Terry - This may not be the exact article you had in mind, but it does explain the problem. It is found on the following site - The Association for Gravestone Studies - http://www.gravestonestudies.org/preservation.htm "Why can't I use shaving cream to highlight inscriptions on difficult to read stones? Our professional conservators tell us it is definitely not a good idea to use shaving cream on porous gravestones because there are chemicals, greasy emolients, in shaving cream that are sticky and very difficult to remove from the stone with a simple washing. Indeed, even with vigorous scrubbing and lots of rinsing, the cream fills in the pours of a porous stone and cannot all be removed. The result of leaving it there is that in time it may discolor or damage the stone. Instead, use a mirror to shine sunlight across the face of a stone, making the lettering stand out. For an explanatory leaflet on this technique, see Store Directory, Kits, "Photographing Gravestones” and "Making Photographic Records of Gravestones." They may be ordered separately from the kits. Always prefer a non-invasive method on gravestones just as we do on medical tests on our own bodies." Sharon Kingston, Ontario Terry wrote: > > Somewhere in my association with various Rootsweb mailing lists I have seen > a mail where it advises us most imploringly to please not touch gravestones > with even water to help conserve them. Unfortunately I cannot find this > mail in my folders but I thought it extremely sensible advice even if a bit > frustrating when we find a gravestone we really want to be able to read. I > believe there is a site with advise about this too which may be worth trying > to find before you start spraying stones with shaving cream. My thoughts > are it would be a better idea to simply spray, lightly with water or wait > for a shower of rain ~ the stones are easier to read when wet. > Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire > > Researching: > Lancs: SMITH, HATTON, FISHER,HAYES, > JACKSON, GOLDSMITH, MCDONNELL > Ches. MCDONNELL, HOOLEY, GARNER, HUDSON, > Staffs: GARNER > Surrey: WILKINSON, PUNTER, PARROTT, > BINFIELD, LITTLE, FRY, ARNOLD, EARLE, ELKINS, > > ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== > Looking to volunteer? > http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/Vol_instructions.html > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: alberta callender <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:25 AM > Subject: [IP] Re NAntinan Graveyard Inscriptions > > > These are very hard to read. Graveyard researchers > > might like to know that if they spray the wording with > > Shaving Cream and then wipe it off - say with a > > handful of grass - the white will stay in the wording > > and they can be read. The next shower of rain cleans > > it away. It really works - try it! Berta Callender > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > List Administrator: > > Susan Laursen Willig > > [email protected] > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about > events. Small minds talk about people.

These are very hard to read. Graveyard researchers might like to know that if they spray the wording with Shaving Cream and then wipe it off - say with a handful of grass - the white will stay in the wording and they can be read. The next shower of rain cleans it away. It really works - try it! Berta Callender ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

Hello Twiss researchers. My Mum's sister Dora Micks married Edmund Twiss and lived at Dangan Mill House (now Manor!) Thomastown, Co. Kilkenny. They were married in the early l920s. I think he may have been a widower so are there any family out there! He probably died in the late l920s or 30s and she died in the late l930s or early 40s. I have researched and written up my Mum's MICKS/DOUPE family Tree but could not find the dates of their s anywhere. I would love to include them. I was told they had married in a Register Office but Dora's Mum insisted they got married again - properly - in Church, which they did in St. Michael's Church Limerick. Berta ____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie

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Hi, List... regarding the reading of headstones in old graveyards... take a flashlight - high powered if you have it - and shine it on the headstone creating a shadow that is perfectly legible. We did this in the graveyard at Carrying Place and it worked perfectly. Too bad none of the stones we checked were related to us, though. -----Original Message----- From: Terry [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 9:22 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IP] Re NAntinan Graveyard Inscriptions Somewhere in my association with various Rootsweb mailing lists I have seen a mail where it advises us most imploringly to please not touch gravestones with even water to help conserve them. Unfortunately I cannot find this mail in my folders but I thought it extremely sensible advice even if a bit frustrating when we find a gravestone we really want to be able to read. I believe there is a site with advise about this too which may be worth trying to find before you start spraying stones with shaving cream. My thoughts are it would be a better idea to simply spray, lightly with water or wait for a shower of rain ~ the stones are easier to read when wet. Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire Researching: Lancs: SMITH, HATTON, FISHER,HAYES, JACKSON, GOLDSMITH, MCDONNELL Ches. MCDONNELL, HOOLEY, GARNER, HUDSON, Staffs: GARNER Surrey: WILKINSON, PUNTER, PARROTT, BINFIELD, LITTLE, FRY, ARNOLD, EARLE, ELKINS, ==== FreeBMD-Admins Mailing List ==== Looking to volunteer? http://FreeBMD.RootsWeb.com/Vol_instructions.html ----- Original Message ----- From: alberta callender <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: [IP] Re NAntinan Graveyard Inscriptions > These are very hard to read. Graveyard researchers > might like to know that if they spray the wording with > Shaving Cream and then wipe it off - say with a > handful of grass - the white will stay in the wording > and they can be read. The next shower of rain cleans > it away. It really works - try it! Berta Callender > > ____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk > or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about events. Small minds talk about people.

Hi, Sharon... thanks for the reply. The papers I am referring to are: http://www.tbaytel.net/bmartin/earlyont.htm I found a lot of good info on a lot of early families there. I will look up the photo and send it to you by scanner, etc. I, as you know, descend from Lewis Purdy s/o Jacob and Amelia. One of Lewis's daughters was named Amelia. One of the books, I cant think of the name right now, but it was concerning the UE families that had been recorded - I took a copy of it and will also scan that and send it. OK? Cheers, -----Original Message----- From: CADIEUX S J [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 9:59 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IP] Schmidt Hello Marilyn - Sorry I can't confirm that for you, but if you have the gravestone information shouldn't you be able to match it to the birth/baptism information - you mentioned baptism of Emily, daughter of Lewis Fretz and Esther Bristol - I presume you are referring to the baptism in the Lutheran Church Records. It may be of interest to you to kow that I am a Purdy descendant - I descend from Jacob's aunt, Rhoda, who married first John Wartman, and then Barnabas Day - I desend from the Day marriage (although I am also a Wartman descendant too). Information on the Purdy family says that Jacob's wife Amelia was a sister to his brother John's wife Ann. It also says they are daughters of Allen Fretz, but I doubt that as there did not appear to be an Allen Fretz in the area in that generation. Would you send me the tombstone information (including the name of the cemetery) for Jacob and Emily? I know they lived in Clarke Township, Concession 7 Lot 29 and Jacob operated a sawmill. Apparently Jacob and Amelia had four sons and three daughters, and after her death he remarried, to Hannah Fraser, and had another son. Do you have additional information on these children, such as dates of birth and death? When you say "in the UE papers the first name of Jacob's wife is blank...." what papers are you referring to? Sharon Marilyn Willette wrote: > > Hi, Sharon... > > I guess what I'm looking for is verification that Lewis Fretz's daughter to > Esther Bristol, named Emily in the Early Ontario Records, is actually Amelia > Fretz who married Jacob Purdy, UE. > > In the UE papers the first name of Jacob's wife is blank, but does have > Fretz as her surname and I know for sure that Jacob's wife was Amelia, since > I have seen their grave and her name is on it. They are my > grgrgrandparents. > > Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: CADIEUX S J [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IP] Schmidt > > Hello Marilyn - > Not sure exactly what it is you are looking for. Johannes Jacob Schmidt > and Maria Barbara Krafft are my grgrgrgrgr grandparents. Their daughter > Catharine, who married Loyalist Christopher Fralick, was sister to your > Maria Barbara. > > Sharon > Kingston, Ontario > > "Marilyn A. Willette" wrote: > > > > Hi, List... > > > > What, if anything, can anyone verify about the following lineage: > > > > Johannes Jacob Schmidt - h/o Maria Barbara Krafft > > Maria Barbara Schmidt - w/o Johannes Jacob Fretz > > Lewis Fretz - h/o Esther Bristol > > Amelia Fretz - w/o Jacob Purdy > > > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > > > > Terry, keep up the good work! > > All, can I join the IP Association too? > > > > Marilyn Willette > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > > [email protected] > > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and > body of the message. > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, > Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Susan Laursen Willig [email protected]

Greetings Irish Palatine Descendants: I have been working on the Teskey - Atkins family connection for years and I would sincerely appreciate some advise and guidance in solving the mystery. Robert Atkins; abt. 1798-1877 (son of James Atkins and Catherine Long) married Anne Teskey; both from Co. Limeriack, probably in 1824 the same year they immigrated to L'Acadie Co., (Sherrington Twp.), Quebec. He is not to be confused with the Robert Atkins that settled at the same time in West Gwillimburg, Simcoe County, Ontario, with other Irish Palatiane Families from Co. Limerick, including John Long.. In the mid 1830's Robert and Anne Atkins moved briefly to West Gwillimbury Twp., and in 1839 settled in St. Vincent Twp., Grey Co., Ontario. According to the information that I have, ADAM TESKEY - 1740, married his second wife, Mary Legeir (Legear) on January 27, 1772 in Co. Limerick. To that second marriage were born two sons: Michael and William Edward. It is my understanding that Michael died in Ireland and William Edward settled in the Montreal area. It is my assumption, and here is where I need help, that Michael's widow, Anne, immigrated with Robert and Ann Teskey Atkins, as a widow Tusky is listed with the family in the 1825 census for that area. Is widow Tusky the widow of Michael Teskey? According to "People Make Place" pg. 76/77 a letter written by Nicolas Shier of Countmatrix to his son Samuel at LaPrairie in October 1822. In the letter it states "There are Michael Teskey and Samuel Doupe, and more of the neighbours in waiting with eager expectation on your answer in this letter." Footnote No. 53, pg. 214: "...Michael Teskey of Courtmatrix and his wife Anne had a family of six young children in 1822 ..." Can anyone help me to find out about Michael Teskey and his brother William? The information that I have gleaned from the LDS Family Search Internet Service is a help but in no way validates a connection. I do appreciate any help or advise that one might offer; right now all my leads have led me to a dead end. Thank you. R. Paul Doherty

Hi Susan, My direct ancestor Johnston Armstrong was born in Lisrace, Co. Fermanagh as were his siblings in early 1800's. Their father, Maxwell, died there but can't find his marriage or birth, think he may have come from Brookesborough area, possibly son of "Sweeper" John Armstrong and Elizabeth Maxwell Buchanan, d. of Capt. James Buchanan. Their mother was Elizabeth Moore who I have been told is a daughter of Capt. James Moore, a descendent of the Moore family, Earls of Drogheda. Johnston married Clarinda Sparling in Ontario. Thomas, his brother, married Agnes Lucy Switzer (27 Sep 1847?), daughter of John Switzer and Agnes Corneille, and I am unsure whether this marriage took place in Ontario or in Limerick, as the Armstrong neighbours in Blanshard Township, Perth County, Ont. were IPs. Johnston was a devout Methodist. He joined the militia in Ontario immediately after emigrating ca. 1836 (was commissioned in 1856) so I am speculating that the Armstrongs were involved in the military in Ireland as well which might explain the marriages with women from other areas ? I'm very much a beginner with Irish research, so have more questions than answers !! Margot ----- Original Message ----- From: "SLWillig" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2001 4:52 AM Subject: [IP] Armstrongs re. A Switzer in my tree > > ><<My Armstrong ancestors came from Co. Fermanagh. > >Margot Jorgensen>> > > Hi, Margot - > > The reference to Armstrong from Fermanagh caught my attention. While I'm > not an Armstrong descendant, some of my NOBLE ancestors from Fermanagh did > intermarry with the Armstrongs - a lot! > > The NOBLE family immigrated from Co. Fermanagh to what is now Warren Co., > NY, in the 1790's. They, and a large contingent of Armstrongs all settled > in a very small town called Johnsburgh. All were devout Methodists, > converted by John Wesley, as were many of the IPs. > > One of my Nobles, a Jane Noble, married one of the first IP Empey ancestors > to come to the New World. That was back about 1795 or thereabouts. I've > often wondered if the families had known one another in Ireland. The Empeys > established themselves in Ashgrove, an IP settlement over in Washington > Co., while the Nobles (and the Armstrongs) settled over in Johnsburgh. The > two settlements were more than a day's ride apart back at then. > > There are still Armstrongs living in Johnsburgh and throughout Warren Co. > at this time. > > Just an FYI and kind of curious. > > All the best, > > Susan > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > You can't plough a field merely by turning it over in your mind. >

[U#: Another document from the general stream of correspondence about our Palatine immigrants between 1714 and 1719 - mostly sequential from hereon. Tedious at times, but I think mostly instructive when viewed as an entire package of important correspondence.... Thank goodness for the industry of TENISON GROVES] ***START HERE*** Entry Book of King's & Queen's Letters and Reports &c Vol 20 1E-2-11 pp 273 274 with List pp 275 276 To the Honourable the Commons of Great Britain The Humble Petition of the Trustees for Settling the poor Palatines in IRELAND Sheweth That your Petitioners were constituted Trustees in the year 1709 by Letters Patent from her late Majesty Queen Anne for settling several families of Poor PALATINES in Ireland which They pursuant to their trust effected, And there are now 213 Families who industriously follow their several occupations, especially in propagating Hemp, which was what they were principally directed to make the object of their industry. They are at present very well settled on several Gentlemen's Estates, and have Freeholds, by which they are become a great strengthening to the Protestant interest of this nation, but their misfortune was, that being Strangers, they were ignorant of their being obliged to take the Oaths prescribed by the Act for the Naturalization of Foreign Protestants, passed in the 7th year of the reign of our late most gracious Sovereign Queen Anne, and the Act being repealed before the Trustees could effectually settle them on their Freeholds, They are not now capable of enjoying them, though they are become Members of our Church, and constant Communicants therewith, and have since likewise taken the Oaths, Though the time prescribed by the Act was elapsed. The undernamed TRUSTEES do therefore most humbly beseech this most honourable House, That a time may be allowed them, A List whereof is hereunto annexed, to all the benefits intended by that Act. And your Petitioners will ever Pray &c Will. Dublin Bridrick, Canc. T. Southwell Isaac Manley, Anthony Barkey, Robt Curtis Saml Walton, Tho. Quin _________________ Dublin Castle July 19th 1715 May it please your Excellency the humble Petition of the Trustees for settling the Palatines in this Kingdom We take leave to inform your Excellency, That the matters of fact are truly stated in the petition, and recommend the case of these poor people to your Excellencie's protection. We conceive their Trustees desire nothing but what is very reasonable, and will necessarily strengthen the Protestant interest in Ireland, a consideration which we know, cannot fail to oblige your Excellency to give them your assistance, We are your Excellencie's most humble servants Will. Dublin Jo. Tuam Kildare To his Excellency Charles Earl of Sunderland Lord Lieutenant of Ireland ***END HERE*** That's all for now Bye bye

><<My Armstrong ancestors came from Co. Fermanagh. >Margot Jorgensen>> Hi, Margot - The reference to Armstrong from Fermanagh caught my attention. While I'm not an Armstrong descendant, some of my NOBLE ancestors from Fermanagh did intermarry with the Armstrongs - a lot! The NOBLE family immigrated from Co. Fermanagh to what is now Warren Co., NY, in the 1790's. They, and a large contingent of Armstrongs all settled in a very small town called Johnsburgh. All were devout Methodists, converted by John Wesley, as were many of the IPs. One of my Nobles, a Jane Noble, married one of the first IP Empey ancestors to come to the New World. That was back about 1795 or thereabouts. I've often wondered if the families had known one another in Ireland. The Empeys established themselves in Ashgrove, an IP settlement over in Washington Co., while the Nobles (and the Armstrongs) settled over in Johnsburgh. The two settlements were more than a day's ride apart back at then. There are still Armstrongs living in Johnsburgh and throughout Warren Co. at this time. Just an FYI and kind of curious. All the best, Susan

Hi Terry There is a page that might interest you on Hope Castle, Co. Monaghan (N.I.), which is also known as Blaney (or Blayney) Castle. The site is hosted by Archeire - Irish Architecture Online - and you get pictures of that very imposing pile... Try: http://www.irish-architecture.com/houses_monaghan/hope.html/ I have also found references through google.com to Co. Fermanagh (as Margot said) and Co. Cork (re. Leixlip) Terry (apologies)

Margot You seem to be very knowledgeable about SWITZERS and I've only just started looking at my Switzer branch. I wonder if you would happen to know where Jacob Switzer fits in? He was father of 10 boys, the first Benjamin was born in 1809 in Ireland. Jacob apparantly died in Ireland but Benjamin emmigrated to Canada as a young man. A messenger was sent out from Ireland to advise hism that he had inherited the family estate said to consist of Castle Blainey but as it was entailed he said he did not want it so it went to the next brother in line,probably John. I suspect that Jacob was married to Mary RUCKLE (RUTTLE) but have no proof and cannot even find where Castle Blainey was but believe it was probably in Limerick. Any clues? Thanks Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire, England ----- Original Message ----- From: margot jorgensen <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [IP] A Switzer in my tree > Rod - > I think you are correct. Mrs. Ross gives names of John's brothers Michael, > James and Christopher, and sisters Mary Shier (who remained in Ireland) Ann > Cunningham and Barbara Conway. She says Ann and Barbara settled near > Ottawa. She doesn't give details of their families. I checked another > source but it just gives the name Ann as a sister married to Cunningham, no > further details. Mrs. Ross gives John's descent as follows: > > Michael, son of John Jacob Switzer and Anna Maria, and his wife Dorothea and > two sons to Ireland 1709. > One son settled in Dublin, the other in Limerick and John Switzer traced his > lineage to the Limerick son who was the father of Adam Switzer. Adam's wife > was Barbara Delmage and they were the father and mother of John Switzer. > > My other source gives Johann Jacob Schweitzer b. 1658 and Anna Marie were > parents of Michael Schweitzer b. 168l. > He married Dorothea? and they were parents of > Martin Switzer b. abt. 1712, d. abt 1787, married Mary Elizabeth? They were > the parents of Adam Switzer b. 1751, > married Barbara Delmage who were parents of: > > Christopher b. 1776 m. Sarah ? > Mary b. 1778 m. Shier > John b. 16 Mar 1783 m. Agnes Corneille > Ann b. ? m. Cunningham > Barbara b. ? m. Conway > James b. ? > Michael b. ? > Sorry I can't supply more, but would be happy to correspond further off > list. I will be away for a couple of days. > Margot Jorgensen > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. >

Hello Marilyn - Sorry I can't confirm that for you, but if you have the gravestone information shouldn't you be able to match it to the birth/baptism information - you mentioned baptism of Emily, daughter of Lewis Fretz and Esther Bristol - I presume you are referring to the baptism in the Lutheran Church Records. It may be of interest to you to kow that I am a Purdy descendant - I descend from Jacob's aunt, Rhoda, who married first John Wartman, and then Barnabas Day - I desend from the Day marriage (although I am also a Wartman descendant too). Information on the Purdy family says that Jacob's wife Amelia was a sister to his brother John's wife Ann. It also says they are daughters of Allen Fretz, but I doubt that as there did not appear to be an Allen Fretz in the area in that generation. Would you send me the tombstone information (including the name of the cemetery) for Jacob and Emily? I know they lived in Clarke Township, Concession 7 Lot 29 and Jacob operated a sawmill. Apparently Jacob and Amelia had four sons and three daughters, and after her death he remarried, to Hannah Fraser, and had another son. Do you have additional information on these children, such as dates of birth and death? When you say "in the UE papers the first name of Jacob's wife is blank...." what papers are you referring to? Sharon Marilyn Willette wrote: > > Hi, Sharon... > > I guess what I'm looking for is verification that Lewis Fretz's daughter to > Esther Bristol, named Emily in the Early Ontario Records, is actually Amelia > Fretz who married Jacob Purdy, UE. > > In the UE papers the first name of Jacob's wife is blank, but does have > Fretz as her surname and I know for sure that Jacob's wife was Amelia, since > I have seen their grave and her name is on it. They are my > grgrgrandparents. > > Thanks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: CADIEUX S J [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:09 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IP] Schmidt > > Hello Marilyn - > Not sure exactly what it is you are looking for. Johannes Jacob Schmidt > and Maria Barbara Krafft are my grgrgrgrgr grandparents. Their daughter > Catharine, who married Loyalist Christopher Fralick, was sister to your > Maria Barbara. > > Sharon > Kingston, Ontario > > "Marilyn A. Willette" wrote: > > > > Hi, List... > > > > What, if anything, can anyone verify about the following lineage: > > > > Johannes Jacob Schmidt - h/o Maria Barbara Krafft > > Maria Barbara Schmidt - w/o Johannes Jacob Fretz > > Lewis Fretz - h/o Esther Bristol > > Amelia Fretz - w/o Jacob Purdy > > > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > > > > Terry, keep up the good work! > > All, can I join the IP Association too? > > > > Marilyn Willette > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > > [email protected] > > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and > body of the message. > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, > Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way.

Mary, I know of a SWITZER who lived in this house about 20 yrs., ago--B.C.--who was a lawyer from Saskatchewan. If you are interested, please, contact "Helen", our local archivist, here, in HEDLEY, @: (250)-292-8735, ph/fax #. Also, if, you are still interested, I shall ask around town here for more info. Ph. at nine in the morning--think Thurs. is Archive day for her--and any time at night is convenient. Pass on my name to her--used to be the one and only one who did ONLY the trees. Good luck! Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Wallace <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2001 9:43 PM Subject: Re: [IP] A Sw*tzer in my tree > Hi Norma > > Which Switzer is in your tree? > > My mother was a Switzer but her gt grandparents came directly to Ontario > from Adare, County Limerick. My gt gt grandfather was Adam Switzer son of > Martin son of Michael Schweitzer. Michael was a brother of your ancestor > Johann Christopher Schweitzer. > > Can we compare notes? > > Mary > -----Original Message----- > From: Norma Moug <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] <[email protected]> > Date: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 12:33 PM > Subject: Re: [IP] A Sw*tzer in my tree > > > >Good morning List: > > > >I have been enjoying your humorous banter for some time now. A really > >interesting & informative list. > >The reunion is a marvelous idea, but too far off for me. I can dream can't > >I? At the rate you folks work, I bet you could move it up a few years. > >I think I may qualify as an IP, having three, & maybe more g. g. gr' > parents > >from the Mohawk Valley, who came to Canada as Loyalists. > >Terry thanks for your interpretations of Liz's m'script. > >Another hot day in Ontario. > > > >Norma > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: <[email protected]> > >To: <[email protected]> > >Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2001 11:02 AM > >Subject: [IP] A Sw*tzer in my tree > > > > > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >Oh, man! There is no planet, sun, or star could HOLD you, > >If you but knew what you are! -- Ralph Waldo Emerson > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >

Hi Terry, I am far from an expert on Switzers. I have a tree someone sent me once which lists the particular line I am connected to (I am not a direct descendent, only connected through Corneille and Armstrong) but I don't know anything else about them. I have looked over the material I have for a Jacob who would be about the right generation for yours, and couldn't see anyone likely. I'm so sorry that I can't help you with your research. The Switzer line I have a little info on emigrated about 1843 to St. Mary's area in Perth County, Ontario and were neighbours of my Armstrong ancestors, along with Sparlings, Shiers and Doupes. They farmed on the Mitchell Road in Blanshard Township there. Good luck with finding "your" Jacob. My Armstrong ancestors came from Co. Fermanagh. Could Castle Blainey be spelled "Blaney" ? Seems to me I've seen that on a list somewhere. Margot Jorgensen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 3:27 PM Subject: Re: [IP] A Switzer in my tree > Margot > You seem to be very knowledgeable about SWITZERS and I've only just > started looking at my Switzer branch. I wonder if you would happen to > know where Jacob Switzer fits in? He was father of 10 boys, the first > Benjamin was born in 1809 in Ireland. Jacob apparantly died in Ireland > but Benjamin emmigrated to Canada as a young man. A messenger was sent out > from Ireland to advise hism that he had inherited the family estate said to > consist of Castle Blainey but as it was entailed he said he did not want > it so it went to the next brother in line,probably John. > > I suspect that Jacob was married to Mary RUCKLE (RUTTLE) but have no proof > and cannot even find where Castle Blainey was but believe it was probably > in Limerick. > > Any clues? > Thanks > Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire, England > ----- Original Message ----- > From: margot jorgensen <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 26, 2001 4:48 AM > Subject: Re: [IP] A Switzer in my tree > > > > Rod - > > I think you are correct. Mrs. Ross gives names of John's brothers > Michael, > > James and Christopher, and sisters Mary Shier (who remained in Ireland) > Ann > > Cunningham and Barbara Conway. She says Ann and Barbara settled near > > Ottawa. She doesn't give details of their families. I checked another > > source but it just gives the name Ann as a sister married to Cunningham, > no > > further details. Mrs. Ross gives John's descent as follows: > > > > Michael, son of John Jacob Switzer and Anna Maria, and his wife Dorothea > and > > two sons to Ireland 1709. > > One son settled in Dublin, the other in Limerick and John Switzer traced > his > > lineage to the Limerick son who was the father of Adam Switzer. Adam's > wife > > was Barbara Delmage and they were the father and mother of John Switzer. > > > > My other source gives Johann Jacob Schweitzer b. 1658 and Anna Marie were > > parents of Michael Schweitzer b. 168l. > > He married Dorothea? and they were parents of > > Martin Switzer b. abt. 1712, d. abt 1787, married Mary Elizabeth? They > were > > the parents of Adam Switzer b. 1751, > > married Barbara Delmage who were parents of: > > > > Christopher b. 1776 m. Sarah ? > > Mary b. 1778 m. Shier > > John b. 16 Mar 1783 m. Agnes Corneille > > Ann b. ? m. Cunningham > > Barbara b. ? m. Conway > > James b. ? > > Michael b. ? > > Sorry I can't supply more, but would be happy to correspond further off > > list. I will be away for a couple of days. > > Margot Jorgensen > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > > [email protected] > > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and > body of the message. > > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] >

Terry, Very interesting converstion! But, the problem with it is that my screen is not wide enough to take in more at a time, sit infront of my screen with a hot cuppa! Hmm! Maybe in the future this will materialize! :) Anyway, your mention of your having info. on the TWISS family perked up my eyes where they darned near bugged out of their sockets with disbelief! Please, I was wondering, if, you would send me what you have on My Family! Possibly, it is something I already have, but, we all have to take that chance, do we not? Also, please, I would like to know who sent you this info., or, what book, etc. If you do not have the researcher's permission to pass on their info., please, ask them, if, this is the case. Waiting in anticipation! :) Thank you so very much! Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, August 20, 2001 9:12 AM Subject: Re: [IP] Web site Hi Here's a thought. But, as usual, it's a bit long-winded and possibly at times a little overweening. But who cares? I've found a platform. You can push me off or just walk by. (It's still shorter than a Rootsweb Review). The choice is yours. I feel sure there must be some out there who think "why doesn't he go away and write a column for the Irish Ancestor, or something". Well, I know they wouldn't have me, for a start - and anyway, I'm happy here. I don't know about you, but this splendid List is SO consuming. I know, for instance, that I can wake up and sit in the kitchen finding my head for an hour or so in the morning; I can then cart a coffee upstairs to my ever more sublime office and call up the ISP for e-mail. Almost invariably there is something, but even on quiet days the leaden heartbreak of abandonment no longer assails me. I just know you're there. I'll bet you all remember the strangled message of despair to the List back in - was it June? - when one regular caller (speaking for us all) asked, with an audible croak, if somebody had "unsubscribed" her…. Quietly, almost surreptitiously, out of the sweltering depths of AridZona came the cool reply of reassurance from Admin: easy - everyone's hunkered down from the heat. And the world came back from a bag of shattered dreams as (even in the torrid rains of July in England) everyone calmed down and settled in front of their scrapbooks for the time being. My postlady has accused me of gross, uncaring disloyalty and even snubs me occasionally - just because I no longer crash down the driveway like a maddened bull mastiff to relieve her of armfuls of map tubes, BMD copies and books, CDs and similar gene trinkets. My delightfully tolerant wife, Wendy (not of known German descent) humours my little pastime with the crushing smile of the woman scorned. Friends race to the other side of the street at my approach because, they say, my eyes glaze over when the topic fails to touch upon roots and ancestry and like obsessions. I now find there are even more things in life to forget, or overlook. No-one is more acutely aware than I of the fact that there was a Johan Georg ALTHEIMER (Hs. & V. etc) in the Board of Trade lists in 1709. Don't misunderstand, I'm not mocking that condition of senility - it ravaged the last five years of my father's life, but nobody laughed louder about it than he. The whole point of the genealogical exercise is lost to some degree, I suppose, now that my children and grandchildren no longer get their birthday greetings on time - although I am still the one most relatives refer to when a critical date is needed. Let's face it. I have lived and breathed Palatine since I was a whimper in a diaper (nappy doesn't have the same lyrical touch). Me Daddy talked of nothing else. I was taking copious notes from the age of 3 - once I'd got (gotten?) the pencil the right way round. I was hauled off to Rathkeale a decade later but failed the comprehension test with dismal colours. Even the flying trip to Drogheda to meet my Bovenizer cousins raised little more than a wisp of curiosity. It's taken me 50 years to patch up that significant gap. I've already talked of the seven ages of Piper, but my adolescent years remained largely unencumbered with the taradiddle of family trees; I just got down to the serious business of name propagation in my own preferred way. Am I wandering off the real subject of this message? I don't think so - it is just my tortuous way of getting back to the matter that's been swirling around in my head all weekend (after I'd finished unloading the copious IP mailbox - my bill for printer toner has shot up since I found the List). Ah, yes. The List. Liz put forward the tentative notion of a Palatine Web Site. It's a brilliant idea - and the sheer simplicity of the solution (to avoid toe-crushing) seems to be this: the very strong community that has forged itself through the List over the past 18 months or so could never be seriously threatened. Whatever happens on the sidelines, the List is our permanent bonding medium. It would never be redundant. I see it as the back-office of life, if that doesn't sound too pompous, or silly. The Web site could be our showpiece - our shop-window on the Palatine world…NOCOST.COM on a sliding undercarriage. Gone the insular, parochial, slow-coach route of the single-surname search. We now have enough original Palatine contributors to re-create Rathkeale through the Internet. And, of course, Kilfinane, Brock, Camden Valley and so forth, not to overlook - as always seemed to be the case in the past - our Antipodean cousins. (Incidentally, one very fine lady in NZ recently did me a look-up in Griffith's Valuation and yielded FIVE putative ancestors in Co. Limerick. Now that's cool.). We already have Ruckles, Sparlings, Teskeys, Fitzells, Starks, Switzers, Imphys, Corneils and TWISSS - plus scores of others. The Web Site could be our Castlematrix courtyard - with the List as our meeting-house under the pear tree and the IPA as the blessed Divinity, with the authority and influential contacts which we, as individuals, lack. NO SORE TOES. And Chris as Burgomeister. On the joyful route to 2009 (the Diaspora reversed) we can bring everyone even closer together - whether with a gene to share or just an interest. There must be Schnitzerlings and Doups somewhere out there just fighting to get back in … as I did. I visualize a Web site that is fast and efficient. One that works (there aren't many). Ken has offered his expertise, Susan has pushed forward her chair, whilst the treasured Liz has the IGP in Clare (whatever that is…in truth I ought to know - here's why): In another life I work from home as a translator in IT and telecoms - I can arrange my day as I choose, which is why it might sometimes seem that I have too much time on my hands. Not so. Something has to pay for the beans and the brandy (which, you might be fascinated to learn, I am no longer allowed to touch; no, not the beans - but that's another story, I'll tell you in June 2009 if you're keen to know). Anyway (and here's another confession) the reason I don't leap forward as a volunteer webmaster, or whatever, is that whilst I can tell you all about the "plesiochronous digital hierarchy" and satellite communications and the acronym for ISDN in French or Spanish, I am an absolute donkey when it comes to the practical application of all that garnered wisdom. My fingers turn to plum jam if I'm expected to do anything more on a keyboard than just type words. I can tell you how to splice optical fibres (and fibers), how to patch up telephone exchanges (or central offices) and I can help you lay out your entire LAN, if you wish (even in Russian, if necessary - although not German). But I can bring a scanner to a sullen standstill at the bat of an eye. I have probably fouled up more websites worldwide through my own incompetent downloads than there are Fs in Palatine. Ken will vouch for the fact that even with the finest software on my system I still can't read Excel files. I am simply not safe near a computer when I'm invited to stray outside the mailroom. So, there you have it. If you value your pics and maps, post them to Liz for the Website - not me. I can do the other valeting and footslogging jobs, with pleasure and not a little devotion. I am the antithesis of a nerd. Back to the topic I chose to invoke at the outset. The site could have tabs or windows for our many individual family trees - a veritable pool of all the data we've collected on our own for the benefit of others; a tighter merge-sorted list of Rotterdam departures and London arrivals; negotiated links to the best sites of direct Palatine relevance (the Townlands data base, on-screen maps, memorabilia and photographs - not everyone can get to the Museum in Ireland and some people are understandably reluctant to donate their treasures - together with plans and invitations for the 2009 junket), etc. Bye bye Cyndi's List. Meanwhile, backstage we could babble away as usual and encourage more names to come out of the undergrowth. It would be an absolute scream if we could re-assemble all the key families of, say, the remaining 791 in Dublin and 'disposed into the country' in February 1710, as Tenison Groves reminded us. Whoops - there you go, you see. In my excitement, I mistyped Tenison as tension (which is something we don't encounter on the List, by the way. No pressure. No sweat, but still dynamic). We might even find out what happened to the absconders, the poor returned Catholics, those who loitered in London, the settlers in the New Territories and so on. Well, that's all. Should do for a month, I think. Must go now - there are chores awaiting this liberated man (a steaming bowl of dishes, cardboard washing to bring in from the sun, plumber to pay, the cat to iron and so forth). Bye bye Who else? PS Yes to List. Yes to Web site. Yes to IPA. That IS all. Terry. ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: [email protected] Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message.

Terry, This is merely a reminder! If you have that info. on TWISS handy I would appreciate a copy of it all before you leave! Thank you very much. Shannah ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2001 2:25 PM Subject: Re: [IP] Membership of the List ...etc > Mr McDonald > > It is a pity that a public platform such as this should be used for a > personal slight. > If other subscribers will excuse me, I think I should respond in kind. > > I do not usually reply to questionnaires. But for the record, I subscribe to > the IRL Mailing list - more than apparent, it seems - and I am a member of > the IPA (records would show this) and a former member of the ITI, the > Translator's Association and the Labour party. > > My reading of IPA Newsletter No.7 suggests that we all "know Ken through his > trojan work in indexing members (7000 to date)". If I mistook the parent > group, it is perhaps understandable. > > Petulance is an unhappy characteristic. > > I shall try to curb my enthusiasm in the future. Do wish me well in my > absence. > > Terry (Lincs UK) > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > [email protected] > >

Mary, I've lost your address and don't really want to reply to you on rootsweb. I've read what you sent and would like to share with you what I have. Sue Rogers __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make international calls for as low as $.04/minute with Yahoo! Messenger http://phonecard.yahoo.com/

Rod - I think you are correct. Mrs. Ross gives names of John's brothers Michael, James and Christopher, and sisters Mary Shier (who remained in Ireland) Ann Cunningham and Barbara Conway. She says Ann and Barbara settled near Ottawa. She doesn't give details of their families. I checked another source but it just gives the name Ann as a sister married to Cunningham, no further details. Mrs. Ross gives John's descent as follows: Michael, son of John Jacob Switzer and Anna Maria, and his wife Dorothea and two sons to Ireland 1709. One son settled in Dublin, the other in Limerick and John Switzer traced his lineage to the Limerick son who was the father of Adam Switzer. Adam's wife was Barbara Delmage and they were the father and mother of John Switzer. My other source gives Johann Jacob Schweitzer b. 1658 and Anna Marie were parents of Michael Schweitzer b. 168l. He married Dorothea? and they were parents of Martin Switzer b. abt. 1712, d. abt 1787, married Mary Elizabeth? They were the parents of Adam Switzer b. 1751, married Barbara Delmage who were parents of: Christopher b. 1776 m. Sarah ? Mary b. 1778 m. Shier John b. 16 Mar 1783 m. Agnes Corneille Ann b. ? m. Cunningham Barbara b. ? m. Conway James b. ? Michael b. ? Sorry I can't supply more, but would be happy to correspond further off list. I will be away for a couple of days. Margot Jorgensen

Hi, Sharon... I guess what I'm looking for is verification that Lewis Fretz's daughter to Esther Bristol, named Emily in the Early Ontario Records, is actually Amelia Fretz who married Jacob Purdy, UE. In the UE papers the first name of Jacob's wife is blank, but does have Fretz as her surname and I know for sure that Jacob's wife was Amelia, since I have seen their grave and her name is on it. They are my grgrgrandparents. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: CADIEUX S J [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2001 12:09 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IP] Schmidt Hello Marilyn - Not sure exactly what it is you are looking for. Johannes Jacob Schmidt and Maria Barbara Krafft are my grgrgrgrgr grandparents. Their daughter Catharine, who married Loyalist Christopher Fralick, was sister to your Maria Barbara. Sharon Kingston, Ontario "Marilyn A. Willette" wrote: > > Hi, List... > > What, if anything, can anyone verify about the following lineage: > > Johannes Jacob Schmidt - h/o Maria Barbara Krafft > Maria Barbara Schmidt - w/o Johannes Jacob Fretz > Lewis Fretz - h/o Esther Bristol > Amelia Fretz - w/o Jacob Purdy > > Does this sound familiar to anyone? > > Terry, keep up the good work! > All, can I join the IP Association too? > > Marilyn Willette > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > [email protected] > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== The greatest influence in your life, stronger even than your will power, Is your environment. Change that, if necessary. Paramahansa Yogananda