>From a Terry This list is just all GOOD news. Even when nobody speaks for ages. We all know something great's going to pop up at any time. I had R/K No 2 school. Now Susan's found a hamperful of EMPYs in Ashgrove. Then Chris gets a magical hankie. What's for tomorrow? I shall be sending more Groves gear soon. I have been keeping a low profile for a while too. Only - well, I have to creep in here when nobody's watching. You see... I got told off for spending so much time on my genea

In a message dated 8/6/2001 6:41:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > It's now packed in my suitcase and I'm off to California in a couple of > days. In case you were wondering I never told the lady my name. > > And you're giving it away???????!!! Oi vey!!

WHAT A FABULOUS STORY, Chris!!! Yep, I'm shouting, and with such excitement... that is so cool! Thank you for sharing your delightful serendipitous event with all of us. And I'm with Liz... "you're giving it AWAY???" Give 'em a toaster for heaven's sake!!! <lol> What a fantastic story...it's one I can delight over for months in the event the brick walls keep standing... After all, one of the surnames I'm fortunate enough (ahem!) to be researching is SMITH!!! Yep, a John SMITH (just to make matters worse), "The Emigrant", born in England in 1639. That should keep me busy for a good long while, don't y'all think? Terry.. I already knew about those EMPYS in Ashgrove, but wanted to share the SWITZER names and the others, too... And Chris... just one more thing... <<I told her what I was looking for and explained that I was off to the colonies in a few days for a wedding.>> What's this COLONIES stuff??? <ROFL> Get up to speed there, fella'.... we settled that little matter with y'all LONG ago... Thanks again, Chris.. you've put a smile on my face for at least the next week!!! In fact, may I have permission to share the story with another list and some friends? How inspirational! Susan

I have been trying to trace a "missing" branch of the SPARLING Family for many years, and discovered a week ago that they were passengers on the "Teutonic" from Queenstown, Cork to Ellis Island, arriving on 23rd November, 1892. The family consisted of: Henry E. - b.1857 (younger brother of my husband's g-g-grandfather) Matilda - b. 1860 Ellen (Nellie) - b. 1879 George Frederick - b. 19/5/80 Elizabeth Marion - b. 6/4/81 Isabella (Bella) - b. 18/5/82 Henry Thomas - b. 1/4/87 William John - b. 20/3/88 Catherine (Katty) - b. 21/2/89 Norah - b. Oct.1892 (was only one month old on arrival) All of the children except Ellen and Norah were baptized in our local C. of I. church in Tuamgraney Co. Clare, including three others (Emily, John and Cathleen born between 1883 and 1886 and lived 9 days, four months, and 12 days respectively as their deaths are also recorded). I would be extremely grateful to anyone who could give me any news of what happened to members of this family, or news of their descendants. I did find details in the Social Security Death Index of a George Sparling who died in Connecticut in July 1964 and whose birthdate matches that of our George Frederick. Denise Sparling

Hi, everyone... Here's a tidbit of info. about the IP immigrants to the Camden Valley of Washington Co., NY, and the Methodist Society they established there... Hope this is of value to somebody... Enjoy! Susan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Source: *History of Washington County, New York*, by Crisfield Johnson. Everts and Ensign, Publishers, Philadelphia, 1878. pp. 271, 274 "In the summer of 1769 Thomas ASHTON and his wife, emigrants from Ireland, and members of the Mr. John WESLEY's society there, landed at New York, and soon, with some other Methodist emigrants, made their way to what was then known as Cambridge patent. They settled among the hills, on the southeastern corner of 'Anaquasscoke patent', afterwards embraced in the town of Cambridge when that was organized in 1773, now within the limits of the town of White Creek. Here, in company with other emigrants, some from "the Nine Partners", and some from the eastern States, was commenced that hamlet which took the name of Ashgrove; apparently and probably given by incorporating a part of the name of ASHTON wit the wild region where he had fixed his home. "In the early part of the succeeding year (1770) Philip EMBURY, another emigrant from Ireland, and for ten years preceding a resident of the city of New York, accompanied by his family, came into the same region. He was joint proprietor with his brothers, David and Peter, and with James, George, Samuel and John WILSON, Moses COWAN, and Thomas PROCTOR, of a patent of eight thousand acres of hills and valleys of that region. He did not locate on his patent lands, but fixed his residence in the region then known as West Camden, county of Charlotte, now the southeastern corner of the town of Salem. He was a Wesleyan Methodist local preacher in Ireland; as such preacher he had organized the first Methodist society in New York, and erected there the first Methodist church edifice in America, and now he formed a class at Ashgrove of the Methodist emigrants there, and others desiring such religious fellowship, and began at once his local ministrations, as he had previously done in the city of New York. "The record of the names composing the first class is lost, but the following persons were known to have lived in that vicinity at that time, and their names appear on the oldest records now extant: Thomas ASHTON, Elizabeth ASHTON, John ARMITAGE, Ely ARMITAGE, James BARBER, Sarah BARBER, Philip EMBURY, Margaret EMBURY, Peter SWITZER, Anna M. SWITZER, Christopher SWITZER. "To these, and all who would attend EMBURY preached for three years, and then suddenly died. The services were held at the residence of Thomas ASHTON, John ARMITAGE, and others, as no church edifice was erected until 1788. From the death of EMBURY in 1773, until October, 1788, the society was destitute of preaching, having only one class and prayer meetings. In the meantime a large emigration reached this locality. Many of the Irish and German (or Palatine Irish) Methodists form Mr. WESLEY's societies settled in Ashgrove and the surrounding valleys. "In September 1788 Lemuel SMITH was appointed by the Methodist conference as the first itinerant minister to this society. He arrived early in October. The appointment was called "Cambridge". He immediately revived the society as organized by EMBURY, adding many members thereto. He enlarged the circuit until it covered the present county, with adjoining sections of Bennington and Rensselaer. "This year a church edifice was projected and commenced. It was completed early in 1789. It was built upon land donated by Thomas ASHTON for a church and burial ground, and from the uncertainty of accurate boundaries, the deed was given by William FISHER, James ASHTON, and Thomas ASHTON, their lands all converging near the church lot. It was small, unpretentious, unpainted structure, some 34 x 46 feet on a beautiful rise of ground fronting the west, and pronounced by Rev. Freeborn GARRETTSON (the first presiding elder), at its completion, "the most elegant church, according to the size of it, that I know in the connection." It is not known to the writer that any record is extant showing who composed the building committed, what its cost was, or when or by whom it was dedicated. It was occupied in July, 1787. "The trustees were Ephraim BESSEY, James BARBER, Nathan SHERMAN, John BAKER, John ARMITAGE, Jr., William ELLICE, George FISHER, Edward DILLON, and Zachariah FISHER. The following composed the male membership a few years later, the whole number in church fellowship, male and female, being one hundred and seventy-nine: "Thomas ASHTON, James BARBER, John BAKER, Jeremiah AUSTIN, Loughlin McLEAN, Alexander McLEAN, George FISHER, Ephraim BESSEY, Cornelius THORP, William FISHER, John ARMITAGE, Richard SUTLIFF, Othiniel PRESTON, Robert LANGWORTHY, Daniel SUMNER, Noah DODGE, John HANNA, John GRIMES, Uriah PALMERTON, John DART, Zachariah FISHER, Edward SMALLMAN, John BARBER, Jacob GOODSELL, Thomas EMPY, John SUTLIFF, William ELLICE, John DOUNE, David HAMMON, Peter SHARP, William COWAN, Amos AUSTIN, Thomas COWAN, John GILES, Thomas TAYLOR, Nathan LARRABEE, Nathan TAYOR, John EMPY, Edward DILLON, John McNAMARA, John RHODES, Thomas MOORE, Constant REYNOLDS, Daniel AUSTIN, Elijah AUSTIN, Gaius BLOWERS, James MOON, Robert MOON, Solomon BLOWERS, Henry LITTLE, Thomas AUSTIN, John LILLY, Benjamin HARRIS, Henry STILLSON, Abram HODGE, Charles BLOWERS, Robert HULL, Wm. DOUGHERTY, Wm. WILLIAMS, Garrett SHARP, Cornelius SHARP, Wm. TIDD, Job BLOWERS, Ebenezer HALL, Dennis HALL, Merchant HALL, Peter SWITZER, Christopher SWITZER, John SWITZER, John TOMPKINS, Peter SHARP, Thomas MADDIN, Wm. GALUSHA, Job HERRINGTON, Wm. WORDEN, Clark LITTLE, John TOMPKINS, George EMPY, Richard EMPY, John EMPY, Ally COOPER, David LUCAS, Clark JINKS, Cornelius SHAW, Gideon RATHBONE, John BLOWERS, Andrew SHARP, Thaddeus TIDD, John NOWLAN.

Regarding your request for information on Michael Switzer. I have a Michael on my dbase; one of seven children born to Adam Switzer & Barbara Dolmage. Adam was born approx 1751, and his children seem to be have been born from 1776 to 1793. I don`t have any extended info on this Michael, but note that some of his siblings did move to Ontario in the time slot that you are looking at. I can supply additional info on Adam (the father) and some of the siblings if this is interesting to you. Yours Aye, Grant. -----Original Message----- From: hassall <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, August 04, 2001 7:18 pm Subject: [IP] MICHAEL SWITZER and JULIA HURST, parents ?? >Hi there > >I am seeking information on MICHAEL SWITZER and his wife JULIA HURST as to >who Michael's parents were and who his siblings were. I believe that Michael >and Julia emigrated from Ireland to York County, Ontario Canada but were >killed when their ship sunk when they returned to Ireland on a business >trip. Children and grandchildren are listed below. > >Thanks for reading this >Judy in Canada > >Descendants of Michael Switzer >1 Michael Switzer >.. +Julia Hurst >...... 2 Canders Switzer >.......... +Thomas Howard m: 1861 >...... 2 Catharine Switzer 1832 - b: Abt. 1832 >...... 2 John Switzer 1822 - b: Abt. 1822 >.......... +Anne Mooney >...... 2 Samuel Switzer 1838 - b: Abt. 1838 in Canada West >.......... +Elizabeth Graham 1835 - b: Abt. 1835 in Achinduich, Breich, >Sutherlandshire,Scotland m: May 09, 1862 in King Township, York County, >Ontario >.............. 3 Mary Sophia Switzer 1862 - 1923 b: October 05, 1862 in >King Township, Ontario, Canada d: February 25, 1923 in New Liskeard, Ontario >Burial: New Liskeard Pioneer Cemetery, Ontario >.................. +William (Chester) Walton 1858 - 1946 b: June 24, 1858 >in King Township, Ontario, Canada d: August 17, 1946 in New Liskeard, >Ontario, Canada m: December 27, 1882 in Schomberg, King Township, Ontario, >Canada Burial: New Liskeard Pioneer Cemetery, Ontario >.............. 3 Ellen Switzer 1863 - b: August 10, 1863 >.............. 3 Baby Switzer 1864 - b: June 06, 1864 >.............. 3 Ella Switzer 1865 - b: December 25, 1865 >.............. 3 Kate Switzer 1867 - b: October 14, 1867 >.............. 3 Wesley Switzer 1869 - b: March 04, 1869 > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but >they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers >

Hi there I am seeking information on MICHAEL SWITZER and his wife JULIA HURST as to who Michael's parents were and who his siblings were. I believe that Michael and Julia emigrated from Ireland to York County, Ontario Canada but were killed when their ship sunk when they returned to Ireland on a business trip. Children and grandchildren are listed below. Thanks for reading this Judy in Canada Descendants of Michael Switzer 1 Michael Switzer .. +Julia Hurst ...... 2 Canders Switzer .......... +Thomas Howard m: 1861 ...... 2 Catharine Switzer 1832 - b: Abt. 1832 ...... 2 John Switzer 1822 - b: Abt. 1822 .......... +Anne Mooney ...... 2 Samuel Switzer 1838 - b: Abt. 1838 in Canada West .......... +Elizabeth Graham 1835 - b: Abt. 1835 in Achinduich, Breich, Sutherlandshire,Scotland m: May 09, 1862 in King Township, York County, Ontario .............. 3 Mary Sophia Switzer 1862 - 1923 b: October 05, 1862 in King Township, Ontario, Canada d: February 25, 1923 in New Liskeard, Ontario Burial: New Liskeard Pioneer Cemetery, Ontario .................. +William (Chester) Walton 1858 - 1946 b: June 24, 1858 in King Township, Ontario, Canada d: August 17, 1946 in New Liskeard, Ontario, Canada m: December 27, 1882 in Schomberg, King Township, Ontario, Canada Burial: New Liskeard Pioneer Cemetery, Ontario .............. 3 Ellen Switzer 1863 - b: August 10, 1863 .............. 3 Baby Switzer 1864 - b: June 06, 1864 .............. 3 Ella Switzer 1865 - b: December 25, 1865 .............. 3 Kate Switzer 1867 - b: October 14, 1867 .............. 3 Wesley Switzer 1869 - b: March 04, 1869

Amazing Liz Thank you for your kind comments. I am advised by a friend (a committed genealogist) that too much ROFL can damage the spine. Terry

Subj: [CLARE] Francis Spaight's clearing of his estate Date: 7/31/2001 7:30:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time From: [email protected] (Sharon Carberry) To: [email protected] For those of us following the history of ejectments, assisted emigration, and the ships leaving Limerick with our ancestors, here is a link and an excerpt from the testimony of Francis Spaight, who owned the Jane Black and other ships which carried timber from Canada to Limerick and then our people back there. He also owned an estate called Derry, by the Shannon, in Clare and used a system of "vountary" emigration after concluding there was no other way to improve the lot of the poor creatures who inhabited his estate and who hadn't paid even nominal rent in quite some time. He also makes observations about the emigra- tion of the Palatine descendants in the Limerick area. Sharon Carberry the link: http://www.swan.ac.uk/history/teaching/teaching%20resources/An%20Gorta%20Mor/e migrationexperience/spaight.htm the excerpt: 3274. There is a great Excitement against the Landlord who displaces Tenants, but have you ever known an Instance of such Feeling being excited against a Man who prevented a Subdivision of Land? [Spaight's answer:] Not to the same Extent, but a good deal has taken place a few Years since. Under my present System of Emigration I make it a Rule never to take an Individual or Part of a Family; I take the whole Family or none, and the House is levelled.... (Liz's comment on that last line ---> what a hero, he takes the whole hand rather than just a finger)

In a message dated 7/30/2001 7:05:02 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > . This gave me several hours of mindless pleasure. ROFL!!! :) By the way, is anyone making a web page of Terry's hard work?

Kent Very many thanks for the valuable pointer concerning the London lists. This gave me several hours of mindless pleasure. Although it stopped me compiling Groves despatches for a little while (to the relief of some, I imagine), it did give me an idea for a future round-up of all the lists, to be presented in a more comprehensible, logical way (I mean more helpful to searchers). It's taken me months to make sense of them all. Terry

hi list "All Worlds Possible" by Patrick J. O'Connor is a lovely book about the Millers of Coolybrown. Even if you are not interested in Millers, this is a good book to read about the daily lives of some Palatines in County Limerick. O'Connor had access to many family papers and letters and made good use of them. Mary

Hi Donna Sorry but I have no record of any Tobias Mick. I have very few Micks in the U.S. --- one, John b. ca 1775 NY State came to Canada ca1797 and settled Northumberland County. A William Bell Mick was in the U.S. in the early 1800s. one of his grandsons, Thomas, was a surgeon in the confederate army. Mary -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Saturday, July 28, 2001 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Rathkeale No 2 link >Hi Mary,This is Donna-I received this message you sent to Terry-Would to like >know if you know anything on the Mick family-we have a Tobias Mick coming >over 1752 to Pa. or do you know anyone I can get in connect with that would >know. >Thank you,Donna >[email protected] > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. > >

Folks, Forgot to mention but the below referenced "The Book of Names especially Relating to the Early Palatines and the First Settlers in the Mohawk Valley (St. Johnsville, New York, 1933)" is also available at the Fort Klock Site at : http://www.global2000.net/fortklock/names.htm All four of the London Lists are reproduced. Kent > -----Original Message----- > From: Kent Sparling [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 6:38 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: [IP] Re: Ruckle, etc > > > Terry, > > I believe that the transcription of Knittle on the Fort Klock Site is > complete > > http://www.geocities.com/ajberry29/knittle.htm > > In The appendix for the First Board of Trade List Knittle States : > > "Only the first of the four Board of Trade Lists (that of May > 6, 1709) is > included here because that group of 825 persons is unmentioned in the > Embarkation Lists from Holland, which are here given in Appendix C" > > but he also mentions other places where the Lists have beeen > reproduced : > > "They have been published without change in the New York > Genealogical and > Biographical Records (New York, 1909 and 1910), XL, 49-54, > 93-100, 160-167, > 241-248; XLI, 10-19. They are also published in L. D. > MacWethy, The Book of > Names especially Relating to the Early Palatines and the > First Settlers in > the Mohawk Valley (St. Johnsville, New York, 1933) in an > alphabetical order > and an abridged form. In the latter version there are errors, > which are > excusable because of the nature of the material but the bad > alphabetizing of > the names is not to be regarded so lightly." > > Hope this helps, > > Kent Sparling > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 5:21 PM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [IP] Re: Ruckle, etc > > > > > > Hi Karen > > > > You say you have a copy of Knittle. I use the reproduction on > > Geocities > > (AJBerry), but it only gives one of the Board of Trade lists > > for 1709. Does > > the book give them all (four, I believe)? And does it include > > the details, > > such as ages, children, occupation, place of origin, > > religion, etc? I am very > > keen to acquire this information and, indeed, anything else > > that is not > > posted on the extremely generous Fort Klock website, but > > which might be in > > the book. > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people. >

Terry, I believe that the transcription of Knittle on the Fort Klock Site is complete http://www.geocities.com/ajberry29/knittle.htm In The appendix for the First Board of Trade List Knittle States : "Only the first of the four Board of Trade Lists (that of May 6, 1709) is included here because that group of 825 persons is unmentioned in the Embarkation Lists from Holland, which are here given in Appendix C" but he also mentions other places where the Lists have beeen reproduced : "They have been published without change in the New York Genealogical and Biographical Records (New York, 1909 and 1910), XL, 49-54, 93-100, 160-167, 241-248; XLI, 10-19. They are also published in L. D. MacWethy, The Book of Names especially Relating to the Early Palatines and the First Settlers in the Mohawk Valley (St. Johnsville, New York, 1933) in an alphabetical order and an abridged form. In the latter version there are errors, which are excusable because of the nature of the material but the bad alphabetizing of the names is not to be regarded so lightly." Hope this helps, Kent Sparling > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2001 5:21 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IP] Re: Ruckle, etc > > > Hi Karen > > You say you have a copy of Knittle. I use the reproduction on > Geocities > (AJBerry), but it only gives one of the Board of Trade lists > for 1709. Does > the book give them all (four, I believe)? And does it include > the details, > such as ages, children, occupation, place of origin, > religion, etc? I am very > keen to acquire this information and, indeed, anything else > that is not > posted on the extremely generous Fort Klock website, but > which might be in > the book. >

Hi - more docs. [#R: Here are four short(-ish) texts relating to the Palatines shipped to the Americas. These span the period from November 1710 to April 1715 and show the disarray of the entire Naval Stores and pitch-and-tar projects. We might wonder how many of our later families were descended from the children engaged in this appalling work. A very good account of the whole business is to be found in Walter Knittle's book.] ***START HERE*** Printed Calendar of Treasury Papers for 1708-1714 MS Vol 125 No 45 Letter dated at New York 1710 Nov 14th Robt Hunter to the Lords The Commissioners of Trade would inform them That there would be no revenue there. Asks that her Majesty would order payment of his salary. The Commissioners would also inform their Lordships That the Palatines were now settled on the Hudson River near the pine land, so that this project could not fail of success. £15000 a year for the next two years would do the work effectually, being about half of what was first thought necessary. Her Majesty might depend upon tar enough for her Navy from her colonies for ever, for there was pitch pine enough if the number of hands were increased, to serve all Europe. Orphans were disposed of to those who undertook to maintain and educate them, and "by their going to work for wages in the country." Each persons account was kept apart as they had to repay what they got now by their labour hereafter. In all probability their numbers would increase, for they were now very healthfull. Dated at New York 14th November 1710 ----------------------------------- Printed Calendar of Treasury Papers for 1708-1714 P311 MS Vol 237 No 25 Letter dated 12 September 1711 Ro Hunter Governor of New York to Mr Lowndes Had not time to particularly enquire into Mr Bridger's conduct with relation to her Majesty's woods, But had heard that great waste had been committed by his giving deputations to persons having saw mills, and receiving from them a yearly salary. By her Majesty's Letters Mr Bridger was ordered to attend the Palatines, and instruct them in the tar trade, And with him, the Governor visited the woods and fixed the place of their settlement, and Bridger was allowed to return to New England for the winter, upon promise to return early in the spring, when they were to be set to work. This he had since positively refused to do, so that, if that good work depended upon him, one whole year was lost. But, suspecting his ability and not a little his integrity, He, the Governor, found another who better understood the matter. By all Bridger's proceedings, he, the Governor, verily believed, he was hired to betray her Majesty's interests. The work however was in the greatest forwardness. Had laid out all the money he could raise, and engaged all the credit he could make. It should not fail at his door, though he should be ruined. Had prepared 100000 trees, And the very children, when he was there, had made between three and four score barrels of tar out of the knots, and by that time, had made as much more. Has drawn upon the Lord High Treasurer for above half a years subsistence for that people. Dated New York 12 Sep 1711 -------------------------------- Printed Calendar of Treasury Papers for 1708-14 p 398 MS Vol 149 No 1 Letter dated New York 22 June 1712 from Col Ro Hunter to the Lord High Treasurer Advises his Lordship of Bills drawn upon him for £3437 6s 2d in favour of Mr Micajah Perry for the subsistence of the Palatines p 398 MS Vol 149 No 2 Letter dated at New York 23 June 1712 Same to same Must lay before his Lordship a True State of the Affairs of the Palatines. The work was forwarder than could have been expected. The trees answered expectations, And this Fall, he had 100000 ready to be cut down and burnt for tar. The Lords of Trade proposed to employ 3000 Palatines in the production of Naval Stores in New York. They were to be subsisted by the Public, the adults at 6d a day and the children at 4d untill they could subsist themselves. This was approved of by Her Majesty in Council. £8000 were issued to him for their immediate subsistence. He made the Palatines enter into a Contract to follow the Work, and he purchased lands for them on the Great River, near to the pine woods, settled them in good houses and plantations, and kept them constantly on the tar work, By which they would, in a few years, quit the debt they owed the Crown. Had gone on laying out all the money he and his friends were masters of, for subsisting and employing that People. But had not heard that any of his bills were paid; Nor could he, for the Public Good, leave off doing so. Had reaped nothing but fatigue torture and trouble and the pleasure of having surmounted opposition and difficulties next to insurmountable. Has acquainted the Lords of Trade How basely Mr Bridger had done, what he could, to betray the work. His practice with the Queen's woods had been equally vicious If he escaped punishment, such as served her Majesty with disinterested zeal at the distance, would be discouraged and suffer under such treachery….. (The letter goes on about other matters - TG) ---------------------------- Printed Calendar of Treasury Papers 1708 - 1714 p 444 MS Vol 154 No 59 Letter dated at New York 27 Nov 1712 Caleb Heathcote to the Lord High Treasurer touching the pitch and tar design The Palatines had prepared about 70000 trees which they supposed would make 2400 tons. It would be much more for her Majesty's advantage and that of the natives to have the tar and pitch contracted for there. The Crown might contract for any quantity they pleased if the method answered as in the Baltic or Russia, there being several Gentlemen who had large tracts of pine woods, who only waited to see the success of the experiment, when they intended to fall upon it. Minuted "24 March 1712/13 Scheme mentioned with an extract of the Letter sent to the Commissioners of the Navy" 2 pages 4to -------------------------- Printed Calendar of Treasury Papers 1714 - 1719 p 103 MS Vol 189 No 64 Order in Council 30 April 30 April 1715 referring for Report to the Lords of the Treasury a Petition of Robert Hunter esq Governor of New York for payment of disbursements made by him, for subsisting 3000 poor Palatines employed in the Province of New York in the production of Naval Stores. The petition is in the original MMSS but is not printed ***END HERE*** [It seems a pity that the correspondence relating to the émigrés to North America is so sketchy; but clearly Tenison Goves was following a specific brief, so most of the documentation refers to the Palatines in Ireland. If you didn't know already, the reference "2 pages 4to" refers to the size of sheet (quarto), which is slightly smaller than A4. So….OK, you knew - sorry. I had to think about it though; I don't like to leave anything out] That's all Terry

Hi Karen You say you have a copy of Knittle. I use the reproduction on Geocities (AJBerry), but it only gives one of the Board of Trade lists for 1709. Does the book give them all (four, I believe)? And does it include the details, such as ages, children, occupation, place of origin, religion, etc? I am very keen to acquire this information and, indeed, anything else that is not posted on the extremely generous Fort Klock website, but which might be in the book. Good to have another fellow Palatine in this inspiring community. I have some details on Thomas Ruttle (the 20th Century one who married a Bovenizer, sister to one of my second-hand relatives). If it fills a gap in your overall structure, do let me know. Terry Pyper (Lincs UK)

Hi Mary,This is Donna-I received this message you sent to Terry-Would to like know if you know anything on the Mick family-we have a Tobias Mick coming over 1752 to Pa. or do you know anyone I can get in connect with that would know. Thank you,Donna [email protected]

Rathkeale Parish church registers (1742++) follow: ***START HERE*** Holy Trinity Parish Church, Rathkeale, Co. LIMERICK Register extracts transcribed Summer 1979 BAPTISMS No./Page Year/Date Surname Given name/(parents) 1/1 1742 June 22 PYPER Jacob (s. of JOHN of Killeaheen & ELEANOR) 2/4 1745 July 25 PIPER Catherine (ye dau. of John & Honora) 3/9 1750 Aug. 10 PIPPER Catherine (d. of Peter of Killaheen & Elizabeth) 4/12 1753 Oct. 3 PIPER Juliana (d. of Peter of Killeheen & Elizabeth) 5/17 1757 Sep. 25 PIPER Anne (d. of John of Killeheene & Catherine) 7/20 1759 Xbr 16 PIPER Mary (son [sic] of John of Killeheen & Catherine) 8/21 1761 Mar. 23 PIPER John (s. of George of Killeheen & Ann) 9/22 1762 June 20 PIPER Henry (s. of John Junr & Catherine) 10/23 1763 May 5 PIPER Sarah (d. of George & Ann) 11/25 1765 Aug. 29 PIPER Peter and John (sons of John & Catherine) 12/25 1765 Oct. 8 PIPER Jacob (s. of George & Ann) 13/26 1767 May 3 PIPER George (s. of George & Ann) 14/27 1767 Oct. 11 PIPER Margaret (d. of Jacob and Ann) 15/28 1769 Mar. 12 PIPER Charles (s. of Jacob & Ann) 16/30 1771 June 23 PIPER Catherine (d. of Jacob and Ann) 17/31 1774 Nov. 13 PIPER Mary (d. of Peter & Ann) 18/37 1783 May 11 PIPER John (s. of Jacob & Ann) 19/37 1783 Dec. 21 PIPER Catherine (Eliz - erased) (d. of John & Elizabeth) 20/39 1785 Nov. 6 PIPER Henry (s. of John & Elizabeth) 21/41 1788 Apr. 13 PIPER George (s. of John & Elizabeth) 22/41 1789 Feb. 8 PIPER Mary (d. of James & Elizabeth) 23/43 1791 Jan. 23 PIPER George (s. of James & Mary) 24/46 1793 June 30 PIPER John (s. of George & Elizabeth) …... 25/47 1795 June 21 PIPER Richard (s. to Jas. & Elizabeth) : 26/48 1797 Sept. 10 PIPER John (s. of George & Elizabeth) …..: 27/50 1798 Apr. 1 PIPER William (s. of James & Elizabeth) ………………. 28/52 1800 Apr. 20 PIPER William (s. of James of Killeheen & Elizabeth) ...: 29/56 1803 Jan. 1 PIPER Jane (d. of James of Killeheen & Elizabeth) 30/61 1805 Oct. 6 PIPER Millisent (d. of James of Killeheen & Elizabeth) 31/66 1808 Dec. 4 PIPER Catherine (d. of James of Killeheen & Elizabeth) 32/77 1813 Feb. 20 PIPER Sarah (d. of George of Killeheen & Elizabeth) 33/83 1818 Feb. 1 PIPER Mary (d. of John of Killeheen & Ann his wife - born Jan 22) 34/88 1821 Mar. 25 PIPER James (s. of John of Killeheen & his wife - born 20th) 35/91 1822 July 11 PIPER Edward (s. of William of the Police & Allicia his wife - born 6th) 36/91 1822 July 14 PIPER Catherine (d. of George of Rathkeale & Catherine - born 11th) 37/93 1823 July 6 PIPER Catherine (d. of John of Killeheen & Ann) - born 26th) [Followed by 53-year gap] Register resumes: 38/134 1876 June 25 PYPER Elizabeth Jane (d. of Julius & Alicia Gunsmith - born May 13th) 39/136 1883 Jan. 2 PYPER James (s. of Julius & Catherine of Rathkeale Gun- smith - born 1882, Dec 30th) 40/137 1884 May 22 PYPER Esther Mary (d. of Julius & Catherine of Rathkeale Gunsmith - born Apr. 13th) 41/138 1889 Nov. 24 PYPER Julius Henry (s. of Julius & Catherine of Rathkeale Gunsmith - born Oct. 21st) 42/138 1891 Sept. 27 PYPER James (s. of Julius & Catherine of Rathkeale Gun- smith - born June 25th) 43/140 1897 May 27 PYPER Jacob (s. of Julius & Catherine of Rathkeale Gun- smith - born Apr. 15th) Ballingarry register (from 1870) p. 40 1883 May 13 PYPER Elizabeth (d. of James & Elizabeth of Ballingarry Sub-constable RIC - born Apr. 2nd) p. 40 1884 Apr. 20 PYPER Richard Henry (s. of James and Charlotte of Macroom, Co. Cork Ry Irish constable - born Feb. 11th) Register resumes: MARRIAGES No./Page Year/Date Surname Bride/Groom & Witnesses 1/142 1749 May 2 PYPER Peter of Killeheen & BOVENHIZER Elizabeth 2/144 1754 July 23 RUCKLE John of Parish of Nantinane & PIPER Elizabeth (Parish of Rathkeale) 3/144 1755 Jan. 7 BOVENHIZER Michael & PIPER Barbara (both of Killeheen) 4/144 1756 Jan. 13 PIPER Peter & STORK Elizabeth (Parish of Kilscannel) 5/145 1759 July 18 PIPER George & LAWRENCE Ann (both of Killeheen) 6/146 1762 Sept. 4 TESKY Adam & PIPER Catherine 7/147 1766 Nov. 27 PIPER Jacob (Parish of Kilscannel) & DOLMAGE Ann of Parish of Rathkeale 7/147 1766 Nov. 27 DOLMAGE Adam (Parish of Rathkeale) & PIPER Elizabeth Parish of Kilscannel) 8/148 1711 Apr. 17 SHOEMAKER Daniel (Parish of Particles) & PIPER Catherine (Parish of Rathkeale) 9/151 1783 Mar. 4 PIPER John & CORNEILE Elizabeth 10/152 1785 Apr. 12 LEGEIR Adam of Courtmatress & PIPER Margaret of Doonass 11/152 1785 Sept. 21 PHIZLE Peter of Parish of Kilnaugten & PIPER Margt of Kilscannel 12/153 1788 Apr. 29 SHIER Martin of Parish of Rathkeale & PHIZZLE alias PIPER Margaret of Kilscannel 13/154 1790 Feb. 22 BOURK Michael of Parish of Nantennan & PIPER Sarah of Killaheen 14/154 1790 Oct. 21 BOVENHOIZER John & PIPER Cathe both of Kilscannel 15/154 1792 Feb. 5 DULMAGE John of Parish of Rathkeale & PIPER Mary of Kilscanell 16/156 1798 Feb. 20 LEGANNEER Michael & PIPER Elizabeth both of this Parish by licence 17/161 1806 Apr. 22 PIPER John (of Killeheen) & BOVENIZER Mary by licence 18/163 1809 May 16 GLENDENING James Sgt of S. Mayo Regt of Militia & PIPER Mary widow of late John PIPER of Killeheen, by licence 19/164 1811 Apr. 25 PIPER George of Adara Parish & COOPER Mary of Killeheen by licence 20/165 1812 Jan. 21 SMYTH George of Parish of Shanagolden, Farmer & PIPER Catherine dau. of George of Killaheen by licence 21/168 1817 Jan. 7 PIPER John of Killeheen & RYNARD Ann (d. of John Rynard P.B.) (?) 22/170 1822 Nov. 20 TURNER Richard of the Police & PIPER Jane (dau. of James PIPER of Killeheen by licence 23/175 1836 Feb. 2 DELMEGE Michael of Kilscannel & PIPER Elizabeth of Parish of Rathkeale by licence 24/177 1838 Oct. 2 FIZZELLE John (Rathkeale Parish - Yeoman) & PIPER Mary (of the same Parish - spinster - by licence and consent of parents. Witnesses: J. BOWEN, John PIPER Marriage Register ends in 1845 BURIALS Rathkeale register from 1842 1/186 1755 Oct. 18 PIPER Elizabeth (w. of Peter PIPER of Killeheen) 2/189 1762 Dec. 18 PIPER Christiana (widow) 3/189 1763 Aug. 14 PIPER Susanna (d. of Elizabeth & Peter) 4/189 1763 Aug. 21 PIPER Henry (s. of John & Catherine) [Followed by 30-year gap] 5/195 1793 Feb. 20 PIPER George (s. to John & Honora, his wife) 6/196 1795 Mar. 21 PIPER Catherine (d. of George & Elizabeth, his wife) 7/196 1795 Mar. 15 PIPER Peter (of Ballingarane) 8/197 1799 Mar. 25 PIPER Ann (widow of Killeheen) 9/198 1801 Jan. 23 PIPER Jacob Jnr. of Killeheen 10/200a 1805 Dec. 30 PIPER Jacob of Killeheen 11/200a 1806 Aug. 16 PIPER John of Killeheen 12/203 1812 Jul. 26 PIPER Ann (widow of Jacob of Killeheen) 13/205 1818 Mar. 29 PIPER George (s. of George PIPER of Killeheen) 14/209 1825 Nov. 24 PIPER John of Adare 15/209 1826 Mar. 14 PIPER Catherine (of Killeheen) 16/212 1833 Jan. 15 PIPER George of Ballyhale 17/214 1837 Nov. 11 PIPER Mary (of Killeheen - Aged 52 years) 18/215 1839 Aug. 4 PIPER James Farmer of Killeheen - Aged 76 [Followed by 26-year gap] 19/225 1865 Jan. 29 PIPER William of Killeheen - Aged 25 20/227 1870 Oct. 2 PIPER Richard (of Limk) - Aged 72 21/228 1876 May 1 PYPER Anne (of Killaneen) - Aged 84 Ballingarry register p.53 1920 Apr. 22 PYPER Elizabeth (of Ballingarry) - Aged 35 ***END HERE*** Terry Pyper (1939++) PS: I would like to assure you all that the spelling in my Groves material is double-checked (nay, triple...) to be certain that all the errors are included as writ. Sometimes I make mistakes in my ordinary comments, which I don't always check, as my #Q shows when I promise you "more weightier metrial" in the postscript. I get so carried away - please excuse me. I am a dunce. (Rathkeale No.2 would have laughed me out of the porch.). I run an anti-spellchecker on Groves, believe me. When I type 'accomodate' that's what it says; it might be a blunder on the part of the goodlie Tenison G, but I am proud to pass it on in all its brazen honesty. Bye bye.

Hello [#Q: Small extract here but a poignant reminder of the conditions our forebears were subjected to whilst awaiting dispersal in Dublin, dated from the same week as my last Transcript (#P). ***START HERE*** Entry Book of King's & Queen's Letters & of Reports &c Vol 15 1E-2-6 Pages 65 to 67 Indexed under Ryly Complaint of Tho Ryly the Barrackmaster of Dublin Barracks undated but order for Report dated at London 17 Feb 1710 with Report dated 3 May 1711 thereon That there are then lodged in the said Barracks about 280 families of Palatines in about 70 rooms which had been built to contain 8 soldiers each, or 20 souls of Palatines in some of the rooms, That they get the same allowance from the Palatine Commissioners, as some 25 or 30 Palatine families which pay for their own lodgings in the city. Mention is made of Mr Hance the Interpreter, and Mr Smales the Paymaster. That at their first coming some of them died of "spotted fever". That their fuel which is brushwood gathered out of hedges has several times set the chimnies on fire. That they keep stores of their provisions in their rooms which attract rats and mice to the barracks &c &c Complains of their dirty habits, and the expense of cleaning after them. ***END HERE*** [Mr 'Hance' is Mr Hintz, the Agent for the Palatines. This despatch will be followed by a few miscellaneous letters, all relevant to the settlement of our immigrants - including some of the rarer documents concerning the Palatines consigned to North America. Then I will move on to some of the more weightier metrial.] Bye bye Terry