth training scheme. Work on the windmill itself included the replacement of all 19 windows and door arches, fitting of new pitch-pine floors, exterior rendering, manufacturing of the elm wall plate and winding wheel, turning of the massive 24 inch diameter wind and main shafts and the erection of a permanent roof. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi Doug Noticed you were researching the name Piper from Adare Limerick I am searching for information on a Mary Piper/Pypher born about 1798 in Adare Limerick. She married William Ball about 1812. Their childrens names were Abner, Joseph, Rebecca, Gideon, Issac, Aaron, Mary Ann, Lavina, Caroline, William, Eilzabeth, Margaret. She died about 1846 in Ontario Canada. Do any of these names mean anything with your research. If so I would really like to hear from you. Thanks Brenda

Brenda: Sorry, but I am not researching PIPER surname. However, I have a couple married into lines of mine. For what it's worth: Catherine Piper chr. 25 July 1745 Co. Limerick d. bef 15 Apr 1771 m. 4 Nov 1762 Rathkeale Church to Adam Teskey d. 1814. Issue: Elizabeth, Ann, James, John James Piper m. Charlotte Mick, d/o Richard Mick & Mary Long b. 14 Aug 1856. Issue: Elizabeth Not too much help, I'm afraid. Doug Norman ----- Original Message ----- From: "Casey Family" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2001 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Piper and Corneille > Hi Doug > Noticed you were researching the name Piper from Adare Limerick > I am searching for information on a Mary Piper/Pypher born about 1798 in > Adare Limerick. > She married William Ball about 1812. Their childrens names were Abner, > Joseph, Rebecca, Gideon, Issac, Aaron, Mary Ann, Lavina, Caroline, William, > Eilzabeth, Margaret. She died about 1846 in Ontario Canada. > Do any of these names mean anything with your research. If so I would > really like to hear from you. > Thanks Brenda > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Feel free to submit to the IP GenConnect boards. Here are two: > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineBibl > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineBios >

Sorry we can't help you at the moment...know very little abt Long family. I put the message on for a friend who is not on the internet so if you would like to contact her ,if you send your postal address she will be able to write via slow mail! Thanks again, Janette ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug Norman <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:28 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Piper and Corneille > Janette: > > I would be interested in anything you have on the LONG family. I descend > from Mary LONG and Joseph MICK. Joseph was b. 1810, son of Henry MICK and > Elizabeth TESKEY. It is possible that my Mary is a child of James LONG of > parish Kilcornan, m. June 27, 1811 to Elizabeth SWITZER of Courtmatress. > Anything that helps me to prove or disprove that is most welcome. > > Doug Norman > Vancouver, BC > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Janette Thomson" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:55 PM > Subject: [IP] Piper and Corneille > > > > I am researching the family name of PIPER. > > Information required re. marriage of John PIPER and Frances LONG ,abt > 1798-ish in Adare,county Limerick > > Also information on Elizabeth CORNEILLE, b. abt 1760's near > Rathkeale,Limerick,and her ancestors,particularly Elizt's date of death. > > Thanking you all in anticipation, > > Janette in Melbourne,Australia > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > List Administrator: > > Susan Laursen Willig > > [email protected] > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > >

I am researching the family name of PIPER. Information required re. marriage of John PIPER and Frances LONG ,abt 1798-ish in Adare,county Limerick Also information on Elizabeth CORNEILLE, b. abt 1760's near Rathkeale,Limerick,and her ancestors,particularly Elizt's date of death. Thanking you all in anticipation, Janette in Melbourne,Australia

Janette: I would be interested in anything you have on the LONG family. I descend from Mary LONG and Joseph MICK. Joseph was b. 1810, son of Henry MICK and Elizabeth TESKEY. It is possible that my Mary is a child of James LONG of parish Kilcornan, m. June 27, 1811 to Elizabeth SWITZER of Courtmatress. Anything that helps me to prove or disprove that is most welcome. Doug Norman Vancouver, BC ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janette Thomson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, May 07, 2001 11:55 PM Subject: [IP] Piper and Corneille > I am researching the family name of PIPER. > Information required re. marriage of John PIPER and Frances LONG ,abt 1798-ish in Adare,county Limerick > Also information on Elizabeth CORNEILLE, b. abt 1760's near Rathkeale,Limerick,and her ancestors,particularly Elizt's date of death. > Thanking you all in anticipation, > Janette in Melbourne,Australia > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >

Hello Liz: I am most pleased to have a copy of the Palantine manuscript. However, would it be possible for you to give us the name and source of the manuscript?. I think you said it was from a microfilm. I'm sorry if I missed this in the beginning of the discussion. Thank you, Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 8:59 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Palatine manuscript >

Thank you, everyone, for the help on the Neazer surname!! Also, someone sent me a check for a copy of the manuscript but our copier is down (gee, I wonder why) and it's delayed me a few days. So whoever you are (you're in the US somewhere), give me a few more days to get it in the mail :) Liz

Ken McDonald wrote: > > I have been impressed with the volume of great information that has been > committed to the List's archives. I hope that I may find time to read it all > and occasionally contribute. > In case you have Teskeys amongst your ancestors, may I commend the Teskey > website, www.teskey.org > I hope many of you may find this useful. > Ken McDonald (my Mother was a Teskey, and also descended from Legear, Stark > and Ruttle) > 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England > [email protected] > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] Dear Ken; I've seen several of your letters to the net lists and its about time I answer. I've been working on my Mothers family the "Kerfoot"'s. Thomas Kerfoot born Ireland ca 1800 emigrated to Canada 1819 m. Ann Tomlinson had two children and both m. Teskey's. William Henry Kerfoot m. Margaret Teskey. and Elizabeth Kerfoot m. Thomas Teskey. I'm particly short on dates of this family and believe I don't have all the descendents in full. However I can send you what I have but we have a problem. I have a new computer but my info is all on the old one yet. So the only way I can send you the info is to print it out and send it Snail Mail. If you are interested in what I got send me your address and I'll get it away this week. Another problem I got and so far and have no solution. There is a bit of family lore in our family. It goes like this "The Kerfoot's came out of Germany spent three generations in Ireland than Emigrated to Canada in 1819". Now we know the 1819 date for sure but three generations is kind of an ambigous figure. But it could well fit into the Palatine migrations. Now I know we shouldn't have to put too much credit in family lore but I believe its true no mater how much my Grandmother tried to po po such a thing. An older brother of my Mothers told me in confedence that his father "George Kerfoot" b. 1842 told him it was true no mater how much his Mother told it was not. I belong to several Roots-Web lists looking for clues but so far nothing has came up. I've checked all the reels I could lay my hands on at LDS library on Palatines so far have never found the Kerfoot name in it yet. I'm beginning to wonder if they could of been among the few who had no surname when they came out to London and maybe a custom officer gave him his name. We have some Raynards in our family and they believe they got their surname as a concotion of Reinland when they came out. In the early 1700's people didn't set much store in their surname and new names were picted up quit easily. As the Kerfoot's came from Coolcullen in Kilkenny right on the border of Carlow. And about 15 miles east in Carlow there is a place called Palatine which had a Palatine population for a time but just disappeared. Maybe the Kerfoot's were part of that settlement than when it broke up just moved west to Coolcullen. This is all speculation but could be true. Any idea how I can find the facts. In some of the early records we find Kerfoot spelled in the German way "Kerfut". Suggesting to me that it might have a German origin. Bye for now please keep in touch. Hugh

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Hi I've checked my files and can find no mention of Cramer(or variant) anywhere in association with the Irish Palatines. However, there were at least three Kramer/Kremer families that came out of Rotterdam in 1709 (3rd and 6th parties) but there is no evidence that they went on to Ireland. In fact, there were two Kramer families in the New York Party as well as two Cramer families returned to Holland as Catholics. However, the name CRAMER is not uncommon in Ireland and predates the Palatine influx by at least 100 years. These Irish CRAMERs may vell have originated in Germany though, as I have also seen reference to a variant spelling as VON CRAMER! Hope this helps! Chris Le Gear _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Terry I know just what you mean, in school are teachers told us NO WAY Stark is a German name meaning Strong and true. But ALL of our STARK ancestors said their family was born in Ireland. Strange thing is it was all true. Good luck hope you find your family. Jean >From: "Terry Spear" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:30:45 -0500 > >Thanks, I haven't checked Limerick...will do so next! The first time I >mentioned that Cramers were from Ireland on the Cramer list...wow! did I >have objections big time! There are no such things as Irish >Cramers....transplanted maybe, but they didn't originate from there...at >least that is what I was informed! So shall check out Limerick now! Terr >-----Original Message----- >From: Kimberley <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:21 PM >Subject: Re: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer > > > >could it be that the family was originally from Germany and then left >during > >the palatine migration and landed in Ireland?.... > >have you looked on Irish sites in the county of Limerick?..that is where > >many lived upon arrival from Germany > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Terry Spear <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:09 PM > >Subject: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer > > > > > >> Researching Abraham Cramer (b. 1799) and his family who ended up in the > >States, then, because we assume they were Loyalists, ended up in Ontario, > >Canada. Though most records show they were German, some show they were > >Irish, so we are trying to determine if this family was in Germany, then > >Ireland, then came to the States. Terry Spear of Crawford, Texas > >> > >> > >> ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >> Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. > >> > >> > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > >If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >[email protected] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

Hi, Just a little hint when checking for your Cramers. Be sure to check the K section of all indexes. C is not usually used in the German language. I found this out by accident. Anne

could it be that the family was originally from Germany and then left during the palatine migration and landed in Ireland?.... have you looked on Irish sites in the county of Limerick?..that is where many lived upon arrival from Germany ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Spear <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:09 PM Subject: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer > Researching Abraham Cramer (b. 1799) and his family who ended up in the States, then, because we assume they were Loyalists, ended up in Ontario, Canada. Though most records show they were German, some show they were Irish, so we are trying to determine if this family was in Germany, then Ireland, then came to the States. Terry Spear of Crawford, Texas > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. > >

Thanks, Jean! Terry -----Original Message----- From: A.J Corwin <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer Terry I know just what you mean, in school are teachers told us NO WAY Stark is a German name meaning Strong and true. But ALL of our STARK ancestors said their family was born in Ireland. Strange thing is it was all true. Good luck hope you find your family. Jean >From: "Terry Spear" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer >Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:30:45 -0500 > >Thanks, I haven't checked Limerick...will do so next! The first time I >mentioned that Cramers were from Ireland on the Cramer list...wow! did I >have objections big time! There are no such things as Irish >Cramers....transplanted maybe, but they didn't originate from there...at >least that is what I was informed! So shall check out Limerick now! Terr >-----Original Message----- >From: Kimberley <[email protected]> >To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:21 PM >Subject: Re: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer > > > >could it be that the family was originally from Germany and then left >during > >the palatine migration and landed in Ireland?.... > >have you looked on Irish sites in the county of Limerick?..that is where > >many lived upon arrival from Germany > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: Terry Spear <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:09 PM > >Subject: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer > > > > > >> Researching Abraham Cramer (b. 1799) and his family who ended up in the > >States, then, because we assume they were Loyalists, ended up in Ontario, > >Canada. Though most records show they were German, some show they were > >Irish, so we are trying to determine if this family was in Germany, then > >Ireland, then came to the States. Terry Spear of Crawford, Texas > >> > >> > >> ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >> Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. > >> > >> > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > >If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >[email protected] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== You can’t plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind.

Thanks, I haven't checked Limerick...will do so next! The first time I mentioned that Cramers were from Ireland on the Cramer list...wow! did I have objections big time! There are no such things as Irish Cramers....transplanted maybe, but they didn't originate from there...at least that is what I was informed! So shall check out Limerick now! Terr -----Original Message----- From: Kimberley <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]web.com> Date: Thursday, April 26, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer >could it be that the family was originally from Germany and then left during >the palatine migration and landed in Ireland?.... >have you looked on Irish sites in the county of Limerick?..that is where >many lived upon arrival from Germany >----- Original Message ----- >From: Terry Spear <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2001 2:09 PM >Subject: [IP] Cramer/Creamer/Cremer > > >> Researching Abraham Cramer (b. 1799) and his family who ended up in the >States, then, because we assume they were Loyalists, ended up in Ontario, >Canada. Though most records show they were German, some show they were >Irish, so we are trying to determine if this family was in Germany, then >Ireland, then came to the States. Terry Spear of Crawford, Texas >> >> >> ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >> Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. >> >> > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, >If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson >

Researching Abraham Cramer (b. 1799) and his family who ended up in the States, then, because we assume they were Loyalists, ended up in Ontario, Canada. Though most records show they were German, some show they were Irish, so we are trying to determine if this family was in Germany, then Ireland, then came to the States. Terry Spear of Crawford, Texas

You too could slow down this new site. I got on for a while, but was kicked of after a while. Seems to be best to register (leave the zip code blank if outside USA) Happy hunting. Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] Do check out www.teskey.org >At http://www.ellisislandrecords.org/ you can search an online database of >passenger records of people arriving in America via Ellis Island between >1892 and 1924. You can search for a first name and last name combination, >or just a last name search. This is free to do.

I'm so sorry, I meant to write huge Ruckle family as in large family not Hugh Ruckle. I'm sorry for any confusion that might have caused. OOPS!!!!! The Wayne Biddinger I purchased my Biddinger book from a few weeks ago is very much alive. The book is as your cousin said, money well spent...and I have only read the first 200 pages. I have never seen a copy of the first book called Generations. I will have to write to Wayne Biddinger and see if he has any copies of that book and also see if there are any Ruckles listed in it. I don't know if Wayne Biddinger has a computer and an email address or not. I only have his snail mail address. The book was $35.00 which I thought was a great price. I would be glad to share family information but do not know too much about the Starks. I have just recently started to look into these families in Western Maryland. Sometimes I go to the Maryland Historical Society and could look in the files for Stark informatoin if you would give me some specific people or things to look for. You can email me directly if you like and we can discuss it. Carole

Check out the Archives of this list at http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ When the list first started I put BMDs [mainly SWITZERS] from FHL film # 0897365 from Rathkeale online on the mailing list. I know there was Elizabeth Nezzer married to Tobias Switzer in 1786... Also the Tennison Grove papers are there with Palatine families in 1715, 1720, the religion census of 1760 and freeholders 1755-1790. If unable to access the Archives, email me off line & I will sent them to you. These papers give more spellings to the Palatine names, for you to search... Barb Milburn Ontario Canada