I have updated the page with the renaming of one of the columns and the addition of the bits around "Keneth": SEE: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/documents/TABLES/1600-CAVAN-Property.html I have an image of a useful map - but I got it from a source that I now can't trace (because of my sometimes inconsistent record-keeping). It was called "Fig 4 - Ulster plantation allocation of lands in Cavan 1610-20" and the only hint at the title that I have is "Cavan Essays Book" - which sounds more like a description of the book rather than a title. I would suspect that it is covered by copyright, hence I would not be able to share it. Sharon Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Some Become Flowers: http://www.harbourpublishing.com/title/SomeBecomeFlowers Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl On 21/05/2010 8:14 AM, Anderson, Shane wrote: > Sharon: > > Never enough proof... > > >>> I do think that one can see clearly how Keneth might be derived from from Cionn Ech ... (Kinnea). >>> > Please see this source: http://www.jstor.org/stable/20566554?seq=31 Go to the source's page 107. > > This confirms CLEARLY that Kinnea was the land given to Stuart (Lord Aubigny ) and later sold to Hamilton. Questions remain, but I'll probably bank some of this off of the placenames project at Queens to get some clarification. > > Thanks. > > Shane > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Anderson, Shane > Sent: Friday, May 21, 2010 10:35 AM > To: [email protected]; Cavan; MONAGHAN LISTSERVE; LOUTH; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: Re: [IRL-CAVAN] Properties in Cavan from early 1600s - looking for JACKSONs > > Sharon, > > >>> I am no expert and I also appreciate suggestions for improvement of the materials. >>> > Your Denomination and "Guess at Current Barony Name" appear mostly to be Townland and Townland/Parish references. I can take a run at this if you don't mind. You've done well. > > Please bear in mind that there have been changes in the boundaries of various divisions over the years. I ran into several in Fermanagh. However, for the most part things remain stable enough to get into the ballpark... > > So, for example, this is how I would proceed... > > First on the list... Sir James Hamilton and "Keneth." > > If we look at "The confiscation of Ulster, in the reign of James the first, etc." by Thomas Mac-Nevin, 1846: http://books.google.com/books?id=DNg9AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA171&lpg=PA171&dq=Sir+James+Hamilton+cavan+plantation&source=bl&ots=WY5KmxwfzP&sig=Fm5dAnNtYEAatYf3eEcmgddhbRo&hl=en&ei=T4z2S5XmN8P48AaSwbXXCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CDUQ6AEwCQ#v=onepage&q=Sir%20James%20Hamilton%20cavan%20plantation&f=false > > This shows the 1619 Patent of James Hamilton which included three "Denominations." One of them is Keneth. There are others. We find, however, that this patent was in fact originally given to Esme Stuart, Lord Aubigny. Looking for those records may be of great help. Oft times the best way to crack townland names is to find all of the various spellings, correlate them and map it into the modern name... > > When we cross reference to George Hill's excellent work " An historical account of the plantation in Ulster" here: http://books.google.com/books?id=801i1MUvSG8C&pg=PA308&lpg=PA308&dq=castle+Aubigny+cavan&source=bl&ots=e3AmmesIvv&sig=_NwHwN6v_7j9MR7zTIKD4WY95EM&hl=en&ei=hI_2S62OI4K78gbZ8LXhCg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CB4Q6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=castle%20Aubigny%20cavan&f=false > > ... we find that Stuart was given "The great proportion of Kinneigh" containing the lands of Corveagh, one poll... etc." > > Having gotten this far, I would then search across townlands in Clankee, (see: http://www.seanruad.com/cgi-bin/iresrch) After doing so, I would posit the notion that your Keneth is in fact Kinneigh, which will easily lend itself to the modern name of the townland of Kinnea, Barony of Clankee, Civil Parish of Knockbride, PLU Bailieborough. I do think that once can see clearly how Keneth might be derived from from Cionn Ech ... (Kinnea). > > So here the "Guess at Current Barony Name" which really should be guess at Townland/Parish or just Townland would be Kinnea, Knockbrige. > > The reference to Corveagh may actually be a reference to the now townland of Cornaveagh also located in Knockbride. We'd need a good townland map to see. From what I can see they are relatively close together, but I think Kinnea is probably pretty close to the truth here. > > I'll do some more on these as I can. > > I hope this will help. > > Shane > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Sharon Oddie Brown > Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2010 5:47 PM > To: Cavan; MONAGHAN LISTSERVE; LOUTH; [email protected]; [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-CAVAN] Properties in Cavan from early 1600s - looking for JACKSONs > > I have just completed and posted a number of interrelated pages > concerning early property holdings in Co. Cavan. I am no expert and I > also appreciate suggestions for improvement of the materials. If you > spot any errors (they are virtually guaranteed!), I will fix them ASAP. > I am also sending this to lists of neighbouring counties. I have noticed > that our ancestors did not necessarily stay put - and nearby countries > are places where we can count on them to have strayed. > > Firstly, there is the list that Coote replicated from Pynnar on lands in > 1618-1619 > <http://www.thesilverbowl.com/documents/TABLES/1600s-CavanLandowners.html>. > Secondly, a page where I make a stab at following the older place names > <http://www.thesilverbowl.com/documents/TABLES/1600-CAVAN-Property.html> > into what they are more frequently known as today. > Thirdly, early sightings of JACKSONs in Co. Cavan > <http://www.thesilverbowl.com/history/JACKSONs-Cavan.html>. > Finally, a list of the proprietors in Co. Cavan in 1802 > <http://www.thesilverbowl.com/documents/TABLES/1802CAVAN-Proprietors.html> > - which includes one lone JACKSON. > > All these pages can be linked to from my What's New page if the previous > hyperlinks don't work: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/misc/whatsnew.htm > Enjoy, > Sharon Oddie Brown. >