hi, re: Townlands in Tedavnet (Monaghan) There doesn't seem to be an entry for the Townland of Teraverty/Tiraverty/Tyraverty, or Clonamunsha either ?? Regards, SEAN

Please find below extract from Monaghan Library sent to me, Hello Patrick, Unfortunately there are no Tithe Applotment records for the parish of Tydavnet, it is the only parish in the whole of the county where none exists - sorry. Kind Regards, Catriona Catriona Lennon Staff Officer/Local History, Monaghan County Library, 98 The Avenue, Clones, Patrick -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:26 AM To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] CLONTYCASTA found Monaghan Library have assured me that there are no Tithe Records for Tydavnet Parish either spelling. My Rafferty's are from Clontycasta Townland. If anyone knows different I am sure Monaghan Library will be pleased to be informed. Patrick Sent from my iPod On 6 Dec 2012, at 03:00, pat traynor <tray@goskywest.com> wrote: > At 06:17 PM 12/5/2012, you wrote: >> >> The TA records are listed under Tedavnet Parish. Try again! >> Townlands in Tedavnet (Monaghan) >> http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Monaghan/Tedavnet/ >> >> No townland that sounds like Contycasta. Spelling can often be a problem. >> Ann >> >>> There are no Tithe Records for Tydavnet Parish. >>> My ancestors the Rafferty's from Contycasta wished there was. >> ================================= > > I found it. There is a CLONTYCASTA. Go north on R186 from Tydabnet, > then west on L1000. > Here's the map; > http://www.flowjob.com/business/8273/murphy-agri-hire > > > ================================= > > Message Boards: > http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5938 - Release Date: 12/05/12

Monaghan Library have assured me that there are no Tithe Records for Tydavnet Parish either spelling. My Rafferty's are from Clontycasta Townland. If anyone knows different I am sure Monaghan Library will be pleased to be informed. Patrick Sent from my iPod On 6 Dec 2012, at 03:00, pat traynor <tray@goskywest.com> wrote: > At 06:17 PM 12/5/2012, you wrote: >> >> The TA records are listed under Tedavnet Parish. Try again! >> Townlands in Tedavnet (Monaghan) >> http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Monaghan/Tedavnet/ >> >> No townland that sounds like Contycasta. Spelling can often be a problem. >> Ann >> >>> There are no Tithe Records for Tydavnet Parish. >>> My ancestors the Rafferty's from Contycasta wished there was. >> ================================= > > I found it. There is a CLONTYCASTA. Go north on R186 from Tydabnet, > then west on L1000. > Here's the map; > http://www.flowjob.com/business/8273/murphy-agri-hire > > > ================================= > > Message Boards: > http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The TA records are listed under Tedavnet Parish. Try again! Townlands in Tedavnet (Monaghan) http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Monaghan/Tedavnet/ No townland that sounds like Contycasta. Spelling can often be a problem. Ann > There are no Tithe Records for Tydavnet Parish. > My ancestors the Rafferty's from Contycasta wished there was.

At 06:17 PM 12/5/2012, you wrote: > >The TA records are listed under Tedavnet Parish. Try again! >Townlands in Tedavnet (Monaghan) >http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Monaghan/Tedavnet/ > >No townland that sounds like Contycasta. Spelling can often be a problem. >Ann > > > There are no Tithe Records for Tydavnet Parish. > > My ancestors the Rafferty's from Contycasta wished there was. >================================= I found it. There is a CLONTYCASTA. Go north on R186 from Tydabnet, then west on L1000. Here's the map; http://www.flowjob.com/business/8273/murphy-agri-hire

At 06:17 PM 12/5/2012, you wrote: >The TA records are listed under Tedavnet Parish. Try again! >Townlands in Tedavnet (Monaghan) >http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/pagestab/Monaghan/Tedavnet/ >No townland that sounds like Contycasta. Spelling can often be a problem. >Ann > > There are no Tithe Records for Tydavnet Parish. > > My ancestors the Rafferty's from Contycasta wished there was. > >================================= Probably Clonycasta.........

Thanks Diane, I’ll give it a go. James -----Original Message----- From: dlculhane@cs.com Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 3:08 PM To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Tithes James, you can browse page by page on the familysearch.org Tithes. Just go to any townland page in a parish and you can go forward and backward. Diane

James, you can browse page by page on the familysearch.org Tithes. Just go to any townland page in a parish and you can go forward and backward. Diane -----Original Message----- From: James Mullan <jamesmullan@rogers.com> To: irl-monaghan <irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 2:04 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Tithes Thanks to everyone who replied to my enquiry on the absence of townlands Derrynahesco and Derrynasell West, and for the suggestions and advice. I believe I have accidently just found part of what I have been looking for. In Tednavet I have found ‘Dernahescou’ and ‘Dernasilla’ with only one name recorded for each of them – Hamilton. This name would correspond to the Immediate Lessor, James Hamilton in Griffiths. So it could be that no one was actually living in either of these townlands ~1832. However, finding what I did and they way I found it, means that the actual records for these locations have not been fully transcribed, because neither Dernahescou nor Dernasilla appear on the search list, and neither of these townlands show up when I search for Hamilton in Tednavet. What I found was completely by accident. If there are other instances of this condition, then they too might only be found accidently, because the website doe not have a provision to browse on a page by page basis from beginning to end. In the particular case I have, I would like to see the next page of entries because when I look at the acreage recorded for Dernahescou, it is still less than the acreage recorded in Griffiths even taking account of the difference in Irish and English miles. James ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks to everyone who replied to my enquiry on the absence of townlands Derrynahesco and Derrynasell West, and for the suggestions and advice. I believe I have accidently just found part of what I have been looking for. In Tednavet I have found ‘Dernahescou’ and ‘Dernasilla’ with only one name recorded for each of them – Hamilton. This name would correspond to the Immediate Lessor, James Hamilton in Griffiths. So it could be that no one was actually living in either of these townlands ~1832. However, finding what I did and they way I found it, means that the actual records for these locations have not been fully transcribed, because neither Dernahescou nor Dernasilla appear on the search list, and neither of these townlands show up when I search for Hamilton in Tednavet. What I found was completely by accident. If there are other instances of this condition, then they too might only be found accidently, because the website doe not have a provision to browse on a page by page basis from beginning to end. In the particular case I have, I would like to see the next page of entries because when I look at the acreage recorded for Dernahescou, it is still less than the acreage recorded in Griffiths even taking account of the difference in Irish and English miles. James

There are no Tithe Records for Tydavnet Parish. My ancestors the Rafferty's from Contycasta wished there was. Patrick Cryans Sent from my iPod On 5 Dec 2012, at 10:28, sean roche <seanroche1@hotmail.com> wrote: > > hi, > I don't see any Caulfields in the Parish of Tydavnet - maybe this is a Work in Progress project ?? > > http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp > > > > > ================================= > > Message Boards: > http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

hi, I don't see any Caulfields in the Parish of Tydavnet - maybe this is a Work in Progress project ?? http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp

Note that familysearch has a searchable Tithe Applotments now too, but some of the same problems as on the National Archives. For example, when I search for my grgrgrandfather in North Tahert (as appears on the original TA), Enniskeen, Cavan, I can't find him. Instead, he's in North Lahert, Enniskeen, Meath. There are adjoining Enniskeens, but they're in different counties and baronies, and there's no such place as North Lahert. So be creative. Diane

The images for all the tithes are now on the FamilySearch.org website, under Ireland. Try and see if the civil parish is there and then you can search the tithes on you computer and see if the townland was included. Sadly, the Archives of Ireland tithes site is being found with many errors. I have already posted a message about being unsuccessful finding the tithes > for > he townland of Derrynahesco (Dernahesco). > -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi, I had a similar experience looking for my townland. Data either wrong or missing on specific websites. I eventually went to FHL and found a filming of Griffiths for Currin (Curren) parish. Ordered the film and found my townland. I tried looking for Tadavnet under keyword search on the following site https://www.familysearch.org/catalog-search and found a number of entries. You may find what you want. Scott -----Original Message----- From: irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of irl-monaghan-request@rootsweb.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 12:01 AM To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 179 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Put SURNAMES in CAPS Today's Topics: 1. Tithes (James Mullan) 2. Re: Tithes (bobgraham@talktalk.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 12:01:13 -0500 From: "James Mullan" <jamesmullan@rogers.com> Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Tithes To: <IRL-MONAGHAN@rootsweb.com> Message-ID: <C868A927F8E2453AB8362794389E465F@JimPC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I have already posted a message about being unsuccessful finding the tithes for the townland of Derrynahesco (Dernahesco). I have looked at different spellings in Clones and Tedavnet parishes, and I have searched unsuccessfully using family names from Griffiths, like Carbin and Robinson, to find a possible location. Similarly I have looked for Derrynasell (Dernasell) West, a townland butting on to Derrynahesco, and have not been able to find this townland in the tithes either! I can only conclude that maybe both these townlands are two examples of townlands that have been left off the listing that is posted on line. Has any one else had a similar experience? Any suggestions anyone? James ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 03 Dec 2012 14:24:01 -0500 From: bobgraham@talktalk.net Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Tithes To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <8CF9FA2E1F2F51E-8BC-7E08@webmail-vfrr13.sis.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" The info I was given some time ago was that not all land was subject to tithes. It is possible that they were not liable to tithes. A remote possibility but one to keep in mind. Bob Graham -----Original Message----- From: James Mullan <jamesmullan@rogers.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:03 Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Tithes I have already posted a message about being unsuccessful finding the tithes for he townland of Derrynahesco (Dernahesco). have looked at different spellings in Clones and Tedavnet parishes, and I have earched unsuccessfully using family names from Griffiths, like Carbin and obinson, to find a possible location. Similarly I have looked for Derrynasell (Dernasell) West, a townland butting on o Derrynahesco, and have not been able to find this townland in the tithes ither! I can only conclude that maybe both these townlands are two examples of ownlands that have been left off the listing that is posted on line. Has any one else had a similar experience? Any suggestions anyone? James ================================ Message Boards: ttp://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-admin@rootsweb.com. To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN@rootsweb.com. __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 7, Issue 179 ******************************************** ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2013.0.2793 / Virus Database: 2634/5934 - Release Date: 12/03/12

Derrynahesco 496 Monaghan Monaghan Tedavnet Monaghan Ulst er Derrynasell East 263 Monaghan Monaghan Tedavnet Monaghan Ulst er Derrynasell West 455 Monaghan Monaghan Tedavnet Monaghan Ulst er Found Derrynasell East on the tithes list Fournd Derrynasell East also with: Mullin Terrance Coolekill West Ematris Monaghan 1830 No return on the other townland..did find Robinsons in Derrycree in Clones. http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/index.jsp Hope this helps! Ann ____________________ County Monaghan History http://ahd.exis.net/monaghan/ McGeough / Connolly ~ Floody / Smyth Selby, Yorkshire ~ Lowry / Morris http://ahd.exis.net/lowry/ ♥♥♥ > I have already posted a message about being unsuccessful > finding the tithes for the townland of Derrynahesco (Dernahesco). > I have looked at different spellings in Clones and Tedavnet > parishes, and I have searched unsuccessfully using family > names from Griffiths, like Carbin and Robinson, to find a > possible location. > > Similarly I have looked for Derrynasell (Dernasell) West, a > townland butting on to Derrynahesco, and have not been able > to find this townland in the tithes either! > > I can only conclude that maybe both these townlands are two > examples of townlands that have been left off the listing > that is posted on line. > > Has any one else had a similar experience? Any suggestions anyone? > > James >

The info I was given some time ago was that not all land was subject to tithes. It is possible that they were not liable to tithes. A remote possibility but one to keep in mind. Bob Graham -----Original Message----- From: James Mullan <jamesmullan@rogers.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 3 Dec 2012 17:03 Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Tithes I have already posted a message about being unsuccessful finding the tithes for he townland of Derrynahesco (Dernahesco). have looked at different spellings in Clones and Tedavnet parishes, and I have earched unsuccessfully using family names from Griffiths, like Carbin and obinson, to find a possible location. Similarly I have looked for Derrynasell (Dernasell) West, a townland butting on o Derrynahesco, and have not been able to find this townland in the tithes ither! I can only conclude that maybe both these townlands are two examples of ownlands that have been left off the listing that is posted on line. Has any one else had a similar experience? Any suggestions anyone? James ================================ Message Boards: ttp://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I have already posted a message about being unsuccessful finding the tithes for the townland of Derrynahesco (Dernahesco). I have looked at different spellings in Clones and Tedavnet parishes, and I have searched unsuccessfully using family names from Griffiths, like Carbin and Robinson, to find a possible location. Similarly I have looked for Derrynasell (Dernasell) West, a townland butting on to Derrynahesco, and have not been able to find this townland in the tithes either! I can only conclude that maybe both these townlands are two examples of townlands that have been left off the listing that is posted on line. Has any one else had a similar experience? Any suggestions anyone? James

Hi John, I have family that was very close to Roo - McQuillan from Sragh (spelled "Sra" on Google Maps). They are buried in Sacred Heart Church Cemetery (Lough Eigish, Monaghan, Ireland). See the listing I created on FindAGrave: http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=cr&CRid=2304821 The parish website: http://www.aughnamulleneast.com/. I'm not as familiar if they went the other direction towards Ballybay. I could see them also going to St Mary's in Castleblayney too. Best regards, Mike Carragher Flushing, NY -----Original Message----- From: irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of JJG Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 7:51 AM To: IRL-MONAGHAN@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] COYLE family of Aughnamullen parish, Roo If there is anyone reading this post who lives in or around Aughnamullen, Roo, just south of Ballybay, I am requesting your kind help. My grandmother, Mary COYLE, left Roo in Oct or late Sept 1897 bound for Hope, Rhode Island, where she lodged with the John KEENAN and his wife, Anne (COYLE) KEENAN, Mary's aunt; both John and Anne were from the area around Roo. Mary COYLE left a mother, a sister, and three brothers behind in Roo; they were still there in the 1901 and 1911 census, but after that I do not know what happened to them. If there is a cemetery in the Roo area, I am sure that some if not all are buried there along with Mary's father, Joseph Coyle, who died in early 1897. I am asking someone to be kind enough to tell me what is on their headstones. Here are the names and approximate dates of the family, all Catholic: Joseph COYLE (1833 - 1897) -- father Catherine (GILLEN) COYLE (1851 - 1918) -- mother Joseph COYLE (1879 - 1914) -- son Owen COYLE (1881 - 1951) -- son Patrick COYLE (1886 - 1952) -- son Margaret COYLE (1887 - 1942) -- daughter; she may have married in 1914, but the records available on line make it impossible to be sure. My grandmother, Mary COYLE, was born in 1878, and Joseph COYLE and Catherine GELLIN were married in 1877; the marriage was registered in Castleblaney. John Grimes ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Katie, You should visit the Monaghan Library website and look at their "Tracing Your Ancestors Guide" pdf file. http://www.monaghan.ie/contentv3/services/library/historygenealogy/ My family comes from Moneyvolan in Clontibret parish but many events took place in St Mary's RC Church in Muckno parish. Records start in the 1830s. They are available on microfilm through the LDS Family History Centers. I assume the LDS Mormons are in the Netherlands? Visit familysearch.org to look at their info. I was able to find a 1858 marriage for my family - both bride and groom from Clontibret. However, before the 1850s they are not in the best shape with many pages not readable. Keep in mind that first names are in Latin. Also visit the IGP: http://www.igp-web.com/ for info by county. The website is having issues this week but should be back up soon. Best regards, Mike Carragher Flushing, NY -----Original Message----- From: irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-monaghan-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Katie de Haan Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 9:18 AM To: irl-monaghan@rootsweb.com Cc: gallorosso@home.nl Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McNALLY and FITZPATRICK Co Monaghan early 1800s Hello list, I am trying to trace the family of my paternal grandmother, Elizabeth Dodd b abt1890 in Northumberland England and died in the 1980s in Canada. She is said to have been 'Irish' and I am enjoying trying to find out how much of this myth was true. In fact, not she or her parents were born in Ireland, but her maternal grandparents, my great great grandparents. Now I'm trying to trace them back further. One day, I hope to visit the Irish National Library and consult the parish records for myself, but meantime i wonder whether anyone has come across the family, in their own lines or anywhere else :- Michael McNally various spellings, born around 1812 in Co Monaghan, parish unknown and wife Margaret Fitzpatrick also b around 1812 in Co Monaghan. Children registered with them in Hexham Northumberland are Mary 1839 Owen 1844 Michael 1850 Margaret 1855 Ann 1857 George 1859. Birth years approximate, Mary and Owen born Ireland, Michael jr born Scotland and the others including my great grandmother 'Margaret born Hexham. Firstborn children suggest an eaerlier generation with names Mary and Owen. Margaret 1812ish maiden name Fitzpatrick from son George's birth record. I'd be interested in any light you may be able to shed on this family or where I might find out more about them. Thank you Katie de Haan The Netherlands ================================= Message Boards: http://www.igp-web.com/boards.htm ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MONAGHAN-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Clones Parish has 127 townlands..... http://www.logainm.ie/1978.aspx Drumully 16... Clonnagore .... http://www.logainm.ie/40126.aspx Drumsnat... Annaghmartin http://www.logainm.ie/40517.aspx Magheross.. Barndonagh http://www.logainm.ie/39312.aspx If these come up in Gaelic, just click on English Version (Top Right) DH On 24/11/2012 08:00, irl-monaghan-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Old Townland Parish Year New Townland > Name Name > Anyea Clones 1832 Annaghkilly > Clonnagore Drummully 1833 Confad > Annamartin Drumsnat 1825 Annoghmartin > Killnahalters Kilmore 1825 Kilnahalter > Barnadonagh Magheross 1823 Barnlonagh > Tyavera Tehallan 1832 Tiravera > > Thank you for your help. > > Don