Hi Margot and Rod, Rod's ancestor John Switzer was likely a brother of my ancestor Ann Switzer - both children of Adam SWITZER and Barbara DOLMAGE. My question to Margot is, does the "History of the Switzers ..." refer to John's parents or siblings? To Rod, do you have any details on what happened to John's siblings? Robert Rose Toronto margot jorgensen wrote: > To Rod Switzer, > Have you seen the "History of the Switzers from Before 1700" compiled in > 1928 by Agnes Ann Armstrong (Mrs. Alex Ross), daughter of Agnes Lucy > Switzer. It is LDS film # 1321067, item 30, and gives a little description > of John Switzer's life in Blanshard Township, Perth County, Ontario. > Agnes Lucy Switzer was a daughter of John Switzer and Agnes Corneille, > sister, I believe, to your William b. 1829. She married Thomas Armstrong, > brother to my great-great grandfather Johnston Armstrong who was married to > a daughter of Agnes Corneille's sister Mary Anne who married Christopher > Sparling. (seems quite complicated when I try to write it down !) Anyway, > this little "history" gives names of the children and grandchildren of John > Switzer and Agnes Corneille, and who they married. If you haven't seen it, > and are interested, I could mail you a photocopy if you want to contact me > off list. My email is [email protected] > Margot Jorgensen Courtenay B.C. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rod Switzer" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:45 PM > Subject: [IP] A Switzer in my tree > > > Hi List, > > > > I am a frequent reader, but infrequent responder I'm afraid. I couldn't > pass > > this item up however. > > > > The direct Switzer's in my tree start with my father > > > > Frederick Moore b. 4/29/1928 > > Frederick John b. 5/21/1905 d. 2/10/1992 > > Richard Augustus b. 9/9/1869 d. 4/8/1951 > > William b. 4/13/1829 d. 1904 > > John b. 3/16/1783 d. 7/11/1869 > > Adam b. 1751 d. 1793 > > Martin b. 1712 d. 1787 > > Johann Michael b. 1681 d. 1768 > > Johan Jacob b. abt. 1658 d. 1710 > > Hans Jacob b. 1620 d. 1710 > > > > I'm particularily interested in finding out about John Switzer's voyage to > > Ontario, April to June 1843 and anything about the Switzer's lives in the > > St. Mary's area. > > > > Anyone wishing to correspond would be welcome. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Rod Switzer > > Golden, Colorado > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way.

Hello Marilyn - Not sure exactly what it is you are looking for. Johannes Jacob Schmidt and Maria Barbara Krafft are my grgrgrgrgr grandparents. Their daughter Catharine, who married Loyalist Christopher Fralick, was sister to your Maria Barbara. Sharon Kingston, Ontario "Marilyn A. Willette" wrote: > > Hi, List... > > What, if anything, can anyone verify about the following lineage: > > Johannes Jacob Schmidt - h/o Maria Barbara Krafft > Maria Barbara Schmidt - w/o Johannes Jacob Fretz > Lewis Fretz - h/o Esther Bristol > Amelia Fretz - w/o Jacob Purdy > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > > Terry, keep up the good work! > All, can I join the IP Association too? > > Marilyn Willette > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message.

I am. Chris Le Gear >From: "Ken McDonald" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: [IP] Membership of the List and the IPA >Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2001 22:25:03 +0100 > >The Irish Palatine Association, based in Rathkeale, is interested to learn >which of its members also subscribe to the IP mailing list. I would be >grateful if all IPA members could please let me know, either through the >mailing list or privately. > >Members of the IPA will soon be receiving a Newsletter (by snail mail). > >Ken McDonald >2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England >[email protected] > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >[email protected] > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

To Rod Switzer, Have you seen the "History of the Switzers from Before 1700" compiled in 1928 by Agnes Ann Armstrong (Mrs. Alex Ross), daughter of Agnes Lucy Switzer. It is LDS film # 1321067, item 30, and gives a little description of John Switzer's life in Blanshard Township, Perth County, Ontario. Agnes Lucy Switzer was a daughter of John Switzer and Agnes Corneille, sister, I believe, to your William b. 1829. She married Thomas Armstrong, brother to my great-great grandfather Johnston Armstrong who was married to a daughter of Agnes Corneille's sister Mary Anne who married Christopher Sparling. (seems quite complicated when I try to write it down !) Anyway, this little "history" gives names of the children and grandchildren of John Switzer and Agnes Corneille, and who they married. If you haven't seen it, and are interested, I could mail you a photocopy if you want to contact me off list. My email is [email protected] Margot Jorgensen Courtenay B.C. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rod Switzer" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 6:45 PM Subject: [IP] A Switzer in my tree > Hi List, > > I am a frequent reader, but infrequent responder I'm afraid. I couldn't pass > this item up however. > > The direct Switzer's in my tree start with my father > > Frederick Moore b. 4/29/1928 > Frederick John b. 5/21/1905 d. 2/10/1992 > Richard Augustus b. 9/9/1869 d. 4/8/1951 > William b. 4/13/1829 d. 1904 > John b. 3/16/1783 d. 7/11/1869 > Adam b. 1751 d. 1793 > Martin b. 1712 d. 1787 > Johann Michael b. 1681 d. 1768 > Johan Jacob b. abt. 1658 d. 1710 > Hans Jacob b. 1620 d. 1710 > > I'm particularily interested in finding out about John Switzer's voyage to > Ontario, April to June 1843 and anything about the Switzer's lives in the > St. Mary's area. > > Anyone wishing to correspond would be welcome. > > Thanks, > > Rod Switzer > Golden, Colorado > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. >

Dear Gayle Hi from another Sparling Lois Sparling Calgary, Alberta Gayle wrote: > > Hi Connie and ALL > I to am new to the list. I just found out my line is in the IP roots too. I am Sparling. My family went to Canada. > I am in California. I still can not believe how much I have found out about my family so far. I just hope some day some one in the family will want to go on and do more from where I leave off from. My mother thinks I am nuts, and no one wants me to talk about it much any more. I think they just wish I would keep it to my self. Oh > well. It is nice to see that there are others that love to do this as much as I do. I am glad to be able to read all of the great stories you have to share. I think we are all meant to find each other in this way. OUR LOST FAMILIES > Gayle in USA > >

Hi List, I am a frequent reader, but infrequent responder I'm afraid. I couldn't pass this item up however. The direct Switzer's in my tree start with my father Frederick Moore b. 4/29/1928 Frederick John b. 5/21/1905 d. 2/10/1992 Richard Augustus b. 9/9/1869 d. 4/8/1951 William b. 4/13/1829 d. 1904 John b. 3/16/1783 d. 7/11/1869 Adam b. 1751 d. 1793 Martin b. 1712 d. 1787 Johann Michael b. 1681 d. 1768 Johan Jacob b. abt. 1658 d. 1710 Hans Jacob b. 1620 d. 1710 I'm particularily interested in finding out about John Switzer's voyage to Ontario, April to June 1843 and anything about the Switzer's lives in the St. Mary's area. Anyone wishing to correspond would be welcome. Thanks, Rod Switzer Golden, Colorado _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Hello List Another interesting package from Barb Milburn (via Switzer relative - B.Wesley?). I think I have checked it all thoroughly, but my bolshevik scanner is not keen on OCR. ***START HERE*** EXTRACTS FROM THE CHURCH OF IRELAND PARISH REGISTERS OF NANTINAN, CO. LIMERICK Contributed by Viola Reid The registers of Nantinan were destroyed in the Four Courts in 1922. The following extracts were made by the late George Comba (a descendant of Connor of Ballingrane) during his overseas tour of duty with the Canadian Army in World War I. They are the only known surviving entries from these parish registcrs. Marriages 1784 April 13 Adam BAKER and Anne ROSE (both from Nantinan) 1784 April 25 John MILLER and Catherine BROWN (both of Nantinan) 1804 January l 7 Adam LOHES and Ann DOBE 1804 May 20 Robert WATSON, Private in the 72nd Regiment, and Catherine M dau. of Frederick MICK 1805 February 25 James LACHFORD and Catherine MILLER 1807 March 31 Samuel LOWES and Elisa BAKER 1807 December 29 Peter MICK and Elisa SHOEMAKER 1808 February 23 John MILLER and Elisa DOBE 1811 May 7 Philip ST JOHN and Mary BAKER 1815 March 26 Peter LOWES to Mary RYAN 1818 December 30 Adam BAKER to Phoebe SWITZER dau. of Adam SWITZER of Ballingrane 1820 April 30 Adam DOBE to Elisa dau. of John MILLER 1821 February 15 David RUCKLE to Elizabeth BAKER Burials 1783 September 25 Catherine MILLER wife of John MlLLER 1784 May l 8 Margaret MICK dau. of John MICK and Mary his wife 1803 June 1 Leonora MICK wife of Peter MICK 1805 January 1 Ann dau. to George LOHES and Ann his wife 1810 March 25 John MICK of Ballingrane 1811 December 10 Daniel LOWES son of Andrew LOHES 1814 May 30 Catherine wife of Peter LOHES 1814 May 19 Andrew LOHES of Ballingrane 1818 October 17 Mary MICK relict of John MICK 1820 August 11 J. CONNOR of Ballingrane Births 1783 June 5 Margaret MICK dau. of John and Mary his wife 1785 September 14 Sarah MICK dau. of Frederick and Catherine his wife 1785 March 6 Catherine LOHES dau. of Adam and Ann his wife 1795 July 18 Sarah dau. to John MILLER and Catherine his wife 1803 October 25 Dorah dau. to Winston MlCK and Anne MICK 1803 October 12 Andrew son to Michael LOHES and Sarah his wife 1803 Deccrnber 18 Mary dau. to John DOBE and Elisa his wife 1804 January 29 Frederick son to Frederick MICK and Catherine his wife 1804 March 12 Eliza dau. to James WALSH and Eliza his wife 1804 April 8 Peter son of John BAKER and Elizabeth his wife 1804 June 24 Michael son to Michael BAKER and Mary his wife 1804 Vovernber 18 Dora dau. to Henry MICK and Eliza his wife 1805 March 24 Sarah dau. to Adam LOHS and Ann his wife 1807 June 7 Wm son to Guy MICK and Ellen his wife 1807 September 13 Mary Ann dau. to Charles MILLER and Mary his wife 1807 November 8 Wm son of Henry LOHES and Margaret his wife 1808 January l4 Wm son of Michael BAKER and Mary his wife 1808 March 8 Joseph son to John MILLER and Sarah his wife 1809 July 2 Agnes dau. to John MILLER and Elisa his wife 1810 January 21 Barbara dau. to Samuel LOHES and Elisa his wife 1810 February 27 Joseph son to Henry MICK and Eliza his wife 1810 March 11 Joseph son to Guy MICK and Ellen his wife 1811 April 22 Catherine dau. to Daniel LOHES and Catherine his wife 1811 October 27 Wm son of Thos COMBA and Mary his wife 1812 April 5 Henry son to Sam and Elisa LOHES 1812 June 25 John son to Henry and Elisa MICK 1812 July 20 Henry son to John and Sarah DOBE 1812 August 20 John son to Michael and Mary BAKER 1812 September 20 Anne dau. to John and Anne MILLER 1812 Novernber 15 Wm son to John and Elizabeth MICK 1812 Novernber 22 Ann dau. to Adarn and Anne LOHES 1814 August 14 Samuel son of Sam LOHES and Elizabeth his wife 1814 September 15 Adam son of Michael BAKER and Mary his wife 1814 October 9 Henry son to John MILLER and Elisa his wife 1814 November 7 Prudence dau. to Thos LOHES and Mary his wife 1814 November 20 Mary dau. to Adam LOHES and Jane his wife 1815 March 19 Richard son to Richard LOHES and Mary his wife 1815 April 29 Samuel son of John MICK and Elisa his wife 1815 June 12 John son of Charles MILLER and Mary his wife 1815 October 15 Sarah dau. of Wm LOHES and Nancy his wife 1815 November 5 John son of John MICK and Elizabeth his wife 1818 May 15 John son to John and Elisa MICK 1818 September 8 Catherine dau. to Adam and Phoebe BAKER 1820 April 30 George son to George LOHES and Hannah his wife 1820 May 21 Elisa dau. to Samuel LOHES and Elisa his wife 1820 July 4 John son to Wm LOHES and Margaret his wife 1820 June 10 Dorah dau. to Wm LOHES and Anne his wife 1821 July 1 Charles son of Peter MILLER and Elizabeth his wife 1822 January 20 Elisa dau. of John MILLER and Elisa his wife 1822 January 27 Wm son to Andrew LOWES and Elisa his wife 1822 March 2 Michael son of Adam BAKER and Phoebe his wife 1820 March 24 Philip son to Thomas LOHES and Mary his wife 1822 January 29 Michael son to Wm and Elisa BAKER 1832 June 24 Maryanne dau. to Chas and Margaret MILLER 1832 August 19 Wm son of Joseph and Mary MICK 1832 November 10 Charles son of Adam and Catherine MILLER 1833 November 5 Adam son of Adam BAKER and Margaret DULMEGE (unmarried) 1833 May 5 George son of Garret MILLER and Mary LlNDEN, Ballingrane (unmarried) ***END HERE*** Bye bye

Just received this from a Detlor "Cousin". Thought my Detlor cousins might find this interesting? BEST WITCHES MARC CARLSON LIST OF WITCHES Witches and Witchtrials in The Holy Roman Empire 1570 Germany, Sulzdorf 1 Duttler, Anna f Verweis [Reprimanded] (Source: Hexen, Hexenwahn und Hexenverfolgung in und um Schwabisch Hall. Schwabish Hall: Hallisch-Frankisches Museum ["Witches, Witchcraft and belief in and around Schwabish Hall"]. Anhang 1: Hexen im Haller Territorium (vgl. Kat. Nr. 1-19); via Joan Pontius ([email protected])) Anna Duttler >From [email protected] Fri Jul 5 21:33:19 1996

Hi, List... What, if anything, can anyone verify about the following lineage: Johannes Jacob Schmidt - h/o Maria Barbara Krafft Maria Barbara Schmidt - w/o Johannes Jacob Fretz Lewis Fretz - h/o Esther Bristol Amelia Fretz - w/o Jacob Purdy Does this sound familiar to anyone? Terry, keep up the good work! All, can I join the IP Association too? Marilyn Willette

SOME MONUMENTAL INSCRIPTIONS AT NANTINAN, CO. LIMERICK These selective records of cemetery inscriptions were passed on to me by Barb Milburn - courtesy of a Switzer relative. In all, there are 10 pages, but since the vast majority are Irish names (O'Connor, Fitzgerald, etc), I have reproduced only the obvious (or apparent/possible) Palatine names. If anyone would genuinely like the full document I can snail it, no problem - but, to be fair, it would have to be a persuasive reason: i.e. non-Palatine ancestors. But again, no problem there. SWITZER. Erected/By/Joseph Switzer/In Memory of his beloved Father/who Departed this Life Jany 26th/1858/Aged 82 years. LONG. Erected By/Patrick Long Ballyadam/In Memory Of His Wife/Bridget Long/Who died Sept. 28th 1913/Aged 76 years/Also Her Father Patrick Burns/Also Her Brothers/Patrick and William DOUPE. In Loving Memory/of/Henry and Sarah Doupe/Rockfield LOWE. Here lies the body of Hen/ry Lowe who depd this Life/December the 12th 1808/Aged 29 years Here lies beneath this Mouldering Sod/A breathless temple of the living God/He is gone and left a World of Sin/I trust with God eternally shut in RUTTLE. Erected by Daniel/David and John Ruttle/in memory of their Father/George Ruttle who depd this/life decr the 5th 1836 Aged 79/Years/Mark the Perfect man and behold the upright/man for the end of that man is peace. RUCKEL. Daniel Ruckel eretd this/stone in memy of his son/who depd ys Life April/14th 1784 Aged 19 years/Passanger stop as thou pass by/As thou art now so once was I/As I am now so thou shall be/Remember man Eternity/Daniel Ruckel Senior depd his life Septr the 17th 1808/Aged 79 years. Pat Rehilly RUCKEL. Erecd by Henry Ruckel/in memy of his Mother &/also Paul Urshelbaugh/who depd Ys life March 11th/1798 Aged 83 Years/Departed Ys life in Peace. SWITZER. Erectd By Mary Switzer/Alias Lonagin in Memory of/Her Husband . . . Long n/Who DePar d this life Jany the/17th 1823 Agd 31(?) yrs . . . . worst of Winners am/And Jesus Died for me. SMELTZER. Erected by David/Smeltzer in the my of/his Father Philip Smelr/who depd this Life/April 29th 1789 Aged/56 years./Passenger stop as thou pass by/As thou Art now so once was I/As I am now shall thou be/Remember man Eternity. RUCKLE. This stone was erected by/Sarah Ruckle in memory/of her husband Henry Ruc/kle who departed this life 3d/of April 1799 aged 57 years/A person lies beneath this Moldring sod/Whose life was still devoted to his God/Since honesty in man claims any merit/His under Boson did the same inherit/By Angel bands conveyed to bliss above/Eternally to praise Redeeming love. DOUPE. In Memory/of/John Doupe/who died on 17th March 1893/Aged 80 years. BAKER. Erected/in/memory of/Adam Baker.of Ballingrane/Died 4th June 1892 Aged 75 years/Also His 3 Sons/Michael/Died 5th Oct. 1899 Aged 62 Years/William/Died 18th Sept. 1923 Aged 77 years/Henry/Died 11th June 1924 Aged 65 years. BAKER. In Loving Memory /Of/Maria Baker/Who Died January 9th 1886/Aged 69 Years/This Stone Is Erected/By/Her Affectionate Daughter/Sarah Baker/Who Died August 4th 1925/Aged 73 Years/Blessed are the Dead/who die in the Lord. ____________________ [Interesting to note Philip Smeltzer above (born about 1733), who is probably the son of either Peter or Christopher, the original immigrants, rather than Peter himself, as Hank Jones (page 116) surmised]. Terry

Did you try http://searches.rootsweb.com/ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Connie Wilson" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, August 24, 2001 11:05 AM Subject: [IP] Help for the Newbie > I hear rumors of an archive for the list. Is it true and how would one access it? > > Thanks > Connie > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can’t plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. >

Hi, Connie - ><<I hear rumors of an archive for the list. Is it true and how would one >access it?Thanks Connie>> Here you go! http://archiver.rootsweb.com/ Just fill in IRL-PALATINE in the search box and hit "Submit Query". Have fun scrolling! Best regards, Susan

Sorry Mary, I don't have any Switzer's in my trees, only Merkley's, Shavers, & Pickles. Norma ----- Original Message ----- From: "S. Griggs" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 11:44 PM Subject: Re: [IP] A Sw*tzer in my tree > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Norma Moug <[email protected]> > > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > > Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:33 PM > > Subject: Re: [IP] A Sw*tzer in my tree > > > > > > >Good morning List: > > > > > >I have been enjoying your humorous banter for some time now. A really > > >interesting & informative list. > > >The reunion is a marvelous idea, but too far off for me. I can dream > can't > > >I? At the rate you folks work, I bet you could move it up a few years. > > >I think I may qualify as an IP, having three, & maybe more g. g. gr' > > parents > > >from the Mohawk Valley, who came to Canada as Loyalists. > > >Terry thanks for your interpretations of Liz's m'script. > > >Another hot day in Ontario. > > > > > >Norma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > > >From: <[email protected]> > > >To: <[email protected]> > > >Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:02 AM > > >Subject: [IP] A Sw*tzer in my tree > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > >Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > > >If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > List Administrator: > > Susan Laursen Willig > > [email protected] > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] >

I hear rumors of an archive for the list. Is it true and how would one access it? Thanks Connie

I do. Mary Wallace -----Original Message----- From: Ken McDonald <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 5:27 PM Subject: [IP] Membership of the List and the IPA >The Irish Palatine Association, based in Rathkeale, is interested to learn which of its members also subscribe to the IP mailing list. I would be grateful if all IPA members could please let me know, either through the mailing list or privately. > >Members of the IPA will soon be receiving a Newsletter (by snail mail). > >Ken McDonald >2 Greenfields, Stansted, Essex, CM24 8AH, England >[email protected] > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >List Administrator: >Susan Laursen Willig >[email protected] > >

Hi Norma Which Switzer is in your tree? My mother was a Switzer but her gt grandparents came directly to Ontario from Adare, County Limerick. My gt gt grandfather was Adam Switzer son of Martin son of Michael Schweitzer. Michael was a brother of your ancestor Johann Christopher Schweitzer. Can we compare notes? Mary -----Original Message----- From: Norma Moug <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:33 PM Subject: Re: [IP] A Sw*tzer in my tree >Good morning List: > >I have been enjoying your humorous banter for some time now. A really >interesting & informative list. >The reunion is a marvelous idea, but too far off for me. I can dream can't >I? At the rate you folks work, I bet you could move it up a few years. >I think I may qualify as an IP, having three, & maybe more g. g. gr' parents >from the Mohawk Valley, who came to Canada as Loyalists. >Terry thanks for your interpretations of Liz's m'script. >Another hot day in Ontario. > >Norma > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:02 AM >Subject: [IP] A Sw*tzer in my tree > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, >If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > >

Hello I've just joined this list but understand quite a few of you are researching SWITZERS. My 3xgt grandfather was Jacob SWITZER and I believe he married Mary RUCKLE. I wonder if anyone could please confirm this. I know that Jacob had the following children: Benjamin b 1809Ireland emigrated to Canada as a young man died 1885. William (lived Bolton, Ontario) John Joseph Reuben Harvey(lived Palermo, Ontaio) Thomas Had 9-10 boys Bartholomew (lived at Blanchard, Ontario Daniel Christopher (lived aStreetsille, Ontario) I look forward to hearing from you and hopefully swapping information. Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire Researching: Lancs: SMITH, HATTON, FISHER,HAYES, JACKSON, GOLDSMITH, MCDONNELL Ches. MCDONNELL, HOOLEY, GARNER, HUDSON, Staffs: GARNER Surrey: WILKINSON, PUNTER, PARROTT, BINFIELD, LITTLE, FRY, ARNOLD, EARLE, ELKINS, And starting my SWITZERS et al Ireland and Canada ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Looking to volunteer? http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/Vol_instructions.html

Terry, I do apologize for my lapse of memory--I do not really recall Judy's solution--a sign of old age, I guess! :) :) Do you know what this was about and what her solution was, please? Thank you very much. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 5:52 AM Subject: [IP] Twiss - Bla(y)ney > Dear Shannah > > I am so sorry you had problems with the Irish Architecture site. I hope > Judy's solution worked for you. I was asleep when your messages came through, > otherwise I would have replied sooner - there is something like a 9-hour > difference in time zones between your Okanaga (B.C.) desert region and my > townland in the eastern fens. > > I also carelessly failed to respond quickly when you asked about the Twiss > origins. It would be unfortunate if you had great hopes of a dazzling answer > - all I can offer is little more instructive than the words of the good Hank > Jones (if you don't have that, by the way, I will gladly type it out for > you). > > I have been doing quite a bit of work on the 1709 passenger manifests and the > London lists lately and have dug out information that had not been sorted out > when Jones and O'Connor wrote their excellent books (to which we all refer > for support). One thing I do think, however, is that Mattys Tys of the 5th > Rotterdam crossing is wrongly recorded as Mattheus Thomas in London (the > children's ages match, more or less - although there is one missing > altogether...). If this is so, then your Twiss pathfinder was a husbandman & > vinedresser, aged 42 and an adherent of the Reformed Church. > > If not, well ... I could buy a gun. > > This afternoon (between Transcripts)I shall scrump the orchard and bottle > some plum relish, which is delicious with ham and eggs. It might seem a dumb > question, but is this the time of year for pickling and preserves in the > desert? (You are on about the same level as the southern Palatinate). > > Bye bye, Shannah > > Keep delving. If I can help more, please email me privately and if it's of > general interest, I can post the answer to the List. > > Terry > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > >

Judy, Thank you so much. There certainly is not very much on this one, but, I have just posted a quick note to their "info" addy, asking, if, they had anymore Estates in DINGLE, CASTLEISLAND and Tipperary. We shall just wait and see. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: JMcIntyre <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2001 12:05 AM Subject: Re: TWISS family--Re: [IP] Castle Bla(y)ney > Hi Shannah, > > I discovered by removing the "hope.html" from the URL I could get the > page to work. Try the link below: > > http://www.irish-architecture.com/houses_monaghan/ > > Judy McIntyre > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. > >

[#T: This is the letter from King George mentioned in the last despatch. George had succeeded Queen Anne the year before and this letter reflects the current position of the Palatines regarding the renewal of their leases. It was about this time (1715) that a muster was taken of the Palatine families in Ireland, which was reproduced in the very first transcript published through the List, as typed by Barb Milburn on 30 June 2000. Remember that this is the first indication, for genealogy researchers, of those German immigrants to London who had actually reached Ireland since 1709. Just as a reminder, if you are interested in retrieving those lists - many of them records of the names of immigrants at various musters and registrations up to (and even beyond) 1766, you should go to: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/irl-palatine and just look up the offerings for individual months] ***START HERE*** Entry Book of King's & Queen's Letters & Reports &c Vol 20 for 1714-1715 1E-2-11 in Rec Office Dublin, p 244 King's Letter 17 June 1715 (The original of which appears to be missing [TG]) GEORGE R. Right Trusty and Right well beloved cousin and Counsellor, We greet you well, Whereas The Commissioners of our Treasury have laid before us your Letter of 15th of January last, together with a Representation from the Commissioners for taking care of the Palatines in that our Kingdom, Whereby It appears That in the year 1709 our late Royal sister Queen Anne sent 821 families of Palatines into Ireland, for whose relief, she was pleased to allow £24000, which was all paid, except£720 that was stopt in the Treasury, for Poundage and Pells. That those Families, being in the year 1711 reduced to 312 our said Royal sister by her Warrant dated 28 March 1712 allowed 40s per annum for every family for 7 years certain, which amounts to £624 per annum. That the families are now reduced to 263, who are settled upon farms in Ireland; And the said Commissioners, having represented to you that it would be for the great benefit of the said poor Palatines and for our Service, That the surplus of the abovementioned annual sum of £624 be granted to the 263 families now being in Ireland, As likewise the abovenamed sum of £720 still in the Treasury for Poundage and Pells, the Officers of the Treasury being first re-imbursed Whereby the said Palatines may be enabled to maintain a Minister to read the Liturgy of the Church to them in their own tongue, and likewise an Agent that understands their language, and to support other contingent charges. WHICH, We, having taken into our Royal consideration, and being graciously pleased to condescend thereunto, Our Will and Pleasure is, and We do Hereby direct & command That you forthwith issue the necessary orders and directions to the Recievers and Receiver General of our Revenue in that our Kingdom, out of any Revenue or Treasure as is or shall be from time to time in his or their hands, to pay forthwith to such person or persons, as are or shall be appointed by the said Commissioners for the purposes aforesaid, So much as has been paid short of the said annual allowance of £624, and that the same be continued to be paid entire during the remainder of the said 7 years, Notwithstanding the clause in the aforesaid recited Warrant of our said Royal Sister, That the 40s p. ann. as to such families as should die or leave the Kingdom, should cease. And also to pay the further sum of £720 stopt for poundage and Pells as aforesaid, the Officers of the Treasury being first re-imbursed, as you have promised in your said Letter, For enabling the said Palatines to maintain a Minister to read the Liturgy of the Church to them in their own tongue, and likewise an Agent that understands their language, and to support other contingent charges And this shall be as well to you for so doing as to our Lieutenant Deputy or other Chief Governor or Governors of our said Kingdom for the time being, and also to the Commissioners of Accounts the Vice Treasurers, Recievers General, Barons of our Exchecquer, Auditor General, and all others herein concerned, a sufficient WARRANT, And so We bid you very heartily farewell Given at Our Court at St James's this 15th day of JUNE 1715 In the first year of our reign By His Majesty's Command Carlisle … Ri' d Onslow, Raw. Wortlay, Will St Qunitin. Entered at the signet office 16 Oct 1715 Will. Coole. To our Right Trusty & Right well beloved cousin & Counsellor Charles Earl of Sunderland, our Lieutenant General and General Governor of our Kingdom of Ireland, or to our Lord Deputy or other Chief Governor or Governors of that our Kingdom for the time being ***END HERE***