Hi Before subjecting you to another round of Groves Transcripts, it occurred to me that I might post you my own records copied from the Rathkeale registers in 1979 (tea and biscuits provided by the Rector). This data is for births, marriages and deaths within and around the Piper family of Killeheen and environs. The document is a bit long (about three pages) and laid out in four columns, so if you're not interested you can ignore it: the subject will be flagged as 'A skirl of PIPERS'. The server will probably make a dog's breakfast of my steadfast layout, but if you are keen, it could soon be re-aligned. (Try marking it and reducing to 10-point font and doing 50-line page breaks). That's all (as my Captain used to say after an ominous briefing) Terry (Lincs UK)

Hi, I'm a new subscriber though I've corresponded individually with some of you before. Carole Richardson forwarded to me the Tenison Grove documents that Terry has been transcribing and I was hooked! I'm descended from Casper Ruckle through Sebastian, then Daniel, then George of Adare, then his son Michael who immigrated to America about 1820. Michael joined his uncle, David Ruckle, in Allegany Co. (now Garrett Co.) Maryland. His brother Henry and family came in 1822 bringing Michael's three motherless sons with them. Michael then married Kesiah Friend and they produced my great great grandfather, David, plus three daughters. The family moved on to Muskingum Co. Ohio in 1830 where they lived near Michael's brother, Rev. Thomas R. Ruckle, and their sister, the thrice married Elizabeth Ruckle Greene, Smith, Shrire. Another sister, Catherine, immigrated in 1848 with her husband, Christopher Ruckle (her first cousin), and their eleven children. Yet another sister, Ann's, husband and children in Michigan in 1860 (I don't know if they immigrated before or after Ann's death). David Ruckle Married Margaret Roush and moved first to Iowa and then to Michigan. They separated in 1881 and I've been unable to trace David's movements after that. Their son, Daniel, lived for most of his life in Grand Rapids where he worked as a machinist for the rail road. His oldest son, Edward Henderson Ruckle (my grandfather), was quite inventive. Some of the patents on the early electric stove are in his name. He and his wife Mabel planned from the very beginning to have twelve children -- and did. My father, Paul, was number nine. In 1915 Edward and Mabel relocated to California where they raised chickens and later owned a Dahlia farm. Nine of their twelve children are still living and have progeny spread all over the United States. I would be happy to have my name added to the resource list to share look-up chores. I have copies of: "Palatine Families of Ireland", by Hank Jones "To Their Heirs Forever, by Eula C. Lapp "People Make Places", by Patrick J. O'Connor "Early Palatine Emigration", by Walter Knittle I'm pleased to make the acquaintance of of you all via the internet..........Karen Opgenorth

Chris, I to received email from a Rick Longhurst and my computer also alerted me that a virus was detected. It was the first for me and I was really upset since I am new a this I was really worried. I wrote to my cousin Carolyn Shupe and she calmed me down. Jean >From: "Christopher Le Gear" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [IP] VIRUS WARNING!!!!! >Date: Fri, 27 Jul 2001 06:13:23 +0000 > > >AN EMAIL, WITH ATTACHMENT, HAS JUST APPEARED ON THE LIST FROM "RICK >LONGHURST". > >THE ATTACHMENT CONTAINS A VIRUS. DO NOT OPEN IT. > >Chris Le Gear > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >You can’t plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

AN EMAIL, WITH ATTACHMENT, HAS JUST APPEARED ON THE LIST FROM "RICK LONGHURST". THE ATTACHMENT CONTAINS A VIRUS. DO NOT OPEN IT. Chris Le Gear _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

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Oh, yea! Finally concrete proof that we are UE for sure. Now! How can we find out the name of Stephen's wife. Maybe if I searched through the Early Ontario Records. I have taken some of their baptismal verbatim, so I am assuming that the wife is correct. Thank you so much. Marilyn Willette ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2001 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Detlor/Dedler > Marilyn, > > The "Loyalists in Ontario", by William D. Reid has 4 Detlor families listed... > > page 87: > > DETLOR, John of Fredericksburgh, Kingston and York, K. R. R. N. Y. married > Jerusha, dau of Titus Simons, U. E. > Catharine Hill, m. William M. Roblin of Adolphustown, 21 March 1844. > O.C. 19 April 1820 > George Hill of Fredericksburgh, m. Maria Roblin; d. Napanee 31 Dec. 1883 > aet. 89 years, 5 mos. O. C. 6 March 1822 > Elizabeth, m. Joseph Lockwood of Brighton. O. C. 2 Feb. 1837. > John McGill of Richmond, m. Hetty Lazier. O. C. 10 March 1834. > Ann, m. John Chamberlain of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 5 March 1829. > > DETLOR, Peter of Fredericksburgh. > George of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 27 August 1833 > Stephen L. of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 27 August 1833. > > DETLOR, Samuel of Fredericksburgh, son of Valentine Detlor. > Catherine Hill. O. C. 27 Aug. 1840 > Elizabeth. O. C. 3 April 1834 > John Valentine of Richmond. O. C. 3 April 1834 > Samuel of Fredericksburg. O. C. 3 April 1834 > Thomas Empey of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 29 June 1843 > George. > Ann. > > DETLOR, Valentine of Fredericksburgh. See Haidimand Papers B214: 47. > Ann. O. C. 8 July 1797 > Elizabeth, m. Darius Dunham of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 8 July 1797 > Hannah, m. Elias Dulmage of Edwardsburgh. O. C. 8 July 1797 > Samuel of Fredericksburgh. Land Board Certificate, 13/1 Camden. > George of Fredericksburgh. > John of Kingston and York, U. E. > > O. C. stands for Orders In Council and were the land grants given to the > children of the Loyalists. > > I hope there is something listed above that adds to your timeline.......Carole > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. >

Thank you to Terry for his great efforts in transcribing the TG details for us on the list. To be honest I've not taken a great deal of detailed time to study them but I've been a little intrigued by some of the side correspondence surrounding these latest extracts. Whilst I'm generally in agreement with Terry as far as the initial altruistic motives of those landlords such as Southwell and Oliver are concerned I also, somewhat cynically, support Walter's supposition that there was a great deal of wheeling and dealing going on and the IPs were probably, to some degree, a source of wealth for their landlords. The latest accounts Terry posted, 1714-15, show for instance the cost of purchase of hemp and flax seed. Am I right in supposing that their inclusion in the Accounts means that Southwell was claiming the cost of this back from the Crown? These accounts are for a period some 5/6 years after our ancestors arrived and yet they were still being supplied with seed by their landlord? I don't suppose that he was giving it away!! We know that Southwell built a mill for bleaching and finishing the finished woven product of his tenants. Am I right in assuming that the landlord supplied the seed, the tenant grew and wove the product. It then passed back to the landlord for bleaching and onward sale. I wonder what our ancestors' share of this little enterprise was and, additionally, how much was being claimed back from the crown as well as being paid for by the tenants? The phrases "sweatshops" and "company stores" spring to mind!! Chris Le Gear _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Chris, in particular: the point is good. But to start with, I don't think the tenants bought new seed every year. One of the innovations introduced by the Palatines was their skill in re-cycling - anything and everything, it seems. I recall reading somewhere that they were able (with a little faith too, I suppose) to extend the useful life of seed from one season to the next. I'm far from truly knowledgeable about these things, but I suggest the basically thrifty nature of our settlers meant that they were able to produce the rope, canvas and clothing fabrics almost ad inf., and then claim due payment (or at least a share in the market yield) from the Master. Or not? I've occasionally wondered how it could be that they received parcels of land, plus 'allowances', yet paid rent (buildings and land "gales") to their landlord - besides all the usual outgoings from the domestic budget (Wal-mart, dentist, pharmacy, postman, solicitors for wills, etc). None of it has really made much sense to me. And then, to cap it all, they were able to pass on the lease (or the actual property) to their kin, who themselves were able to sell it on (as my father did with our patch in Killiheen). I'm probably just very simple, but it would be good to hear a straightforward explanation. For instance, Di mentioned the debt that was repaid to her ancestor. But, for goodness' sake, why was that included in the books sent for audit to the Crown? All the same, I still don't believe Thomas was on the make at the expense of his tenants. Ripping off the Treasury is fine in my books. But not the boys in the crew yard. A baffled Terry

Marilyn, The "Loyalists in Ontario", by William D. Reid has 4 Detlor families listed... page 87: DETLOR, John of Fredericksburgh, Kingston and York, K. R. R. N. Y. married Jerusha, dau of Titus Simons, U. E. Catharine Hill, m. William M. Roblin of Adolphustown, 21 March 1844. O.C. 19 April 1820 George Hill of Fredericksburgh, m. Maria Roblin; d. Napanee 31 Dec. 1883 aet. 89 years, 5 mos. O. C. 6 March 1822 Elizabeth, m. Joseph Lockwood of Brighton. O. C. 2 Feb. 1837. John McGill of Richmond, m. Hetty Lazier. O. C. 10 March 1834. Ann, m. John Chamberlain of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 5 March 1829. DETLOR, Peter of Fredericksburgh. George of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 27 August 1833 Stephen L. of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 27 August 1833. DETLOR, Samuel of Fredericksburgh, son of Valentine Detlor. Catherine Hill. O. C. 27 Aug. 1840 Elizabeth. O. C. 3 April 1834 John Valentine of Richmond. O. C. 3 April 1834 Samuel of Fredericksburg. O. C. 3 April 1834 Thomas Empey of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 29 June 1843 George. Ann. DETLOR, Valentine of Fredericksburgh. See Haidimand Papers B214: 47. Ann. O. C. 8 July 1797 Elizabeth, m. Darius Dunham of Fredericksburgh. O. C. 8 July 1797 Hannah, m. Elias Dulmage of Edwardsburgh. O. C. 8 July 1797 Samuel of Fredericksburgh. Land Board Certificate, 13/1 Camden. George of Fredericksburgh. John of Kingston and York, U. E. O. C. stands for Orders In Council and were the land grants given to the children of the Loyalists. I hope there is something listed above that adds to your timeline.......Carole

Many thanks indeed to Terry for the documents transcribed below, for they include "£3 18 0" arrears paid to my ancestor Abraham Bergmann. It's one of only a few extant references to him. Although I already knew about this entry (it is included in Hank Jones), it's very interesting for me to see it in the context of the other items in these accounts - especially as he is the only Palatine to whom arrears were apparently paid at the time. (If only we had the faintest idea of WHY he was paid them - or WHERE he was living - ie Courtmatrix/Ballingrane/Killeheen? No-one knows ! We just have to be grateful for what we've got!) Anyway Terry, your transcriptions have helped at least one lister here, and I'm very grateful indeed. Anyone else learned anything new? Regards Di ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 21, 2001 12:48 AM Subject: [IP] GROVES TRANSCRIPTS #G > ***START HERE*** > > Entry Book of King's & Queen's letters & of Reports &c > Vol 21 for 1715-1716 1E-2-13 in Rc Off Dublin page 163 > > The Rt Hon Sir Tho Southwell's Account in relation to the Palatines settled > on his estate, for & until 25 March 1714 > > Sir Tho Southwell Cr 1 £ s d > 1 March 26 One month's subsistence of Palatines 5 7 0 > 2 April 16 Mr Daniel Hintz, for a horse, > April 21 and earnest money to carriers 30 0 0 > 4 April 21 Mr Daniel Hintz, for 95 cars to carry > Palatines to the country 95 0 0 > 3 April 18 Palatines subsistence 15 7 0 > 5 Nov 13 Mr Smales, Cash paid at several times 173 11 2 > 6 May 15 Palatine's subsistence, including > £5 8s to a poor woman 20 15 0 > 7 June 12 Palatines' subsistence for one month 15 10 0 > 8 July 10 do 5 10 0 > 9 July 12 Mr Daniel Hintz, by Mr Robinson 50 0 0 > 10 Aug 7 Mr Daniel Hintz in 3 payments 150 0 0 > 11 Aug 7 Palatines' subsistence 1 month 15 10 0 > 12 Sep 4 do 15 19 0 > 13 Sep 26 Mr Daniel Hintz by Mr Robinson 26 18 0 > 15 Oct 11 do 50 0 0 > 14 Oct 2 Palatines subsistence 1 month 15 19 0 > 16 Oct 30 do 15 19 0 > 17 Nov 5 85 families of Palatines by Mr Robinson 87 16 0 > 18 Nov 16 Mr Daniel Hintz by Mr Elliott > For Paper & Printing the Palatines Leases 5 0 0 > A man & horse with said Leases to Rathkel 1 10 0 > 19 Jan 5 Paid to the Palatines by Mr Samuel > Robinson 87 16 0 > 20 Nov 28 Mr John Shaw, for the interest of his > Lease of Ballingarane 200 0 0 > 21 Feb 12 Palatines, to buy stock 183 15 0 > 23 March 5 6 Palatine families for Stock money 24 3 0 > 32 Aug 6 Stock money for 4 families 7 0 0 > 22 Mar 5 Palatines, 8 weeks subsistence 175 12 0 > 28 Apr 9 Palatines 2 weeks subsistence 85 > families 43 18 0 > 25 Apr 17 Abraham Berghman his arrear 3 18 0 > A messenger to Cork to look for Hempseed 0 12 0 > 26 Mar 26 6 Hogsheads of Flaxseed of Mr Verdon 24 0 0 > 27 May 8 Carriage of same to Limerick > 23 cwt 2 qrs 11 lbs at 5s 1d per cwt 5 1710½ > Carriage of same to Rathkeale 0 19 0 > 28 May 8 8 Hogsheads of Hempseed from Mr > Verdon 18 6 6 > 29 May 8 Carriage of same to Rathkeale > 25 cwt 2 qrs 14 lbs at 5s per cwt 6 8 1½ > Town Custom for Hempseed & Flaxseed 0 6 6 > 30 May 20 Palatines a fortnight's subsistence 43 18 0 > 31 July 29 do 43 18 0 > in 1713 Dr Egan, the Physician, in part 4 12 0 > the Apothecary, in part of his Bill 5 0 0 > Charges in sending for thier money to Limerick > Loss in Paying it by driblets, > Postage of Letters and > Defending some of them from Lawsuits 10 0 0 > > The Rt Hon Sir Tho Southwell's Account in relation to the Palatines settled > on his estate, for & until 25 March 1714 > > Sir Tho Southwell Cr 2 £ s d > > 33 July 22 Cash lent to the Palatines 46 3 3 > 34 Aug 12 Cash lent to the Palatines by Mr Sam > Robinson 43 18 0 > 35 Oct 28 Cash paid 15 families that have no land 30 0 0 > 36 Nov 16 Palatines of Ballingarrane 5 19 2 > 38 Nov 17 Palatines of Ballingarrane to pay their debts 33 12 8 > 37 Nov 17 Palatines of Killiheen 48 1 9 > 41 Feb 29 Cash lent Palatines of Courtmatress and > Killiheen to build their houses 21 16. 11½ > 1712/13 > 39 Feb 16 Rent due at Michaelmass 1712 from > Palatines of Killiheen 300 0 0 > 1713 > 40 Dec 25 Rent & Cash due by the Palatines of > Courtmatress 30 families 153 19. 11½ > > May 1st 1711 The 30 families entered on > 200 acres of Courtmatrass & 31 acres of > Castlematrass at 6s p.acre p.ann > In all 240 acres > Michaelmass 1711 These 3 gales are > March 1712 discounted for in > Michaelmass 1712 Voucher no 40 > Michaelmass 1713 One years rent then due of said > 30 families 72 0 0 > March 1714 1/2 years rent then due of said > 30 families 36 0 0 > > April 1712 The 25 families entered on the > lands of Killiheen containing 202 acres > at 6s p.acre p.annum > Michaelmass 1712 this gales rent discounted > For in Voucher No 39 > Michaelmass 1713 One years rent then due of said > 25 families 60 12 0 > March 1714 1/2 years rent then due of said > 25 families 30 6 0 > Michaelmass 1713 By one years rent then due out of > Ballingarrane containing 423 acres > set to 50 families at 6s p.acre 126 18 0 > March 1714 1/2 years rent then due out of > Ballingarrane 68 9 0 > > Total 2536 7 11 > > ***END HERE*** > > [Right. In principle, accounts are extremely boring. But if you keep these > figures to hand, you will see how they are challenged at the highest level in > a document that can be found in the IRL-Palatine Index (7 Dec. 2000). If you > can't get it that way, I will post it again. In any case, the details here do > give some flavour of life in the Palatine encampments in the Rathkeale > constituency. All part of the service...nothing if not thorough.] > > Notes: > > A 'gale' is rent due on land. A 'cwt' is a hundredweight - about a waist-high > sackful. > A 'hogshead' is a large cask that could hold the equivalent of about 50 > gallons. > If you hadn't guessed, the use of 'do.' means ditto (the same). Likewise, > '&c' means etcetera. > A pound sterling (£) was 20 shillings (about 4 dollars, once upon a time). > 1/2 d. is a halfpenny. 1/4d. is a farthing (quarter of a penny). > > Bye bye > > Terry > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You cant plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. > >

Carole I'd be grateful of you would check your Bittinger book for any reference to LEGEAR/LEGEER ir variant spelling. Thanks Chris >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [IP] Maryland IP's >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:40:48 EDT > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Chris, There are two Legeer names listed in the index. page 379: Mary Alice Legeer "A10.7G-Harry Lee Brenneman (born Mar. 21, 1927). Drywall contractor; carpentry foreman, Married Mary Alice Legeer (born Jan. 6, 1934), daughter of John J. Legeer and Lucretia M. Resh. Worked for Safeway Stores, Inc. Prince Georges Co., Md. page 681: Michael Legeer Children of Henry "Hen" Stark and his first wife Lydia Custer. (1) John Wesley Henry "John Paddy" Stark (born Jan. 22, 1855). Married Anna Elizabeth "Annie Bittinger, daughter of William H. "Bill" Bittinger and Agnes Ruckle, (see page 290, J5). (2) James Germanus "Jim" Stark (Dec. 1857-Aug. 16, 1931). Married Martha (or Matha) Hetrick (1859-1943). (3) Lydia Stark (May 3, 1860-Mar. 21, 1915). Married Michael Legeer (1859-Mar. 31, 1932). I hope this helps...Carole

Hi Judy, The Ransburys come from Limerick, Ireland, but I have not been able to locate anything on them there as of yet. I have not come across Hansbury in my research or Hansbough. I have Nathaniel Ransbury on the 1820 Whitehall, NY census and his naturalization paper says he came 1817 so I know that he did not drop from the sky (G) Sorry, I could not give you more. I know it is frustrating when you cannot pick up the trail. Do you know the time span of arrival to US? Anne

Hello, Anne: This is a really long shot. I've been most unsuccessfully trying to locate any family named HANSBURGH/HANSBORO[UGH]. This was my gggrandmother's maiden name, and it has been spelled in all three ways. I have assumed that her Irish accent may account for the different spellings; I can easily imagine it might have been something like HANSBURY. So I'm just wondering if you have come across any similar obstacles in your research of your RANSBURYs. Or even -- could the Lord be so good? -- some HANSB---s in among your name!! As I said -- a long shot. But I am beginning to despair of ever finding this name anywhere in Ireland. Cheers, Judy ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Maryland IP's Hi Carole, By any chance are there any RANSBURYs listed in your book. Thank you, Anne ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers

Hi, List... my father often spoke about his grandfather telling the story of "Old Grandma Detlor" - now we are talking mid-1850s - talking some strange dialect and smoking a pipe. He pronounced the name "Deetler" - he also said they were Pens. Deutch. Just my two cents worth - but that is how memories are preserved isn't it? ----- Original Message ----- From: "SLWillig" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2001 10:04 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Maryland IP's > > ><< Do you wonder if at that time perticully the earlier arrivals if they > >spoke German or part?>> > > From what I've read the early IPs did indeed speak German...and many lived > in close proximity to one another for the purpose of keeping their > traditions and language alive. > > > << My cousin who I told you about before that is in her 70's and her > > older sister close to 90 said that our grandmother Lydia Seibert Stark > > said she was Pennsylvania Dutch and spoke a dialect in the early 1900's > > to them when they were children.>> > > Y'all probably already know this but just in case there's somebody out > there to whom this may be news... Pennsylvania "Dutch" were German > Palatines (not IPs). The word "Dutch" was a distortion of the word > "Deutsch", which is a German word for just that, German. Early non-German > colonists heard the word "Deutsch" and thought it was "Dutch" and that's > what stuck - all these years later, too. > > Susan <stepping back out of a question that was asked of Carole! <g>) > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. >

Thanks for looking. Anne

Jean, I have wondered at times too how much of the German influence stayed with the Irish Palatine group... In the introduction of Hank Jones book, "The Palatine Families of Ireland" he says on page ix: "While keeping a very separate identity at first, gradually certain characteristics and traits of these emigrant Germans began to adapt and change due to contact with their Irish neighbors, compromises necessary for survival in a strange land, education, and just the simple passage of time. Arthur Young in his 1776 Tour of Ireland noted, "For sometime (after their settlement) they fed upon sour crout, but by degrees left it off, and took to potatoes..." That statement really may tell a larger story. In all the Palatine townlands, German was the regular language of communication until ca. 1760, whereupon, due to their schooling and interaction with their neighbors, bilingualism began to take hold; by the end of the 19th. century, no trace of any German dialect in County Limerick was to be found. As to religion, the vibrant Protestantism that the Lutheran and Reformed emigrants brought with them to Ireland was eventually channelled by many families into a robust Methodism; as intermarriages between Irish Plalatines and native Irish began to occur in the third gereration, some of the Germans joined the Anglican church and other the Catholic religion. By the fourth generation, many cultural elements of their German background had been assimilated with those of their Irish neighbors; only the manner in which they worked the land (in commonage with grazing rights and arable land rotating annually) seems to have been leftover from their Palatine heritage. However, their personal character has been observed to still be quite distinctive: honest, disciplined, frugal, hard-working, and yes - often showing the intestinal fortitude necessarey to dare to "take a risk," as did their emigrant ancestors of the first generation in Ireland who left Germany in 1709" I have noticed how the Palatines stuck together when they came to America and married among themselves...They were a pretty tightly knit group... Carole

Anne, If you mean the Biddinger book, no, I looked in the index and there are no Ransburys listed..Sorry... Carole

Carole, I have wondered something for awhile, at the time our Stark's, Ruttle/Ruckle's came to the Maryland area, have you notices that many have married other palatine people and German people also, Do you wonder if at that time perticully the earlier arrivals if they spoke German or part? My cousin who I told you about before that is in her 70's and her older sister close to 90 said that our grandmother Lydia Seibert Stark said she was Pennsylvania Dutch and spoke a dialect in the early 1900's to them when they were children. Her husband a shoemaker Richard Havener Stark was born in Ireland and had been dead 50 years and of course did not know him, but remembers Unkle Peter Stark from Garrett Co. Md. Just a thought, IP in Ireland and England do you have a knowledge of how long they spoke German or part German? >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [IP] Maryland IP's >Date: Mon, 23 Jul 2001 08:40:48 EDT > >I just thought of another book that I have that I hadn't considered a >Palatine book for some reason until I was reading the email from Jean Stark >Corwin. > >I have the book "The Bittinger, Bittner, Biddinger, and Bidinger >Families--and Their Kin---of Garrett County, Maryland, by Wayen Bittinger. >It is 836 pages of great information containing a great deal of information >on some of the Irish Palatines who migrated from Ireland.. > >My ancestors from the Ruckle/Piper line migrated to Baltimore, MD in the >1790's. There were other Ruckles that migrated to Allegany/Garrett county >in >1822. > >page 548: Ruckle Familly >"Henry Ruckle, Sr. married Catharine Stark on April 29, 1813; their >marriage >was noted in parish records at the town of Kilfinane, in county Limerick, >Ireland. Catherine (1788 or 1789--Jan. 23, 1850) was also born in >Ireland." > > >The Ruckle family came to the United States in 1822. Henry and Catharine >"Ruckel" and their four children---Mary, Agnes, Margaret, and Thomas, >boarded >the ship "Weser" at the port of Limerick, Ireland. The ship arrived at New >York City on May 9, 1822. American immigration records state that Henry >was >a farmer. Etta (Bittner) Kreger reproted that Agnes was six years old when >the family immigrated. Etta said the Agnes lost her coat during the >passage >and mauch such a fuss that the ship's captain took pity and bought her a >new >one." etc. > >There were also other Ruckle families who migrated to Allegany/Garrett >county >around the same time...Members of my direct line of Ruckles migrated in >that >area also. > >There are a lot of IP surnames listed in the book..There is a 66 page >index. > >If anyone has ancestors in this area I would be happy to look in the book >and >see if there is any information listed on them.... > >Carole > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but >they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hi Carole, By any chance are there any RANSBURYs listed in your book. Thank you, Anne