The son of Joseph aka Jacob Switzer and Mary Ruttle/Ruckle, Benjamin that you mention is probably my Gt Gt Grandfather and was the eldest of ten brothers. Their names were: William - lived near Bolton Ontario John Joseph Reuben Harvey - lived at Palermo, Ontario Thomas - had 9 or 10 boys Bartholomew - lived at Blanchard Ontario Daniel Christopher - lived at Streetsville Ontario Some of the above settled in Manitoba and in Carberry area. Benjamin was born in 1809 in Ireland and died in 1885 in Hanover Canada. This information comes from a book written by my grandfather Harvey Alexander Switzer. He refers to his gt grandfather as Jacob Switzer not Joseph. He also mentions that when he died in Ireland a messenger was sent to Benjamin but he wasn't interested in the estate (said to include Blainey castle) because it was entailed. We have been unable to confirm where this was. I hope this helps someone out there and maybe someone will be able to add to it yet more for me. Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire Researching: Lancs - SMITH, MCDONNELL, HAYES Ches.- MCDONNELL, GARNER, HOOLEY Staffs.- GARNER Surrey - WILKINSON, CHANDLER, FRY, PARRATT, PUNTER, LITTLE, ARNOLD, BINFIELD Ireland:SWITZER ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hardwickgreens@aol.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: [IP] The Ruttle Family > I write further to my recent request for information and specifically in > response to the response from Dave Larkin. > If we turn to Daniel RUCKLE, who was born in 1730 and who married Barbara > (Born ABT 1734) we see that they had a daughter Mary, born in Ireland in 1781 > and married there about 1802 to a Joseph SWITZER (Although I believe that the > names Joseph and Jacob were interchangeable). They had a son Benjamin. > Incidentally, you mention an attribution by Walter Ruttle. Walter is my > wife's step brother and he continues to live in the Ballingrane area. > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > >

I write further to my recent request for information and specifically in response to the response from Dave Larkin. If we turn to Daniel RUCKLE, who was born in 1730 and who married Barbara (Born ABT 1734) we see that they had a daughter Mary, born in Ireland in 1781 and married there about 1802 to a Joseph SWITZER (Although I believe that the names Joseph and Jacob were interchangeable). They had a son Benjamin. Incidentally, you mention an attribution by Walter Ruttle. Walter is my wife's step brother and he continues to live in the Ballingrane area.

Thanks very much Dave. I really must get a copy of the book! Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Larkin" <larxol@adelphia.net> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [IP] The Ruttle Family > At 07:46 PM 11/10/2003, "Terry" <tajackson@freenet.co.uk> wrote: > >I'm going to further confuse this query by saying that I have a possible > >marriage of a Mary Ruttle/Ruckle to a Jacob Switzer in Ireland. > > A marriage with those names is mentioned in "The Palatine Families of > Ireland" by Henry Z. Jones (p. 104). Mary is identified as the daughter of > Daniel Ruckel, no dates given. Jones attributes the information to Walter > Ruttle of Ballingrane, a descendant of Daniel. > > Dave Larkin > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. > >

I'm going to further confuse this query by saying that I have a possible marriage of a Mary Ruttle/Ruckle to a Jacob Switzer in Ireland. I have been unable to confirm this although it fits in nicely for us if it really happened. Has anyone any information on this? Thanks Terry Jackson in Oxfordshire Researching: Lancs - SMITH, MCDONNELL, HAYES Ches.- MCDONNELL, GARNER, HOOLEY Staffs.- GARNER Surrey - WILKINSON, CHANDLER, FRY, PARRATT, PUNTER, LITTLE, ARNOLD, BINFIELD Ireland: Switzer ----- Original Message ----- From: <Hardwickgreens@aol.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: [IP] The Ruttle Family > The Ruttle Family: > Two genealogical problems which have been bugging me concerning my wife's > family > a) There is a Daniel RUCKEL who was married to a Jane HALL (Born ABT 1855 > and died 2 August 1916). They had at least four children: John (Born 19 > July 1877), Daniel (Born 28 March 1879), Samuel (Born 27 July 1883) and James > (Born 24 May 1887). Rosanna (Born 1 April 1875 may have been a daughter. > My query is: when was this particular Daniel born and who were his parents. > > b) Much has been written about Catherine (Katherine) Elizabeth RUCKLE who was > born in 1690 and who married Johann Christopher SWITZER in 1720. However > some records show the Catherine was a daughter of Caspar while others show that > she was a daughter of Sebastian (although this would seem unlikely given > that Sebastian was only born in 1679). Did both Caspar and Sebastian have a > similarly named daughter and if so, which was the one who married Johann > Christopher ? Also,. some records show that they were married in Ireland; others > that they were married in Canada. > > Can anyone please clarify these two concerns ? > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: > IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com > Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body of the message. >

At 07:46 PM 11/10/2003, "Terry" <tajackson@freenet.co.uk> wrote: >I'm going to further confuse this query by saying that I have a possible >marriage of a Mary Ruttle/Ruckle to a Jacob Switzer in Ireland. A marriage with those names is mentioned in "The Palatine Families of Ireland" by Henry Z. Jones (p. 104). Mary is identified as the daughter of Daniel Ruckel, no dates given. Jones attributes the information to Walter Ruttle of Ballingrane, a descendant of Daniel. Dave Larkin

I can help with your second query, someone else will have to do the first one. My records show that Catherine Elizabeth was the daughter of John Caspar b. c. 1660. She and Johann Christopher were married in southwell Estastes. I have no record of Sebastian having a daugher Katherine. Sebastian was the father of the famous Barbara who married Paul Heck. She and Paul are buried about 15 minutes from where I live. I have pictures of that on my website. www.geocities.com/judydrysdale/Heck.html and on www.geocities.com/keepsakebook under misc. pictures. I hope that helps. Judy from Ontario.

The Ruttle Family: Two genealogical problems which have been bugging me concerning my wife's family a) There is a Daniel RUCKEL who was married to a Jane HALL (Born ABT 1855 and died 2 August 1916). They had at least four children: John (Born 19 July 1877), Daniel (Born 28 March 1879), Samuel (Born 27 July 1883) and James (Born 24 May 1887). Rosanna (Born 1 April 1875 may have been a daughter. My query is: when was this particular Daniel born and who were his parents. b) Much has been written about Catherine (Katherine) Elizabeth RUCKLE who was born in 1690 and who married Johann Christopher SWITZER in 1720. However some records show the Catherine was a daughter of Caspar while others show that she was a daughter of Sebastian (although this would seem unlikely given that Sebastian was only born in 1679). Did both Caspar and Sebastian have a similarly named daughter and if so, which was the one who married Johann Christopher ? Also,. some records show that they were married in Ireland; others that they were married in Canada. Can anyone please clarify these two concerns ?

Thanks for the info! I don't know but I think my #4 g/gf Peter Young b 1749 may be a Palatine or his parents may have been. Roland Young Ken McDonald wrote: > Rathkeale is a small town in Ireland - small, but the second largest > town in County Limerick. The largest group of refugees from the Southern > Palatinate settled on the Southwell estate close to the town in 1709, so > it is the ancestral homeland of the majority of people of Irish Palatine > descent. > > For an overview, go to the Irish Palatine Association's website > www.irishpalatines.org, select "Resources" and then "Brief tour of > Palatine settlement areas". > > Ken McDonald > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ROLAND/BEVERLY YOUNG" <archerogg@psnw.com> > To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:56 AM > Subject: Re: [IP] 2009!!!!!! > > For those who don't know, what is Rathkeale > Roland Young > > rfizzell wrote: > > > >I'd love to do both. 2009 is a l o n g w a y off. > Anyone > > >know of any tours to Rathkeale in the near future? > > > > > > > > It is very easy to travel to Rathkeale. If you fly in at Shannon, you > can > > get a bus to Limerick City and then another bus to Ratheale. Austin > > Bovenizer offers a Palatine cottage for rental by the week. It is only > > about a kilometer from the bus stop. The town is very friendly. If you > are > > up to walking about 3 or 4 kilometers, you can stay at the cottage and > walk > > to town to shop. There is also a nice hotel in town and other B&Bs. > > > > For those of you flying locally, Kerry Airport is very convenient to > > Rathkeale and you can rent a car there. The bus also runs from near > the > > airport to Rathkeale. > > > > Bob Fizzell > > U.S.A. > > > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > List Administrator: > Susan Laursen Willig > IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com

Rathkeale is a small town in Ireland - small, but the second largest town in County Limerick. The largest group of refugees from the Southern Palatinate settled on the Southwell estate close to the town in 1709, so it is the ancestral homeland of the majority of people of Irish Palatine descent. For an overview, go to the Irish Palatine Association's website www.irishpalatines.org, select "Resources" and then "Brief tour of Palatine settlement areas". Ken McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROLAND/BEVERLY YOUNG" <archerogg@psnw.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, November 09, 2003 12:56 AM Subject: Re: [IP] 2009!!!!!! For those who don't know, what is Rathkeale Roland Young rfizzell wrote: > >I'd love to do both. 2009 is a l o n g w a y off. Anyone > >know of any tours to Rathkeale in the near future? > > > > > It is very easy to travel to Rathkeale. If you fly in at Shannon, you can > get a bus to Limerick City and then another bus to Ratheale. Austin > Bovenizer offers a Palatine cottage for rental by the week. It is only > about a kilometer from the bus stop. The town is very friendly. If you are > up to walking about 3 or 4 kilometers, you can stay at the cottage and walk > to town to shop. There is also a nice hotel in town and other B&Bs. > > For those of you flying locally, Kerry Airport is very convenient to > Rathkeale and you can rent a car there. The bus also runs from near the > airport to Rathkeale. > > Bob Fizzell > U.S.A. > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way. ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== List Administrator: Susan Laursen Willig IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com

Hey, this is great information. Thanks for posting it.

For those who don't know, what is Rathkeale Roland Young rfizzell wrote: > >I'd love to do both. 2009 is a l o n g w a y off. Anyone > >know of any tours to Rathkeale in the near future? > > > > > It is very easy to travel to Rathkeale. If you fly in at Shannon, you can > get a bus to Limerick City and then another bus to Ratheale. Austin > Bovenizer offers a Palatine cottage for rental by the week. It is only > about a kilometer from the bus stop. The town is very friendly. If you are > up to walking about 3 or 4 kilometers, you can stay at the cottage and walk > to town to shop. There is also a nice hotel in town and other B&Bs. > > For those of you flying locally, Kerry Airport is very convenient to > Rathkeale and you can rent a car there. The bus also runs from near the > airport to Rathkeale. > > Bob Fizzell > U.S.A. > > ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > Try to do little things in an extraordinary way.

>I'd love to do both. 2009 is a l o n g w a y off. Anyone >know of any tours to Rathkeale in the near future? > > It is very easy to travel to Rathkeale. If you fly in at Shannon, you can get a bus to Limerick City and then another bus to Ratheale. Austin Bovenizer offers a Palatine cottage for rental by the week. It is only about a kilometer from the bus stop. The town is very friendly. If you are up to walking about 3 or 4 kilometers, you can stay at the cottage and walk to town to shop. There is also a nice hotel in town and other B&Bs. For those of you flying locally, Kerry Airport is very convenient to Rathkeale and you can rent a car there. The bus also runs from near the airport to Rathkeale. Bob Fizzell U.S.A.

These things don't just happen without a lot of time and commitment. The Irish Palatine Association's prime focus is on keeping the museum open, and every so often someone finds the extra energy to organise something. I'm sure there will be an event or two in Rathkeale before 2009, but for the time being the focus is on the Pfalz Tour 2004. Ken McDonald ----- Original Message ----- From: "rfizzell" <rfizzell@earthlink.net> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 12:36 AM Subject: Re: [IP] 2009!!!!!! Ken and all, I would like to support Chris' idea as an addition to the trip. Perhaps we could arrange to have time in Rathkeale for others to join us. I know Ken does not need any more jobs, but perhaps Austin or someone else in Co. Limerick could make some arrangements. Bob Fizzell > >I'll keep you updated on anything I uncover with regard to the 1709 route! >Whilst I agree with you that the 300th anniversary ought to be marked I >would suggest that the proposed event retracing the steps of our ancestors >across Europe, whilst laudable, might well be restrictive due to the time >and travelling distances inviolved for many people. Perhaps some sort of >local event to Rathkeale ought to be considered over a period of say, a few >weeks, that might well attract visits from IPs from all over the >world. The Palatine museum would prove an excellent focal point!! What do >others think.....would this sort of thing prove of interest???? > >Chris > ============================================ President Bush promised over 2.4 million jobs would be created by his gift of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of tax cuts to his rich friends. Since his first tax cut passed in 2001, the economy has lost a net of 2.75 million jobs. The economy has experienced a net loss of jobs every month except September, when the it added a total of 57,000 jobs, well below the overall targets predicted for the second half of the year. Real wage and salary income declined by 1.2%, while executive salaries continue to increase. Robert L. Fizzell 1201 NW 109th Street, Vancouver, WA 98685 http://www.alternative-education.org ============================================ ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Great minds talk about ideas. Average minds talk about events. Small minds talk about people.

I'm confused. Is the Pfalz tour in 2004 or 2009?

I'd love to do both. 2009 is a l o n g w a y off. Anyone know of any tours to Rathkeale in the near future?

Ken and all, I would like to support Chris' idea as an addition to the trip. Perhaps we could arrange to have time in Rathkeale for others to join us. I know Ken does not need any more jobs, but perhaps Austin or someone else in Co. Limerick could make some arrangements. Bob Fizzell > >I'll keep you updated on anything I uncover with regard to the 1709 route! >Whilst I agree with you that the 300th anniversary ought to be marked I >would suggest that the proposed event retracing the steps of our ancestors >across Europe, whilst laudable, might well be restrictive due to the time >and travelling distances inviolved for many people. Perhaps some sort of >local event to Rathkeale ought to be considered over a period of say, a few >weeks, that might well attract visits from IPs from all over the >world. The Palatine museum would prove an excellent focal point!! What do >others think.....would this sort of thing prove of interest???? > >Chris > ============================================ President Bush promised over 2.4 million jobs would be created by his gift of hundreds of billions of dollars worth of tax cuts to his rich friends. Since his first tax cut passed in 2001, the economy has lost a net of 2.75 million jobs. The economy has experienced a net loss of jobs every month except September, when the it added a total of 57,000 jobs, well below the overall targets predicted for the second half of the year. Real wage and salary income declined by 1.2%, while executive salaries continue to increase. Robert L. Fizzell 1201 NW 109th Street, Vancouver, WA 98685 http://www.alternative-education.org ============================================

I would love to have joined you on this trip to the land of my forefathers. However, I am a teacher and unfortunately only have the week including the May Bank Holiday Monday off work, so sadly I will have to miss it. I wish everyone who goes a good time! Regards Rosie ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken McDonald" <Teskey@btinternet.com> To: <IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: 07 November, 2003 08:33 Subject: [IP] Irish Palatine families Pfalz Tour 2004 Dear Cousin, My wife Janice and I have spent three weeks this year in Germany and Ireland organising a major event next year for the Irish Palatine Association. We have been working to put together a 9 day vacation in the Pfalz (or German Palatinate), from whence our ancestors came in 1709. We anticipate that over 50 descendants from those pioneers will join us in Germany. Plans for May 2004 are now sufficiently advanced for the IPA to have distributed details. If you are a member, you should receive details through the post in the next few days. The details have also been added to the Association's website, www.irishpalatines.org Please take a look and see if you are tempted! Should you wish to join the Tour, you are advised to book before the end of November. We do urge you to seriously consider joining us - it should be a great vacation. Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted Mountfitchet, Essex, CM24 8AH, England + 44 (0) 1279 813226 Teskey@BTinternet.com ==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== Be the best you can be right where you are.

Hi Phyllis Thanks for your reply. I've checked the Motorway Regulations and find that neither oxen drawn carts or pedestrians are allowed to use the motorways and therefore conclude that they must have used some other route!!! At present, I'm favouring the A5 suggestion but this may have prolonged the journey as there are so many sets of traffic lights on it. As for the Rotterdam lists, look again at the 5th Party...you'll find Johan Adam there! Keep well! Chris >From: "Phyllis Ryerse" <ryerse@bellsouth.net> >Reply-To: <ryerse@bellsouth.net> >To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: RE: [IP] London - Dublin in 1709!! >Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2003 10:39:01 -0400 > >Hi Chris! > >Gee whiz..........didn't they take the M40 out of London and head >northwest......getting off at the Chester Exit? (giggle giggle!) > >Well, who knows....that may not be so far off the truth! Many of the >early wagon ruts later became major roads!! > >I did read somewhere that it took nearly 100 wagons to haul them all up >there! That's pretty interesting too! Aren't there any early maps >from that era that might show you their route?? > > > >How 'ya been Chris?? > >Still digging around in the 'old stuff' eh! Me too, although I get >side-tracked now and then. > >Nothing new on our mysterious James, however I recently got the film of >the original 1709 Rotterdam emigration lists to see if I could find >Johan Adam's name. VERY difficult to look at....poor writing and some >of those pages had microfilmed almost black. I never found Johan >Adam......but I did find a Johan Ludwig who was probably our early >Ludwig fellow! Somehow it's satisfying to see their names written in an >old document like that. > > > >Well, carry on my friend! > >Phyllis > > > > > > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Christopher Le Gear [mailto:chrislegear@hotmail.com] >Sent: Friday, October 24, 2003 10:14 AM >To: IRL-PALATINE-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [IP] London - Dublin in 1709!! > > > >Dear All > > > >In 1709 our forefathers travelled from London to Chester where they took > > >ship for Dublin. Does anyone know the route they took through England >to > >get to Chester??? > > > >Chris > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Hotmail messages direct to your mobile phone >http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== > >List Administrator: > >Susan Laursen Willig > >IRL-PALATINE-admin@rootsweb.com > > > > > >==== IRL-PALATINE Mailing List ==== >To subscribe or unsubscribe from this list use the following: >IRL-PALATINE-l-request@rootsweb.com >Put either the word, subscribe, or unsubscribe in the subject line and body >of the message. > _________________________________________________________________ Get Hotmail on your mobile phone http://www.msn.co.uk/msnmobile

Dear Cousin, My wife Janice and I have spent three weeks this year in Germany and Ireland organising a major event next year for the Irish Palatine Association. We have been working to put together a 9 day vacation in the Pfalz (or German Palatinate), from whence our ancestors came in 1709. We anticipate that over 50 descendants from those pioneers will join us in Germany. Plans for May 2004 are now sufficiently advanced for the IPA to have distributed details. If you are a member, you should receive details through the post in the next few days. The details have also been added to the Association's website, www.irishpalatines.org Please take a look and see if you are tempted! Should you wish to join the Tour, you are advised to book before the end of November. We do urge you to seriously consider joining us - it should be a great vacation. Ken McDonald 2 Greenfields, Stansted Mountfitchet, Essex, CM24 8AH, England + 44 (0) 1279 813226 Teskey@BTinternet.com

I am new to this list but not new to genealogy. I am researching the BAKER family from Ballingrane area. My husbands grandfather was Cornelius Fizzell BAKER (also known and Charles Frederick BAKER) who married Sarah RYAN. Sarah's father was John RYAN, a schoolteacher in the Ballingrane area. John RYAN may have married into the Palatine community but I do not know has wifes name. Cornelius had a brother Julius F (I still do not know what the F stands for but I suspect Fizzell) who were both married in the Nantinan church in 1860 and their father John's occupation was shown as Parish Clerk. As the Nantinan church registers no longer exist I cannot check whether he was parish clerk in that church or another church. That is my query! What church was he parish clerk in? Cornelius and Julius father was Peter Baker who married Anne Fitzell of Sallowglen, Kilnaughton Parish. Can anyone shed any light for me please. Regards Janet Mount Maunganui New Zealand http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time.