Good morning.. would you be so kind as to enlighten me on the following. If the Miller family came to Canada in 1849, or 1848, from Ireland.. what route would they have taken to get to Ont? are there records that I should be looking for. I have searched the ship sites,but am dumber than when I started.. am most confused as to were I should be looking. Would there be something on a microfilm..Without sounding long winded, just HELP. Thank you one and all. Have a great day Mary

Hi, Rene - It just occurred to me that another spelling possibility for your surname might be KOEPPER. That looks and sounds more German than does the KEPPER. Have you researched that variation? Susan At 10:59 PM 7/10/01 +0200, you wrote: >Hello to all, > >I am looking for any information on people with the Kepper surname in Ireland. > >My own ancestors came from Hessen-Kassel in Germany, but there also lived >Keppers in the Palatinate area in the 17th century. For instance David and >Margaretha Kepper have their daughter Catharina baptised in the Reformed >church of the town of Enkirch (situated on the Mosel river) in 1649. > >While doing research on German Kepper immigrants to the US I came across a >John Kepper, who according the 1850 Pennsylvania Census, was born in >Ireland. There also is a James Kepper who in 1733 married Elisabeth >Medcalf in the First Presbyterian Church in Philadelphia. So I wondered if >they maybe are descendents of Palatine refugees who about 1710 were >settled in Ireland. > >Checking various Irish genealogical sources on the Internet I found 3 >records on the Kepper name in Ireland. > >From the site Irish Family records : >- Kepper, no forename, born in 1869 in Dublin (Irish Births 1864-1900) >- Kepper John, born 1859, living in Lancashire (Irish persons recorded in >the UK Census of 1881) > >From the site County Cork Genweb Project : >- John Kepper, witness to a marriage at St. Finbarr on the 6th of november >1900 (Cork Marriage Records) > >Does anyone know if the Kepper surname is mentioned in the book "Palatine >Families In Ireland" written by Hank J. James ? > >Every bit of information is appreciated. > >Rene Kepper > > > > > > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, >If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Wow, Terry! You hit the mother lode, from the sounds of it! Congratulations on your spectacular find. It has obviously touched you deeply, and that's just part of the reason we're all into genealogy. Ken McDonald, GREAT WORK! What a difference you've made in Terry's life! How nice of you to share this with us, Terry. May it serve as inspiration to all of us who have been beating our heads against what appear to be genealogical brick walls. With patience and perseverance we just never know when or from whence the perfect clue will emerge. Hooray! Susan At 01:14 PM 7/16/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hello good friends > >I came across the IRL Palatine List and its vibrant community of goodhearted >researchers less than a month ago and have learned a great deal, besides >making many good friends. But his weekend I hit upon the most joyful >discovery and would like to share it with you. > >If you're not into Palatine lyrical - look away now. > >A fellow lister tipped me off about the school register data for Rathkeale, >freely available through the IPA at http://www.erin.ie/ipa and it proved to >be a true revelation. I knew my father had attended that school, but thought >the privacy threshold of 1910 would exclude him and would not prove >particularly helpful. At all events I always look into these things with hope >and was justly rewarded; even the tiniest hint is enough to send us into >delirium when records about everything else seem so dismally scarce. > >The register showed the attendance of the entire family I have been >researching for most of my adult life - Grandfather Arthur Piper and his 8 >siblings, right through from 1873 to just six months before my father's 4th >birthday, when he would have been registered in the normal course of events. > >I know enough of the subsequent lives of most of those children to write an >entire chapter, even more - but the register in itself is a brilliant >illustration of the gradual dismemberment of the Palatine heartland in County >Limerick. I was able to correct three essential birthdates for my own tree >and to discover the missing daughter who died in her youth. There is too the >child (a Bovenizer) who would eventually marry one of the Piper girls and >generate his own patriarchal colony - but that too is unlikely to last beyond >this decade. > >Although my father's name does not yet appear, there is the young classmate >who "used to copy" his sums and spelling tests (mistaking 'moustache' for >mouse-ache on one occasion). I know it seems a bit silly, but looking at that >microcosm of family life in a dying community (details that rarely come to us >of children's lives, beyond the scope of b/m/d certificates and census >returns) does bring a little sadness along with the cheer of discovery. > >Am I boring you? Please excuse me. I simply thought you might like to know. > >If you're still reading, I can tell you that three of the boys were >long-serving soldiers - one being Mentioned in Despatches, in Flanders; >another playing out time for 21 years in garrison forts around the coasts of >Britain and Ireland, whilst the third was killed at the battle of Al'Orah in >Mesopotamia, scarcely a dozen years out of school No 2. Son number four >stayed and worked the land at Killeheen until his death in 1940 (his name is >mentioned in Patrick O'Connors' book as the last of the line, although GF >lived on to 1958). > >The land passed to my father and he had to sell it because our home in London >was being blitzed by incendiaries. I have the letter of sale from a solicitor >in Rathkeale. How I would have loved to live there. > >A second sister also died in her youth and a third moved out to Winnipeg, >never married and died in her 90s (how I would love to know about that >woman's life. When did she go and why? What ship took her there? Did she know >someone out there?). > >There was another family of Piper/Pyper children later at the same school and >I have fairly good information on them too. He was gunsmith/whitesmith Julius >Pyper, husband of Alicia Downes and father of eight. I wonder how he was >related to my GGF Richard. > >I could go on, but I think I've burned out your screens by now. Just know >that I am very happy to have happened across your company. > >Many thanks to Ken McDonald and his wife who transcribed this valuable >material. I cannot wait to see the data from the No 3 school, promised for >the near future. If any help is needed with the hard graft of typing the >data, I am only too glad to help. > >Terry Pyper >(Lincolnshire, UK) >__________ > >Preferred address: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected] ></A> > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but >they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers

Hello good friends I came across the IRL Palatine List and its vibrant community of goodhearted researchers less than a month ago and have learned a great deal, besides making many good friends. But his weekend I hit upon the most joyful discovery and would like to share it with you. If you're not into Palatine lyrical - look away now. A fellow lister tipped me off about the school register data for Rathkeale, freely available through the IPA at http://www.erin.ie/ipa and it proved to be a true revelation. I knew my father had attended that school, but thought the privacy threshold of 1910 would exclude him and would not prove particularly helpful. At all events I always look into these things with hope and was justly rewarded; even the tiniest hint is enough to send us into delirium when records about everything else seem so dismally scarce. The register showed the attendance of the entire family I have been researching for most of my adult life - Grandfather Arthur Piper and his 8 siblings, right through from 1873 to just six months before my father's 4th birthday, when he would have been registered in the normal course of events. I know enough of the subsequent lives of most of those children to write an entire chapter, even more - but the register in itself is a brilliant illustration of the gradual dismemberment of the Palatine heartland in County Limerick. I was able to correct three essential birthdates for my own tree and to discover the missing daughter who died in her youth. There is too the child (a Bovenizer) who would eventually marry one of the Piper girls and generate his own patriarchal colony - but that too is unlikely to last beyond this decade. Although my father's name does not yet appear, there is the young classmate who "used to copy" his sums and spelling tests (mistaking 'moustache' for mouse-ache on one occasion). I know it seems a bit silly, but looking at that microcosm of family life in a dying community (details that rarely come to us of children's lives, beyond the scope of b/m/d certificates and census returns) does bring a little sadness along with the cheer of discovery. Am I boring you? Please excuse me. I simply thought you might like to know. If you're still reading, I can tell you that three of the boys were long-serving soldiers - one being Mentioned in Despatches, in Flanders; another playing out time for 21 years in garrison forts around the coasts of Britain and Ireland, whilst the third was killed at the battle of Al'Orah in Mesopotamia, scarcely a dozen years out of school No 2. Son number four stayed and worked the land at Killeheen until his death in 1940 (his name is mentioned in Patrick O'Connors' book as the last of the line, although GF lived on to 1958). The land passed to my father and he had to sell it because our home in London was being blitzed by incendiaries. I have the letter of sale from a solicitor in Rathkeale. How I would have loved to live there. A second sister also died in her youth and a third moved out to Winnipeg, never married and died in her 90s (how I would love to know about that woman's life. When did she go and why? What ship took her there? Did she know someone out there?). There was another family of Piper/Pyper children later at the same school and I have fairly good information on them too. He was gunsmith/whitesmith Julius Pyper, husband of Alicia Downes and father of eight. I wonder how he was related to my GGF Richard. I could go on, but I think I've burned out your screens by now. Just know that I am very happy to have happened across your company. Many thanks to Ken McDonald and his wife who transcribed this valuable material. I cannot wait to see the data from the No 3 school, promised for the near future. If any help is needed with the hard graft of typing the data, I am only too glad to help. Terry Pyper (Lincolnshire, UK) __________ Preferred address: <A HREF="mailto:[email protected]">[email protected] </A>

Hi this isn't much, but maybe of interest: I was trawling through the registers of the villages around Worcester, mainly Elmley Castle, Charlton and Cropthorne which are all near to Evesham and I found a burial for a Mr Best, Palatine gentleman who settled in this village. He did have ancestors and the name is still in the area even today Hazel

Hello Mary - Your mention of the book TO THEIR HEIRS FOREVER caught my attention. You mentioned that you are working on your Miller line. Have you a Switzer connection? Are you by chance a Garrett Miller descendant? I am NOT a Miller descendant but am a Switzer, from Peter and Anna Maria Guier (included in the book) through their son Peter. If you are from Garrett Miller and one of his Switzer wives, perhaps we might have some information to exchange. Sharon Kingston, Ontario Jack & Mary wrote: > > Hi group... thou I have only one book " To Their Heirs Forever... I will be most happy to do look up. I am still very slowly working on my Miller line... I do so enjoy the information sent on to the list. thank you so much for sharing.. I do have many questions,but none at this time. > Have a wonderful summer, and good health to all. > Mary McDonald > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson

Sue, I gazed upon my bookshelves this morn, & discovered a few books on the hx of Ireland & Irish genealogy, but not specific to IP rellies. God Bless, Walter (Joan) X. McElligott P.O.B. 161 Peotone, IL 60468-0161 (43 mi S. of Chicago) <[email protected]> 1. "A History of Ireland", Peter & Fiona Somerset Fry present a concise & enjoyable hx of Ireland, 1998 2. "The Story of the Irish Race", Seumas MacManus, rev. ed., 1966, The Devin-Adair Co., Old Greenwich, CN, USA. a saga of the Irish from earliest times to our own. 3. "Pocket Guide to Irish Geneaology", Brian Mitchell, 1991, Clearfield Co., Geneaological Publishing Co., Baltimore, MD, USA. A handy tool for tracing Irish ancestors from North to South. Also, try these online pages: 4. Olive Tree Genealogy (est. 1996) ~ provides FREE genealogical data online <http://www.olivetreegenealogy.com> including a Palatine section. 5. eBay auction house always lists genealogical items (books, bibles, maps, photos, etc.) for bid/sale. Register for FREE & go to their genealogy section. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------ ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Hi group... thou I have only one book " To Their Heirs Forever... I will be most happy to do look up. I am still very slowly working on my Miller line... I do so enjoy the information sent on to the list. thank you so much for sharing.. I do have many questions,but none at this time. Have a wonderful summer, and good health to all. Mary McDonald

Hi: I'd like to add a couple of other sources that I don't have but have come across. These are noted on the Renfrew County website on the Ontario genweb: www.rootsweb.com/~onrenfre/publish.html These are: Irish Migrants in the Canadas: A New Approach by Bruce S. Elliot King's Men: Palatines in Ontario by Mary B. Fryer Regards, Carol Collins _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.

Has any research been done about the 1709 Palatines who either stayed in England or returned from Ireland to England to settle shortly after 1709? (I understand from various books - Knittle, Jones, O'Connor etc, there were quite a number) All I have heard of is an occasional record on a parish level of funds being raised "to settle a Palatine family in England" (no names given). Susan's message below reminds me that, although I live in England, I've never heard of any family from the 'London' or 'Rotterdam' lists which has been shown to have settled immediately in England, Scotland or Wales. Has anything specific been researched or written on these families? (Or, for that matter, what about those 1709 Palatine families who went to the West Indies?) Go on everybody - please help when you can - I love it when you fill in my knowledge gaps !!!! Regards Di Mitchell England (Barkman, Shier & Le Gear) ----- Original Message ----- From: susan patt spencer <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:30 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Possible Kepper Palatine link > I enjoyed your spunky response to the Keppel posting. > > . I find my PATT names are either Irish or German on things like census > records and ships passenger lists. All the ancestral file shows no PATT > families in Ireland before about 1700, then they become English. So I > always thought I would find my ancestors in England, but Germany is running > a close second! > > regards, > susan spencer > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 7:42 AM > Subject: [IP] Possible Kepper Palatine link > > > > Hi Rene in the Netherlands > > > > As Ken has said, Keppel is mentioned by Hank Jones (Carlow) and I note > that > > Patrick O'Connor also refers to that same man, specifically Charles (p. > 168), > > the last of the line in Ireland (it seems) in the middle of the XIX > century. > > I see no earthly reason why you shouldn't pursue the notion of Palatine > > origins: Kepper is only a very mild corruption compared with the > > transformations other IP surnames have undergone - including my own, but > even > > more so the Czeszky, Schweitzer and Bauer constituents, for example .... > > > > I had a quick scan in the Familysearch facility and was offered nearly 100 > > Kepper options, many (indeed, most) in the Rheinland-Pfalz region and some > 70 > > would have yielded Ancestral Files (i.e. b/m/d data, plus localities and > > children). Maybe they were amongst the ones who went back to Germany from > > Ireland. > > > > Another quick useful reference point is the www.teldir.com site (worldwide > > phonebook search facility), provided it's not abused. In just a few > minutes I > > found my own family name still represented in abundance in the Palatine > key > > towns: 70 in Mannheim, 40 in Heidelberg, 37 in Worms (even a > Pipinstrasse...) > > and 12 in Speyer. > > There is still one in the ancestral home village too. You might, for > > instance, try your original Enkirch area in the German Telefonbuch. > > > > I am intrigued by your own sources. What is the URL for the Irish Family > > Records? > > Any others, please? > > > > Don't give up the search > > > > Bye bye > > > > Terry Pyper (Lincolnshire UK) > > > > Scouring the world for GGF Richard Piper & Catherine Ball of Adare > (genesis > > ca. 1834-40 - nine children, seven survivors. Heigh-ho). > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > List Administrator: > > Susan Laursen Willig > > [email protected] > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >

I just learned of this site documenting the area near Berne, Albany county, NY. Have a look. It has information about Palatine families in New York and links to other Palatine information. Click on Area History and Links buttons. The web site address is: WWW.bernehistory.org Jane

Dear Susan and List The Ordnance Survey of Ireland is done every few years but the set of maps I am talking about were done in the 1830s. The National Archives of Canada has a complete set and is licensed to make copies. I don't know the scale off hand. The NAC could tell you. It is very detailed - right down to each field, path and house. If you ask for a map which includes a particular townland, they look it up in their index and make the copy or copies. I have an account at the NAC so the charges are taken from that. I'm not sure how they would handle a single request. It is not apparent from their otherwise good web site that they offer this service. You just have to know. You can make your requests my mail or email. Within Canada, they will call you if they need help locating the area you want. A very nice French Canadian man has called me in Calgary and we struggle together with those Celtic or mangledCeltic place names. The National Archives of Canada web site: http://www.archives.ca/02/02020202_e.html Lois Sparling Calgary, Alberta susan patt spencer wrote: > > Tell me more about the ordnance survey maps at $2.00 from Canada?? > > thanks > susan PATT spencer > salem, oregon USA

This is the exclamation that I saved at the time then I asked the list. I didn't know what they were at the time either. They contain [I sent 12 emails to the list with Palatine names] Palatine Families in Ireland, the 13th day of July, 1715 A List of the Palatine Families in Ireland at a Muster taken for six months ending the 29th of September, 1720. Religious Census of 1766 Freeholders living at Courtmatrass, County Limerick Freeholders living at Ballyngarane, County Limerick Freeholders-Ballyrigin, Ballyorgan, Kilfinane, Glanasheen, Freeholders-Killiheen, Pallice, Ballycahane ********* Here is a snippet from the Web page for the Public Record Office of Northern Ireland at : http://proni.nics.gov.uk/records/pedigree.htm Also of interest are the Groves Manuscripts which contain a great deal of valuable material for genealogists. Tenison Groves, a Belfast genealogist and record searcher for more than 40 years, compiled a collection of many thousands of transcripts, abstracts, notes, etc., which he made from records in the Public Record Office in Dublin before its partial destruction in 1922. That part of the collection which related to Northern Ireland was purchased by PRONI in 1939. The items, numbering over 9,000 includes seventeenth century muster rolls, militia lists and family pedigrees and is an invaluable source for genealogists. The genealogical material in the Groves Collection has been arranged roughly by surname starting with the same letter. The arrangement under each letter is not strictly alphabetical and material on one name can appear in several volumes. ***from Kent Sparling Linda Longhurst wrote: > > Hi Barb,Exactly what are the Tennyson Grove Papers? > Linda Longhurst > [email protected] >

I hope you will not mind that I have added the Teskey website to the list Ken McDonald Please do a copy/paste and add your resources to the list. Then re-post it for all of us and we'll try to keep it updated that way. If there's a mistake, please let me know or just correct it in your next post. THANK YOU, Everybody!! Susan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current List of Resources: 1. *Palatine Families of Ireland*, by Hank Jones. Published by Picton Press of Camden, ME, 1990 (Susan Willig, Carole Ruckle Richardson) 2. *To Their Heirs Forever*, by Eula C. Lapp. Published by Mika Pub. Co. of Belleville, Ontario, 1977. (Susan Willig, Carole Ruckle Richardson) 3. IRISH RECORDS James G. Ryan basically the civil parish vs. religious parish correlation...lookups available (Susan Patt Spencer) 4. THE SURNAMES OF IRELAND MacLysaght shows origins of names..lookups available (Susan Patt Spencer) 5. STATE CENSUS RECORDS (USA) Ann S. Lainhart give info about what's contained in the state census returns and when they were taken for each state...lookups available (Susan Patt Spencer) 6. "People Make Places" Patrick J O'Connor, by ireacht na Mumhan Books 1989 (Chris LeGear, Carole Ruckle Richardson) 7. "The Irish Palatines of Ontario" Carolyn A Heald, available as part of "Canadian Papers in Rural History" by Langdale Press, Gananoque, Ontario (Chris LeGear) 8. "The Irish Palatines" Rev. Dudley L Cooney. 1999 Deutsch Irischer Freundeskreis but available from the Palatine Heritage Centre, Rathkeale. (Chris LeGear) 9. 1881 Great Britain Census available to me and I'm willing to do look-ups. (Chris LeGear and Terry Pyper) 10. ) "A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland" by Brian Mitchell,(1986, Baltimore, 123pp), with maps and listings of provinces, counties, baronies, Poor Law Unions (PLU), civil parishes, dioceses and probate districts. For townlands, I refer to a lovely Website posted by Ed Finn at: http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresch. (Terry Pyper) 11. Cassell's Gazetteer of 1899 ('A complete topographical dictionary of the United Kingdom' , which - at that time, of course, included Ireland). Nothing more than photocopied pages of descriptions of localities, with illustrations and maps, but interesting. (Terry Pyper) 12. "Irish Family Names" by Kelly (Lois Sparling: [email protected] ) 13. "Over the Hill and Far Away: Tracing the Sparlings" compiled by Bryant. (Lois Sparling: [email protected] ) 14. several 19c Ordnance Survey Maps, including Ryninch Upper townland in north Tipperary near Killaloe. (Lois Sparling: [email protected] ) 15. The Irish Palatine Association's website www.erin.ie/ipa is a useful source. Whilst it's not yet as friendly as it should be, it does contain some useful information. It has a unique record of pupils who enrolled at Rathkeale No 2 School between 1873 and 1910, soon to be joined by a record of pupils at the No 3 School. (Submitted by Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] ) 16. "The Smeltzers of Kilcooly", R. M. Smeltzer (Carole Ruckle Richardson Baltimore, MD [email protected] ) 17.. "The Loyalists of Ontario", Reid (Carole Ruckle Richardson Baltimore, MD [email protected] ) 18.. "Early Palatine Emigration", Knittle (Carole Ruckle Richardson Baltimore, MD [email protected] ) 19.. Teskey family website www.teskey.org - Family Tree - Teskey Family Tree - Surnames. This contains hundreds of spouses and descendants with other Palatine surnames, and shows how they are related through the Teskey line.

Hi, Everybody... There have been some major changes at Roots Web in the year since the buyout by MyFamily.com. Recently they have done away with what we knew as the GenConnect boards. They replaced them with "Message Boards", which are a different animal altogether. While I was trying to decipher all of that, it came to my attention that our IP boards had been lost among the cracks. Yep, gone... Now then, I've been assured that the data still exists.. it's just that they don't know exactly where it is at the moment. <bg> That's the update on that score... Will let you know if and when all our IP data turns up. And thanks to Barb Milburn for all her great additions to our resource list. (Welcome back, Barb!!!) Thanks, Ken, for adding your Teskey site. With this updated list, please not that web sites are in a second section at the bottom. We're collecting a great resource list! Anyone else? Susan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ 1. *Palatine Families of Ireland*, by Hank Jones. Published by Picton Press of Camden, ME, 1990 (Susan Willig, Carole Ruckle Richardson) 2. *To Their Heirs Forever*, by Eula C. Lapp. Published by Mika Pub. Co. of Belleville, Ontario, 1977. (Barb Milburn, Susan Willig, Carole Ruckle Richardson) 3. IRISH RECORDS James G. Ryan basically the civil parish vs. religious parish correlation...lookups available (Susan Patt Spencer) 4. THE SURNAMES OF IRELAND MacLysaght shows origins of names..lookups available (Susan Patt Spencer) 5. STATE CENSUS RECORDS (USA) Ann S. Lainhart give infor about whats contained in the state census returns and when they were taken for each state...lookups available (Susan Patt Spencer) 6. "People Make Places" Patrick J O'Connor, by ireacht na Mumhan Books 1989 (Chris LeGear, Carole Ruckle Richardson, Barb Milburn) 7. "The Irish Palatines of Ontario" Carolyn A Heald, available as part of "Canadian Papers in Rural History" by Langdale Press, Gananoque, Ontario (Chris LeGear) 8. "The Irish Palatines" Rev. Dudley L Cooney. 1999 Deutsch Irischer Freundeskreis but available from the Palatine Heritage Centre, Rathkeale. (Chris LeGear) 9. 1881 Great Britain Census (Chris LeGear, Terry Pyper, Barb Milburn) 10. ) "A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland" by Brian Mitchell,(1986, Baltimore, 123pp), with maps and listings of provinces, counties, baronies, Poor Law Unions (PLU), civil parishes, dioceses and probate districts. For townlands, I refer to a lovely Website posted by Ed Finn at: http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresch. (Terry Pyper) 11. Cassell's Gazeteer of 1899 ('A complete topographical dictionary of the United Kingdom' , which - at that time, of course, included Ireland). Nothing more than photocopied pages of descriptions of localities, with illustrations and maps, but interesting. (Terry Pyper) 12. "Irish Family Names" by Kelly (Lois Sparling: [email protected] ) 13. "Over the Hill and Far Away: Tracing the Sparlings" compiled by Bryant. (Lois Sparling: [email protected] ) 14. several 19c Ordnance Survey Maps, including Ryninch Upper townland in north Tipperary near Killaloe. (Lois Sparling: [email protected] ) 15. "The Smeltzers of Kilcooly", R. M. Smeltzer (Carole Ruckle Richardson Baltimore, MD [email protected] ) 16.. "The Loyalists of Ontario", Reid (Carole Ruckle Richardson Baltimore, MD [email protected] ) 17.. "Early Palatine Emigration", Knittle (Carole Ruckle Richardson Baltimore, MD [email protected] ) 18. *The Romance of the Palatine Millers- a Story of the United Empire Loyalists* by Rev Bowman Tucker 1929 (Barb Milburn, Susan Willig) 19. *Descendants of John Miller & Mary Ann St John of Brock Township* by Don Blakely & Jean Perry, 1999 (Barb Milburn) 20. *Tennison Grove Papers *, (Barb Milburn, Susan Willig) 21. *Family tree Makers Family Archives, Genealogical Records: The Ontario register, 1780s-1870s CD # 204 from FHL*, (Barb Milburn) 21. BMDs from Rathkeale, Adare, Nantinan including some cemetery recordings (Barb Milburn) 22. Vital Records index-British Isles CD from FHL (Barb Milburn) 23. Vital Records index - North America CD from FHL (Barb Milburn) WEB SITES: 1. Teskey family website www.teskey.org - Family Tree - Teskey Family Tree - Surnames. This contains hundreds of spouses and descendants with other Palatine surnames, and shows how they are related through the Teskey line. 2. . The Irish Palatine Association's website www.erin.ie/ipa is a useful source. Whilst it's not yet as friendly as it should be, it does contain some useful information. It has a unique record of pupils who enrolled at Rathkeale No 2 School between 1873 and 1910, soon to be joined by a record of pupils at the No 3 School. (Submitted by Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] )

I have the following books and sources and am willing to do uplooks... To Their Heirs Forever, by Eula C. Lapp. Published by Mika Pub. Co. of Belleville, Ontario, 1977. The Romance of the Palatine Millers- a Story of the United Empire Loyalists by Rev Bowman Tucker 1929 People Make Places by Patrick J O'Connor 1996 Descendants of John Miller & Mary Ann St John of Brock Township by Don Blakely & Jean Perry, 1999 Also Tennison Grove Papers 1881 British Census and National Index --England, Scotland ,Wales, Channel Islands, Isle of Man CD from FHL Vital Records index-British Isles CD from FHL Vital Records Index --North America CD from FHL Family tree Makers Family Archives, Genealogical Records: The Ontario register, 1780s-1870s CD # 204 from FHL BMDs from Rathkeale, Adare, Nantinan including some cemetery recordings great idea Susan..... Barb Milburn Ontario Canada

Tell me more about the ordnance survey maps at $2.00 from Canada?? thanks susan PATT spencer salem, oregon USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "SPARLING LOIS" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 8:14 PM Subject: [IP] IP resources > Dear List > > All I have at home are: > > 1. "Irish Family Names" by Kelly > > 2. "Over the Hill and Far Away: Tracing the Sparlings" compiled by > Bryant. > > 3. several 19c Ordnance Survey Maps, including Ryninch Upper townland > in north Tipperary near Killaloe. > > Does everyone realize that they can get copies of Irish Ordnance Survey > Maps from the National Archives of Canada for CAN$2.00 each? One of the > best deals in genealogy. > > Lois Sparling > Calgary, Alberta > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Two more IP GenConnect Boards. Please post your info! > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineObits > http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Special/IRL-PalatineWill > > >

Thanks, Ken, Lois and Carole! Your additions are so welcome. It's terrific to see new and different resources listed. Jane, thanks for posting about the web site, too. Carole, and Lois, are you willing to do look-ups? (I, for one, am curious about a couple of those books! <g>) Okay, here's the current list. This is wonderful!!! Again, please do a copy/paste and add your resources to the list. Then re-post it for all of us and we'll try to keep it updated that way. If there's a mistake, please let me know or just correct it in your next post. THANK YOU, Everybody!! Susan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Current List of Resources: 1. *Palatine Families of Ireland*, by Hank Jones. Published by Picton Press of Camden, ME, 1990 (Susan Willig, Carole Ruckle Richardson) 2. *To Their Heirs Forever*, by Eula C. Lapp. Published by Mika Pub. Co. of Belleville, Ontario, 1977. (Susan Willig, Carole Ruckle Richardson) 3. IRISH RECORDS James G. Ryan basically the civil parish vs. religious parish correlation...lookups available (Susan Patt Spencer) 4. THE SURNAMES OF IRELAND MacLysaght shows origins of names..lookups available (Susan Patt Spencer) 5. STATE CENSUS RECORDS (USA) Ann S. Lainhart give infor about whats contained in the state census returns and when they were taken for each state...lookups available (Susan Patt Spencer) 6. "People Make Places" Patrick J O'Connor, by ireacht na Mumhan Books 1989 (Chris LeGear, Carole Ruckle Richardson) 7. "The Irish Palatines of Ontario" Carolyn A Heald, available as part of "Canadian Papers in Rural History" by Langdale Press, Gananoque, Ontario (Chris LeGear) 8. "The Irish Palatines" Rev. Dudley L Cooney. 1999 Deutsch Irischer Freundeskreis but available from the Palatine Heritage Centre, Rathkeale. (Chris LeGear) 9. 1881 Great Britain Census available to me and I'm willing to do look-ups. (Chris LeGear and Terry Pyper) 10. ) "A New Genealogical Atlas of Ireland" by Brian Mitchell,(1986, Baltimore, 123pp), with maps and listings of provinces, counties, baronies, Poor Law Unions (PLU), civil parishes, dioceses and probate districts. For townlands, I refer to a lovely Website posted by Ed Finn at: http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresch. (Terry Pyper) 11. Cassell's Gazeteer of 1899 ('A complete topographical dictionary of the United Kingdom' , which - at that time, of course, included Ireland). Nothing more than photocopied pages of descriptions of localities, with illustrations and maps, but interesting. (Terry Pyper) 12. "Irish Family Names" by Kelly (Lois Sparling: [email protected] ) 13. "Over the Hill and Far Away: Tracing the Sparlings" compiled by Bryant. (Lois Sparling: [email protected] ) 14. several 19c Ordnance Survey Maps, including Ryninch Upper townland in north Tipperary near Killaloe. (Lois Sparling: [email protected] ) 15. The Irish Palatine Association's website www.erin.ie/ipa is a useful source. Whilst it's not yet as friendly as it should be, it does contain some useful information. It has a unique record of pupils who enrolled at Rathkeale No 2 School between 1873 and 1910, soon to be joined by a record of pupils at the No 3 School. (Submitted by Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] ) 16. "The Smeltzers of Kilcooly", R. M. Smeltzer (Carole Ruckle Richardson Baltimore, MD [email protected] ) 17.. "The Loyalists of Ontario", Reid (Carole Ruckle Richardson Baltimore, MD [email protected] ) 18.. "Early Palatine Emigration", Knittle (Carole Ruckle Richardson Baltimore, MD [email protected] )

The Irish Palatine Association's website www.erin.ie/ipa is a useful source. Whilst it's not yet as friendly as it should be, it does contain some useful information. It has a unique record of pupils who enrolled at Rathkeale No 2 School between 1873 and 1910, soon to be joined by a record of pupils at the No 3 School. The site also includes a membership application form. You can get to this from the Membership page. The token membership fees on the form are correct. You can use this form also to order Dudley Cooney's excellent "The Irish Palatines" and Patrick O'Connor's equally readable, but more in depth, "People Make Places". The Teskey family website www.teskey.org contains a substantial family tree - check in the surname index for many links with other Irish Palatine families. Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] My mission is: o To record the history of all people, past and present, with the name Teskey or who are descended from a Teskey family. o To share this history with all living members of those families, and to make the history available for future generations. o To encourage contact between members of the Teskey families. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

Dear List All I have at home are: 1. "Irish Family Names" by Kelly 2. "Over the Hill and Far Away: Tracing the Sparlings" compiled by Bryant. 3. several 19c Ordnance Survey Maps, including Ryninch Upper townland in north Tipperary near Killaloe. Does everyone realize that they can get copies of Irish Ordnance Survey Maps from the National Archives of Canada for CAN$2.00 each? One of the best deals in genealogy. Lois Sparling Calgary, Alberta