Where can one view this book? Thanks, JIM M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "PKostelnik" <PKostelnik@ij.net> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > Richard, you are correct about the names and about the desertion of the > Protestants from the area for a few years, which did cause a break in the > church records. I also recognized them as English/Scots names. > > I just looked in a good source, "Irish Records, Sources for Family and Local > History" by James G. Ryan, Ph.D. > > On page 375 under Church of Ireland Records: > Parish: Clones > Existing Records: b. 1682; m. 1682; d. 1682 > > On page 377 under Roman Catholic Records: > Civil Parish: Clones > RC Parish: Clones > Earliest Record: b. July, 1848; m. May 1821 > Missing Dates: b. April, 1854-Apr, 1855; m. March 1840-Oct, 1840. > > This would indicate that the Clones Church Records found on LDS Microfilm > No. 0897416 are indeed the very old Church of Ireland records of Clones > Parish. > > Patricia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Smyth <smyth@nc.rr.com> > To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > > > > I have just been looking at that film myself. I am morally certain that > > most of the families are not Catholic. Almost all the names in the film > are > > English or Scottish. > > > > I noticed the 1690 comment about the Protestant inhabitants leaving, but I > > also found no records which would prove that any events were recorded > while > > they were absent. Livingstone in his history of Monaghan does not mention > > an evacuation in 1690, but he does mention that in 1689 "The settlers in > the > > Clones area [English and Scottish] abandoned their country dwellings and > > formed themselves into small garrisons at the Montgomery house in > Ballyleck, > > at Redhills, and at Captain Townley's." But that event is described at > the > > beginning of a chapter entitled "The Settlers Consolidate"; most of those > > who evacuated must have returned very soon. > > > > Richard Smyth > > smyth@nc.rr.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <SMrcus@aol.com> > > To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > > > > > > > I just reviewed LDS film # 0897416 & it was titled, "Register of > > Clones > > > Parish, Diocese of Clogher & County Monaghan". It sure was interesting, > > but I > > > believe the records are Catholic records. I found a note in the marriage > > > records of 1690 that said "The 19th day of the month of March, the last > of > > > the Protestant inhabitants deserted the town and parish of Clones the > > Irish > > > possession themselves of that part of the county." > > > > > > If I'm wrong, I apologize & hope that someone will set the record > > > straight. > > > > > > Sue Marcus > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/27/00 3:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > PKostelnik@ij.net writes: > > > > > > << I'm a bit late on commenting on this topic, but I was away in Ireland > > [and > > > Co. Monaghan] until a few days ago. > > > > > > Unless I'm very mistaken, I do believe that the Clones Church Records > on > > LDS > > > film No. 0897416 to which you refer, are not Catholic Church records, > but > > > actually for the Clones Parish Church of Ireland, which covers Clones > > Parish > > > both in Co. Monaghan and Co. Fermanagh. > > > > > > I've looked at these records several times and my recollection is that > > they > > > were Church of Ireland records and, by the way, very interesting ones. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >