____________________________________________________ Wouldn't you like to know which Betting Systems work and which are a waste of money? Read my Betting Systems Review blog before you part with your hard earned cash. Simply copy and paste the following link into your browser. http://bettingsystemsreview.blogspot.com/ From: irl-monaghan-request@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 163 To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 01:00:29 -0600 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: hugh.mccann@selexgalileo.com To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2012 06:21:37 +0000 Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE Morning Eileen, I have a Catherine Hughes (parents Bernard Hughes and Hannah Donnelly) married to a Bernard McCann abt 1820-25. Known children Bernard, Patrick born 1827, Co Monaghan, John born abt 1834, Catherine born 1842, Co Monaghan and Ann abt 1840. Know little else about the Hughes side of the family but may cross over with your own findings. Hugh McCann -----Original Message----- From: irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dlculhane@cs.com Sent: 08 October 2012 14:50 To: eileenbates@btinternet.com; irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE *** WARNING *** This message has originated outside your organisation, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. Eileen, you should do a new post entitled "Smyth and Hughes in Kilmore" so people familiar with one of these families will spot it in the archives. Remember many people look only at the subject line to see if the post might be of interest to them. Kilmore filmed records begin in 1836, too late for Joseph's baptism. However, you might find the marriages of some of Joseph's siblings on rootsireland.ie. Diane -----Original Message----- From: EILEEN BATES <eileenbates@btinternet.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:57 am Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE I think its wonderful that people can actually find information about their relatives in Ireland. I have a Joseph Smyth born in 1827 son of Joseph (a farmer) and Elisabeth Hughes, but I cant find any info on them. Joseph jnr was born in Kilmore, co Monaghan, and on army papers, says he is a wheelwright. But I cant find anything else out about this family. they were Catholics. If anyone ever comes across these names, please please remember me!! Thank you, Eileen From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 10:51 Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE Information supplied by Felix on birth certificates for his children and baptismal records from McCabe family history. Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <chrisnina@gmail.com> To: <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE > To order a cert go to: > http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm > You will need to send a credit card number which is where it can get > sticky. > > I can't find the marriage in the Civil Registration indexes. How did you > find it? > > Chris > >> Hi, >> I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my >> g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH& Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th >> November 1864 Parish of >> Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. 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Morning Eileen, I have a Catherine Hughes (parents Bernard Hughes and Hannah Donnelly) married to a Bernard McCann abt 1820-25. Known children Bernard, Patrick born 1827, Co Monaghan, John born abt 1834, Catherine born 1842, Co Monaghan and Ann abt 1840. Know little else about the Hughes side of the family but may cross over with your own findings. Hugh McCann -----Original Message----- From: irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of dlculhane@cs.com Sent: 08 October 2012 14:50 To: eileenbates@btinternet.com; irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE *** WARNING *** This message has originated outside your organisation, either from an external partner or the Global Internet. Keep this in mind if you answer this message. Eileen, you should do a new post entitled "Smyth and Hughes in Kilmore" so people familiar with one of these families will spot it in the archives. Remember many people look only at the subject line to see if the post might be of interest to them. Kilmore filmed records begin in 1836, too late for Joseph's baptism. However, you might find the marriages of some of Joseph's siblings on rootsireland.ie. Diane -----Original Message----- From: EILEEN BATES <eileenbates@btinternet.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:57 am Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE I think its wonderful that people can actually find information about their relatives in Ireland. I have a Joseph Smyth born in 1827 son of Joseph (a farmer) and Elisabeth Hughes, but I cant find any info on them. Joseph jnr was born in Kilmore, co Monaghan, and on army papers, says he is a wheelwright. But I cant find anything else out about this family. they were Catholics. If anyone ever comes across these names, please please remember me!! Thank you, Eileen From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 10:51 Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE Information supplied by Felix on birth certificates for his children and baptismal records from McCabe family history. Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <chrisnina@gmail.com> To: <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE > To order a cert go to: > http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm > You will need to send a credit card number which is where it can get > sticky. > > I can't find the marriage in the Civil Registration indexes. How did you > find it? > > Chris > >> Hi, >> I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my >> g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH& Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th >> November 1864 Parish of >> Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. >> Monaghan. >> I was wondering where I could order a copy? >> Regards, >> Carmel > > ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message SELEX Galileo Ltd Registered Office: Sigma House, Christopher Martin Road, Basildon, Essex SS14 3EL A company registered in England & Wales. Company no. 02426132 ******************************************************************** This email and any attachments are confidential to the intended recipient and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient please delete it from your system and notify the sender. You should not copy it or use it for any purpose nor disclose or distribute its contents to any other person. ********************************************************************

Thomas Dawson was born in 1725 and succeeded his father in 1766. Between 1749 and 1768 he was MP for Co. Monaghan. On 28 May 1770 he was created Baron Dartrey of Dawson Grove, on 19 June 1785, Viscount Cremorne, and on 20 November 1797 he was created Baron Cremorne of Castle Dawson with a special remainder, since his three sons had died young (two of them in the same year, 1787), to his nephew, Richard Dawson. He married firstly, on 15 August 1754, Anne, youngest daughter of Thomas Fermor, 1st Earl of Pomfret. She died on 1 March 1769 and was buried at Kilcrow, the parish church of Ematris, built within the Dawson Grove demesne by Alderman Richard Dawson in 1729.During the 1798 rebellion in Ireland, ... [Lord Cremorne] had his wife's remains and those of the children removed from ... [Kilcrow] and deposited, with those of the children of his second marriage, in Buckinghamshire (probably at Stoke Park, the seat of his relation by marriage, Sir Thomas Penn) Lord Cremorne remarried shortly afterwards, on 8 May 1770. His second wife was Philadelphia Hannah Freame, grand-daughter of William Penn, the founder of Pennsylvania. (Penn's second marriage in 1695/1696 was to Hannah Callowhill, and their second daughter, Margaret, married Thomas Freame)... Philadelphia was their daughter, and was born in that city. She died on 14 April 1826 in Stanhope Street, Mayfair. Lord Cremorne died on 1 March 1813 at Stanhope Street, when the barony of Dartrey and viscountcy of Cremorne became extinct. Lord Cremorne's heir was his nephew, Richard Dawson (1762-1807), MP for Co. Monaghan, 1797-1807. He was educated, 1775-1780, at TCD and Magdalen College, Oxford, and married in 1784 Catherine, daughter of Colonel Arthur Graham of Hockley, Co. Armagh, by whom he had a son and four daughters. He was sheriff of Co. Monaghan in 1792-1793, and '... was associated with the family bank in Dublin. He pre-deceased his uncle, dying in 1807. a 58-foot-high Corinthian limestone column, surmounted by an urn and situated on the Monaghan- Cootehill road and within the former Dawson Grove demesne. The arms of the Dawson family appear on two sides of the square plinth at its base and the following inscription on the other two: "This column was erected by the free and independent electors of the county of Monaghan to perpetuate the memory of Richard Dawson Esq., who was unanimously returned by them to five successive parliaments. He died their faithful representative on 3 September 1807, aged 44 years." As a result of Richard Dawson's premature death, it was his son, Richard Thomas Dawson (1788-1827), MP for Co. Monaghan, 1812-1813, who succeeded Lord Cremorne in 1813, though he did not succeed to his great-uncle's viscountcy but only to the barony of Cremorne created with a special remainder in 1797. He, too, died young, aged 38, in 1827, leaving two sons. The younger, Colonel the Hon. Thomas Vesey Dawson (1819-1854) was killed at the battle of Inkerman in 1854. He is commemorated by yet another Dawson monument, this one a granite pillar erected nearly opposite the County Courthouse in Monaghan in 1858. The elder son, Richard Dawson, 3rd Lord Cremorne (1817-1897), succeeded at the age of ten and was under the tutelage of guardians and/or the Court of Chancery until 1838. He was created a peer of the United Kingdom as Baron Dartrey in 1847, was a Lord-in-Waiting, 1857-1858 and 1859-1866, and was created Earl of Dartrey, also in the peerage of the United Kingdom, in 1866. In politics he was a Whig/Liberal, until he broke with Gladstone over the first Home Rule Bill in 1886 and became a Liberal-Unionist. He was Lieutenant of Co. Monaghan from 1871 until his death in 1897. In 1841, he married Augusta, second daughter of Edward Stanley of Cross Hall, Lancashire, and grand-daughter of the 8th Earl of Lauderdale. She died in 1887. On the death of the 1st Earl of Dartrey in 1897, he was succeeded by his eldest son, Vesey Dawson, 2nd Earl of Dartrey (1842-1920), Lord Dartrey married in 1882 and had two daughters. He was succeeded in the earldom by the Hon. Anthony Lucius Dawson, youngest and only surviving son of the 1st Earl. The 3rd Earl died without issue in 1933, when all the family honours became extinct. However, he never came into possession of the remnant of the family estate, which on 4 June 1921 was vested formally – possibly as a result of some inter-familial arrangement - in Lady Edith Anne, elder daughter of the 2nd Earl. She was the last Dawson to live in Dartrey House, and it was she who was forced to take the decision to demolish it in 1946.

Information supplied by Felix on birth certificates for his children and baptismal records from McCabe family history. Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <chrisnina@gmail.com> To: <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE > To order a cert go to: > http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm > You will need to send a credit card number which is where it can get > sticky. > > I can't find the marriage in the Civil Registration indexes. How did you > find it? > > Chris > >> Hi, >> I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my >> g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH& Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th >> November 1864 Parish of >> Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. >> Monaghan. >> I was wondering where I could order a copy? >> Regards, >> Carmel > >

Thank you Diane Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: <dlculhane@cs.com> To: <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 7:03 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE I'd suggest Googling them. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 7, 2012 3:00 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & MargaretMCCABE Thank you for your reply. Could you please tell me how do I make contact with the Monaghan Genealogy? Regards Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: <dlculhane@cs.com> To: <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & MargaretMCCABE I can't find them in the 1864 civil marriage index on familysearch, but the Irish Times site shows that Monaghan Genealogy has filmed the Killeevan parish records. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:12 pm Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & Margaret MCCABE Hi, I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH & Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th November 1864 Parish of Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. Monaghan. I was wondering where I could order a copy? Regards, Carmel ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

PRONI HAS.... marriage settlements, wills, and papers bearing on Dawson family finance and general matters of title, 1682-1906, which include: feoffments granted by Richard Dawson 'of Anagh, Co. Monaghan', on the occasion of the marriage of his daughter, Frances, and Walter Dawson of Armagh, 1682; marriage settlements of John Dawson, eldest son of Walter Dawson of Armagh, and Elinor, daughter of James Dawson of Ballynacourty, Co. Tipperary, 1716, of James Dawson and Janet Fa[u]lkner, 1720, of Richard Dawson of Dublin, merchant, and Elizabeth Vesey, daughter of the late Archbishop of Tuam, 1723, of Ralph Dawson of Tamlaghtmore, Co. Tyrone, and Anne, daughter of John Walker of Liskyborough, Co. Armagh, 1734, of Thomas Dawson, later Viscount Cremorne, and Lady Anne Fermor, 1754, and of Richard Dawson, younger brother of Viscount Cremorne, and Anne, daughter of Sir Edward O'Brien, Bt, of Dromoland, Co. Clare, 1758, and papers relating to the marriage settlements of the Hon. Vesey Thomas Dawson and his elder brother, the 3rd Lord Cremorne, later 1st Earl of Dartrey, 1840-1841; wills and probates of members of the Dawson family, 1701-1897; mortgage from Rev. John Maxwell of 'Falkland', Co. Monaghan, to Alderman Richard Dawson of Dublin, on Maxwell's lands of 'Coolemulthilly', etc, Co. Monaghan, 1750; deeds relating to the charge of Colonel Charles Rawdon and Colonel John Dawson Rawdon on the Dawson estate, in consequence of the marriage of Colonel Charles Rawdon to Henrietta, niece of Viscount Cremorne, 1793-1849; rentals, correspondence and other papers relating to the Co. Monaghan property at Glaslough, Co. Monaghan, and elsewhere, of the late Rev. Francis Dawson, 1831-1842; mortgages, declarations of trust, schedules, etc, relating to the London town house in Stanhope Street, and the Irish estates in Cos Monaghan, Louth, Armagh and Waterford, of the 2nd and 3rd Lords Cremorne, 1820-1839; and deeds of settlement and trust relating to the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Earls of Dartrey, 1875-1921. Title deeds, leases, etc The first group of title deeds, leases, etc, relate to lands in the baronies of Trough and Monaghan, Co. Monaghan, 1636-1844, and include: papers relating to Alderman Richard Dawson's purchase in 1748 of the lands of 'Fegullion', Drumcondra and 'Durnahinch', in the barony of Trough, 1663-1748; papers relating to the Cavan Cope estate, in the barony of Trough, bought in 1740 by Alderman Richard Dawson of Dublin, 1636-1742; title deeds and other papers relating to other Dawson purchases in the barony of Trough, 1640-1771; title deeds and other papers relating to Alderman Richard Dawson's purchase of lands of Tetoppa, in the barony of Monaghan, 1703-1748; conveyance from Robert Leslie of Glaslough to Alderman Richard Dawson of lands in the barony of Trough, 1737; purchase calculations of, and conveyance to, Alderman Richard Dawson of the lands of Ballynahone, Leitrim, Killeef, Tamlat, etc, 1743 and 1751; and expired leases of lands in the baronies of Trough and Monaghan, 1819-1844 Next come title deeds, leases, valuations, etc, relating to the Willoughby estate in the barony of Dartrey, Co. Monaghan, and in Co. Fermanagh, 1669-1867. They include: title deeds of the Willoughby/Montgomery family and their connections by marriage, the Coles of Florencecourt, Co. Fermanagh, some of them concerning lands in the barony of Dartrey which were bought by Alderman Richard Dawson, and all of them relating to lands in Co. Fermanagh, including the will of Nicholas Willoughby, 1669; the marriage settlements of Hugh Willoughby and Mary Anne Creighton, 1706, of John Cole and Florence Wray, of John Cole Junior and Elizabeth Willoughby, 1728, of Cromwell Price and Mary Willoughby Montgomery, 1741, and of Alexander Montgomery of Ballyleck, Co. Monaghan, and Catherine Willoughby Montgomery, 1746; papers relating to the letting of 'Carrow' demesne, 1746-1747; papers relating to Hugh Willoughby Montgomery's mortgage to Alderman Richard Dawson of Annaveagh and other lands in the barony of Dartrey, and in Co. Fermanagh, which were subsequently sold to Dawson, 1741 and 1745; conveyances, valuations, bonds, etc, relating to the sale to Alderman Richard Dawson by the husbands of the co-heiresses of the late Hugh Willoughby Montgomery of 'Carrow', of lands in Dartrey and Fermanagh, including a valuation of 'Carrow' demesne, and a survey of the Willoughby estate, 1746-1766; expired leases of most of the Dartrey lands purchased by the Dawsons from Hugh Willoughby Montgomery, 1702-1802; and title deeds and leases of 'Marnaharn' on the Willoughby estate in the barony of Dartrey, 1710-1867. A further group of title deeds, leases, legal papers, etc, 1654-1857, relate to the lands in the baronies of Dartrey and Cremorne, Co. Monaghan, specified in Cornet Richard Dawson's patent of 1667. These include: deeds of sale to Cornet Richard Dawson and his fellow-soldiers of debentures for lands in the baronies of Dartrey and Cremorne, 1654-1659; power of attorney to Cornet Richard Dawson from members of Colonel Robert Venables's troop of horse, authorising him to act for them in respect of their claims for payment in land, 1661, with a copy of the claim and a statement of the lands earmarked for Venables's troop, 1662, and further sales of lands to Dawson, 1662-1666; patent confirming to Dawson lands in the baronies of Dartrey and Cremorne, 1667; leases of Drumintin and Cassan, Co. Fermanagh, 1664-1749, of 'Dernamoyle' and Dyan, 1667-1720, of Dromore, which later became part of the Dawson Grove demesne, 1662-1719, of land in the parish of Aghnamullen, 1750, of tenements in the town of Drum, 1668-1844, of Drumgoole, 1668-1844, of Cordressogagh, Co. Cavan, 1668 and 1723, of Drumany, Mucklagh and Knockbane, 1669-1800, of Dromyarkin, Co. Fermanagh, 1676-1723, and of Racreeghan, 1857; legal case papers relating to the lawsuit, Francis Dawson -v- Francis Dawson, one of them the nephew of John Dawson of Dromore and the other his grandson, involving the lands of Dromore, 1764-1776; and papers relating to the Dawson title to Aghateeduff and Doohat, 1668-1773. There are also some title deeds, leases, rentals, etc, relating to lands in the same baronies (Dartrey and Cremorne), 1665-1867, acquired by the Dawson family subsequently, mainly between 1673 and 1750. Accounts, rentals, receipts and miscellaneous papers relating to the Dawson estates in Co. Monaghan, and to Co. Monaghan generally, 1674-1952, include: receipts to Richard Dawson of Annagh as sheriff of Co. Monaghan, 1674-1675 and 1686; a valuation of the barony of Dartrey for purposes of county cess and county presentments, 1700; Thomas Dawson's commission of the peace for Co. Monaghan, 1758; quit rent receipts to the 1st Lord Dartrey for his lands in the baronies of Cremorne, Monaghan and Trough, 1779-1791, and for lands in the barony of Dartrey, 1779, 1781-1783 and 1864; statement of accounts between Lord Dartrey and his agents, Edward and William Mayne, 1801; volume containing a verbal survey and rental of Lord Cremorne's Co. Monaghan estate, 1802; papers relating to the glebe of Ematris parish, 1826-c.1940; Irish Land Commission sale papers, Louth Assizes case papers, accounts and correspondence relating to the Dawson family estates, c.1880-c.1940; rentals and accounts between Captain C.A. Windham and Lady Edith-Anne Windham-Dawson, daughter and heiress of the 2nd Earl of Dartrey, and Messrs Martin & Brett, solicitors, Monaghan, relating to the Dawson family's remaining land in Louth and Monaghan, 1932-1952; and valuations, inventories, catalogues and other papers relating to Dartrey House and demesne, including papers concerning its assessment for rates and demolition in 1946, and other papers which relate to the financial background to these events, c.1931-1945. Louth estate papers The Louth estate is represented by title deeds, leases, etc, 1710-1872, mainly of the lands of Russellstown, Rathneestin, Tullyhorn, etc, purchased by Alderman Richard Dawson in 1753. These include: title deeds of Kilcurly in the barony of Dundalk, 1710-1771; title deeds and other papers relating to Arthurstown, etc, part of the estate of the Tenison family of Thomastown, which was mortgaged to Alderman Richard Dawson, 1710-1771; title deeds and other papers, 1710-1780, relating to the lands of Russellstown, Rathneestin, Tullyhorn, Roodstown, Richardstown, etc, sold by William Brownlow of Lurgan to Alderman Richard Dawson in 1753; Primate's leases to, and sub-leases from, the Dawsons/Cremornes of the lands of Corstown, Co. Louth, held under the See of Armagh, 1762-1836; quit rent receipts to Alexander Henry, Viscount Cremorne's Co. Louth agent, relating to lands in the barony of Ardee, 1784-1795; deeds of settlement relating to Tullyhorn which Viscount Cremorne settled on his niece, Henrietta Dawson, and the children of her marriage to Colonel Charles Rawdon, 1793-1818; letters to Colonel John Dawson Rawdon, MP, relating to Tullyhorn and Rathneestin, 1850 and 1853; Chancery bill relating to the cutting of turf on 'Booley', part of the 2nd Lord Cremorne's estate in the barony of Ardee, 1827; and orders of the Church Temporalities Commissioners relating to the tithe rent charge on the 1st Earl of Dartrey's property in the parishes of Dunbin and Stabannon, 1872 Armagh estate papers The Armagh estate is documented by title deeds, leases and other papers relating to tenements in Armagh city and to lands in Co. Armagh, chiefly the Blackwatertown estate in the parish of Clonfeacle, held under the See of Armagh, 1714-1872 and 1920. These include: legal opinion relating to the late Walter Dawson of Armagh's lease of the tolls and customs of the markets and fairs of Armagh, which Primate Lindsay declared invalid, 1714; Primate's leases to the Dawsons/Cremornes of lands in the territory of Clonfeacle, Co. Armagh, 1779-1836, and of tenements in Armagh city, 1795-1860; deeds of mortgage on tenements in Armagh city and on lands in Cos Armagh and Louth, held by the 1st Earl of Dartrey under the See of Armagh, 1872 and 1874; and Irish Land Commission and Estate Duty Office rentals of the Armagh estate of the late 2nd Earl of Dartrey, 1920 and 1921. Tipperary estate papers A small group of title deeds, etc, 1666-1851, relate to the lands of Abbeville, Lacken, etc, in the barony of Lower Ormond, Co. Tipperary, acquired by the Dawson family c.1850. They include: mortgages, deeds of settlement, Encumbered Estates Court abstract of title, etc, relating to the Abbeville estate and to the Hemsworth family, from whom it was purchased Waterford estate papers There are also title deeds, rentals, etc, 1687-1924, relating to the much more substantial manors of Templemichael [and Mountain Castle?] near Dungarvan, Co. Waterford, which were purchased by Alderman Richard Dawson from John, Earl Grandison in 1750. They include: leases, renewals, fee farm grants, etc, from the Grandison and Cremorne families, 1720-1924; accounts, rentals, writs, Chancery decrees, bills of costs, etc, 1751-1776, relating to the co-ownership of the Dawson and Holmes families of the property, which was partitioned in 1801; accounts between Viscount Cremorne and his Co. Waterford agent, Robert Mayne, and papers relating to the appointment of Mayne's successor, 1799-1804 and 1811; deeds, rentals and other papers relating to a mortgage of the Co. Waterford estate granted by the trustees of the 3rd Lord Cremorne, 1829-1842; deeds and papers relating to the conveyance by the 6th Duke of Devonshire to Lord Cremorne of the impropriate tithe rent charge on Cremorne's estate in the parishes of Kilgobnet, Colligan, Fews and Dungarvan, 1840-1841; and conveyances by the Church Temporalities Commissioners to Lord Cremorne, now 1st Earl of Dartrey, of the tithe rent charge on his estate in the parishes of Kilgobnet and Rossmire, 1872. Miscellaneous deeds there are a few miscellaneous title deeds, etc, to lands and property in Cos Cavan, Longford and Meath, and in Chelsea, 1639-1868 Dawson's Bank Papers of 1760 relate to Dawson's Bank, and to the measures taken by Richard and Thomas Dawson to provide security for the losses to its clients after its failure in that year. They include: deeds of trust, etc, making the debts of Dawson's Bank a charge on the Dawson estates in Cos Waterford and Armagh, 1760 and 1765; and papers of Richard and Thomas Dawson, possibly as executors or bankers of Daniel Cunningham, apparently of Messrs Cunningham & Beatty, wine merchants, 1768-1769 and 1778. Indentures of return The archive also includes the indenture of the return for the borough of Armagh, in 1847, of Colonel, later General, John Dawson Rawdon, son of Colonel Charles Rawdon and Henrietta Frances Dawson, and second husband of the 2nd Lord Cremorne's widow. The site of Armagh Roman Catholic Cathedral This summary omits one document which merits special mention and relates to the Co. Armagh estate, most of which (as has been seen) was held under the Church of Ireland Primate. It is a cancelled lease of 1840 (shortly afterwards replaced by a lease which was executed) from the 3rd Lord Cremorne/1st Earl of Dartrey to the Rt Rev. William Crolly, Roman Catholic Archbishop of Armagh, of a part of the townland of Knockadrain called Desart as a site for the intended Catholic cathedral. The duration of the lease is 21 years and the rent is £700 a year. As with many Catholic churches erected post-1829, Armagh cathedral was built on an elevated site with the clear intention of dominating its Church of Ireland opposite number. Leases of non-urban property granted by the Church of Ireland ran for a maximum of 21 years, so the duration of the lease granted by Lord Cremorne implies strongly that the head landlord of the site was the Church of Ireland Archbishop. If this was the case, it is an amusing irony that the rival cathedral was built on the Church of Ireland Primate's land. This episode, though it relates to the Armagh estate, had its Co. Monaghan parallels. According to Peter McKenna, Lord Cremorne's first act after his coming-of-age in 1838 had been to grant a perpetuity lease of a site near Monaghan town for the building of a Roman Catholic seminary (apparently at a time when other Protestant landowners had been approached in vain with the same request), and he also gave a site and some money for the building of a local Catholic church at Monage, near Dawson Grove. Needless to say, these actions may have been motivated by political calculation quite as much as by religious tolerance

> > Good evening (or morning) everyone, > I am looking for information on the Dawson's of Drumintin, Ematris Parish, Monaghan. I am looking for ANY information on the Dawson families of the area specifically the following names (below). Any information would be appreciated as I have hit the brick wall. The first four names below are from the 1796 Flax growers list 1. DAWSON, Angus of Ematris 2. DAWSON, Richard of Ematris 3. DAWSON, Thomas of Ematris 4. DAWSON, Edward of Ematris 5. DAWSON, Ralph Dawson of Tanagh 6. DAWSON, Michael Dawson 7. DAWSON, Captain Charles Dawson of Tanagh 8. DAWSON, George (1796-1880) married Jane Graham 1827, Kilcrow Thanks so much. Gavin Dawson Auckland, New Zealand Email: dawson.gavin@gmail.com

Good afternoon....LOL Have you Thomas' Will? "In the name of God, Amen, I, Thomas Dawson of Dawson's Grove in King's County, Prince Edward Island, North America, being in perfect health, .....etc To my three sons, Samuel Edward Dawson, Thomas Dawson, and Richard Dawson, all my estate, containing land on which I dwell, in all 600 acres..... On March 19, 1800, Thomas purchased 500 acres of land in lot 39, King's County, Prince Edward Island, for which he paid 135 pounds, 8 shillings, and 4 pence, British sterling. He later added another 100 acres, and named it "Dawson's Grove" after the family estate in Ireland. DH On 08/10/2012 14:50, irl-monaghan-request@rootsweb.com wrote: >> Good evening (or morning) everyone, >> > > I am looking for information on the Dawson's of Drumintin, Ematris Parish, > Monaghan. I am looking for ANY information on the Dawson families of the > area specifically the following names (below). Any information would be > appreciated as I have hit the brick wall. > > The first four names below are from the 1796 Flax growers list > > 1. DAWSON, Angus of Ematris > 2. DAWSON, Richard of Ematris > 3. DAWSON, Thomas of Ematris > 4. DAWSON, Edward of Ematris > 5. DAWSON, Ralph Dawson of Tanagh > 6. DAWSON, Michael Dawson > 7. DAWSON, Captain Charles Dawson of Tanagh > 8. DAWSON, George (1796-1880) married Jane Graham 1827, Kilcrow > > Thanks so much. > > Gavin Dawson

I think its wonderful that people can actually find information about their relatives in Ireland. I have a Joseph Smyth born in 1827 son of Joseph (a farmer) and Elisabeth Hughes, but I cant find any info on them. Joseph  jnr  was born in Kilmore, co Monaghan, and on army papers, says he is a wheelwright. But I cant find anything else out about this family. they were Catholics. If anyone ever comes across these names, please please remember me!! Thank you, Eileen From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 10:51 Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE Information supplied by Felix on birth certificates for his children and baptismal records from McCabe family history. Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <chrisnina@gmail.com> To: <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE > To order a cert go to: > http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm > You will need to send a credit card number which is where it can get > sticky. > > I can't find the marriage in the Civil Registration indexes. How did you > find it? > > Chris > >> Hi, >> I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my >> g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH&  Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th >> November 1864 Parish of >> Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan.  Margaret was born Dunseark Co. >> Monaghan. >> I was wondering where I could order a copy? >> Regards, >> Carmel > > ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Chris I posted a reply a little while back when someone was looking for contact details for Scotshouse...it gave all the contact details for all the churches in Clogher Diocese with maps, email addresses, phone numbers etc.. I can't get on the board to look at archives because of the server here but it would possibly be July.. Dave Christina Hunt <chrisnina@gmail.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & MargaretMCCABE To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <5071EAB3.3010401@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Carmel, A Felix Smyth married an Anne (last name did not come up as McCabe) in 1863 in Monaghan. The parish was ERRIGAL TRUAGH (RC). That was the closest hit I could find. This is from RootsIreland: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Christina > Hi, > I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my > g-g-grandparents, > Felix SMITH& Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th November 1864 Parish of > Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. > Monaghan. > I was wondering where I could order a copy? > Regards, > Carmel

Eileen, you should do a new post entitled "Smyth and Hughes in Kilmore" so people familiar with one of these families will spot it in the archives. Remember many people look only at the subject line to see if the post might be of interest to them. Kilmore filmed records begin in 1836, too late for Joseph's baptism. However, you might find the marriages of some of Joseph's siblings on rootsireland.ie. Diane -----Original Message----- From: EILEEN BATES <eileenbates@btinternet.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, Oct 8, 2012 7:57 am Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE I think its wonderful that people can actually find information about their relatives in Ireland. I have a Joseph Smyth born in 1827 son of Joseph (a farmer) and Elisabeth Hughes, but I cant find any info on them. Joseph jnr was born in Kilmore, co Monaghan, and on army papers, says he is a wheelwright. But I cant find anything else out about this family. they were Catholics. If anyone ever comes across these names, please please remember me!! Thank you, Eileen From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, 8 October 2012, 10:51 Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE Information supplied by Felix on birth certificates for his children and baptismal records from McCabe family history. Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Christina Hunt" <chrisnina@gmail.com> To: <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2012 7:30 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH &MargaretMCCABE > To order a cert go to: > http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm > You will need to send a credit card number which is where it can get > sticky. > > I can't find the marriage in the Civil Registration indexes. How did you > find it? > > Chris > >> Hi, >> I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my >> g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH& Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th >> November 1864 Parish of >> Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. >> Monaghan. >> I was wondering where I could order a copy? >> Regards, >> Carmel > > ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you for your reply. Could you please tell me how do I make contact with the Monaghan Genealogy? Regards Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: <dlculhane@cs.com> To: <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & MargaretMCCABE I can't find them in the 1864 civil marriage index on familysearch, but the Irish Times site shows that Monaghan Genealogy has filmed the Killeevan parish records. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:12 pm Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & Margaret MCCABE Hi, I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH & Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th November 1864 Parish of Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. Monaghan. I was wondering where I could order a copy? Regards, Carmel ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Carmel, A Felix Smyth married an Anne (last name did not come up as McCabe) in 1863 in Monaghan. The parish was ERRIGAL TRUAGH (RC). That was the closest hit I could find. This is from RootsIreland: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Christina > Hi, > I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my > g-g-grandparents, > Felix SMITH& Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th November 1864 Parish of > Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. > Monaghan. > I was wondering where I could order a copy? > Regards, > Carmel

To order a cert go to: http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm You will need to send a credit card number which is where it can get sticky. I can't find the marriage in the Civil Registration indexes. How did you find it? Chris > Hi, > I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my > g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH& Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th November 1864 Parish of > Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. > Monaghan. > I was wondering where I could order a copy? > Regards, > Carmel

I'd suggest Googling them. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sun, Oct 7, 2012 3:00 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & MargaretMCCABE Thank you for your reply. Could you please tell me how do I make contact with the Monaghan Genealogy? Regards Carmel ----- Original Message ----- From: <dlculhane@cs.com> To: <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 1:53 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & MargaretMCCABE I can't find them in the 1864 civil marriage index on familysearch, but the Irish Times site shows that Monaghan Genealogy has filmed the Killeevan parish records. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:12 pm Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & Margaret MCCABE Hi, I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH & Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th November 1864 Parish of Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. Monaghan. I was wondering where I could order a copy? Regards, Carmel ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH & Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th November 1864 Parish of Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. Monaghan. I was wondering where I could order a copy? Regards, Carmel

I can't find them in the 1864 civil marriage index on familysearch, but the Irish Times site shows that Monaghan Genealogy has filmed the Killeevan parish records. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Carmel McKenzie <mckensie4@bigpond.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Oct 6, 2012 9:12 pm Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate for Felix SMITH & Margaret MCCABE Hi, I would like to get a copy of the Marriage certificate of my g-g-grandparents, Felix SMITH & Margaret McCABE, who were married 8th November 1864 Parish of Killeevan, St. Livinus, Co Monaghan. Margaret was born Dunseark Co. Monaghan. I was wondering where I could order a copy? Regards, Carmel ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi, re: Looks like the film should include 1878 marriages. Or you could e-mail the parochial house at bearly@eircom.net. Thank you for that, I will give it a try. SEAN --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: dlculhane@cs.com To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 10:07:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate from St. Marys Church, Scotstown Here's a link to the Irish Times page for Tydavnet parish: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Monaghan&parish=Tydavnet&churchid=319 Looks like the film should include 1878 marriages. Or you could e-mail the parochial house at bearly@eircom.net. Diane

hi, I would like to get a copy of the Marriage cert. of my g-grandparents who were married on 4 Mar 1878 at St Marys Church, Scotstown. There is no official record for some reason...... I was wondering if it is possible to order one by post direct from St Marys Church ?? Any guidance would be welcomed. Regards, SEAN

Here's a link to the Irish Times page for Tydavnet parish: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Monaghan&parish=Tydavnet&churchid=319 Looks like the film should include 1878 marriages. Or you could e-mail the parochial house at bearly@eircom.net. Diane -----Original Message----- From: sean roche <seanroche1@hotmail.com> To: MONAGHAN list <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thu, Oct 4, 2012 7:26 am Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Marriage certificate from St. Marys Church, Scotstown hi, I would like to get a copy of the Marriage cert. of my g-grandparents who were married on 4 Mar 1878 at St Marys Church, Scotstown. There is no official record for some reason...... I was wondering if it is possible to order one by post direct from St Marys Church ?? Any guidance would be welcomed. Regards, SEAN ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message