Carole, I was serious about that smile :>).... No offense taken. I will now spend the rest of my evening fitting your facts and tidbits into my little family tree. I seem to have aquired yet another Phillip Dulmage. You have been most helpful. Its fascinating how many times these families circle back and inter-marry. Thank you so much for your time. Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 8:03 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Re: Carole's Ruckles > Connie, > > I'm sorry for the way my message came out. I didn't say I didn't care about > the Dulmages...I said I didn't know much about the Dulmages...But then again, > I probably have a lot of information about the Dulmages in the books that I > have...so I apologize for the way my message came across...I will write you > at the email address you gave me to discuss the Ruckles and Dulmages > further.... > > Margrath had three known brothers, Philip, Sebastian and Paul... > . > I have a few Dulmages on my family tree...One of Sebastian's daughters, Ann, > also married a Dulmage---Philip Dulmage.. > > "The Embury Family History and Partial Genealogy", by Edith Berry Embury > doesn't have much on The Embury Sister, Mrs. Jacob Dulmage, Sr. or Jr. > > The following is written about The Embury Sister > > pages 50 & 51 > > quote: > > "No attempt has been made in this work to delineate the Dulmages and separate > the Embury-Dulmage descendants. The Dulmages are numerous and scattered and > would require a single-minded project by an interested descendant. The > following are a few notes gathered mainly from Methodist works and presented > here for anyone wishing to use them. > > We believe that both Jacob Dulmage Sr. and Jr. came with the four Embury > brothers from Ireland in 1760. Both father and son signed the 1763 petition > for land which states the petitioners had been in America for 2 1/2 years. > The signatures are written "Dulmidge." > > The Embury sister's name may have been Margaret. In "Pioneer Life on the Bay > of Quinte" we find this: "Amy Allison, a descendant (of Margaret Dulmage) > says her grandmother suggested she be called Barbara Heck after their > celebrated relative." Whether the grandmother referred to was actually the > sister of the Emburys or a descendant of that sister is not clear. > > Atkinson and Sanderson refer to the sister as Mrs. Dulmage, an indication > that neither author discovered her given name. From them we learn that Mrs. > Dulmage died during the winter of 1809-10, "after sending messages to all her > absent children." > > One daughter, Ann Dulmage, married the Rev. Samuel Coate, Methodist minister, > and they were known as "the handsome couple." Bishop Asbury, in his Journal, > August 7, 1812, wrote: "The wife of our brother, Samuel Coate, had a > daughter born to her, whom I baptized, naming her Sophie." Samuel Coate was > then preaching in Baltimore, Md. > > Sanderson, p. 52, records" "Samuel Cochran, son of Samuel and Ann Coate, > born in Edwardsburgh, Jan. 29, 1808, and baptized by the Rev. Joseph Sawyer, > March 13, 1808." > > And on p. 60: "It was in one of these Saturday night prayer meetings > (Methodist) that Mrs. Coate in her girlhood was converted; and in the old > circuit register are recorded the births and baptisms of all the nine > children." One is prompted to ask: whose nine children? Coates children, > or Ann's brothers and sisters? The circuit register referred to may be for > Oswegotchie, later divided into Augusta and Cornwall. > > Samuel Coate's flowing oratory was said to have been quite an innovation in > the early settlements. He resigned the ministry about 1810, visited England > for a time and died later after surgery. Ann Dulmage Coate afterward married > a Mr. McLean. > > A brother of Ann Dulmage married a Sarah---------?, mentioned in Atkinson p. > 69. > > Some of the Dulmages settled at Augusta and Edwardsburgh. Others, with the > Switzers, Masons, and "other German-Irish Methodists settled in the fertile > region to the west" of Toronto. There were Coates at Trafalgar." > > There is a whole lot of information out there on your family lines just > waiting to be discovered and a whole lot of information that is available > that people are willing to share with you.. > > Welcome to the group, if you want to email me directly my address is: > [email protected] > > Carole > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. >

Hello Fellow Researchers! Here I am, again, asking another question! Would anyone possibly have Bill Jehan's addy by any chance? What I have is: [email protected] Possibly, I had written it down incorrectly! Thank you very much. Shannah

Hello Fellow Researchers! I have just been given some SNAIL MAIL addies of a few remaining cousins in Kerry. I was wondering, please, where would "Bansha" might be. Would I need a map for this? Thank you very much. Shannah

Terry, Are those lookups for everyone or just for Hazel? Thank you. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: Re:[IP] with apologies > Dear Hazel > > That's just what it's like..you've hit the nail on the head. When I read your > message, I almost wept with the sheer humility of it all. I think most of us > are on an upward learning curve on this particular List. Without wishing to > gush - I think it's the best thing that's happened to me for years (perhaps > ever). > > Let me tell you that when I first hit upon the group, by accident, in May (I > suppose), I knew straight away that it had answers I couldn't find elsewhere. > I panicked so much I bombarded Admin with e-mails until I knew I hadn't lost > contact for ever. A bit childish, perhaps, in retrospect. But it mattered. I > remember your name from those early days for me (were you the nice lady who > had land in Kerry?) - I don't know. Just can't remember. At that time I > offered support and was bombarded with mail for many days. I loved it, but > found it hard to keep pace... > > The good thing about the IRL-Palatine List is that it is precisely what Ken > described it as - an open forum: a warm, inviting cluster of buddies you > might say - all intent on finding the missing link(s). But it's much more > than that - it's a kind of hearth to gather around when you choose. Not a > committee that meets every third Wednesday in the year and which re-elects > itself and ponders its navel for the rest of the time. This List is vibrant, > friendly and it's there 24 hours a day - if you want it. Nobody minds if you > go away to sulk, or do some knitting for a change. You can talk nonsense and > they will ignore you sensibly until you've quietened down. It's full of > quietly clever people united by what they see as a common fibre: their > genealogical structure. > > Excuse me if I babble. I think most of my friends here know that Terry can't > say anything in brief. It's an oration or nothing for me. But you can always > skip paragraphs. > > When anything really matters in my messages, I always say: > > ***START HERE*** > > and I haven't said it yet. > > I'm into name tracking at the moment, with a vengeance. If you think you have > Palatine links, let me look up your family from scratch (like 1709). Even if > you don't, or you're not sure - it doesn't matter. (I've stopped consulting > the LDS oracle now, by the way). You can be sure there's someone here who can > point you in the right direction. If you think you do have connections with > European settlers, it's an extra blessing. But just talking to these guys is, > well, serendipitous. (God bless the Admin. dept). > > What names interest you, Hazel? > > ***END HERE*** > > Terry > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >

Beautifully written! Shannah, Beautiful ritish Columbia, Canada--sorry, no pun intended! ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2001 8:21 AM Subject: Re:[IP] with apologies > Dear Hazel > > That's just what it's like..you've hit the nail on the head. When I read your > message, I almost wept with the sheer humility of it all. I think most of us > are on an upward learning curve on this particular List. Without wishing to > gush - I think it's the best thing that's happened to me for years (perhaps > ever). > > Let me tell you that when I first hit upon the group, by accident, in May (I > suppose), I knew straight away that it had answers I couldn't find elsewhere. > I panicked so much I bombarded Admin with e-mails until I knew I hadn't lost > contact for ever. A bit childish, perhaps, in retrospect. But it mattered. I > remember your name from those early days for me (were you the nice lady who > had land in Kerry?) - I don't know. Just can't remember. At that time I > offered support and was bombarded with mail for many days. I loved it, but > found it hard to keep pace... > > The good thing about the IRL-Palatine List is that it is precisely what Ken > described it as - an open forum: a warm, inviting cluster of buddies you > might say - all intent on finding the missing link(s). But it's much more > than that - it's a kind of hearth to gather around when you choose. Not a > committee that meets every third Wednesday in the year and which re-elects > itself and ponders its navel for the rest of the time. This List is vibrant, > friendly and it's there 24 hours a day - if you want it. Nobody minds if you > go away to sulk, or do some knitting for a change. You can talk nonsense and > they will ignore you sensibly until you've quietened down. It's full of > quietly clever people united by what they see as a common fibre: their > genealogical structure. > > Excuse me if I babble. I think most of my friends here know that Terry can't > say anything in brief. It's an oration or nothing for me. But you can always > skip paragraphs. > > When anything really matters in my messages, I always say: > > ***START HERE*** > > and I haven't said it yet. > > I'm into name tracking at the moment, with a vengeance. If you think you have > Palatine links, let me look up your family from scratch (like 1709). Even if > you don't, or you're not sure - it doesn't matter. (I've stopped consulting > the LDS oracle now, by the way). You can be sure there's someone here who can > point you in the right direction. If you think you do have connections with > European settlers, it's an extra blessing. But just talking to these guys is, > well, serendipitous. (God bless the Admin. dept). > > What names interest you, Hazel? > > ***END HERE*** > > Terry > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >

List Having comfortably despatched one promising old-timer on the List, I shall be popping down to Talbot for a few days (can't find it on the map - ergo, smaller than Lincs Europe) to see the Cunninghams - just to make sure they don't leave us now they have all the gen. [Jacqui: gi'the'kittle on, mate. You've no idea what happened to me last night when you were safely hunkered down in that Victorian bed (23.57). Had a stalker. One of the nicest people you could wish to meet. But I was afraid to get up this morning. I checked the street for news teams from ABC and cancelled my subscription to Time magazine (they were sure to pan me). I will explain all]. T xxx

Hi, Mary - If you open the web site in your browser window, you should then be able to save that page without trying to open it in any other program. With the desired page open, click on the word "File" and then "Save As". That will allow you to save the image in a folder of your choosing. Another possibility is to do a "copy" of the information on the page and then "paste" it into a Notepad document. Good luck! Susan At 05:03 PM 8/21/01 -0700, you wrote: >Hello to all.... Need some advise....I am having trouble opening Irl.Pal. >...Rathkeale #2 School site. ..when I try and open in note pad.. will not >work.. am confused as to how I should be downloading page on desk >top.Unable to read any information. Help will be appreciated. >Thank-you >Mary... (searching the Miller line)

Thanks Carole.... Oh Joy! A birthdate for Casper and a brother for Margarath. Although my feelings are hurt that you don't care about my Dulmages' :>), I appreciate your dedicated search for Casper and anything you have to share about our common history would be very much appreciated. My e-mail is [email protected] I'm afraid I'm too much of a newbie to have much to offer, but if opportunity permits in the future, I promise to gladly share and give credit to someone else on the hunt. Connie ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2001 12:58 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Fraser asked ..Dulmage/Ruckle > Connie, > I am a Ruckle descendant and the Ruckle/Ruckel/Ruttle line has been traced > back to Casper Ruckel born 1660 in Germany... > Your ancestor Margrath Ruckel Embury and my ancestor Sebastian Ruckel were > brother and sister...their father's name was Casper Ruckel.. > The house in Ireland where Sebastian Ruckel migrated with his father Casper > Ruckel and their families is still standing and still lived in by > Ruttles.(the Irish spelling).. > The Embury's lived within sight of the Ruckels in Limerick..The Embury > homeplace is in ruins...but there is a nice plaque on the grounds... > I am in the process of looking for a needle in a haystack in the German > Church records.."Casper Ruckel"...I have spent the last year searching and > hopefully someday he will be found... > My line goes from Casper Ruckel, Sebastian Ruckel, John Ruckle, Thomas > Ruckle, William Hogarth Ruckle, Thomas Jefferson Ruckle, George Lee Ruckle, > Homer Clay Ruckle, Everett Britton Ruckle, to myself Carole Elaine Ruckle > Richardson. > My Ruckle line migrated to Baltimore, Maryland in the early 1790's from > Ireland...at least that is the first trace we found of them in Maryland...I > still live in Baltimore, Maryland.... > I have other info to share if you are interested in Ruckle history, but I > don't know much about the Dulmage line... > Carole > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. >

Hello to all.... Need some advise....I am having trouble opening Irl.Pal. ...Rathkeale #2 School site. ..when I try and open in note pad.. will not work.. am confused as to how I should be downloading page on desk top.Unable to read any information. Help will be appreciated. Thank-you Mary... (searching the Miller line)

Hello My Friends, This list makes it feel as if we are all dear old friends. I would like to add my warm welcome to Cyndi, Connie and Armand. I haven't had much input, but have received heaps of help and information from list members, and I suspect you will too. My line is the CORNEILLE line but only through my maternal gggrandmother. She married a SMITH of all things. It actually took this list to help me sort out where she came from. My John Corneille SMITH came to Victoria, Australia, after first heading to the U.S.A. to fight in the Civil War. I assume he had relatives there, but have not been able to trace his movements, as most records I've looked at don't include the middle name. (Brick wall number 1013, LOL) I think a web site linked to the list would be great, we have one on the Aussie-Gen-Research list and it is a great help with links etc. That was set up by a volunteer list member on rootsweb and seems well patronised. Unless I win the lottery, I don't think I'll be at the 2009 reunion, but my thoughts and best wishes will be with everyone there. Keep up the good work and the friendly atmosphere of this list, it is wonderful. Cheers Jacqui Cunningham Central Victoria http://www.oldnewscopy.com "It's Old News!"

Connie, I am a Ruckle descendant and the Ruckle/Ruckel/Ruttle line has been traced back to Casper Ruckel born 1660 in Germany... Your ancestor Margrath Ruckel Embury and my ancestor Sebastian Ruckel were brother and sister...their father's name was Casper Ruckel.. The house in Ireland where Sebastian Ruckel migrated with his father Casper Ruckel and their families is still standing and still lived in by Ruttles.(the Irish spelling).. The Embury's lived within sight of the Ruckels in Limerick..The Embury homeplace is in ruins...but there is a nice plaque on the grounds... I am in the process of looking for a needle in a haystack in the German Church records.."Casper Ruckel"...I have spent the last year searching and hopefully someday he will be found... My line goes from Casper Ruckel, Sebastian Ruckel, John Ruckle, Thomas Ruckle, William Hogarth Ruckle, Thomas Jefferson Ruckle, George Lee Ruckle, Homer Clay Ruckle, Everett Britton Ruckle, to myself Carole Elaine Ruckle Richardson. My Ruckle line migrated to Baltimore, Maryland in the early 1790's from Ireland...at least that is the first trace we found of them in Maryland...I still live in Baltimore, Maryland.... I have other info to share if you are interested in Ruckle history, but I don't know much about the Dulmage line... Carole

In a message dated 01-08-21 10:55:54 EDT, you write: << As David Henry Thoreau said: don't you ever go to bed? LOL (that's mine). Terry >> hehehe...no! So get you ready for Ireland, all of you. I'll have you up to all hours. Actually, I probably have your hours. I go to sleep early and am up at 5-6am. I'm usually doing pit stops on the computer between a project I'm working on at home AND I usually have my email open here at my desk during the day, so I get a chuckle now and then. Which, funny enough, is Accounting - little did you all know how close that Treasurer job was for me :) Off to budget forecasting....see ya

Jacqui Another thought. You seemed a bit piqued by the name SMITH being in your tree. There is, of course, a strong possibility that this too is of Palatine origin. There were stacks of them queuing for tickets in Rotterdam in 1709 (Schmidt, Smit, etc). As you will see, your Corneils pre-date the famous '09 emigration, since they were already tending their plots in Killeheen 30 years before our laggards turned up. This gives weight to the widely-held belief that CORNEIL was of Huguenot extraction. But religion seems not to have hampered the warmest relations with the late arrivals. You will note, for instance, on p. 3 of that gigantic Uregina tome that a John Piper carted off an Elizabeth C in 1783 (incidentally, John was the elder brother of my direct ancestor Jacob/James Piper. I have still to find the maiden name of Jacob's wife Elizabeth, if anyone can help there. Even the marvellous Mary Wallace doesn't know that one). Now, Liz: As David Henry Thoreau said: don't you ever go to bed? LOL (that's mine). Terry

In a message dated 01-08-21 09:58:54 EDT, you write: << Have fun with it, Jacqui, then send your surfboard back to Bondi. >> LOL Terry, you definitely hear a different drummer!!

Terry, I checked out the Corneil site and sure enough, it says that Adam Cornelius was born in Limerick circa 1680, but I wonder......... I notice that all the dates given before 1742 are "circa". Is there any documentation that the family was there that early? Hank Jones says they were part of the 1709 group. I've run into the situation before where people presume that a family has always lived in the same local and make an "educated guess" as to birthplace. The 'World Family Tree' has supplied a lot of misinformed birth dates with its extrapolations too. I raise the red flag only because I labored for years under the mistaken impression (my own) that my direct ancestors had arrived in America on the same ship with Barbara Ruckle Heck. I felt really dumb when it first occurred to me that they may not have arrived much before the earliest records I could find dated 1822. I hope this warning saves someone from trying to climb "stone walls" that don't really exist, or better yet, that the descendants of Adam Cornelius find all the documentation they could ever ask for going back a thousand years.............Karen Opgenorth

Jacqui I can point you to a site for the CORNELIUS family that would give you the perfect excuse to abandon any further thought of genealogical research. It is IMMENSE and offers you a 62-page forensic breakdown of the family tree from 1680 to the present day. How dreary. I would cry if I were offered the same thing for my ancestral roots. There would be no reason to live any more. So don't look at: http://uregina.ca/southamn/corne001.htm Do note that there is no "www." I first hit this site in February but had problems this morning when I checked it out. A rather crusty message from the University of Regina said no search facility was available. So I went to www.google.com, asked for "Corneil Family Report" and up it came. If you're really feeling laid back about it all, they also offer you a million-page name index. Sickening. It must be about midnight in Owstrilier now - so if you're at the keyboard, give it a slam. I'll bet even YOU are in there. This sort of thing brings the genealogy game into bad odour. Have fun with it, Jacqui, then send your surfboard back to Bondi. Affectionately Terry

IP Buddies, If you think it's bad getting weird looks (via email?) when "PALATINE" comes up, think how I feel when somebody responds to local research saying, "Oh sure that's just north of Chicago." Or, even worse, "Your rellies came down Lake Michigan in wooden boats, when?" Walt ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Since Fraser was so kind to inquire: According to what I've gleaned so far (and certainly subject to correction) Margaret Embury (Sister of the famous Philip Embury) was the daughter of Andreas Imberger & Margarath Roeckel. She married Jacob Dulmage son of Gerhardt Dolmetsch and wife Ellenor ??? >From there... Through David, Edward, Benjamin, Henrietta "Myra" (Great-Grandmother...A colorful and interesting woman for her day). Henrietta married Michael Deasy (Irish without the Palatine) and had Robert whose son Dale is my father. Benjamin and his family left Ontario and settled in the Idaho panhandle. I was born across the border at Clarkston Washington and find myself currently residing a few hundred miles away in the center of the state in a small town called Wilson Creek (Pop. 237). So Fraser are you a long-lost cousin of distant or close relation? Curious, Connie >Hi Connie, >Where do you fit in on the Dulmage and Ruckle lines? >Where so you live? >Regards, >Fraser Carr

yeah, right--via wooden boat! :) Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: Walter X McElligott <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:49 PM Subject: [IP] anniversary IPs, I agree w/ Carole, Liz and Chris! How wonderful, to have a 300th-year anniversary reunion of the Irish Palatines! To participate in this event, we will be leaving Chicago (via wood boat as our ancestors left the Palatinate). Via Great Lakes & St. Lawrence Seaway to the Great Pond to who knows where on the Erin Isle. Whoever said the FISSELs were that smart? But it would be great to meet my fellow-Palatine ancestors, regardless of how they get there. Walt God Bless, Walter (Joan) (FITZELL) X. McElligott P.O.B. 161 Peotone, IL 60468-0161 (43 mi S. of Chicago) <[email protected]> or <[email protected]> ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind.

Yes, I heard it loud and clear! LOL Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: SLWillig <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 9:30 AM Subject: [IP] Reunion > Hey, Carole, Liz and Chris! > > ><<Chris, What a wonderful idea...A 300 year reunion of the Irish > >Palatines.....I'm afraid it would take more than one person to organize > >such a thing....it would take > >a committee...and probably a lot of discussion.>> > > How great that the three of you have volunteered to be the steering > committee for the big party come 2009. We all thank you for your > generosity!!! How 'bout it, all? Didn't you hear them volunteer??? <lol> > > And Chris... so glad you enjoyed your sojourn to CA. Noticed the difference > in your terminology, too. Whatever happened to the "colonies" > references? And were you able to deal with the American accents in > expressing the different sort of English in vogue on this side of the Pond? > <bg> > > Thanks for sharing the follow-up stories re. the tablecloth and the big > event. It's great to hear of such a wonderful serendipitous experience! > Thanks, too, for the chuckles. You write very well, and we all appreciate > having a chance to smile together... > > Have a great weekend, all... > > Susan > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people. > >