=;o) can't hurt! The group has been parentless for abt. 30 yrs. of my experience <g>. Have seen Sterk/Starke/Starkey/etc. as a spelling-----sooooo I have a very open mind and don't take spelling of surnames as a personal affront. =;o) Warmest regards and thanks, Carolyn [email protected] wrote: > In a message dated 8/16/2001 10:20:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > > > > > unk parents (father d. Ire./ mother d. on ship coming over) > > 1) Henry STARK (the oldest brother. poss. m. Ire.). > > 2) Nicholas STARK. > > 3) Jarvius STARK. > > 4) John STARK. > > 5) Peter STARK. > > 6) George STARK. (born in 1812). > > 7) Margaret "Peggy" STARK.b. 1808 Ire. Married in 1834 Md. > > 8) Catherine STARK called "Kitty". > > 9) Agnes STARK (the youngest sister). > > > > I copied the index last night while at the center. There's a Stack in the > group, would that help? > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can’t plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind.

In a message dated 01-08-17 12:33:24 EDT, [email protected] writes: << You write very well, and we all appreciate having a chance to smile togethe >> Amen! I was at a loss for words when I wrote before (and if you knew me you'd know what an astonishing event that is for me!). You said exactly what I had been thinking, thank you! And yes, I'll volunteer LOL (wise guy)

Whoopee - I'm all for a Palatine junket. Anywhere. Anytime. Terry Piper Pyper (Lincs UK) << Not here...it's dullsville

In a message dated 01-08-17 10:36:22 EDT, you write: << I regret to find that a number of the members on this list are not taking seriously reports of my ancestor's efforts to improve the lot of chickens with sore heads. I happen to know that he spent a great deal of time and effort in researching the causes of this precarious malady and in finding a cure. I do know that nowadays that this condition is uncommon and would suggest that he may well have been instrumental in its eradication from chicken ranches everywhere. The name of Doctor LeGear, I understand, is often spoken of in hushed tones whenever serious chicken fanciers meet. LOLOL!!! I'm a chicken fancier from way back!! >> As to how you can tell if chickens have sore heads or not the answer is obvious. You compare them to the ones that don't have sore heads. Unfortunately, the people looking after Columbia (about 170 miles NE of SF) frown upon people stealing from the exhibitions and although I tried to get a picture it didn't come out because the item was behind glass. However, I do have a picture from the internet that I retrieved some while ago of another Doctor LeGear product, "Corrective Poultice for Pigs with Crossed Eyes" which I understand was another major seller.>> LOL the boys had way too much California sun!! >> I found California to be a fabulous place, quite unlike anything I had imagined. I have travelled extensively around the world in my few short years but can honestly say that the people I met in the US were the most outgoing, friendly and welcoming I have ever met. The one thing that stood out for me in particular was their pride in their country and state and their willingness to show it. It has given me the itch to visit more of the country and am already planning to go back again, for a longer period.>> I'm glad you had a good time! I love that area, as I've said. >>As another after thought, it would appear the the vast majority of the descendants of the 1709 immigrant IPs are these days living in the US and Canada. I know it's 8 years away yet but in 2009 it will be 300 years from their arrival in Ireland and would it not be an idea to consider a 300 year reunion somewhere in North America? And more importantly, is there anyone on the list that would consider taking on the Herculean task of organising it? (What about sponsors, exhibitors, etc!!) When you start to think about the task and it's vast potential (historical and commercial) 8 years is not all that far away. >> I love the idea!! I would go for that in a heartbeat. But I think we should make it in Ireland in Palatine Country, but I'll go with US or Canada if the majority feels that would be better (sigh). Liz

Chris, What a wonderful idea...A 300 year reunion of the Irish Palatines...I hope I will be able to participate in such an event...It would be great getting to meet everyone...I'm sure there are others that feel the same way...I'm afraid it would take more than one person to organize such a thing....it would take a committee...and probably a lot of discussion. It's a great idea to kick around though... Carole Ruckle Richardson

The following surnames are included in the Top Five Queries at http://www.germanmigration.com/queries/selected/current.asp BAUER * EHRIG * HINZ * KRAMER * NICOLAUS / NICOL * OHRT * RUHNKE * RUOFF * SCHMIDT * SWEEDMAN / SCHWEDTMANN / SCHWERDTMANN * TSCHUDI / JUDY * VON EINEM * WITT / WITTE The following surnames are included in the Top Five Queries at http://www.irishmigration.com/queries/selected/current.asp COLLENDER * CONNER / CONNOR * FINE * LAMB * LOGAN * LONG * McCANDLESS * McCLEVE * McCORMICK * McDERMOTT * MAGOVERN * MAGOOHAN * PATTERSON * PHELAN * WHITE On both sites, new selections are featured each month. Also see Other Top Five Queries, linked from the same page. You may also wish to review Query of the Week, the list of Books and Other Sites. Good luck with your research! Diana Church http://www.genealogyresources.net/default.asp

Hey, Carole, Liz and Chris! ><<Chris, What a wonderful idea...A 300 year reunion of the Irish >Palatines.....I'm afraid it would take more than one person to organize >such a thing....it would take >a committee...and probably a lot of discussion.>> How great that the three of you have volunteered to be the steering committee for the big party come 2009. We all thank you for your generosity!!! How 'bout it, all? Didn't you hear them volunteer??? <lol> And Chris... so glad you enjoyed your sojourn to CA. Noticed the difference in your terminology, too. Whatever happened to the "colonies" references? And were you able to deal with the American accents in expressing the different sort of English in vogue on this side of the Pond? <bg> Thanks for sharing the follow-up stories re. the tablecloth and the big event. It's great to hear of such a wonderful serendipitous experience! Thanks, too, for the chuckles. You write very well, and we all appreciate having a chance to smile together... Have a great weekend, all... Susan

I don't know what film you are talking about but there are references to some of the people you are talking about in "The Biddinger. Bittner, Biddinger, and Bidinger Families and Their Kin of Garrett County, Maryland". page 548: Ruckle Family Henry Ruckle, Sr., (Apr. or May of 1790-Dec. 19, 1865) was born in Ireland. He married Catharine Stark on April 29, 1813; their marrieage was noted in parish records at the town of Kilfinane, in county Limerick, Ireland. Catharine (1788 or-Jan. 23, 1850) was also born in Ireland. It is said that she was "always called Kitty". etc. etc. etc....... ****There is much in the book about this family******* page 637: (5) David "Dave" Custer (June 6, 1811-Nov. 27, 1872), Married Margaret "Peggy" Stark (1807 or 1808-Apr. 22, 1889) ****There are also marriage entries for two of their children in the book******* There are also listings for a John, Peter and George in this book...No Nicholas, Jarvious or Agnes that I could see in my quick search. Is this the kind of information you are looking for? I am leaving in a couple of hours for West Virginia but will be back on Sunday evening...Let me know if I can look up anything for you... Carole

In a message dated 8/16/2001 10:20:54 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > unk parents (father d. Ire./ mother d. on ship coming over) > 1) Henry STARK (the oldest brother. poss. m. Ire.). > 2) Nicholas STARK. > 3) Jarvius STARK. > 4) John STARK. > 5) Peter STARK. > 6) George STARK. (born in 1812). > 7) Margaret "Peggy" STARK.b. 1808 Ire. Married in 1834 Md. > 8) Catherine STARK called "Kitty". > 9) Agnes STARK (the youngest sister). > I copied the index last night while at the center. There's a Stack in the group, would that help?

Hi Shannah, Here's a link that can tell you more than I can. I know when I visited Columbia many years ago, I loved it. Regards, Judy McIntyre California http://www.sierra.parks.state.ca.us/history.htm

LizHaren, =;o) Is it possible to check the film for the names below??? This has been a very hard family to shake loose. unk parents (father d. Ire./ mother d. on ship coming over) 1) Henry STARK (the oldest brother. poss. m. Ire.). 2) Nicholas STARK. 3) Jarvius STARK. 4) John STARK. 5) Peter STARK. 6) George STARK. (born in 1812). 7) Margaret "Peggy" STARK.b. 1808 Ire. Married in 1834 Md. 8) Catherine STARK called "Kitty". 9) Agnes STARK (the youngest sister).

I have the Ardcanny, Limerick Church (COI) Records Index film on loan at my local FHC. If anyone wants me to look something up just let me know :)

From Liz Haren: > I have one burning question tho, how does one know when a chicken gets a sore > head? > Hi Liz. I think I have the answer, learned from my Palatine farmer grandfather - WHEN YOU'VE HIT IT ON THE HEAD WITH A TABLECLOTH - that's when you know your chicken has a sore head. Love from Di (Usually studying Shier, Le Gear, Barkman in Ireland (Adare) - finding some interesting links to Pyper too, at the moment, thanks to Terry's interest!)

Dear List Just got back from my flying visit to California for the family wedding and thought I'd dash off this quick report. Firstly, I think this list has really perked up with all the instances of serendipity coming in. Wow!! I'm fairly pragmatic but can all this REALLY be coincidence? Anyway, the "even spookier stuff". One of our ancestors was a Dr Louis LeGear, son of a LeGear that went to Ontario in 1843. He qualified as a veterinarian in Toronto. He practised in St Louis, Missouri and also started the "Doctor LeGear Medicine Company" in the late 1800s manufacturing Veterinary products which he, and his brothers, hawked from wagons they used to travel around in to farms and ranches in the West. The Company is long defunct. The day after the wedding the largest known collection of LeGears to be in the same place at the same time decided to go up to a Town called Columbia, which some of you may know. It's an old Western Town which has been preserved and is still used for films (High Noon, The Unforgiven etc). The Drug Store is preserved with authentic products from the times behind glass cases. In the middle of the middle shelf of the middle case was a tin of Doctor LeGear's Sore Head Powder for chickens. The wedding was full of stuff like this. for instance, both families originated in Southern California, although hundreds of miles apart. The bride and groom met at UCLA. It was only at the wedding that the bride's father found out another amazing link. As a boy his close friend that lived next door moved away with his family to another part of the state when he was about 12 years old. As kids do, they lost touch. That boy became the best friend, as a teenager, of the grooms's father. I was amazed at the United States and the people I met there. It and they were fabulous and it was a privelege for me to be able to visit such a wonderful country. Chris LeGear _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

In a message dated 01-08-16 12:50:35 EDT, [email protected] writes: << In the middle of the middle shelf of the middle case was a tin of Doctor LeGear's Sore Head Powder for chickens. >> Holy cow!!! Thats amazing! You must have been thrilled! Was it hard for you to leave it there? did you get a picture at least? Did you like California? That was a quick trip! Personally, northern California ranks right up there with Ireland as among my favorite places on earth. How did they like the antique tablecloth? I have one burning question tho, how does one know when a chicken gets a sore head?

Harriette - my new and bestest friend in the whole wide world. I guess by reading that you know I want something, right? I just love your offer of the cemeteries in Brock Twsp. Well, do you know of the following names? Tipp - not Nancy, married to Robert Oliver, but any other? or Fretz? I live in Lindsay, but have just gotten out of hospital with a heart thingy so I'm restricted to housework for the next couple of weeks, yeah, right! But just give your list a quick glance for me, ok? Thanks bunches. Marilyn Willette ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:15 AM Subject: [IP] St.Mary's Cemetery, Ontario > Hello list: > > Had an opportunity to visit the Cemetery in St.Mary's Ontario. Site > of the Perth County, Blanshard Township, Palatine Settlement. I > have pictures of the following gravestones > 1. Clara Annetta Doupe 1892-1952 > 2. Robert W. Sparling b.1840 > 3. Robert Joseph Sparling b. 1869 > 4. Samuel Sparling b. 1897 > 5. Eva M. Sparling b. 1869 > 6. Richard Switzer b. Mar. 28, 1874 > 7. Adam Switzer b. Apr. 23, 1862 > 8. Reuben Switzer d. Jan. 4, 1904 aged 80 yrs. 4 mos. > 9. Peter J. Switzer 1862 - 1948 > 10. Charles C. Teskey 1879-1952 > 11. Edward Delmage and wife Eliza Lennox > 12. Emily A. LeGear 1872-1945 > 13. Spearin family stones. > > If anyone would like a scanned copy of any of these please contact > me privately. > I also have access to cemeteries in the Brock Township, Old > Ontario County area. > > Regards, > Harriette > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people. >

Hello list: Had an opportunity to visit the Cemetery in St.Mary's Ontario. Site of the Perth County, Blanshard Township, Palatine Settlement. I have pictures of the following gravestones 1. Clara Annetta Doupe 1892-1952 2. Robert W. Sparling b.1840 3. Robert Joseph Sparling b. 1869 4. Samuel Sparling b. 1897 5. Eva M. Sparling b. 1869 6. Richard Switzer b. Mar. 28, 1874 7. Adam Switzer b. Apr. 23, 1862 8. Reuben Switzer d. Jan. 4, 1904 aged 80 yrs. 4 mos. 9. Peter J. Switzer 1862 - 1948 10. Charles C. Teskey 1879-1952 11. Edward Delmage and wife Eliza Lennox 12. Emily A. LeGear 1872-1945 13. Spearin family stones. If anyone would like a scanned copy of any of these please contact me privately. I also have access to cemeteries in the Brock Township, Old Ontario County area. Regards, Harriette

List. Here is a good Canadian site you might want to look at...There are over 3,000 online complete books and phamplets with some great reading and information. I spent a lot of time last year reading and copying.... http://www.canadiana.org/ for starters: click on English click on site map click on 1. ECO collection type in your surname or whatever. I think this site is fascinating....It contains a lot of great information. Hope it helps someone find some of their families information... Carole

Thanks Denise for your corrections. Mary -----Original Message----- From: Sparling <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Thursday, August 09, 2001 2:30 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Sparling Family >Mary, > > Thank you for your information. There are just a couple of things I do >not think are correct: > >1. William R. b. 1917 was not a member of this family. >2. Norah Maude would have been born in October 1892 as she was only 1 month >old on arrival at Ellis Island in November of that year. >3. The Henry Thomas referred to in the "Irish Times" was the father of Henry >Edwin Thomas. He was in business in Scariff at the time while Henry Edwin >Thomas lived first at Clonusker and then at Portumna. The business in >Scariff is still in existence and is run by my husband. > >Denise >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mary Wallace <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, August 08, 2001 3:59 AM >Subject: Re: [IP] Sparling Family > > >> I Denise >> >> This is what I have on your family >> >> 1C8M3. Henry Edwin Thomas Sparling b. 1857 m. 1878 at Ballinasloe, >> Kilalooney Parish Matilda Ronaldson daughter of John Ronaldson, gentleman >> farmer. They lived at Clonusker until about 1888 but in 1890 he was a >> merchant of Killimore, near Portunna, County Galway. He sympathized with >> the tenants at the time of the Bodyke evictions in 1887, as reported in >the >> Times of 3 Jun 1887 "Henry Sparling, a Protestant Nationalist from Scafiff >> seconded the resolution which was passed". All of this family must have >> emigrated as no death has been found for the parents in Ireland and the >last >> known sighting is the 1897 Dublin death. [209] >> >> 1C8M3A. Ellen (Nellie) Peacock Sparling b. 1879 >> 1C8M3B. George Frederick Sparling b. 19 May 1880 d. 1970 m. Martha I. >> 1890-1970. They lived in Fairfield, Connecticut >> 1C8M3B1. William R. Sparling b. 18 Oct 1917 Bridgeport, Connecticut m. 19 >> Oct 1940 in Bridgeport Louise Pisty. >> >> 1C8M3C. Elizabeth Marion Sparling b. 6 Apr 1881 >> 1C8M3D. Isabella (Bella) Frances Sparling b. 18 May 1882 >> 1C8M3E. Emily Florence Sparling b. 20 Mar 1883 d. 24 Mar 1883, 4 days >> 1C8M3F. John Sparling b. 9 Aug 1884 d. 10 Aug 1884, 1 day >> 1C8M3G. Cathleen Sparling b. 1 Apr 1886 d. 13 Apr 1886, 12 days >> 1C8M3H. Henry Thomas Sparling b. 1 Apr 1887 d. 1897, 11 years, in South >> Dublin. >> 1C8M3I. William John Sparling b. 20 Mar 1888. His descendants appear to >be >> in New Zealand >> 4D2N3J. Catherine (Katty) Sparling b. 21 Feb 1889 >> 1C8M3K. Norah Maude Sparling b. 2nd quarter 1891, registered as born in >> Portumna. >> >> >> All of the above came from Kathleen Bryant of London, England. Not much >> beyond what was in your email but perhaps a little help. >> >> Mary Wallace >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sparling <[email protected]> >> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> >> Date: Monday, August 06, 2001 7:43 AM >> Subject: [IP] Sparling Family >> >> >> >I have been trying to trace a "missing" branch of the SPARLING Family for >> >many years, and discovered a week ago that they were passengers on the >> >"Teutonic" from Queenstown, Cork to Ellis Island, arriving on 23rd >> November, >> >1892. The family consisted of: >> > >> >Henry E. - b.1857 (younger brother of my husband's g-g-grandfather) >> >Matilda - b. 1860 >> >Ellen (Nellie) - b. 1879 >> >George Frederick - b. 19/5/80 >> >Elizabeth Marion - b. 6/4/81 >> >Isabella (Bella) - b. 18/5/82 >> >Henry Thomas - b. 1/4/87 >> >William John - b. 20/3/88 >> >Catherine (Katty) - b. 21/2/89 >> >Norah - b. Oct.1892 (was only one month old on arrival) >> > >> >All of the children except Ellen and Norah were baptized in our local C. >of >> >I. church in Tuamgraney Co. Clare, including three others (Emily, John >and >> >Cathleen born between 1883 and 1886 and lived 9 days, four months, and 12 >> >days respectively as their deaths are also recorded). >> > >> >I would be extremely grateful to anyone who could give me any news of >what >> >happened to members of this family, or news of their descendants. I did >> >find details in the Social Security Death Index of a George Sparling who >> >died in Connecticut in July 1964 and whose birthdate matches that of our >> >George Frederick. >> > >> >Denise Sparling >> > >> > >> >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >> >List Administrator: >> >Susan Laursen Willig >> >[email protected] >> > >> > >> >> >> ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >> To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: >> [email protected] >> Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and >body of the message. >> >> > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >[email protected] > >

Spooky- Genes- Or Ancestors...... What do you think We received a old chair that was used by William Miller, who had been injured... He was Sec.Tres. of Blanshard township in Ont. for many years. This chair had been handed down to another lady,we paid her a visit couple of years ago. On impulse she said would you like this chair, it is just a chair but it belonged to your husbands gr. gr. grandfather... We were thrilled. She told she had very little information, but would share the papers she had-which were few, but did have a picture..that had been handed down, old and yellow.This she also gave us the original. About three years ago I started a search for the Miller roots,(two years before we were given the picture and chair) Two years later this wonderful gift. On the back of the picture written in pencil, that has long ago faded. Three words To: Polish. something we cannot make out. I am POLISH...looking for the Irish family... Go figure... Mary