Greetings! It is important when seeking Irish civil records, i.e. birth, marriage and death, to keep in mind these dates: Only Protestant marriages were recorded from 1845; the rest of the civil records applied to all from 1864. HOWEVER, and this is a big problem, not everyone complied with civil registration, even into the early 20th century. In my Catholic family, neither the marriage of a couple in the 1890s, nor the births of their five children (specifically one born in 1903) were recorded civilly. The information was only to be found in church records. It may have had to do with distrust of the registrars (i.e. they were English or were English supporters in most cases), or it was inconvenient to go to the market town on market day (when the traveling registrar showed up only every week or two, in my case on a Thursday, still market day -- no office or such then), or the weather was bad, or registration of the event in church records was deemed sufficient, or they were too far from the market town to walk and had no transport, or it was planting time and they were busy, or any other reason you can think of. Monaghan was a very rural county in the past, and to some extent still is in this time of autos and bus routes which only serve the main roads connecting some of the larger towns (I've ridden them and taken taxis out to cousins' rural farm homes from town). Hope this is helpful. Sally --- [email protected] wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Immigrants that died on ships.. > ([email protected]) > 2. Re: Obtaining a long form birth certificate in > Ireland (Jim C) > 3. Monaghan 1851 census extracts (A.Harney) > 4. Townland- Agharooskey (Pauline Leonard) > > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected], [email protected], > [email protected], > [email protected], > [email protected], > [email protected], > [email protected] > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:12:14 EDT > Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Immigrants that died on > ships.. > > Hi All, > In my searches these last few days I've learned > about a place...."Hart's > Island" (Potter's Field). It is an island off of > Manhattan where over the years > it has had different uses....a POW camp/prison for > Civil War Soldiers, a > prison's site, a home for delinquent boys, a home > for homeless men, factories, an > asylum, even a home and a small community of nice > homes, but most of all...now > it is used as a graveyard or burial ground. It is > where the un claimed from > NYC are buried. Whether it was an immigrant who died > on ship or even just lived > in the city and had no money and/or no one to claim > their remains, an infant > left who died with no one to claim them, a victim of > murder or consequences > who was never identified or claimed, or even a > person of wealth who no one > claimed to bury in a family plot....they are buried > here. There are 700,000 graves. > Men, women, children, infants. > > Unforunately these names were kept in the N Y Prison > system and hard to > obtain. But since March 14 th , 2008 there is a > project underway to make a website. > Here are some sites in ref to this, and about Hart > Island. > > As searchers we know we come across some very sad > stories in ref to the > immigrants and people we search for, This may be one > of them. I know it broke my > heart to see small coffins of infants stacked in > rows of four to be buried that > way. But I knew that this was important info to pass > on. Here are the sites: > > > _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Island,_New_York_ > > (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hart_Island,_New_York) > > > > _http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle& > artid=64_ > (http://www.newyorkfamilyhistory.org/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=64) > > > > _http://www.hartisland.org/_ > (http://www.hartisland.org/) > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. > Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > From: "Jim C" <[email protected]> > CC: [email protected] > To: "Jacqueline Harris" <[email protected]>, > "Dee Cee" <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 19:17:53 -0400 > Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Obtaining a long form > birth certificate in Ireland > > Hi, Jacqueline and Dee and all. > > Would anyone know for how far back these birth > certificates might be > available, and how much they cost? And can SKS > re-post the information that > would be required to get them? I guess I missed > that! > > Thanks, > Jim C > > Researching McAleer and Keenan in Monaghan in the > 1830's timeframe. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jacqueline Harris > [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 6:15 AM > To: Dee Cee > Cc: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Obtaining a long form > birth certificate in > Ireland > > Dee, > > If it is a Monaghan certificate then this is where > you will get one. > > Monaghan Local Health Care, > North Eastern Health Board, > Rooskey, > Monaghan, > Co. Monaghan. > > Also you can go to a web page and follow the links > > www.goireland.ie > > Good luck, > > Jackie, > > Storing memory - no problem > Retrieving memory - big problem > > OPC for North Bovey. > Researching: Devon: FROST, GITSHAM, HARRIS, HOWARD, > ROWLAND. > Ballybay, Co.Monaghan: DUFFY, HAND, MOAN(E), MOEN, > MOGHAN, MOHAN, WOODS. > N. Yorks: BRANSLEY, EASBY, RUTHERFORD, THOMPSON, > WALKER. > Northants: DAY, GRIFFIN(G), NUTT, PITTS, UNDERWOOD, > WADE. > Shropshire: ALLART, DAVIES, GRIFFITHS, JONES, > MANSELL, PITTS > Anywhere: MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, MOHUN. > Protected by www.SpamJab.com {NYvf5yYjM3TGB5C1dg] > > > > Dee Cee wrote: > > Dear List members, > > > > I am writing to inquire if anyone can asssist me > in obtaining a long > form birth certificate from Ireland. > > > > Several months ago, I posted an inquiry about my > maternal grandmother, > Susan Trainor, to this list. Several list members, > including Claire and > Jim, were very helpful and I was able to obtain the > information I needed to > request my grandmother's birth certificate. > > > > I sent my application (with payment) to the > Roscommon address in > January, but I have never had a reply (or > acknowledgement). Consequently, I > faxed the same request earlier this month (again > with payment), but I have > heard nothing. > > > > Would it be possible to enlist someone who is in > Ireland to make the > request on my behalf? I can furnish all of the > relevant information (and > payment). Thanks in advance for any assistance that > can be provided. > > > > Best wishes, > > David Clayton > > Chicago, IL > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them > fast with Yahoo! > Search. > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > [email protected] with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > From: "A.Harney" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 20:20:33 -0400 > Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Monaghan 1851 census > extracts > > Surviving 1851 Census Returns of Ireland - Census > Abstracts in Old Age > Pension Applications 1011 > > County: Monaghan Parish: Errigle Trough Townland: > Aghaderry > 2. JAMES MULHERON, 39 (Head of Family) [Married > 1843] - FARMER (Monaghan) > (R) > MARY MULHERON, 34 (Wife) [Married 1843] - NONE > (Monaghan) (R) > SALLY MULHERON, 2 (Daughter) [Unmarried] - NOT AT > SCHOOL (Monaghan) > *Two other individuals in household, not listed by > name. > +++ > County: Monaghan Parish: Tullycorbet Townland: > Cornanure > 24. OWEN McENALLY, 27 (Head) [Married 1829] - NONE > (Monaghan) (R/W) (Crossed > Out) > CATHRIN McNALLY, 26 (Wife) [Married 1829] NONE > (Monaghan) > PAT McNALLY, 5 (Son) [Unmarried] - NONE (Monaghan) > Absent from Household 30th March 1851: > OWEN McNALLY, 27 (Head) -NONE {Monaghan} > +++ > County: Monaghan Parish: Clones Townland:Innishamon > 1. JAMES QUIGLY, 35 (Head of Family) [Married 1839] > - FARMER (Fermanagh) > ROSE ANNE QUIGLY, 30 (Wife) [Married 1839] - FARMER > (Monaghan) (R) > KITTY QUIGLY, 1 (Daughter) [Unmarried] - AT SCHOOL > (Monaghan) > *Five other individuals in household, not listed by > name > +++++ > County: Monaghan Parish: Donaghmoyne Townland: > Killmurry > 26. HUGH SHERRY, 30 (Head of Family) [Married 1843] > - LABOURER (Monaghan) > MARY SHERRY, 30 (Wife) [Married 1843] - HOUSEKEEPER > (Monaghan) > OWEN SHERRY, 5 (Son) [Unmarried] - NONE (Monaghan) > *One other individual in household, not listed by > name > ++++++ > > http://www.ogsottawa.on.ca/irishcensus1851/Other1851IrishCensusReturns.pdf > > > HTH somone! > Ann > > > > From: "Pauline Leonard" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 23:41:13 -0400 > Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Townland- Agharooskey > > Hello, > I think I may have just found out that my > great-grandfather was born in the > Townland of Agharooskey, Co. Monaghan. I always > thought he was from > Fermangh. > I cannot find a townland by that name in Monaghan. I > am not very familiar > with Monaghan since I have always been looking in > Fermanagh. > Is there a townland in Monaghan named Agharooskey? > Does anyone know where it > is? Does anyone have a map of it? > I know that there is a townland in Fermanagh called > Agharooky West or > something like that. I would have to look that up > again. This information > says Monaghan. > Would anyone be able to shed any light on this for > me? Would anyone have > access to the 1901 Census of Ireland to look up this > family. I know that my > MURRAY family was in the townland of Mullyduff, Co. > Fermanagh in the 1911 > Census but they weren't there for the 1901. The > townland of Agharoosky in > Fermanagh is fairly close to Mullyduff. There is no > townland in Monaghan > called Agharooskey according to SeanRuad. I am > totally confused and don't > know what to think now. > I have a marriage certificate for James MURRAY and > Margaret GIBNEY (my > great-grandmothers name). They were married in 1905 > at the Cathedral of > Monaghan. It says that James was residing in > Drummaconor, Monaghan and > Margaret was residing at Monaghan. James MURRAY's > daughter says she > remembers that he was from Agharoosky (she doesn't > know the spelling or > place). > > James MURRAY > date of baptism/birth- 01/08/1888 > address- Agharooskey > parish/district- Monaghan > county- Monaghan > gender- Male > denomination- Registration District [ I don't know > what this means] > father- James MURRAY > mother- Mary ARMSTRONG > occupation- Labourer > sponsor 1- Mary > sponsor 2- [nothing] > notes- [nothing] > > Thanks > Pauline > Ontario > Canada > > > To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send > an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, > send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in > the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > ____________________________________________________________________________________ Looking for last minute shopping deals? 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