Hi Here's a thought. But, as usual, it's a bit long-winded and possibly at times a little overweening. But who cares? I've found a platform. You can push me off or just walk by. (It's still shorter than a Rootsweb Review). The choice is yours. I feel sure there must be some out there who think "why doesn't he go away and write a column for the Irish Ancestor, or something". Well, I know they wouldn't have me, for a start - and anyway, I'm happy here. I don't know about you, but this splendid List is SO consuming. I know, for instance, that I can wake up and sit in the kitchen finding my head for an hour or so in the morning; I can then cart a coffee upstairs to my ever more sublime office and call up the ISP for e-mail. Almost invariably there is something, but even on quiet days the leaden heartbreak of abandonment no longer assails me. I just know you're there. I'll bet you all remember the strangled message of despair to the List back in - was it June? - when one regular caller (speaking for us all) asked, with an audible croak, if somebody had "unsubscribed" her…. Quietly, almost surreptitiously, out of the sweltering depths of AridZona came the cool reply of reassurance from Admin: easy - everyone's hunkered down from the heat. And the world came back from a bag of shattered dreams as (even in the torrid rains of July in England) everyone calmed down and settled in front of their scrapbooks for the time being. My postlady has accused me of gross, uncaring disloyalty and even snubs me occasionally - just because I no longer crash down the driveway like a maddened bull mastiff to relieve her of armfuls of map tubes, BMD copies and books, CDs and similar gene trinkets. My delightfully tolerant wife, Wendy (not of known German descent) humours my little pastime with the crushing smile of the woman scorned. Friends race to the other side of the street at my approach because, they say, my eyes glaze over when the topic fails to touch upon roots and ancestry and like obsessions. I now find there are even more things in life to forget, or overlook. No-one is more acutely aware than I of the fact that there was a Johan Georg ALTHEIMER (Hs. & V. etc) in the Board of Trade lists in 1709. Don't misunderstand, I'm not mocking that condition of senility - it ravaged the last five years of my father's life, but nobody laughed louder about it than he. The whole point of the genealogical exercise is lost to some degree, I suppose, now that my children and grandchildren no longer get their birthday greetings on time - although I am still the one most relatives refer to when a critical date is needed. Let's face it. I have lived and breathed Palatine since I was a whimper in a diaper (nappy doesn't have the same lyrical touch). Me Daddy talked of nothing else. I was taking copious notes from the age of 3 - once I'd got (gotten?) the pencil the right way round. I was hauled off to Rathkeale a decade later but failed the comprehension test with dismal colours. Even the flying trip to Drogheda to meet my Bovenizer cousins raised little more than a wisp of curiosity. It's taken me 50 years to patch up that significant gap. I've already talked of the seven ages of Piper, but my adolescent years remained largely unencumbered with the taradiddle of family trees; I just got down to the serious business of name propagation in my own preferred way. Am I wandering off the real subject of this message? I don't think so - it is just my tortuous way of getting back to the matter that's been swirling around in my head all weekend (after I'd finished unloading the copious IP mailbox - my bill for printer toner has shot up since I found the List). Ah, yes. The List. Liz put forward the tentative notion of a Palatine Web Site. It's a brilliant idea - and the sheer simplicity of the solution (to avoid toe-crushing) seems to be this: the very strong community that has forged itself through the List over the past 18 months or so could never be seriously threatened. Whatever happens on the sidelines, the List is our permanent bonding medium. It would never be redundant. I see it as the back-office of life, if that doesn't sound too pompous, or silly. The Web site could be our showpiece - our shop-window on the Palatine world…NOCOST.COM on a sliding undercarriage. Gone the insular, parochial, slow-coach route of the single-surname search. We now have enough original Palatine contributors to re-create Rathkeale through the Internet. And, of course, Kilfinane, Brock, Camden Valley and so forth, not to overlook - as always seemed to be the case in the past - our Antipodean cousins. (Incidentally, one very fine lady in NZ recently did me a look-up in Griffith's Valuation and yielded FIVE putative ancestors in Co. Limerick. Now that's cool.). We already have Ruckles, Sparlings, Teskeys, Fitzells, Starks, Switzers, Imphys, Corneils and TWISSS - plus scores of others. The Web Site could be our Castlematrix courtyard - with the List as our meeting-house under the pear tree and the IPA as the blessed Divinity, with the authority and influential contacts which we, as individuals, lack. NO SORE TOES. And Chris as Burgomeister. On the joyful route to 2009 (the Diaspora reversed) we can bring everyone even closer together - whether with a gene to share or just an interest. There must be Schnitzerlings and Doups somewhere out there just fighting to get back in … as I did. I visualize a Web site that is fast and efficient. One that works (there aren't many). Ken has offered his expertise, Susan has pushed forward her chair, whilst the treasured Liz has the IGP in Clare (whatever that is…in truth I ought to know - here's why): In another life I work from home as a translator in IT and telecoms - I can arrange my day as I choose, which is why it might sometimes seem that I have too much time on my hands. Not so. Something has to pay for the beans and the brandy (which, you might be fascinated to learn, I am no longer allowed to touch; no, not the beans - but that's another story, I'll tell you in June 2009 if you're keen to know). Anyway (and here's another confession) the reason I don't leap forward as a volunteer webmaster, or whatever, is that whilst I can tell you all about the "plesiochronous digital hierarchy" and satellite communications and the acronym for ISDN in French or Spanish, I am an absolute donkey when it comes to the practical application of all that garnered wisdom. My fingers turn to plum jam if I'm expected to do anything more on a keyboard than just type words. I can tell you how to splice optical fibres (and fibers), how to patch up telephone exchanges (or central offices) and I can help you lay out your entire LAN, if you wish (even in Russian, if necessary - although not German). But I can bring a scanner to a sullen standstill at the bat of an eye. I have probably fouled up more websites worldwide through my own incompetent downloads than there are Fs in Palatine. Ken will vouch for the fact that even with the finest software on my system I still can't read Excel files. I am simply not safe near a computer when I'm invited to stray outside the mailroom. So, there you have it. If you value your pics and maps, post them to Liz for the Website - not me. I can do the other valeting and footslogging jobs, with pleasure and not a little devotion. I am the antithesis of a nerd. Back to the topic I chose to invoke at the outset. The site could have tabs or windows for our many individual family trees - a veritable pool of all the data we've collected on our own for the benefit of others; a tighter merge-sorted list of Rotterdam departures and London arrivals; negotiated links to the best sites of direct Palatine relevance (the Townlands data base, on-screen maps, memorabilia and photographs - not everyone can get to the Museum in Ireland and some people are understandably reluctant to donate their treasures - together with plans and invitations for the 2009 junket), etc. Bye bye Cyndi's List. Meanwhile, backstage we could babble away as usual and encourage more names to come out of the undergrowth. It would be an absolute scream if we could re-assemble all the key families of, say, the remaining 791 in Dublin and 'disposed into the country' in February 1710, as Tenison Groves reminded us. Whoops - there you go, you see. In my excitement, I mistyped Tenison as tension (which is something we don't encounter on the List, by the way. No pressure. No sweat, but still dynamic). We might even find out what happened to the absconders, the poor returned Catholics, those who loitered in London, the settlers in the New Territories and so on. Well, that's all. Should do for a month, I think. Must go now - there are chores awaiting this liberated man (a steaming bowl of dishes, cardboard washing to bring in from the sun, plumber to pay, the cat to iron and so forth). Bye bye Who else? PS Yes to List. Yes to Web site. Yes to IPA. That IS all. Terry.

Thank you so much everyone, on and off-list, for the help you have given to my queries. We'e heading off to Ireland soon, I only wish it was to our IP particular plot of land! But it's heading to the area where my other Gt Gt Grandparents came from which is quite lovely anyway. Hazel

Hi List A reunion of Palatine descendants in 2009 is a wonderful idea and if possible, I'll be there, even if I happen to be in a wheelchair. But some of the committee members of the IPA in Rathkeale have already discussed the desirability and possibility of such a reunion. They have the contacts and I think any planning should be directed from there -- but they will need lots of help - for ideas, research, arrangements etc. It's great that several of you have offered to help - and I too, am willing to do whatever I can. It's a magnificent idea - people from all over the world, descended from residents of a very small area - working together to plan an event. Would that our 1709'ers could know of it. Mary Wallace

Kent Sparling and Tom Upshaw have co-operated to put thousands of Sparlings in a tree on the Teskey website www.teskey.org Enjoy ! Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected]

Yes--these two questions I would love answered, also! Thank you. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:57 AM Subject: Re: [IP] EVEN SPOOKIER STUFF!! > In a message dated 01-08-16 12:50:35 EDT, [email protected] writes: > > << In the middle of the middle shelf of the middle case was a tin of Doctor > LeGear's Sore Head Powder for chickens. >> > > Holy cow!!! Thats amazing! You must have been thrilled! Was it hard for you > to leave it there? did you get a picture at least? > > Did you like California? That was a quick trip! Personally, northern > California ranks right up there with Ireland as among my favorite places on > earth. How did they like the antique tablecloth? > > I have one burning question tho, how does one know when a chicken gets a sore > head? > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. > >

Mr./Ms. LeGear, Would you, please, tell me just where the town of Columbia is situated? Thank you. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: Christopher Le Gear <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 9:46 AM Subject: [IP] EVEN SPOOKIER STUFF!! > Dear List > > Just got back from my flying visit to California for the family wedding and > thought I'd dash off this quick report. > > Firstly, I think this list has really perked up with all the instances of > serendipity coming in. Wow!! I'm fairly pragmatic but can all this REALLY > be coincidence? > > Anyway, the "even spookier stuff". One of our ancestors was a Dr Louis > LeGear, son of a LeGear that went to Ontario in 1843. He qualified as a > veterinarian in Toronto. He practised in St Louis, Missouri and also started > the "Doctor LeGear Medicine Company" in the late 1800s manufacturing > Veterinary products which he, and his brothers, hawked from wagons they used > to travel around in to farms and ranches in the West. The Company is long > defunct. > > The day after the wedding the largest known collection of LeGears to be in > the same place at the same time decided to go up to a Town called Columbia, > which some of you may know. It's an old Western Town which has been > preserved and is still used for films (High Noon, The Unforgiven etc). > > The Drug Store is preserved with authentic products from the times behind > glass cases. In the middle of the middle shelf of the middle case was a tin > of Doctor LeGear's Sore Head Powder for chickens. > > The wedding was full of stuff like this. for instance, both families > originated in Southern California, although hundreds of miles apart. The > bride and groom met at UCLA. It was only at the wedding that the bride's > father found out another amazing link. As a boy his close friend that lived > next door moved away with his family to another part of the state when he > was about 12 years old. As kids do, they lost touch. That boy became the > best friend, as a teenager, of the grooms's father. > > I was amazed at the United States and the people I met there. It and they > were fabulous and it was a privelege for me to be able to visit such a > wonderful country. > > Chris LeGear > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. > >

Try the site name but ending in .com Ken McDonald http://www.seanruad.com

Ken, this a new website for meand I will surely check it out. I have corresponded with Kent in the past and he was a big help in finding my Sparlings. Sue --- Ken McDonald <[email protected]> wrote: > Kent Sparling and Tom Upshaw have co-operated to put > thousands of Sparlings > in a tree on the Teskey website www.teskey.org > > Enjoy ! > Ken McDonald > 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England > [email protected] > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can�t plough a field merely by turning it over > in your mind. > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

Hi Terry > I've just read your eloquent and moving email. Thank you so much for putting into words what I, and I'm sure most of the others on this List, feel as well. It was, as I'm sure Del-Boy would say, "La plume du ma tante!!!" Chris Le Gear >From: [email protected] >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re:[IP] with apologies >Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2001 11:21:11 EDT > >Dear Hazel > >That's just what it's like..you've hit the nail on the head. When I read >your >message, I almost wept with the sheer humility of it all. I think most of >us >are on an upward learning curve on this particular List. > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >[email protected] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

I lost the letter requesting a translation of the German inscription, so am sending this out to all. If you could send me the inscription, I could forward it to my mom and ask her to translate. My email is [email protected] Sue Rogers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

here is the site, I got the book it is great!!! I to am a Sparling. My line is through John's forth child on page 111 Jn IV H6 Rebecca http://www.icarus.gen.nz/gen/sparlings/sparling.htm Sue Rogers wrote: > --- Mary Wallace <[email protected]> wrote: > > Thanks Denise for your corrections. > > > > Mary, > Are you related to the Sparlings from Limerick, > Ireland? > My James Sparling was born in Adare, Limerick in 1804. > He was the son of Christopher Sparling and Dorothy > Cornelius. James married Amelia Ball 1826 and they > immigrated first to New Brunswick and then Ontario in > the mid 1800's. Have you heard about the Sparling > book just published? There is a website with the > introductory chapter and a page from which you can > order it. If you are interested, I'll look-up the > website. > Sue Rogers > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. -- Florence Knightin'Gale <(©¿©)> Member of the RTOG (Round Table OF Goodness) My web page http://members.home.net/skid001/

Thanks, it worked. Sue --- Ken McDonald <[email protected]> wrote: > Try the site name but ending in .com > > Ken McDonald > > http://www.seanruad.com > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD > you, > If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo > Emerson > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

--- Mary Wallace <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks Denise for your corrections. > > Mary, Are you related to the Sparlings from Limerick, Ireland? My James Sparling was born in Adare, Limerick in 1804. He was the son of Christopher Sparling and Dorothy Cornelius. James married Amelia Ball 1826 and they immigrated first to New Brunswick and then Ontario in the mid 1800's. Have you heard about the Sparling book just published? There is a website with the introductory chapter and a page from which you can order it. If you are interested, I'll look-up the website. Sue Rogers > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

--- [email protected] wrote: > Shannah > > Following up your query about Bansha: I found the > townland in Kerry through > Ed Finn's wonderful site at > > http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresch > >Shannah, The website wouldn't work for me as you typed it. Came up with an error. Sue Rogers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

There has been some enthusiastic debate about a potential mass gathering in 2009, but there are many years and opportunities before then. The Irish Palatine Association would be very happy to support anyone who wishes to organise a family gathering in Rathkeale. My own experience of arranging reunions in foreign countries has shown how local support and knowledge can help tremendously to open doors, smooth the way through different cultures, and make for a successful and less stressful event. There is a significant difference between Ireland and, say, North America - infrastructure, scale, culture, etc. Anyone who lives outside Ireland who has an embryonic idea about a reunion there, but who does not know what those differences are, or how to go about such a challenge, may find it useful to contact the IPA at [email protected] Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] Do check out www.teskey.org

Liz, I don't think we should be protective and insular, and we should certainly not suppress enthusiasm. I believe we should cast our nets wherever we can. People stumble on the Irish Palatine story, the Irish Palatine Association, and the Irish Palatine enthusiasts through all sorts of routes, but some poor folk never find us at all, so the more linked internet options the better. If you do set this up, I will endeavour to get mentions on the Teskey and IPA sites. Go for it ! Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] Do check out www.teskey.org and www.erin.ie/ipa

Shannah Following up your query about Bansha: I found the townland in Kerry through Ed Finn's wonderful site at http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresch This database will patch together all the townlands, civil parishes, baronies and Poor Law Unions (PLU) in Ireland. You can get a print-out of any number of 60 000+ townlands with the associated details. Yours reads as follows (assuming it's the right one - I'm sure it is): Townland: BANSHAGH Acres: 310 Civil Parish: Killorglin Barony: Trughhanacmy PLU: Killarney and, obviously, County Kerry in the Province of Munster. If you have land there I'm very envious. Here is a delicious snippet about the Palatines in Kerry, taken from the GROVES TRANSCRIPTS which I shall continue to post at intervals soon. The sheer genius of these German immigrants calls for some serious reflection - remember we are dealing with bogland here: ***START HERE*** From J King's History of Co Kerry p.146 Palatines at Arabella in Ballymacelligott parish: Col. Hassett brought a colony of Palatines from Co Limerick about 1746 and settled them near Tralee. About 1776 there were 16 families small farmers. Each settler in 1746 got a cow a horse and everything they wanted for a year, besides having the land for half its value. They introduced ploughing with a wheel plough and planted their potatoes in drills. They brought in cars with wheels as there were only sliding cars before…. ***END HERE*** I think our Jamboree in 2009 should begin with a journey in wooden buckets (along the route suggested by Ken - from start to finish) and we should drift between townlands on sliding cars. What a hoot ... I will do name searches for anyone, not just Hazel, of course. As regards TWISS, I can't tell you much more than Hank Jones does in "The Palatine Families of Ireland". Like the author, I can't find the name in the important London lists - although I have tracked down many others that are missing from the book. If you don't have that information, by the way, I can send it to you off-link. Bye bye, Shannah Terry

I was saying that with tongue-in-cheeky - of course Rathkeale is not more than a few hours drive from anywhere, and if it was known in the area that there was a reunion I'm sure the area residents could be conscripted (is that the correct word?) to put us up? After all, look at the revenue we'd be bringing to the area - we have a couple of hundred or so first cousins from the Detlors alone. Marilyn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken McDonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 2:39 PM Subject: [IP] Irish bogs > Just picking up on a comment from Marilyn yesterday, "I, too, think Ireland > would be the best - but could you find enough bed and breakfast > establishments for all of us? Don't fancy camping out in the bog myself." > > Rathkeale now has an excellent hotel, as well as many good B&B's. The town's > charm is largely due to the lack of change since our ancestors left (as well > as its lovely people), but it can offer modern accommodation and excellent > food. > > So, start thinking about 2009, but why leave Ireland's charm till then ? > > Ken McDonald > 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England > [email protected] Do check out www.teskey.org > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. >

Just picking up on a comment from Marilyn yesterday, "I, too, think Ireland would be the best - but could you find enough bed and breakfast establishments for all of us? Don't fancy camping out in the bog myself." Rathkeale now has an excellent hotel, as well as many good B&B's. The town's charm is largely due to the lack of change since our ancestors left (as well as its lovely people), but it can offer modern accommodation and excellent food. So, start thinking about 2009, but why leave Ireland's charm till then ? Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected] Do check out www.teskey.org

Liz With you all the way, hunk (can you say that to ladies?) :-)) The ubiquitous Piper