Hello, Can someone help to clear up some confusion I have regarding Irish naming patterns? I've just recently started my Irish research and am not very knowledgeable. Ann Harney has listed Irish naming patterns as shown directly below. 1. First son: father's father 2. Second son: mother's father 3. Third son: father 4. Fourth son: father's oldest brother 5. Fifth son: father's second oldest brother or mother's oldest brother 6. First daughter: mother's mother. 7. Second daughter: father's mother. 8. Third daughter: mother 9. Fourth daughter: mother's oldest sister 10. Fifth daughter: mother's second oldest sister or father's oldest sister. On a recent trip to the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah, an employee told me that the list as shown above is a Scotish naming pattern and not necessarily true for the Irish. She said that Irish naming patterns were more likely to be that the first daughter was named after the father's mother, and the 2nd daughter was named after the mother's mother. This information is key to me being able to determine which one of two Denis McGoughs from Donaghmoyne parish was my g g grandfather. I appreciate any information you can offer. Thank very much. Judy

I am no authority on general trends but my family - John Short (1837) (father John Short - mother Elizabeth ?) & Mary Hely (1835) (father Samuel Hely mother Catherine Kernan) named their children born in OZ Elizabeth Short - fathers mother John Edward Short- Father's father Samuel Annon Short (would this be gaelic for Allen??) mother's father Terence Michael Short ?? Charles Henry Vincent Short ?? Naming patterns in Ireland may have lost importance by the 4th child ! PS does anyone know this family or which townland they came from before they emigrated?? Jenny in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: judyhw <judyhw@email.msn.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:14 AM Subject: IRISH NAMING PATTERNS > Hello, > > Can someone help to clear up some confusion I have regarding Irish naming patterns? I've just recently started my Irish research and am not very knowledgeable. > Ann Harney has listed Irish naming patterns as shown directly below. > > 1. First son: father's father > 2. Second son: mother's father > 3. Third son: father > 4. Fourth son: father's oldest brother > 5. Fifth son: father's second oldest brother or mother's oldest brother > 6. First daughter: mother's mother. > 7. Second daughter: father's mother. > 8. Third daughter: mother > 9. Fourth daughter: mother's oldest sister > 10. Fifth daughter: mother's second oldest sister or father's oldest sister. > > On a recent trip to the LDS Family History Library in Salt Lake City, Utah, an employee told me that the list as shown above is a Scotish naming pattern and not necessarily true for the Irish. She said that Irish naming patterns were more likely to be that the first daughter was named after the father's mother, and the 2nd daughter was named after the mother's mother. > > This information is key to me being able to determine which one of two Denis McGoughs from Donaghmoyne parish was my g g grandfather. > > I appreciate any information you can offer. > > Thank very much. > Judy > > >