Apologies Mary, I have just realised that William R. was the son of George Frederick, and so the next generation! Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Wallace <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Sparling Family > I Denise > > This is what I have on your family > > 1C8M3. Henry Edwin Thomas Sparling b. 1857 m. 1878 at Ballinasloe, > Kilalooney Parish Matilda Ronaldson daughter of John Ronaldson, gentleman > farmer. They lived at Clonusker until about 1888 but in 1890 he was a > merchant of Killimore, near Portunna, County Galway. He sympathized with > the tenants at the time of the Bodyke evictions in 1887, as reported in the > Times of 3 Jun 1887 "Henry Sparling, a Protestant Nationalist from Scafiff > seconded the resolution which was passed". All of this family must have > emigrated as no death has been found for the parents in Ireland and the last > known sighting is the 1897 Dublin death. [209] > > 1C8M3A. Ellen (Nellie) Peacock Sparling b. 1879 > 1C8M3B. George Frederick Sparling b. 19 May 1880 d. 1970 m. Martha I. > 1890-1970. They lived in Fairfield, Connecticut > 1C8M3B1. William R. Sparling b. 18 Oct 1917 Bridgeport, Connecticut m. 19 > Oct 1940 in Bridgeport Louise Pisty. > > 1C8M3C. Elizabeth Marion Sparling b. 6 Apr 1881 > 1C8M3D. Isabella (Bella) Frances Sparling b. 18 May 1882 > 1C8M3E. Emily Florence Sparling b. 20 Mar 1883 d. 24 Mar 1883, 4 days > 1C8M3F. John Sparling b. 9 Aug 1884 d. 10 Aug 1884, 1 day > 1C8M3G. Cathleen Sparling b. 1 Apr 1886 d. 13 Apr 1886, 12 days > 1C8M3H. Henry Thomas Sparling b. 1 Apr 1887 d. 1897, 11 years, in South > Dublin. > 1C8M3I. William John Sparling b. 20 Mar 1888. His descendants appear to be > in New Zealand > 4D2N3J. Catherine (Katty) Sparling b. 21 Feb 1889 > 1C8M3K. Norah Maude Sparling b. 2nd quarter 1891, registered as born in > Portumna. > > > All of the above came from Kathleen Bryant of London, England. Not much > beyond what was in your email but perhaps a little help. > > Mary Wallace > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sparling <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:43 AM > Subject: [IP] Sparling Family > > > >I have been trying to trace a "missing" branch of the SPARLING Family for > >many years, and discovered a week ago that they were passengers on the > >"Teutonic" from Queenstown, Cork to Ellis Island, arriving on 23rd > November, > >1892. The family consisted of: > > > >Henry E. - b.1857 (younger brother of my husband's g-g-grandfather) > >Matilda - b. 1860 > >Ellen (Nellie) - b. 1879 > >George Frederick - b. 19/5/80 > >Elizabeth Marion - b. 6/4/81 > >Isabella (Bella) - b. 18/5/82 > >Henry Thomas - b. 1/4/87 > >William John - b. 20/3/88 > >Catherine (Katty) - b. 21/2/89 > >Norah - b. Oct.1892 (was only one month old on arrival) > > > >All of the children except Ellen and Norah were baptized in our local C. of > >I. church in Tuamgraney Co. Clare, including three others (Emily, John and > >Cathleen born between 1883 and 1886 and lived 9 days, four months, and 12 > >days respectively as their deaths are also recorded). > > > >I would be extremely grateful to anyone who could give me any news of what > >happened to members of this family, or news of their descendants. I did > >find details in the Social Security Death Index of a George Sparling who > >died in Connecticut in July 1964 and whose birthdate matches that of our > >George Frederick. > > > >Denise Sparling > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >List Administrator: > >Susan Laursen Willig > >[email protected] > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. > >

Mary, Thank you for your information. There are just a couple of things I do not think are correct: 1. William R. b. 1917 was not a member of this family. 2. Norah Maude would have been born in October 1892 as she was only 1 month old on arrival at Ellis Island in November of that year. 3. The Henry Thomas referred to in the "Irish Times" was the father of Henry Edwin Thomas. He was in business in Scariff at the time while Henry Edwin Thomas lived first at Clonusker and then at Portumna. The business in Scariff is still in existence and is run by my husband. Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Wallace <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:59 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Sparling Family > I Denise > > This is what I have on your family > > 1C8M3. Henry Edwin Thomas Sparling b. 1857 m. 1878 at Ballinasloe, > Kilalooney Parish Matilda Ronaldson daughter of John Ronaldson, gentleman > farmer. They lived at Clonusker until about 1888 but in 1890 he was a > merchant of Killimore, near Portunna, County Galway. He sympathized with > the tenants at the time of the Bodyke evictions in 1887, as reported in the > Times of 3 Jun 1887 "Henry Sparling, a Protestant Nationalist from Scafiff > seconded the resolution which was passed". All of this family must have > emigrated as no death has been found for the parents in Ireland and the last > known sighting is the 1897 Dublin death. [209] > > 1C8M3A. Ellen (Nellie) Peacock Sparling b. 1879 > 1C8M3B. George Frederick Sparling b. 19 May 1880 d. 1970 m. Martha I. > 1890-1970. They lived in Fairfield, Connecticut > 1C8M3B1. William R. Sparling b. 18 Oct 1917 Bridgeport, Connecticut m. 19 > Oct 1940 in Bridgeport Louise Pisty. > > 1C8M3C. Elizabeth Marion Sparling b. 6 Apr 1881 > 1C8M3D. Isabella (Bella) Frances Sparling b. 18 May 1882 > 1C8M3E. Emily Florence Sparling b. 20 Mar 1883 d. 24 Mar 1883, 4 days > 1C8M3F. John Sparling b. 9 Aug 1884 d. 10 Aug 1884, 1 day > 1C8M3G. Cathleen Sparling b. 1 Apr 1886 d. 13 Apr 1886, 12 days > 1C8M3H. Henry Thomas Sparling b. 1 Apr 1887 d. 1897, 11 years, in South > Dublin. > 1C8M3I. William John Sparling b. 20 Mar 1888. His descendants appear to be > in New Zealand > 4D2N3J. Catherine (Katty) Sparling b. 21 Feb 1889 > 1C8M3K. Norah Maude Sparling b. 2nd quarter 1891, registered as born in > Portumna. > > > All of the above came from Kathleen Bryant of London, England. Not much > beyond what was in your email but perhaps a little help. > > Mary Wallace > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sparling <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:43 AM > Subject: [IP] Sparling Family > > > >I have been trying to trace a "missing" branch of the SPARLING Family for > >many years, and discovered a week ago that they were passengers on the > >"Teutonic" from Queenstown, Cork to Ellis Island, arriving on 23rd > November, > >1892. The family consisted of: > > > >Henry E. - b.1857 (younger brother of my husband's g-g-grandfather) > >Matilda - b. 1860 > >Ellen (Nellie) - b. 1879 > >George Frederick - b. 19/5/80 > >Elizabeth Marion - b. 6/4/81 > >Isabella (Bella) - b. 18/5/82 > >Henry Thomas - b. 1/4/87 > >William John - b. 20/3/88 > >Catherine (Katty) - b. 21/2/89 > >Norah - b. Oct.1892 (was only one month old on arrival) > > > >All of the children except Ellen and Norah were baptized in our local C. of > >I. church in Tuamgraney Co. Clare, including three others (Emily, John and > >Cathleen born between 1883 and 1886 and lived 9 days, four months, and 12 > >days respectively as their deaths are also recorded). > > > >I would be extremely grateful to anyone who could give me any news of what > >happened to members of this family, or news of their descendants. I did > >find details in the Social Security Death Index of a George Sparling who > >died in Connecticut in July 1964 and whose birthdate matches that of our > >George Frederick. > > > >Denise Sparling > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >List Administrator: > >Susan Laursen Willig > >[email protected] > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. > >

Chris Le Gear wrote: > For some years I have been researching the Le Gear family line (and many of > you have helped) but it's only been in the last few months that I have > established the link to Europe with our IP ancestor Johan Adam. Andreas LEGGER, at this time, is the "lynchpin" (if that's the > right word) of my research. Hey Chris - this is fantastic news !! Please do tell me all about the Leger/Legger line! I keep hitting brick walls on my Barkman line, my Shiers are better, but with your hard work our Le Gear's are definitely way ahead! > The style of the writing was very old but nonetheless distinct - it said, > quite clearly - "A.LEGGER". That is one heck of a co-incidence!! How absolutely wonderful! So, I've checked all the labels on the corners of my tablecloths, but the only names I can find are ............ MARKS & SPENCER Have a great time in the col ......... um ........... USA. Di Mitchell England > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people. > >

In a message dated 8/8/2001 5:25:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > Have a great time in the col ......... um ........... USA. > ROFL!!!!!!!!

HI: This group helped me greatly with hollingers. I now have a man named David Waschow (Warshaw) who first appears in Mississippi in 1826, is naturalized in Adams Co MS in 1828. He appears in the Census of 1840 in Franklin County Ms and died in 1844. He was close to Lewis Michael Hollinger; he had no children and left his estate to Hollinger. Does this name ring a bell with anyone? I know that he spoke German; he owned land and was a merchant. Is this a likely Palatine name? Bavarian? any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Kate

Hi All, Genes or Spooky, maybe a bit of both. My stumbling block was my John SMITH, I had not thought of Palatine with his name. But in 1870 here in Australia he named his house "Rahina". After John SMITH died, my grandfather, his son, then bought the name plate to Melbourne and put it on a house he built. I spent some time trying to find what the significance of Rahina was, then found a little village in Ireland called Rahina, and then the mother of John SMITH was Rebecca CORNEILLE and it all fell into place after that. I had no idea why I thought the house plate and the name Rahina was important to me. But it pointed me in the right direction. Genes or a push from the Ancestors!! Who knows, but these things always make me feel like I belong to this family who spread over a great area of the planet!! Cheers Jacqui Cunningham, Central Victoria, Australia. http://www.oldnewscopy.com "It's Old News!"

I Denise This is what I have on your family 1C8M3. Henry Edwin Thomas Sparling b. 1857 m. 1878 at Ballinasloe, Kilalooney Parish Matilda Ronaldson daughter of John Ronaldson, gentleman farmer. They lived at Clonusker until about 1888 but in 1890 he was a merchant of Killimore, near Portunna, County Galway. He sympathized with the tenants at the time of the Bodyke evictions in 1887, as reported in the Times of 3 Jun 1887 "Henry Sparling, a Protestant Nationalist from Scafiff seconded the resolution which was passed". All of this family must have emigrated as no death has been found for the parents in Ireland and the last known sighting is the 1897 Dublin death. [209] 1C8M3A. Ellen (Nellie) Peacock Sparling b. 1879 1C8M3B. George Frederick Sparling b. 19 May 1880 d. 1970 m. Martha I. 1890-1970. They lived in Fairfield, Connecticut 1C8M3B1. William R. Sparling b. 18 Oct 1917 Bridgeport, Connecticut m. 19 Oct 1940 in Bridgeport Louise Pisty. 1C8M3C. Elizabeth Marion Sparling b. 6 Apr 1881 1C8M3D. Isabella (Bella) Frances Sparling b. 18 May 1882 1C8M3E. Emily Florence Sparling b. 20 Mar 1883 d. 24 Mar 1883, 4 days 1C8M3F. John Sparling b. 9 Aug 1884 d. 10 Aug 1884, 1 day 1C8M3G. Cathleen Sparling b. 1 Apr 1886 d. 13 Apr 1886, 12 days 1C8M3H. Henry Thomas Sparling b. 1 Apr 1887 d. 1897, 11 years, in South Dublin. 1C8M3I. William John Sparling b. 20 Mar 1888. His descendants appear to be in New Zealand 4D2N3J. Catherine (Katty) Sparling b. 21 Feb 1889 1C8M3K. Norah Maude Sparling b. 2nd quarter 1891, registered as born in Portumna. All of the above came from Kathleen Bryant of London, England. Not much beyond what was in your email but perhaps a little help. Mary Wallace -----Original Message----- From: Sparling <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:43 AM Subject: [IP] Sparling Family >I have been trying to trace a "missing" branch of the SPARLING Family for >many years, and discovered a week ago that they were passengers on the >"Teutonic" from Queenstown, Cork to Ellis Island, arriving on 23rd November, >1892. The family consisted of: > >Henry E. - b.1857 (younger brother of my husband's g-g-grandfather) >Matilda - b. 1860 >Ellen (Nellie) - b. 1879 >George Frederick - b. 19/5/80 >Elizabeth Marion - b. 6/4/81 >Isabella (Bella) - b. 18/5/82 >Henry Thomas - b. 1/4/87 >William John - b. 20/3/88 >Catherine (Katty) - b. 21/2/89 >Norah - b. Oct.1892 (was only one month old on arrival) > >All of the children except Ellen and Norah were baptized in our local C. of >I. church in Tuamgraney Co. Clare, including three others (Emily, John and >Cathleen born between 1883 and 1886 and lived 9 days, four months, and 12 >days respectively as their deaths are also recorded). > >I would be extremely grateful to anyone who could give me any news of what >happened to members of this family, or news of their descendants. I did >find details in the Social Security Death Index of a George Sparling who >died in Connecticut in July 1964 and whose birthdate matches that of our >George Frederick. > >Denise Sparling > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >[email protected] > >

In a message dated 8/7/2001 8:33:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > >>It's true that Lord Cornwallis lost the military campaign but that wasn't > the end of the story. America was still a Crown Colony. America's > independence was negotiated after the colonists were able to satisfy the > British Government that they were able to sustain a free and democratic > governement after which a Royal Charter was drawn up granting the > independence. >> > Oh no! You didn't hear? The British Gov't forked over the keys in Paris in 1783. You know, not long after Cornwallis surrendered the British army to the Americans and the British Navy to the French. Personally, I would have taken the navy, but George wasn't too fond of boats after that frosty Delaware crossing. :)) Might take you up on that Mr. Bean though, at least we'd be laughing with him. And yes, I did bite, waited 24 hours but in the morning it was just too tempting a morsel to resist. And....as someone said, I was not offended. Have fun in California, if you're up in the northern section make sure you take a drive along the coast, its breathtaking! Liz The Yank :))

Di, Not sure if this is what you are after, but my wife's maiden name was EMPEY (a quite familiar name to our list owner Susan). Her branch of the Empey's went to New York from London during the Palatine migration wheras the Sparlings went to Ireland. We then met some 276 years later. Is this too far out of the range you were looking for ? Kent Sparling > -----Original Message----- > From: Martin Mitchell [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:13 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IP] PALATINES - LONDON TO IRELAND 1709 - LONDON TO AMERICA > 1710 > > > Of the Palatines who went to Ireland in 1709, and their > descendents over the > centuries, it's clear that many emigrated to North America. > My question is > this: > > Did those who left Ireland in later years have contact with, > meet, or even > intermarry with those who went direct from London to America > in circa 1910? > Does anyone have any hint of this - either in their own > family records or > from elsewhere? > > With my very ordinary selection of maps and atlas here at > home in England > I'm trying to learn more about those who went to New York, the Camden > Valley, Brock Township & Kincardine in Ontario. There are so many > fascinating places and wonderful stories of life in the old > country and the > new world, (ALL new worlds). It seems every one of us has a > book to write! > Though my own family's emigration was a short journey, just > across the Irish > Sea to England. > > Maybe I'm innocent, but I just don't know the answer to the > question above. > Can you help? > > Regards > Di Mitchell > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can’t plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. >

Hello List, I have really enjoyed reading Chris's story and the subsequent replies. My own story is not necessarily spooky, but my joining the list was certainly timely. Like Martin Mitchell, I have wondered about later connections between the Palatines who settled in Ireland and those who went to America in 1710 -- specifically between my IP Ruckle line and the Ruckel line who trace back to early Pennsylvania. We've never known for sure if those Ruckels were part of the New York contingent or if they immigrated from the Palatinate on their own a few years later. To my knowledge no one has yet been able to establish a sure link between the two branches before or after 1709, though many have tried and continue to do so. Two weeks ago I joined the IP list and heard about the Fort Klock web site for the first time. I looked it over and had the names of New York Palatine settlements fresh in my mind when last week I received some data from an internet cousin on our common Kelts line that neither of us had been able to trace. The name of Stone Arabia, New York caught my attention. Because of my reading on all things Palatine, I was aware of history that the cousin knew nothing about, and went again to the Fort Klock site where I found numerous references to Kilts, Keltz, Kills, Hilts, Hultz, Huls, etc. -- all variants of the family name we've been researching. Now I know that with the marriage in 1909 of my grandparents (Edward H. Ruckle and Mabel Laurene Spencer - grand daughter of Nicholas Kelts) there was at least one link between Irish and New York Palatines. We sometimes help each other along in unexpected ways. Thanks...................Karen Opgenorth

Dear List Thank you all for your positive comments on my SPOOKY story. I was tempted to keep the tablecloth but figured that it had not been intended for me, but for the next generation descendant. The pleasure for me was in finding it. From the correspondence I read, as well as numerous personal experiences of serendipity, I am sure a more imaginitive person would claim we are being guided!! I think Hank Jones has written a book about it - it appears to be so common amongst genealogists. Shannah - I'll report on the outcome! cshmgt - The Johan Adam I refer to is LEGEAR (it was a common name!) Susan, please feel free to share it with whoever you like. I hope I didn't offend anyone with my tongue in cheek reference to the "colonies"!! I did think it would elicit a "bite". Did you know, however, how close the United States came to having its Independence revoked recently? It's true that Lord Cornwallis lost the military campaign but that wasn't the end of the story. America was still a Crown Colony. America's independence was negotiated after the colonists were able to satisfy the British Government that they were able to sustain a free and democratic governement after which a Royal Charter was drawn up granting the independence. However, it was conditional that such a democratic form of governement be maintained. This has worked well for a long time, however, your recent debacle in Florida with regard to the selection of President brought the entire matter under scrutiny by the Crown again. In fact, your Charter of Independence was very close to being revoked and government passed back to the Crown. A Governor-General in waiting was actually ready to be appointed. The actor Rowan Atkinson (Mr Bean!) was considered as being the most likely acceptable figure to the American people to take on the job. However, the whole thing was fortunately averted, serendipitiously, by some British tourists who had got lost on their way to Disneyworld depositing their ride tickets in the wrong box. Chris _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

> The style of the writing was very old but nonetheless distinct - it said, > quite clearly - "A.LEGGER". > > Spooky!! > Great story Chris, I just love the way our ancestors come back to say "Hi" in the most amazing ways. Plus how wonderful of you to still be giving it as a wedding present. I don't know if I could have been so generous after finding the laundry mark. Have a great trip. Cheers Jacqui Cunningham, Central Victoria, Australia. http://www.oldnewscopy.com "It's Old News!"

Hi I have been following the 'spooky or what' items with interest as - and I think most readers will agree with me - when you decide to take up family research, soemthings happen that do have no logical explanation. I ask patience with the list on this one as it is not strictly list material but something I would like to share. Have not we all 'known' in which direction to go, quite often, in search of ancestors, without having much to go on apart from a few myths and legends from previous family members? Tales of what Gran or Grandad did, or where they lived quite often turn out to be several generations away from reality, or totally fabrication. We are truly blessed with the factual information we have on our Palatines, mainly because of documentation and the good people who provide it for us, but in other areas we have very little to start with but we seem to end up in the right place to find our families. How can this always be explained by logic? I'm not trying to put a spooky angle on this, quite the reverse, is it our genes? I know that I have stood atop a mountain in North Yorkshire with no idea what I am doing there apart from a feeling of being totally at home, and looking down on the little villages and being pulled there with no paperwork to say I'm correct, yet finding generations of my ancestors having lived there and buried in the churchyards. My Mother never knew anything of her Palatine background so I had nothing to start me off, yet a small article in a family history magazine struck a chord and away I went, right back to my 6 x Gt Granfather Adam Cornelius. And all proven! I would love to hear of how other listers came to know of their ancestory Hazel

> Chris LeGear writes <<<< visit the colonies >>> Ahem....the EX-Colonies. :)) (Was duty bound to say it lol) Yours Truly, The Yank, Liz Haren

Dear Chris and List, Spooky describes it and it seems that there is a lot of spookiness attached to thissearch for ancestors. Just yesterday while visiting the part of Canada where I had been told I could find m gggrandmothers gravesite I ran into the mother lode of geneaology facts for my family.Several weeks back I corresponded with a woman regarding my gggrandmother and records might be available etc. The date of her death was 1873 so there would be nothing in the Canadian archives that I knew of and now we would have to rely on the church records. The woman who heads her branch of the Ontario Gen. Society responded giving me what info she had and off I went. Driving down acountry road, we were just a little lost and decided to stop at the first house that we saw to ask directions. We pulled into a driveway and were greeted by a gentleman in a white beard. When asked for the directions to the cemetery he sort of grinned and mmotioned his wife to approach. Yep, it was the ! sa! me lady that I had corresponded with. She glady gave us directions but MORE ........when she explained that her family had lived in the area for nearly two hundred years I asked her about another member of the family who is known to have lived there as well. Sure enough she not only knew of the family but also directed me to the family homestead and two other graves, one of which I had been seeking for sometime !!! It was an overwhelming day, to find so many of my ancestors and by such a coincidence. It is almost as though someone directed me there. SPOOKY OR WHAT !!! Enjoy your visit to the colonies and may your gift be enjoyed for many generations to come [email protected]

><<Thank you all for your positive comments on my SPOOKY story. I was >tempted to keep the tablecloth but figured that it had not been intended >for me, but for the next generation descendant. The pleasure for me was >in finding it.>> We thank you for sharing it... it was not at all off-topic, and others are invited to share their serendipitious stories. Remember the old saying, "Coincidence is the word God uses when She doesn't want to sign Her name". ??? <lol> There was serendipity (or whatever each of us chooses to call it) at work when I began work on the EMPEY line, too. Just enough to suck me in completely, you see... Since then it's been one royal brick wall! ><<From the correspondence I read, as well as numerous personal experiences >of serendipity, I am sure a more imaginitive person would claim we are >being guided!! I think Hank Jones has written a book about it >> Yes, he did.... two of them, in fact. ><<Susan, please feel free to share it with whoever you like. >> Thanks very much, Chris! ><<I hope I didn't offend anyone with my tongue in cheek reference to the >"colonies"!! I did think it would elicit a "bite".>> Can't speak for anyone else, but it didn't offend me a bit.. provided a much appreciated chuckle, as a matter of fact. Sounds as if "Yank Liz" <g> got a chuckle out of it, too. ><< Did you know, however, how close the United States came to having its >Independence revoked recently?>> <<In fact, your Charter of Independence was very close to being revoked and government passed back to the Crown. A Governor-General in waiting was actually ready to be appointed. The actor Rowan Atkinson (Mr Bean!) was considered as being the most likely acceptable figure to the American people to take on the job. >However, the whole thing was fortunately averted, serendipitiously, by >some British tourists who had got lost on their way to Disneyworld >depositing their ride tickets in the wrong box.>> See? Serendipity works in all venues, not just genealogy!!! Hehehehe... Susan, another Yank, even a Yankee, temporarily in exile on the AZ frontier!

Dear List Here's a spooky tale that I thought I might share with you. It's 100% gospel true!! For some years I have been researching the Le Gear family line (and many of you have helped) but it's only been in the last few months that I have established the link to Europe with our IP ancestor Johan Adam. It transpires that he was the second son of one Hans LEGER of Canstatt, near Stuttgart. In leaps and bounds I have also managed to trace back Hans lineage to one Andreas Legger/Leger of that same place but born in 1495. At present, I can't see how I can get back further without going to Canstatt and shecking to see if there are other historical records. However, I digress. Andreas LEGGER, at this time, is the "lynchpin" (if that's the right word) of my research. I have been invited to a wedding of the daughter of one of my first cousins in the United States (I live near Bath, in England) and for some while have been pondering on what to take as a wedding present. With globalisation there wouldn't appear to be anything I could get here that would not also be available there. Then my wife Jenny suggested we consider some antique English Lace or Linen. Agreeing that this was a good idea I went off to Bath yesterday to purchase something. The Antique shop I went to specialised in English Linen but most of the stuff I looked at was really outside of my price range. A very nice old lady (about 140 I think!!) was serving me and it turned out to be her shop. I told her what I was looking for and explained that I was off to the colonies in a few days for a wedding. I also told her my budget and asked if she had anything suitable. She took down a really nice Old Linen Tablecloth and asked me if it was what I was looking for. It was, but I pointed out that it was twice my budget. She replied that although it was priced quite high it had, in fact, not cost her anything and was prepared to sell it to me for what I offered because she liked the idea of it going halfway across the world as a gift. I agreed. Whilst she was folding it up my thoughts turned to the trip I was about to make and the ease and speed at which I was about to do it compared to out IP ancestors 160 years ago and even further back, of old Andreas LEGGER born only 13 years after Columbas' discovery of America. (I'm whimsical, OK!) As she was about to pack it in tissue the old lady turned to me and mentioned that there was an very old laundry mark in indelible ink on the corner of the cloth and asked if it was a problem. I said that I was sure it wasn't but had a look at it anyway. The style of the writing was very old but nonetheless distinct - it said, quite clearly - "A.LEGGER". Spooky!! It's now packed in my suitcase and I'm off to California in a couple of days. In case you were wondering I never told the lady my name. Chris Le Gear _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Ms. Le Gear, What a beautiful story! I believe every word of it!! Please, let us know the out come of the receiving of the gift, as, I think a lot of people would love to hear it, also! Thank you. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Le Gear <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 06, 2001 3:39 PM Subject: [IP] SPOOKY OR WHAT!! > Dear List > > Here's a spooky tale that I thought I might share with you. It's 100% gospel > true!! > > For some years I have been researching the Le Gear family line (and many of > you have helped) but it's only been in the last few months that I have > established the link to Europe with our IP ancestor Johan Adam. It > transpires that he was the second son of one Hans LEGER of Canstatt, near > Stuttgart. In leaps and bounds I have also managed to trace back Hans > lineage to one Andreas Legger/Leger of that same place but born in 1495. At > present, I can't see how I can get back further without going to Canstatt > and shecking to see if there are other historical records. However, I > digress. Andreas LEGGER, at this time, is the "lynchpin" (if that's the > right word) of my research. > > I have been invited to a wedding of the daughter of one of my first cousins > in the United States (I live near Bath, in England) and for some while have > been pondering on what to take as a wedding present. With globalisation > there wouldn't appear to be anything I could get here that would not also be > available there. Then my wife Jenny suggested we consider some antique > English Lace or Linen. Agreeing that this was a good idea I went off to > Bath yesterday to purchase something. The Antique shop I went to > specialised in English Linen but most of the stuff I looked at was really > outside of my price range. A very nice old lady (about 140 I think!!) was > serving me and it turned out to be her shop. I told her what I was looking > for and explained that I was off to the colonies in a few days for a > wedding. > I also told her my budget and asked if she had anything suitable. > > She took down a really nice Old Linen Tablecloth and asked me if it was what > I was looking for. It was, but I pointed out that it was twice my budget. > She replied that although it was priced quite high it had, in fact, not cost > her anything and was prepared to sell it to me for what I offered because > she liked the idea of it going halfway across the world as a gift. I > agreed. > > Whilst she was folding it up my thoughts turned to the trip I was about to > make and the ease and speed at which I was about to do it compared to out IP > ancestors 160 years ago and even further back, of old Andreas LEGGER born > only 13 years after Columbas' discovery of America. (I'm whimsical, OK!) > > As she was about to pack it in tissue the old lady turned to me and > mentioned that there was an very old laundry mark in indelible ink on the > corner of the cloth and asked if it was a problem. I said that I was sure > it wasn't but had a look at it anyway. > > The style of the writing was very old but nonetheless distinct - it said, > quite clearly - "A.LEGGER". > > Spooky!! > > It's now packed in my suitcase and I'm off to California in a couple of > days. In case you were wondering I never told the lady my name. > > Chris Le Gear > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people. > >

(I'm new to the IP group) To Christopher Le Gear: When you refer to Johan Adam in the attached , do you mean Johan Adam Scheuer, or Scheier - the Palatine Shier ancestor? If so, why would his father be Hans Leger, and how did you figure that out ? > ** Original Subject: [IP] SPOOKY OR WHAT!! > ** Original Sender: "Christopher Le Gear" <[email protected]> > ** Original Date: Mon, 6 Aug 2001 15:41:13 -0700 (PDT) > ** Original Message follows... > > Dear List > > Here's a spooky tale that I thought I might share with you. It's 100% gospel > true!! > > For some years I have been researching the Le Gear family line (and many of > you have helped) but it's only been in the last few months that I have > established the link to Europe with our IP ancestor Johan Adam. It > transpires that he was the second son of one Hans LEGER of Canstatt, near > Stuttgart. In leaps and bounds I have also managed to trace back Hans > lineage to one Andreas Legger/Leger of that same place but born in 1495. At > present, I can't see how I can get back further without going to Canstatt > and shecking to see if there are other historical records. However, I > digress. Andreas LEGGER, at this time, is the "lynchpin" (if that's the > right word) of my research. > > I have been invited to a wedding of the daughter of one of my first cousins > in the United States (I live near Bath, in England) and for some while have > been pondering on what to take as a wedding present. With globalisation > there wouldn't appear to be anything I could get here that would not also be > available there. Then my wife Jenny suggested we consider some antique > English Lace or Linen. Agreeing that this was a good idea I went off to > Bath yesterday to purchase something. The Antique shop I went to > specialised in English Linen but most of the stuff I looked at was really > outside of my price range. A very nice old lady (about 140 I think!!) was > serving me and it turned out to be her shop. I told her what I was looking > for and explained that I was off to the colonies in a few days for a > wedding. > I also told her my budget and asked if she had anything suitable. > > She took down a really nice Old Linen Tablecloth and asked me if it was what > I was looking for. It was, but I pointed out that it was twice my budget. > She replied that although it was priced quite high it had, in fact, not cost > her anything and was prepared to sell it to me for what I offered because > she liked the idea of it going halfway across the world as a gift. I > agreed. > > Whilst she was folding it up my thoughts turned to the trip I was about to > make and the ease and speed at which I was about to do it compared to out IP > ancestors 160 years ago and even further back, of old Andreas LEGGER born > only 13 years after Columbas' discovery of America. (I'm whimsical, OK!) > > As she was about to pack it in tissue the old lady turned to me and > mentioned that there was an very old laundry mark in indelible ink on the > corner of the cloth and asked if it was a problem. I said that I was sure > it wasn't but had a look at it anyway. > > The style of the writing was very old but nonetheless distinct - it said, > quite clearly - "A.LEGGER". > > Spooky!! > > It's now packed in my suitcase and I'm off to California in a couple of > days. In case you were wondering I never told the lady my name. > > Chris Le Gear > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people. >** --------- End Original Message ----------- ** > Download NeoPlanet at http://www.neoplanet.com

Of the Palatines who went to Ireland in 1709, and their descendents over the centuries, it's clear that many emigrated to North America. My question is this: Did those who left Ireland in later years have contact with, meet, or even intermarry with those who went direct from London to America in circa 1910? Does anyone have any hint of this - either in their own family records or from elsewhere? With my very ordinary selection of maps and atlas here at home in England I'm trying to learn more about those who went to New York, the Camden Valley, Brock Township & Kincardine in Ontario. There are so many fascinating places and wonderful stories of life in the old country and the new world, (ALL new worlds). It seems every one of us has a book to write! Though my own family's emigration was a short journey, just across the Irish Sea to England. Maybe I'm innocent, but I just don't know the answer to the question above. Can you help? Regards Di Mitchell