Yes, Ken. I belong. (I'm feeling a little guilty actually, they've helped me - and for quite a while I've been meaning to try to write something short for the Newsletter/Journal. I really must contact privately you to see what the editor might want.) Regards Di Mitchell ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken McDonald <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 10:25 PM Subject: [IP] Membership of the List and the IPA > The Irish Palatine Association, based in Rathkeale, is interested to learn which of its members also subscribe to the IP mailing list. I would be grateful if all IPA members could please let me know, either through the mailing list or privately. > > Members of the IPA will soon be receiving a Newsletter (by snail mail). > > Ken McDonald > 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England > [email protected] > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >

>The flight to Talbot has been delayed, but the tea > here is first-class and will do for the time being. (The historian Farrar > observed in his History of Limerick (1780) that the Palatines 'sleep between > two beds' - I think he was trying to tell us something.) > You will be waiting some time for that flight, we were fog bound this morning, and with the town population of 250 you will need something to land on the local cricket pitch. BUT that is now the centre for the football till summer time. Onto "two beds" Without dropping quite to the depths of Terry, (he's too deep for me, I get lost LOL) Another old family saying was that waving ones pants over ones partner would get them pregnant. I now think that may have come from the Palatines!! (vbg) I think I will delete the next few messages from Terry unread, I tremble to think what will come up next. The Corneille site was very informative, it will take me a month to go through it all, so thankyou for that one Terry. Cheers Jacqui Way down under.

Hello, Ken I also am a member of IPA. Muriel Baerg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken McDonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:25 PM Subject: [IP] Membership of the List and the IPA > The Irish Palatine Association, based in Rathkeale, is interested to learn which of its members also subscribe to the IP mailing list. I would be grateful if all IPA members could please let me know, either through the mailing list or privately. > > Members of the IPA will soon be receiving a Newsletter (by snail mail). > > Ken McDonald > 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England > [email protected] > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] >

Hello I am looking for information on Nathaniel Bailey , born in Belfast but came to America from Ballybay. Any any one has any information it would be very much appreciated. Thank You Jeannett

Hi Odds and ends here [#S: These are random documents from the 1712-1719 period that you should be able to slot into sequence without difficulty. Since I have them, I have typed them. Comments would be superfluous, I think. Spelling mistakes and typos are as in the original - trust me.] ***START HERE*** Petition after July 1713 of Leicester & Palatines No B. That there are several poor Palatines now in prison on unreasonable Leases, who have been there above a year in a most deplorable condition, and others have come near 100 miles to Dublin for relief, and redress of grievances, by deputation from the rest, of whom some have been here now above 6 months in Dublin, and waited so long till they have been sent to prison for diet and lodging, and remain there at this time without relief, having made repeated applications and are not yet redressed, Though the express words of the Patent enjoin the said Commissioners, to prevent their being imposed upon by reason of their ignorance, But seldom anything but the aforesaid Commissioners meeting together, Nothing appears yet to be done for their relief from the said thraldom and grievances. MAY IT THEREFORE PLEASE your Excellencies and Lordship to take the premises (promises?) into your tender consideration, and to grant such relief to your petitioners and such of the injured Palatines complaining, as to your great wisdom and Justice shall seem meet. And your Petitioners shall ever pray &c Fran. Leicester, Caspar Bauer, Conrad Myer, Conrad Siebart C.S. his mark _______________________ Original Letter No 581 Carton 160 in Record Office Dublin Dated 12 Oct 1716 Appoints as Commissioners for the Palatines in Ireland Charles Earl of Grafton, Henry Earl of Galway The Lord Lieutenant of Ireland the Lord Mayor of Dublin city The Lord Chancellor of Ireland The Commander in Chief of the Army in Ireland, The Chief Justices of the King's Bench & Common Pleas the Chief Baron of the Exchecquer the Attorney General & Solicitor General of Ireland all for the time being the Archbishop of Dublin for the time being Edw Bishop of Tuam, Hugh Earl of Mount Alexander John Bishop of Meath St George Bishop of Clogher the 1st Commissioner for the time being of the Revenue, Isaac Manley Charles Campbell Robert Curtis Abel Ram Samuel Walton Thomas Quin John Page Benjamin Burton John Pearson & John Barkey esqs Sir Thomas Southwell bt. & Oliver St George esq _______________________ No 640 Carton 161 King's Latter dated 12 August 1718 Original King's & Queen's Letters in the Record Office Dublin Renews grant of £624 yearly for 14 years from 28 March 1719 when present grant will expire Recites that The King by King's Letter of 15 June 1715 Renewed Queen Anne's grant of 40s yearly for each Palatine family made by her Letter of 28 March 1712 for 7 years which for 312 families the number they were then reduced to came to £624 yearly That the King made the sum absolutely £624 yearly in 1715 in order that the surplus might be used to maintain a Minister to read the Liturgy of the Church in their own language to them, and also an Agent speaking their language though in 1715 there were less than 312 families That Lord Lieutenant's Letter of 6(?) June last recommended said grant for 14 years more sufficient WARRANT And so We bid you heartily farewell ***END HERE*** Bye bye

Just to let you know that 'some Switzers' cannot be found in Limerick. My children's gggg grandfather Tobias SWITZER 1783/5/7-1867 who married Elizabeth ???? & had 7 children in Ireland and I can't find a trace of them. This SWITZER family came to Ontario in 1825 with Peter Robinson settlers. Did other Palatine families come with Peter Robinson settlers in 1823 & 1825? His emigration papers say he was from Adare. Does anyone know if there are records in Ireland about Peter Robinson settlers? This is my brick wall...... Plus every record that I do find gives him a different birth date. He is buried in St. John's cemetery in Brock twp. Ontario, but lived in Emily twp., Victoria County, Ontario most of his life. His sons were called Christopher, John, Tobias & Amos and daughters Jane, Theresa, Elizabeth & Ann.....so some of them must be family names. I love the chatter on this list [but hard to keep caught up at times...LOL] Terry...did you ever get my parcel????? Canada Post is slow!!!! Barb Milburn from Ontario Canada [email protected] wrote: > > Hello Friends > > ***START HERE*** > > The Switzer family being, to all intents, the most eminent of the Palatine > families to settle in Limerick (with an abundance of documentation, more than > obvious wealth and what the French call 'piston' - i.e. contacts), I have >

Hello Pals, I've been lying low for about a year now but have watched with interest as this list community has become even more vibrant after a strong start the previous spring. I only wish other lists had administrators like Susan to keep things simmering! I am a descendant of Anne SWITZER who married James CUNNINGHAM about 1800 in Adare. They and their large family were part of the Peter Robinson immigration to Canada in 1825 and were settled in Ops Township near Peterborough in Ontario. That much I know for sure. An Internet correspondent wrote me that Anne was the daughter of Adam SWITZER and Barbara DOLMAGE and was born in the early 1780's in Adare. I am looking for documentary evidence on that particular SWITZER-DOLMAGE family apart from anything B. Wesley Switzer or Hank Jones may have written. Is anyone else on the list descended from that particular couple, and have you been able to discover any original documentation which mentions the children in the family? If I can definitively connect 'my' Anne Switzer with this particular family it seems that the genealogical connections are quite clear for the previous century. Robert Rose Toronto

Terry, I am sorry, but, this one, also, says the same thing. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: S. Griggs <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 8:28 PM Subject: TWISS family--Re: [IP] Castle Bla(y)ney > Terry, > > This said, Page Not Found. > > Thank you. > > Shannah > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:54 AM > Subject: [IP] Castle Bla(y)ney > > > > Hi Terry > > > > There is a page that might interest you on Hope Castle, Co. Monaghan > (N.I.), > > which is also known as Blaney (or Blayney) Castle. The site is hosted by > > Archeire - Irish Architecture Online - and you get pictures of that very > > imposing pile... > > > > Try: > > > > http://www.irish-architecture.com/houses_monaghan/hope.html/ > > > > I have also found references through google.com to Co. Fermanagh (as > Margot > > said) and Co. Cork (re. Leixlip) > > > > Terry (apologies) > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, > Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda > >

Mr. McDonald, Thank you very much. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: Ken McDonald <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 12:08 PM Subject: Re: [IP] TWISS family > Try the site name but ending in .com > > Ken McDonald > > http://www.seanruad.com > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > >

Sue, Go down the page and there will be something that will allow you to open it in red. Good luck! Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Rogers <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [IP] TWISS family > > --- [email protected] wrote: > > Shannah > > > > Following up your query about Bansha: I found the > > townland in Kerry through > > Ed Finn's wonderful site at > > > > http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresch > > > >Shannah, > The website wouldn't work for me as you typed it. > Came up with an error. > Sue Rogers > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > >

The Irish Palatine Association, based in Rathkeale, is interested to learn which of its members also subscribe to the IP mailing list. I would be grateful if all IPA members could please let me know, either through the mailing list or privately. Members of the IPA will soon be receiving a Newsletter (by snail mail). Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England [email protected]

Terry, This said, Page Not Found. Thank you. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 12:54 AM Subject: [IP] Castle Bla(y)ney > Hi Terry > > There is a page that might interest you on Hope Castle, Co. Monaghan (N.I.), > which is also known as Blaney (or Blayney) Castle. The site is hosted by > Archeire - Irish Architecture Online - and you get pictures of that very > imposing pile... > > Try: > > http://www.irish-architecture.com/houses_monaghan/hope.html/ > > I have also found references through google.com to Co. Fermanagh (as Margot > said) and Co. Cork (re. Leixlip) > > Terry (apologies) > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > >

Here is my line Descendants of George Sparling 6 George Sparling b: 1688 in Germany d: October 11, 1747 in Ireland Age at birth of last child: 61 est. Age at death: 59 est. .. +Margaret Anna b: Abt. 1692 in Ireland Age at birth of last child: 57 est. .... 7 Philip Sparling b: 1725 in Ireland d: 1754 Age at death: 29 est. .... 7 Elizabeth Sparling b: 1727 in Ireland Age at first Marriage: 20 est. ........ +Toblas Fissell m: 1747 in Ireland Age at first Marriage: ? .... 7 Susannah Sparling b: 1729 in Ireland d: 1771 in Ireland Age at death: 42 est. Age at first Marriage: 20 est. ........ +Christopher Youngman m: 1749 in Ireland Age at first Marriage: ? .... 7 William Peter Sparling b: 1730 in Ireland d: 1821 Age at death: 91 est. .... 7 Christopher Stuffle Sparling b: 1732 in Ireland d: 1787 Age at death: 55 est. Age at first Marriage: 14 est. ........ +Margaret Legier m: 1746 in Ireland Age at first Marriage: ? .... 7 George Sparling b: 1734 in Ireland d: January 1745/46 in Ireland Age at death: 12 est. .... 7 John Sparling b: November 1747 in Ireland d: May 11, 1786 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland Age at birth of first child: 14 est. Age at birth of last child: 36 est. Age at death: 38 est. Age at first Marriage: 14 est. ........ +Catherine ??? b: Abt. 1739 in Parish Ch, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland m: 1761 in Ireland d: August 20, 1784 in Killeheen, Limerick, Ireland Age at birth of first child: 22 est. Age at birth of last child: 44 est. Age at death: 45 est. Age at first Marriage: 22 est. .......... 8 Christopher Sparling b: 1761 .......... 8 Peter Sparling b: January 11, 1764 .......... 8 John Sparling b: November 03, 1765 .......... 8 [2] George Sparling b: August 28, 1768 in Parish Ch, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland d: June 1818 in Parish Ch, Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland Age at birth of first child: 25 est. Age at birth of last child: 50 est. Age at death: 49 est. Age at first Marriage: 24 est. .............. +Elizabeth Ann ??? b: Bet. 1770 - 1775 in Ireland m: Abt. 1792 in Ireland d: Abt. 1812 in Ireland Age at birth of first child: 23 est. Age at birth of last child: 42 est. Age at death: 42 est. Age at first Marriage: 22 est. ................ 9 [3] Peter I Sparling b: 1793 in Kilcooly Parish, Tipperary, Tipperary, Ireland d: January 29, 1861 in Eden Cemetary, Peel County, Toronto Township, Ontario Age at birth of last child: 29 est. Age at death: 68 est. Age at first Marriage: 28 est. .................... +[4] Elizabeth Barry m: Abt. 1821 Age at birth of last child: ? Age at first Marriage: ? ...................... 10 Peter II Sparling .......................... +Mary Hickey ............................ 11 Peter III Sparling ................................ +Mary Ann Freiburger ...................... 10 Susan Sparling b: in Ireland .......................... +Peter Cole b: 1822 ............................ 11 Bessie Cole ............................ 11 ? Cole ...................... 10 George Sparling b: 1822 in Ireland Age at birth of last child: 29 est. .......................... +Katherine Dulmage b: 1826 in Ireland Age at birth of last child: 25 est. ............................ 11 Katherine Sparling Age at birth of last child: ? ................................ +John S. Cope Age at birth of last child: ? ............................ 11 James Sparling b: 1849 in Ireland Age at birth of first child: 28 est. Age at birth of last child: 46 est. Age at first Marriage: 26 est. ................................ +Elizabeth Warren m: 1875 Age at birth of first child: ? Age at birth of last child: ? Age at first Marriage: ? ............................ 11 George Sparling b: 1850 ................................ +Mary Hoburt ............................ 11 Elizabeth Sparling b: July 30, 1851 in Tipperary, Ireland ................................ +Joseph McDonall b: 1843 ................ 9 [5] Samuel Sparling b: Abt. 1795 ................ 9 [6] John Sparling b: Abt. 1798 ................ 9 Jane Sparling b: Abt. 1800 ................ 9 [7] William Sparling b: Abt. 1804 ................ 9 [8] Margaret Sparling b: Abt. 1805 ................ 9 [9] George Sparling b: Abt. 1810 ................ 9 [10] Joseph (William) Sparling b: 1812 in Kilcooly Co. Tipperary, Ireland d: February 10, 1880 in Goderich, Huron Co., Canada Age at birth of first child: 24 est. Age at birth of last child: 50 est. Age at death: 68 est. Age at first Marriage: 24 est. Fact 1: Andi Carter said that her Rebecca's father name was Joseph .................... +[11] Elizabeth Ann Hamilton b: April 24, 1819 in Ireland m: 1836 in Ontario, Canada d: Bet. 1847 - 1899 in Huron Co., Canada Age at birth of first child: 17 est. Age at birth of last child: 43 Age at death: 28 est. Age at first Marriage: 17 est. ...................... 10 Anna Sparling b: Abt. 1836 in Goderich, Huron Co., Canada d: 1869 Age at birth of first child: 20 est. Age at birth of last child: 31 est. Age at death: 33 est. .......................... +[1] James Johnson Age at birth of first child: ? Age at birth of last child: ? ............................ 11 Joseph Johnson b: 1856 ............................ 11 John Johnson b: July 21, 1857 ............................ 11 Mary Johnson b: July 24, 1859 ............................ 11 Margaret Ann Johnson b: November 01, 1862 ............................ 11 Susannah Johnson b: 1866 ............................ 11 Jane M. Johnson b: November 02, 1865 ............................ 11 James Johnson b: 1867 ...................... 10 Elizabeth Jane Sparling b: Abt. 1837 ...................... 10 Margaret Sparling b: Abt. 1839 ...................... 10 Maria Sparling b: Abt. 1841 ...................... 10 Susanna Sparling b: Abt. 1843 ...my ggreatgrandmother....... 10 Rebecca Sparling b: March 18, 1844 in Canada d: June 19, 1911 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co., California Age at birth of first child: 23 Age at birth of last child: 27 Age at death: 67 Age at first Marriage: 21 Cause of death: Valvular disease of the heart 3 years Fact 1: She is buried at Rosedale Cemetery. .......................... +James Redmond b: April 08, 1842 in Canada m: July 04, 1865 in Huron Co., Canada d: October 19, 1905 in Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co., California Age at birth of first child: 25 Age at birth of last child: 29 Age at death: 63 Age at first Marriage: 23 Cause of death: Anasarca Chronic Gastritis Fact 1: He was a Carpenter. ............................ 11 Franklin George Redmond b: September 28, 1867 in Seaforth, Canada d: June 14, 1929 in Anaheim, Orange Co., California Age at birth of first child: 23 Age at birth of last child: 38 Age at death: 61 Age at first Marriage: 21 est. Cause of death: Apoplexy City: Anaheim Country: Orange Fact 1: He is buried at Inglewood Park Cemetery. ................................ +Clara Pierce b: February 14, 1866 in Near Port Huron, St Clair Co., Michigan m: Bet. 1888 - 1892 in Michigan ? d: September 16, 1946 in Hollwood, Los Angeles, Los Angeles Co., California Age at birth of first child: 25 Age at birth of last child: 40 Age at death: 80 Age at first Marriage: 22 est. City: Anaheim Country: Orange Fact 1: She is buried at Inglewood Park Cemetery. Fact 3: Her maiden name was on her sons marriage cert. too. Earl's ............................ 11 Charlotte Redmond b: 1869 in Seaforth Town, Huron Co. Canada d: October 1870 in Seaforth Town, Huron Co. Canada Age at death: 1 est. ............................ 11 William Frederick Redmond b: July 12, 1871 in Canada d: November 06, 1945 in Ventura Co., California Age at birth of first child: 32 Age at birth of last child: 38 Age at death: 74 Age at first Marriage: 22 est. ................................ +Mary C. Jackson b: October 13, 1873 in Canada m: Bet. 1893 - 1897 d: January 25, 1942 in Ventura Co., California Age at birth of first child: 30 Age at birth of last child: 36 Age at death: 68 Age at first Marriage: 20 est. ...................... 10 Louisa Sparling b: June 1848 in Seaforth Town, Huron Co. Canada d: September 09, 1920 in Williston Williams Co., North Dakota Age at death: 72 est. .......................... +[1] James Johnson Age at birth of first child: ? Age at birth of last child: ? ...................... 10 Alice Matilda Sparling b: December 04, 1849 ...................... 10 Isabella Sparling b: November 26, 1850 ...................... 10 Joseph Henry Sparling b: October 07, 1852 d: Unknown Age at death: ? ...................... 10 Mary Sparling b: Abt. 1855 d: Unknown Age at death: ? ...................... 10 George Hamilton Sparling b: December 25, 1856 ...................... 10 James Wesley Sparling b: January 31, 1861 Age at birth of first child: 35 Age at birth of last child: 42 Age at first Marriage: 34 .......................... +Lillian Bryant Johnson m: November 18, 1895 Age at birth of first child: ? Age at birth of last child: ? Age at first Marriage: ? ............................ 11 Winnifred Mary Sparling b: October 25, 1896 in Sault St. Marie Age at first Marriage: 23 ................................ +Harry Gordon Relf m: August 25, 1920 Age at first Marriage: ? ............................ 11 Francis George Sparling b: July 06, 1898 d: December 10, 1980 Age at death: 82 ............................ 11 Lily Sparling b: Abt. 1900 d: March 01, 1902 in Algoma Sault St. Marie District #249 Age at death: 2 est. ............................ 11 Albert Edward Sparling aka: Ted b: September 10, 1901 in Canada d: July 26, 1979 in Whittier, Los Angeles Co., California 90602 Age at death: 77 Age at first Marriage: 39 SS #: 562-42-2887 ................................ +Margaret Elizabeth Eber b: July 14, 1907 in New York m: December 21, 1940 in Toronto d: March 29, 1986 in Los Angeles Co., California Age at death: 78 Age at first Marriage: 33 SS #: 566-46-8747 ............................ 11 James Leonard Sparling b: June 13, 1903 d: 1956 Age at death: 53 est. ...................... 10 Martha Eleanor Sparling b: November 06, 1862 d: Unknown Age at death: ? .......... *2nd Wife of [2] George Sparling: .............. +Elizabeth Switzer m: March 04, 1813 in Adare Parish Church Ireland d: February 21, 1839 Age at birth of first child: ? Age at birth of last child: ? Age at death: ? Age at first Marriage: ? ................ 9 [3] Peter I Sparling b: 1793 in Kilcooly Parish, Tipperary, Tipperary, Ireland d: January 29, 1861 in Eden Cemetary, Peel County, Toronto Township, Ontario Age at birth of last child: 29 est. Age at death: 68 est. Age at first Marriage: 28 est. .................... +[4] Elizabeth Barry m: Abt. 1821 Age at birth of last child: ? Age at first Marriage: ? ................ 9 [5] Samuel Sparling b: Abt. 1795 ................ 9 [6] John Sparling b: Abt. 1798 ................ 9 [7] William Sparling b: Abt. 1804 ................ 9 [8] Margaret Sparling b: Abt. 1805 ................ 9 [9] George Sparling b: Abt. 1810 ................ 9 [10] Joseph (William) Sparling b: 1812 in Kilcooly Co. Tipperary, Ireland d: February 10, 1880 in Goderich, Huron Co., Canada Age at birth of first child: 24 est. Age at birth of last child: 50 est. Age at death: 68 est. Age at first Marriage: 24 est. Fact 1: Andi Carter said that her Rebecca's father name was Joseph .................... +[11] Elizabeth Ann Hamilton b: April 24, 1819 in Ireland m: 1836 in Ontario, Canada d: Bet. 1847 - 1899 in Huron Co., Canada Age at birth of first child: 17 est. Age at birth of last child: 43 Age at death: 28 est. Age at first Marriage: 17 est. ................ 9 Catherine Sparling b: Abt. 1814 ................ 9 Christopher Sparling b: Abt. 1816 ................ 9 James Sparling b: Abt. 1818 .......... 8 Samuel Sparling b: January 26, 1771 .......... 8 Jacob Sparling b: 1773 .......... 8 James Sparling b: 1776 .......... 8 Frances Sparling b: June 14, 1778 in Rathkeale, Limerick, Ireland .......... 8 William Sparling b: 1781 .......... 8 Catherine Sparling b: 1783 .... 7 Catherine Sparling b: 1749 in Ireland .... 7 Peter Sparling Age at first Marriage: ? ........ +Margaret Fissell m: 1754 in Ireland Age at first Marriage: ? Sue Rogers wrote: > Gayle, > Who are your Sparlings? > Sue Rogers > --- Gayle <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Connie and ALL > > I to am new to the list. I just found out my line is > > in the IP roots too. I am Sparling. My family went > > to Canada. > > I am in California. I still can not believe how much > > I have found out about my family so far. I just hope > > some day some one in the family will want to go on > > and do more from where I leave off from. My mother > > thinks I am nuts, and no one wants me to talk about > > it much any more. I think they just wish I would > > keep it to my self. Oh > > well. It is nice to see that there are others that > > love to do this as much as I do. I am glad to be > > able to read all of the great stories you have to > > share. I think we are all meant to find each other > > in this way. OUR LOST FAMILIES > > Gayle in USA > > > > > > Florence Knightin'Gale <(©¿©)> > > Member of the RTOG (Round Table OF Goodness) > > My web page http://members.home.net/skid001/ > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > The greatest influence in your life, stronger even > > than your will power, > > Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. > > Paramahansa Yogananda > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers -- Florence Knightin'Gale <(©¿©)> Member of the RTOG (Round Table OF Goodness) My web page http://members.home.net/skid001/

Hi, good friends A sober assessment of the relationship between the Irish Palatine Association, (Rathkeale) and the Irish Palatine List (hosted by rootsweb.com) follows, based on the views of one contributor/subscriber to that List. To begin with, I think perhaps we are expecting too much of the IPA. I regard it as an authority, first and foremost: a reference point, an efficient organizing body and a hugely beneficial focus for all things Palatine to all descendants of the dispossessed German community of 1709ers. That's us. The Association (I believe) boasts more than 7 000 members worldwide. It was founded and its day-to-day business is conducted chiefly, I am told, by one very dedicated man. I have never met the Chairman, Austin Bovenizer, but on the occasions when I have spoken with him by 'phone, I have found him to be a very gentle-mannered, courteous, obliging and informative man. I hope he will forgive me for talking about him when he is in no real position to know what I am saying, or to answer back. But I do intend to speak about this when we meet in the very near future - and, more to the point I shall offer my services if they might be needed. In the meantime, I do feel the need to come to his defence if criticism is directed at him (or the Association he represents) in our busy little corner, however muted. I suspect I might be to blame to some degree and I regret that. But, quite simply, I know of several members like me who feel bereft to some degree because our only contact with something we want to be more involved with is an annual journal (excellent, but usually late) and an out-of-date Newsheet. My point here is that our List fills that gap to some significant degree. The List poses no threat, it is dynamic and - I've made the point often - it's there on the doormat all day, every day. It's warm, friendly and it's here - now. Like the Association, it doesn't focus solely on the residual Irish Palatines in Limerick, Wexford, Tipperary and Kerry, etc., it reaches out to the far more widespread family of emigrés, extending to North America, Australasia and beyond. And there's the fun of it. We can see that in everyone's wonderful messages. But the Association takes care of many more matters. It preserves, maintains and constantly builds upon a base of original Palatine documents, artefacts, homesteads and suchlike. It arranges conferences, seminars and tours/excursions, etc. The range of activities is truly vast and while there are many helpers on the ground, the sense of responsibility must surely be immense. More to the point (although no-one mentions it, or seems to consider it), the Association achieves all this on a sorely limited budget. To be honest, how many of us know of a similar organization anywhere in the world that demands such a meagre fee for membership dues? Barely the cost of a parcel and a couple of postage stamps, if you think about it. Yet I have never heard of any request for more. Credit where it's due, I think (in more than one way). I am saying all this (verbose as ever), but I felt the need to weigh in before anything calamitous threatened. We need the Association and we need the List. I see no conflict there - but I understand too the need to be able to talk to the IPA, yet there is no medium. Perhaps I was wrong to say anything at all, but I did feel provoked a little by (occasional but constant) suggestions that I should join when I was already a member. In truth, my activities here on the List are my affair - sorry, OUR affair. Kick me off, if you wish. I'll go quietly (anyway, I'm nearing the coast of southern Australia now - in my dreams). Tell me where I went wrong. If I did. Bye bye Terry

Thank you ever so much for your kind advise, and help.A very special thankyou Terry for sending along the information. A very big thanks to Ken & Janice McDonald for their long hours of work in the transcription... This is one gal who will enjoy all of it. Again thanks, shall pass the favor on. Mary

Ken. I'm a member of The Irish Palatine Association and on the IP mailing List. Berta Callender, a cousin, made me aware of the Association some time ago. I endorse her recommendation to join the Association. Armand Haley ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken McDonald" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 4:25 PM Subject: [IP] Membership of the List and the IPA > The Irish Palatine Association, based in Rathkeale, is interested to learn which of its members also subscribe to the IP mailing list. I would be grateful if all IPA members could please let me know, either through the mailing list or privately. > > Members of the IPA will soon be receiving a Newsletter (by snail mail). > > Ken McDonald > 2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England > [email protected] > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >

Sue, Thank you so much for the enclosed. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: Sue Rogers <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [IP] TWISS family > > --- [email protected] wrote: > > Shannah > > > > Following up your query about Bansha: I found the > > townland in Kerry through > > Ed Finn's wonderful site at > > > > http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresch > > > >Shannah, > The website wouldn't work for me as you typed it. > Came up with an error. > Sue Rogers > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger > http://phonecard.yahoo.com/ > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > My folks didn't come over on the Mayflower, but > they were there to meet the boat. Will Rogers > >

Gayle, Who are your Sparlings? Sue Rogers --- Gayle <[email protected]> wrote: > Hi Connie and ALL > I to am new to the list. I just found out my line is > in the IP roots too. I am Sparling. My family went > to Canada. > I am in California. I still can not believe how much > I have found out about my family so far. I just hope > some day some one in the family will want to go on > and do more from where I leave off from. My mother > thinks I am nuts, and no one wants me to talk about > it much any more. I think they just wish I would > keep it to my self. Oh > well. It is nice to see that there are others that > love to do this as much as I do. I am glad to be > able to read all of the great stories you have to > share. I think we are all meant to find each other > in this way. OUR LOST FAMILIES > Gayle in USA > > > Florence Knightin'Gale <(���)> > Member of the RTOG (Round Table OF Goodness) > My web page http://members.home.net/skid001/ > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > The greatest influence in your life, stronger even > than your will power, > Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. > Paramahansa Yogananda > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

Terry, Oh, that would be "marvelous!", as my cousin in NZ always says! Both of us would appreciate anything that you can "dig" or "unearth" on the surname of TWISS! What do you want? Fax #? Or, SNAIL MAIL? Where are you, by the way? I live in British Columbia, Canada. Thank you so very much. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2001 6:10 AM Subject: Re: [IP] TWISS family Shannah Following up your query about Bansha: I found the townland in Kerry through Ed Finn's wonderful site at http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresch This database will patch together all the townlands, civil parishes, baronies and Poor Law Unions (PLU) in Ireland. You can get a print-out of any number of 60 000+ townlands with the associated details. Yours reads as follows (assuming it's the right one - I'm sure it is): Townland: BANSHAGH Acres: 310 Civil Parish: Killorglin Barony: Trughhanacmy PLU: Killarney and, obviously, County Kerry in the Province of Munster. If you have land there I'm very envious. Here is a delicious snippet about the Palatines in Kerry, taken from the GROVES TRANSCRIPTS which I shall continue to post at intervals soon. The sheer genius of these German immigrants calls for some serious reflection - remember we are dealing with bogland here: ***START HERE*** From J King's History of Co Kerry p.146 Palatines at Arabella in Ballymacelligott parish: Col. Hassett brought a colony of Palatines from Co Limerick about 1746 and settled them near Tralee. About 1776 there were 16 families small farmers. Each settler in 1746 got a cow a horse and everything they wanted for a year, besides having the land for half its value. They introduced ploughing with a wheel plough and planted their potatoes in drills. They brought in cars with wheels as there were only sliding cars before…. ***END HERE*** I think our Jamboree in 2009 should begin with a journey in wooden buckets (along the route suggested by Ken - from start to finish) and we should drift between townlands on sliding cars. What a hoot ... I will do name searches for anyone, not just Hazel, of course. As regards TWISS, I can't tell you much more than Hank Jones does in "The Palatine Families of Ireland". Like the author, I can't find the name in the important London lists - although I have tracked down many others that are missing from the book. If you don't have that information, by the way, I can send it to you off-link. Bye bye, Shannah Terry ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Susan Laursen Willig [email protected]

I am looking for information on Nathaniel Baliey, he was born in Belfest but came to America from Ballybay. Or could you point me in the right direction. Thank You Jeannett Hankey