I have just been looking at that film myself. I am morally certain that most of the families are not Catholic. Almost all the names in the film are English or Scottish. I noticed the 1690 comment about the Protestant inhabitants leaving, but I also found no records which would prove that any events were recorded while they were absent. Livingstone in his history of Monaghan does not mention an evacuation in 1690, but he does mention that in 1689 "The settlers in the Clones area [English and Scottish] abandoned their country dwellings and formed themselves into small garrisons at the Montgomery house in Ballyleck, at Redhills, and at Captain Townley's." But that event is described at the beginning of a chapter entitled "The Settlers Consolidate"; most of those who evacuated must have returned very soon. Richard Smyth smyth@nc.rr.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <SMrcus@aol.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:53 PM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > I just reviewed LDS film # 0897416 & it was titled, "Register of Clones > Parish, Diocese of Clogher & County Monaghan". It sure was interesting, but I > believe the records are Catholic records. I found a note in the marriage > records of 1690 that said "The 19th day of the month of March, the last of > the Protestant inhabitants deserted the town and parish of Clones the Irish > possession themselves of that part of the county." > > If I'm wrong, I apologize & hope that someone will set the record > straight. > > Sue Marcus > > > In a message dated 7/27/00 3:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > PKostelnik@ij.net writes: > > << I'm a bit late on commenting on this topic, but I was away in Ireland [and > Co. Monaghan] until a few days ago. > > Unless I'm very mistaken, I do believe that the Clones Church Records on LDS > film No. 0897416 to which you refer, are not Catholic Church records, but > actually for the Clones Parish Church of Ireland, which covers Clones Parish > both in Co. Monaghan and Co. Fermanagh. > > I've looked at these records several times and my recollection is that they > were Church of Ireland records and, by the way, very interesting ones. > >> > >

Richard, you are correct about the names and about the desertion of the Protestants from the area for a few years, which did cause a break in the church records. I also recognized them as English/Scots names. I just looked in a good source, "Irish Records, Sources for Family and Local History" by James G. Ryan, Ph.D. On page 375 under Church of Ireland Records: Parish: Clones Existing Records: b. 1682; m. 1682; d. 1682 On page 377 under Roman Catholic Records: Civil Parish: Clones RC Parish: Clones Earliest Record: b. July, 1848; m. May 1821 Missing Dates: b. April, 1854-Apr, 1855; m. March 1840-Oct, 1840. This would indicate that the Clones Church Records found on LDS Microfilm No. 0897416 are indeed the very old Church of Ireland records of Clones Parish. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Smyth <smyth@nc.rr.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > I have just been looking at that film myself. I am morally certain that > most of the families are not Catholic. Almost all the names in the film are > English or Scottish. > > I noticed the 1690 comment about the Protestant inhabitants leaving, but I > also found no records which would prove that any events were recorded while > they were absent. Livingstone in his history of Monaghan does not mention > an evacuation in 1690, but he does mention that in 1689 "The settlers in the > Clones area [English and Scottish] abandoned their country dwellings and > formed themselves into small garrisons at the Montgomery house in Ballyleck, > at Redhills, and at Captain Townley's." But that event is described at the > beginning of a chapter entitled "The Settlers Consolidate"; most of those > who evacuated must have returned very soon. > > Richard Smyth > smyth@nc.rr.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <SMrcus@aol.com> > To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > > > > I just reviewed LDS film # 0897416 & it was titled, "Register of > Clones > > Parish, Diocese of Clogher & County Monaghan". It sure was interesting, > but I > > believe the records are Catholic records. I found a note in the marriage > > records of 1690 that said "The 19th day of the month of March, the last of > > the Protestant inhabitants deserted the town and parish of Clones the > Irish > > possession themselves of that part of the county." > > > > If I'm wrong, I apologize & hope that someone will set the record > > straight. > > > > Sue Marcus > > > > > > In a message dated 7/27/00 3:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > PKostelnik@ij.net writes: > > > > << I'm a bit late on commenting on this topic, but I was away in Ireland > [and > > Co. Monaghan] until a few days ago. > > > > Unless I'm very mistaken, I do believe that the Clones Church Records on > LDS > > film No. 0897416 to which you refer, are not Catholic Church records, but > > actually for the Clones Parish Church of Ireland, which covers Clones > Parish > > both in Co. Monaghan and Co. Fermanagh. > > > > I've looked at these records several times and my recollection is that > they > > were Church of Ireland records and, by the way, very interesting ones. > > >> > > > > > > >