Diane, Thank you for this. I had looked at the Tithe Applotments, but wasn't yet sure what to make of them. Still unfamiliar to Ireland resources, I'd had no idea whether any of my lot would have appeared in them. Your way of searching enables me to focus a little better. Clontibret might indeed be a good place to start, although when I vary the spelling to McAnally, McEnally etc, other parishes are interesting too. At least Fitzpatrick spelling is more likely to stay the same. Trawling these pages will keep me busy for some time and it remains to be seen whether I'll make any real progress, but it's fascinating to see the distribution of names, sur and first. And tracing the lie of the parishes will help to give me more insight into this new-found area in my family lines. (This year, after 64 years of knowing little or nothing about who my father was, I finally managed to trace his family, and have met up with cousins, his sister and even some of my half-siblings half across the world. More of those still to be found, but meantime I've been tracing our Dad's roots back to England and now Ireland. That was something none of his family in Canada knew about, so it's lovely to be able to share this with them.) Yes, in these McNally/Fitzpatrick lines I am looking for RC records. You say Clontibret parish records start in 1860. Is there any likelihood of finding other sources? Somewhere I saw a disclaimer at the top of the available records pages saying "this exludes original records held locally." Might there be earlier parish records still in existence somewhere in Co Monaghan? And on one list of earlier Church of Ireland records, I saw plenty of names that were likely of Catholic origin, not just marriages between denominations. I know that in some areas and times in Scotland, non Church of Scotland events were recorded in their annals in various villages, for some attempt at 'completeness'. Did anything similar ever occur in Irish parishes, I wonder? Just thinking aloud, thank you, Katie de Haan 2012/11/21 <dlculhane@cs.com> > > > The National Archives have just posted the Tithe Applotments, which were > done in the 1820s and 1830s-- > http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp A > search for McNallys in Monaghan turns up 100, with 61 of them in Clontibret > parish, including several Owens, and also many Fitzpatricks. > > Many parish records have been filmed by the LDS (check the catalog on > familysearch.org). Unfortunately, Catholic Clontibret records don't begin > until 1860, too late for you, but if your ancestors were Protestant, you > might be in luck. > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katie de Haan <gallorosso99@gmail.com> > To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> > Cc: gallorosso <gallorosso@home.nl> > Sent: Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:20 am > Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McNALLY and FITZPATRICK Co Monaghan early 1800s > > > > > Hello list, > > I am trying to trace the family of my paternal grandmother, Elizabeth Dodd > b > abt1890 in Northumberland England and died in the 1980s in Canada. She is > said > to have been 'Irish' and I am enjoying trying to find out how much of this > myth > was true. In fact, not she or her parents were born in Ireland, but her > maternal grandparents, my great great grandparents. Now I'm trying to > trace > them back further. > > One day, I hope to visit the Irish National Library and consult the parish > records for myself, but meantime i wonder whether anyone has come across > the > family, in their own lines or anywhere else :- > > Michael McNally various spellings, born around 1812 in Co Monaghan, parish > unknown and wife > Margaret Fitzpatrick also b around 1812 in Co Monaghan. > > Children registered with them in Hexham Northumberland are Mary 1839 Owen > 1844 > Michael 1850 Margaret 1855 Ann 1857 George 1859. Birth years approximate, > Mary > and Owen born Ireland, Michael jr born Scotland and the others including my > great grandmother 'Margaret born Hexham. Firstborn children suggest an > eaerlier > generation with names Mary and Owen. Margaret 1812ish maiden name > Fitzpatrick > from son George's birth record. > > I'd be interested in any light you may be able to shed on this family or > where I > might find out more about them. > > Thank you > Katie de Haan > The Netherlands > > > > ================================= > > Message Boards: > http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > ================================= > > Message Boards: > http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Katie, you could try e-mailing (sower@eircom.net) or writing (Parochial House, Clontibret, Co. Monaghan) St. Mary's in Clontibret and asking if they might have Michael and Margaret's marriage or any baptisms of their children in the late 1830s and 1840s (many children died in infancy in those years; there were likely children born between Mary, Owen, and Michael). You might try Church of Ireland records, too, though it's a long shot. Believe me, I understand your excitement. All my grandparents were born in Ireland and emigrated separately to Illinois in the 1890s, but I was able to trace all their families and visit their birthplaces. It's wonderful. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Katie de Haan <gallorosso99@gmail.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sat, Nov 24, 2012 4:46 am Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McNALLY and FITZPATRICK Co Monaghan early 1800s Diane, Thank you for this. I had looked at the Tithe Applotments, but wasn't yet sure what to make of them. Still unfamiliar to Ireland resources, I'd had no idea whether any of my lot would have appeared in them. Your way of searching enables me to focus a little better. Clontibret might indeed be a good place to start, although when I vary the spelling to McAnally, McEnally etc, other parishes are interesting too. At least Fitzpatrick spelling is more likely to stay the same. Trawling these pages will keep me busy for some time and it remains to be seen whether I'll make any real progress, but it's fascinating to see the distribution of names, sur and first. And tracing the lie of the parishes will help to give me more insight into this new-found area in my family lines. (This year, after 64 years of knowing little or nothing about who my father was, I finally managed to trace his family, and have met up with cousins, his sister and even some of my half-siblings half across the world. More of those still to be found, but meantime I've been tracing our Dad's roots back to England and now Ireland. That was something none of his family in Canada knew about, so it's lovely to be able to share this with them.) Yes, in these McNally/Fitzpatrick lines I am looking for RC records. You say Clontibret parish records start in 1860. Is there any likelihood of finding other sources? Somewhere I saw a disclaimer at the top of the available records pages saying "this exludes original records held locally." Might there be earlier parish records still in existence somewhere in Co Monaghan? And on one list of earlier Church of Ireland records, I saw plenty of names that were likely of Catholic origin, not just marriages between denominations. I know that in some areas and times in Scotland, non Church of Scotland events were recorded in their annals in various villages, for some attempt at 'completeness'. Did anything similar ever occur in Irish parishes, I wonder? Just thinking aloud, thank you, Katie de Haan 2012/11/21 <dlculhane@cs.com> > > > The National Archives have just posted the Tithe Applotments, which were > done in the 1820s and 1830s-- > http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp A > search for McNallys in Monaghan turns up 100, with 61 of them in Clontibret > parish, including several Owens, and also many Fitzpatricks. > > Many parish records have been filmed by the LDS (check the catalog on > familysearch.org). Unfortunately, Catholic Clontibret records don't begin > until 1860, too late for you, but if your ancestors were Protestant, you > might be in luck. > > Diane > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Katie de Haan <gallorosso99@gmail.com> > To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> > Cc: gallorosso <gallorosso@home.nl> > Sent: Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:20 am > Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McNALLY and FITZPATRICK Co Monaghan early 1800s > > > > > Hello list, > > I am trying to trace the family of my paternal grandmother, Elizabeth Dodd > b > abt1890 in Northumberland England and died in the 1980s in Canada. She is > said > to have been 'Irish' and I am enjoying trying to find out how much of this > myth > was true. In fact, not she or her parents were born in Ireland, but her > maternal grandparents, my great great grandparents. Now I'm trying to > trace > them back further. > > One day, I hope to visit the Irish National Library and consult the parish > records for myself, but meantime i wonder whether anyone has come across > the > family, in their own lines or anywhere else :- > > Michael McNally various spellings, born around 1812 in Co Monaghan, parish > unknown and wife > Margaret Fitzpatrick also b around 1812 in Co Monaghan. > > Children registered with them in Hexham Northumberland are Mary 1839 Owen > 1844 > Michael 1850 Margaret 1855 Ann 1857 George 1859. Birth years approximate, > Mary > and Owen born Ireland, Michael jr born Scotland and the others including my > great grandmother 'Margaret born Hexham. Firstborn children suggest an > eaerlier > generation with names Mary and Owen. Margaret 1812ish maiden name > Fitzpatrick > from son George's birth record. > > I'd be interested in any light you may be able to shed on this family or > where I > might find out more about them. > > Thank you > Katie de Haan > The Netherlands > > > > ================================= > > Message Boards: > http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body > of > the message > > > > > ================================= > > Message Boards: > http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In the database I made of the Clones parish Tithes a few years back I had Anyea labelled as Annahagh South. This was more than likely using the surnames present in the tithes and finding them resurfacing in the Griffiths Valuations 30 years later. Again, this is instinct really so could be incorrect. Ciaran

In a message dated 11/23/2012 10:32:00 A.M. Central Standard Time, doncarol@bell.net writes: Old Townland Parish Year New Townland Name Name Anyea Clones 1832 Annaghkilly or perhaps Annahagh North or South? Clonnagore Drummully 1833 Confad There is still a Clonnagore, isn't there? Annamartin Drumsnat 1825 Annoghmartin Annaghmartin I think this is the same, the spelling seems to vary according to the source. Killnahalters Kilmore 1825 Kilnahalter or Kilnahaltar another variation on spelling. Barnadonagh Magheross 1823 Barnlonagh Barndonagh Tyavera Tehallan 1832 Tiravera I use the website _www.seanruad.com_ (http://www.seanruad.com) as they have a handy search feature of searching by only a few letters at beginning or ending of word. Anita

Good Day I have obtained information on William Graham from the National Archives in Ireland and the Townland Names as shown are not what we have to-day. I have selected the possible Townland Names and would appreciate some kind person checking the names I have selected and indicate which are wrong and suggested changes. I selected the Parish first and then tried to fit in the Townland. Old Townland Parish Year New Townland Name Name Anyea Clones 1832 Annaghkilly Clonnagore Drummully 1833 Confad Annamartin Drumsnat 1825 Annoghmartin Killnahalters Kilmore 1825 Kilnahalter Barnadonagh Magheross 1823 Barnlonagh Tyavera Tehallan 1832 Tiravera Thank you for your help. Don

Hello list, I am trying to trace the family of my paternal grandmother, Elizabeth Dodd b abt1890 in Northumberland England and died in the 1980s in Canada. She is said to have been 'Irish' and I am enjoying trying to find out how much of this myth was true. In fact, not she or her parents were born in Ireland, but her maternal grandparents, my great great grandparents. Now I'm trying to trace them back further. One day, I hope to visit the Irish National Library and consult the parish records for myself, but meantime i wonder whether anyone has come across the family, in their own lines or anywhere else :- Michael McNally various spellings, born around 1812 in Co Monaghan, parish unknown and wife Margaret Fitzpatrick also b around 1812 in Co Monaghan. Children registered with them in Hexham Northumberland are Mary 1839 Owen 1844 Michael 1850 Margaret 1855 Ann 1857 George 1859. Birth years approximate, Mary and Owen born Ireland, Michael jr born Scotland and the others including my great grandmother 'Margaret born Hexham. Firstborn children suggest an eaerlier generation with names Mary and Owen. Margaret 1812ish maiden name Fitzpatrick from son George's birth record. I'd be interested in any light you may be able to shed on this family or where I might find out more about them. Thank you Katie de Haan The Netherlands

The National Archives have just posted the Tithe Applotments, which were done in the 1820s and 1830s--http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/home.jsp A search for McNallys in Monaghan turns up 100, with 61 of them in Clontibret parish, including several Owens, and also many Fitzpatricks. Many parish records have been filmed by the LDS (check the catalog on familysearch.org). Unfortunately, Catholic Clontibret records don't begin until 1860, too late for you, but if your ancestors were Protestant, you might be in luck. Diane -----Original Message----- From: Katie de Haan <gallorosso99@gmail.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Cc: gallorosso <gallorosso@home.nl> Sent: Wed, Nov 21, 2012 8:20 am Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McNALLY and FITZPATRICK Co Monaghan early 1800s Hello list, I am trying to trace the family of my paternal grandmother, Elizabeth Dodd b abt1890 in Northumberland England and died in the 1980s in Canada. She is said to have been 'Irish' and I am enjoying trying to find out how much of this myth was true. In fact, not she or her parents were born in Ireland, but her maternal grandparents, my great great grandparents. Now I'm trying to trace them back further. One day, I hope to visit the Irish National Library and consult the parish records for myself, but meantime i wonder whether anyone has come across the family, in their own lines or anywhere else :- Michael McNally various spellings, born around 1812 in Co Monaghan, parish unknown and wife Margaret Fitzpatrick also b around 1812 in Co Monaghan. Children registered with them in Hexham Northumberland are Mary 1839 Owen 1844 Michael 1850 Margaret 1855 Ann 1857 George 1859. Birth years approximate, Mary and Owen born Ireland, Michael jr born Scotland and the others including my great grandmother 'Margaret born Hexham. Firstborn children suggest an eaerlier generation with names Mary and Owen. Margaret 1812ish maiden name Fitzpatrick from son George's birth record. I'd be interested in any light you may be able to shed on this family or where I might find out more about them. Thank you Katie de Haan The Netherlands ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

If there is anyone reading this post who lives in or around Aughnamullen, Roo, just south of Ballybay, I am requesting your kind help. My grandmother, Mary COYLE, left Roo in Oct or late Sept 1897 bound for Hope, Rhode Island, where she lodged with the John KEENAN and his wife, Anne (COYLE) KEENAN, Mary's aunt; both John and Anne were from the area around Roo. Mary COYLE left a mother, a sister, and three brothers behind in Roo; they were still there in the 1901 and 1911 census, but after that I do not know what happened to them. If there is a cemetery in the Roo area, I am sure that some if not all are buried there along with Mary's father, Joseph Coyle, who died in early 1897. I am asking someone to be kind enough to tell me what is on their headstones. Here are the names and approximate dates of the family, all Catholic: Joseph COYLE (1833 - 1897) -- father Catherine (GILLEN) COYLE (1851 - 1918) -- mother Joseph COYLE (1879 - 1914) -- son Owen COYLE (1881 - 1951) -- son Patrick COYLE (1886 - 1952) -- son Margaret COYLE (1887 - 1942) -- daughter; she may have married in 1914, but the records available on line make it impossible to be sure. My grandmother, Mary COYLE, was born in 1878, and Joseph COYLE and Catherine GELLIN were married in 1877; the marriage was registered in Castleblaney. John Grimes

I have been looking throughout Ireland for closely related Gordon and McConnell families and have just found the only case to be on Aghintamy Townland, Monaghan Parish, County Monaghan. This 104 acre TLD is about 3 Km southeast of the town of Monaghan on the N2 to Dublin. I would be very pleased to hear from anyone who has specific information about these particular families. John McConnell and James, Samuel, Andrew and William Gordon were all listed in the 1826 Tithe records for Aughentamy Townland, Monaghan Parish, County Monaghan which is right next to Aghintamy TLD. The Griffith's Evaluation census for Aghintamy TLD taken from 1846 - 1852 listed a James & William Gordon plus a Margaret and 3 William McConnells, one with a father named Hugh. A Jane McConnell was listed in Tirfinnog TLD about 1/2 mile away. There is a Hugh McConnell with a 78 year old Uncle William on Aghintamy TLD in the 1901 census but all the Gordons died or had left. Here in the U.S. my William McConnell appears to be close to the William and Jane Gordon family in Philadelphia c. 1847-1853. Their children were named Sarah, James, David, William, Margaret and Hugh. The first three were born in Ireland per the 1850 census. William Gordon married a Mary Harbison in 1853 but I found no divorce, death or new marriage record for his first wife Jane Gordon. Per the 1856 Dubuque Co. Iowa census, my William McConnell plus (wife?) Jane and a David Gordon all born in Ireland and of the correct age are living on a farm in Vernon Township. Jane was listed as William's wife on their land deeds and in the 1860 census but she died in 1864 without having any children by him. I am starting to think that maybe she was really his older sister Jane Gordon McConnell. He son David went back to Philadelphia prior to 1860, joined the Union Army with his brother James in 1862 and died in 1863 of Typhoid Fever which he contracted at the army's Falmouth Station winter camp. My William McConnell married my great grandmother Charlotte Bouche in 1864 and had their their first son baptized as John G. W. McConnell. It has been a twenty year search to find my great grandfather's roots in Ireland and I will be forever greatful to anyone on this list that can help me sort this out. Robert McConnell

In the Tithes for Monaghan, I have looked for the townland of Derrynahesco (sometimes written Dernahesco) which is on the border between Monaghan, (near Scotstown) and Fermanagh not far from Roslea. I have not been able to find tithe records for this townland. In Griffiths, Derrynahesco is recorded under the Parish of Tednavet, and some maps show it located in the Parish of Clones. However, Derrynahesco does not show up either in the tithes for Tednavet or for Clones! Does anyone know where the tithes for Derrynahesco are to be found? James

Great news! The National Archives site has posted links to the Tithe Applotments (you can search by the first few letters of a name) and WWI soldiers' wills. Go to http://www.genealogy.nationalarchives.ie/ and enjoy! Diane

hi, I am still looking, without success so far, for descendants of my Grandmothers McGuirk family from Monaghan. In 1901 her father Hugh was living at the family farm at Annagally, Killylough, Monaghan. His siblings Owen, Peter, and Bridget were also living there. By 1911 Hugh has married and his siblings have left the house. I found immigration records for Owen and Hugh to New York. Owen was going to his sister Katie in New York. In 1911 my Grandmother Rosaleen/Rosalie was living at Annagally, Killylough, Monaghan - with her parents and siblings Peter, Catherine, Mary Bridget. Hoping someone on the list knows or is related to the family. Regards, SEAN

the November edition of the free mag on this website features Co. Monaghan Haven't read it yet, but am looking forward to it, http://www.irishlivesremembered.com <http://www.irishlivesremembered.com/> cheers, Karen.

I have just posted a piece on my blog that may be of interest: http://sharonoddiebrown.blogspot.ca/2012/10/the-irish-governors-of-hong-kong.html As always, if you spot errors, or have more to add, I am all ears, Ta, Sharon -- Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: www.thesilverbowl.com

I am currently researching and writing a book called: /The Silver Bowl: The Unexpectedly Irish Roots of HSBC/. It centers on Thomas JACKSON, of Huguenot and Scots-Irish heritage. He was born in Co. Leitrim, raised in Co. Armagh, and schooled in Co. Dublin - but his story also touches on just about every other county in Ireland. His father was Church of Ireland, and his mother Presbyterian. He also brought several Catholics out to work with him in Hong Kong. I will be going to Hong Kong in November to do more research (and will be speaking at the Royal Asiatic Society while I am there). If anyone on this list has people of interest of Irish ancestry who were in Hong Kong in the mid to late 1800s, let me know and I will keep an eye out for traces of them. Sharon PS If you click on the "topic" hyperlink on my blog, you will find some Irish-related research that is not on my website: http://sharonoddiebrown.blogspot.ca In the next few days, I plan to post a piece there about the 8 Irishmen who served as Governors inHong Kong in the 1800s. -- Sharon Oddie Brown, Roberts Creek, BC, Canada. History Project: www.thesilverbowl.com

Hi, We have added 1847 Royal Irish Constabulary men born in Monaghan. To see more on anyone - go to http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/monaghan/military/ric-monaghan-1847.txt or short url: http://goo.gl/0QZp0 The names are: AGNEW, Patrick ALEXANDER, James ARMSTRONG, James BAILY, Thomas BEEGAN, Francis BEEGAN, Owen BOYLAN, Patrick BRADY, Bernard BRADY, Patrick BRUNKER, Richard CAVANAGH, Patrick CLARKE, James CLARKE, Robert CLARKE, Thomas CONNELLY, Francis CONWAY, John COPELAND, John CREIGHTON, James CROWE, Alexander CROWE, John CUNNINGHAM, William DAVIS, John DICKSON, Thomas DORRITY, Daniel EMERSON, John FARRELL, Thomas FITZPATRICK, John GASS, Stewart GIBSON, John GILLES, Hugh GOODWIN, Terence GRAHAM, John HARGROVE, James HETHERINGTON, John HUGHES, Arthur HUGHES, Hugh JACKSON, Richard KEARNS, Frasier KEENAN, Owen LAGAN, Robert McCONAGHY, John McNALLY, Patrick McQUADE, Michael MOORE, James PALMER, Caleb RODGERS, William RUSK, James SHARPE, William SMITH, Hugh TATE, Samuel THOMPSON, Joseph WARRINGTON, William WOODS John WOODS, Moses -- Christina http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ https://www.facebook.com/IrelandGenealogyProjects ===============================

Hello list This is my first posting and i am looking to see if anyone could help me with any information or assistance in sorting or confirming the details of the following family. I have very little information but my records (if correct) show. John Keenan Born c1823 Monaghan Ireland Married Susanna/Susan No date,Location or Surname but believe born Monaghan Ireland Children Catherine Born c1855 Ireland John c1856 Durham Area of England Thomas c1859 """" """""""""" James c1859 Ireland James c1863 Durham Area of England Bernard c1865 """""" """"""""" Peter c1867 """""" """""""""" Bartholomew c1865 """"""" """""""""" Joseph c1871 """""""" """""""""" The last family address known was in the West Hartlepool area of England Any help would be most gratefully received Thank you John Keenan

Have you looked for the baptisms of Catherine and James on rootsireland.ie? You can limit the search with the parents' names, increasing the odds that you've got the right people. Diane -----Original Message----- From: e-mail james24242 <james24242@ntlworld.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN <IRL-MONAGHAN@rootsweb.com> Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 9:58 am Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] John Keenan c1823 Hello list This is my first posting and i am looking to see if anyone could help me with any information or assistance in sorting or confirming the details of the following family. I have very little information but my records (if correct) show. John Keenan Born c1823 Monaghan Ireland Married Susanna/Susan No date,Location or Surname but believe born Monaghan Ireland Children Catherine Born c1855 Ireland John c1856 Durham Area of England Thomas c1859 """" """""""""" James c1859 Ireland James c1863 Durham Area of England Bernard c1865 """""" """"""""" Peter c1867 """""" """""""""" Bartholomew c1865 """"""" """""""""" Joseph c1871 """""""" """""""""" The last family address known was in the West Hartlepool area of England Any help would be most gratefully received Thank you John Keenan ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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