I have had good luck with this map finder. http://maps.expedia.com/QuickMaps.asp?L=WLD0409&Street=&City=&State=&Zip=&Place=Ballybay%2CIreland&Tab=21&Region=39070&ff=1&Linked=T Fred Marchand wrote: > Jean, if you are able to get a map over the Internet of some kind on > Monaghan I could sure us it too, thanks so much, JimMarchand of Virginia > fred.marchand@worldnet.att.net > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean L. Mattox <74743.114@compuserve.com> > To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 7:22 PM > Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN-D Digest V99 #28 > > >I'll see if I can find out for you. I don't have a street map of Monaghan > >town but will check with someone over there to see if there's a clue in it > >for you. > >Please be patient with me - it takes a while to get answers - but, do > >remind me, once in a while, okay? > >Jean L. Mattox > >74743.114@compuserve.com > > > > -- The Marshall Family history is recorded on our web page at www3.sympatico.ca/fmarshall Fred or Marilyn Marshall

Thanks VERY much, Joan, for all the advice/tips. Will research them and thank you, happy new year, Jim Marchand. -----Original Message----- From: Joan M. Hill <maple@neca.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Saturday, January 01, 2000 8:32 PM Subject: Re: Gillis Mills >Sorry, Jim, never came across those names but I pretty much was focused on >Muckno Parish in Co. Monaghan. I did learn a good deal about linen though. >Here are a couple of good books: Flax to Fabric by Brenda Collins pub by >Lisburn Museum, 1994 and The Handloom Weavers by W.H. Crawford pub by Ulster >Historical Foundation 1972. Do you have an approximate date for your ancestor's >mill? A good reference for any area you think muight be the one is the Ordnance >Survey Parish Memoirs, 1830's (pub by Institute of Irish Studies.) Available >from Royal Irish Academy 19 Dawson St. Bublin 2, Ireland. The memoirs were >done by the surveyors sent out at about that time and include many details like >the location of scutching mills, beetling mills, and bleaching mills - all had >to do with linen. The Linen Museum at Lisburn has a great archive and might be >able to help you, too. >Joan > >Fred Marchand wrote: > >> Joan, have you come across the name Gillis or McCumb (or McCrumb) in your >> travels there? My great great great grandfather's brother was allegedly a >> successful linen mill owner in either Monaghan or Armagh areas, perhaps even >> in a little village called Gillis, now extinct. Thanks so much, Jim >> Marchand of Virginina. > > > > >

Joan, have you come across the name Gillis or McCumb (or McCrumb) in your travels there? My great great great grandfather's brother was allegedly a successful linen mill owner in either Monaghan or Armagh areas, perhaps even in a little village called Gillis, now extinct. Thanks so much, Jim Marchand of Virginina.

Sorry, Jim, never came across those names but I pretty much was focused on Muckno Parish in Co. Monaghan. I did learn a good deal about linen though. Here are a couple of good books: Flax to Fabric by Brenda Collins pub by Lisburn Museum, 1994 and The Handloom Weavers by W.H. Crawford pub by Ulster Historical Foundation 1972. Do you have an approximate date for your ancestor's mill? A good reference for any area you think muight be the one is the Ordnance Survey Parish Memoirs, 1830's (pub by Institute of Irish Studies.) Available from Royal Irish Academy 19 Dawson St. Bublin 2, Ireland. The memoirs were done by the surveyors sent out at about that time and include many details like the location of scutching mills, beetling mills, and bleaching mills - all had to do with linen. The Linen Museum at Lisburn has a great archive and might be able to help you, too. Joan Fred Marchand wrote: > Joan, have you come across the name Gillis or McCumb (or McCrumb) in your > travels there? My great great great grandfather's brother was allegedly a > successful linen mill owner in either Monaghan or Armagh areas, perhaps even > in a little village called Gillis, now extinct. Thanks so much, Jim > Marchand of Virginina.

Thanks for your help Jean. Happy new year jean to you and all your family see you in the next century!!!!!!!! Regards Robert Drumm. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean L. Mattox" <74743.114@compuserve.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, December 31, 1999 3:18 AM Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN-D Digest V99 #28 > I'll see if I can find out for you. I don't have a street map of Monaghan > town but will check with someone over there to see if there's a clue in it > for you. > Please be patient with me - it takes a while to get answers - but, do > remind me, once in a while, okay? > Jean L. Mattox > 74743.114@compuserve.com >

Jean, if you are able to get a map over the Internet of some kind on Monaghan I could sure us it too, thanks so much, JimMarchand of Virginia fred.marchand@worldnet.att.net -----Original Message----- From: Jean L. Mattox <74743.114@compuserve.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Thursday, December 30, 1999 7:22 PM Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN-D Digest V99 #28 >I'll see if I can find out for you. I don't have a street map of Monaghan >town but will check with someone over there to see if there's a clue in it >for you. >Please be patient with me - it takes a while to get answers - but, do >remind me, once in a while, okay? >Jean L. Mattox >74743.114@compuserve.com > >

My grandfather, John Wright Mehaffy, b. 7 Nov 1865 to John Mehaffy, b. 28 May, 1838 in Ireland and Elizabeth Winslow, b 1848 who were married in Ireland Jan 1861. Seeking information on this family. Specifically, on Elizabeth Winslow and her family. Parents might be Wilson Winslow, b. 1821 and Pauline Lister, b. 1825. They came to the U.S. about 1875 and ended up in Iowa.

I think that perhaps the street you are realy looking for is Mill Street which is just off the Diamond. If the person who enquired thinks it is Mill Street s/he wants, let me know and I'll sent you a copy of a photo of Mill St. that I took while visiting there last summer. Joan

Have you tried the Protestant Marriages of Ireland available starting 1845, from LDS? Order from your local FHC, Index to Marriages 1861, there you will find the book and page number. Then order the book you found, and you will have the record which should tell not only fathers name and occupation of both spouses, but the townland they came from as well. Good luck, Joan Dean & Mary Ewing wrote: > My grandfather, John Wright Mehaffy, b. 7 Nov 1865 to John Mehaffy, b. 28 > May, 1838 in Ireland and Elizabeth Winslow, b 1848 who were married in > Ireland Jan 1861. Seeking information on this family. Specifically, on > Elizabeth Winslow and her family. Parents might be Wilson Winslow, b. 1821 > and Pauline Lister, b. 1825. They came to the U.S. about 1875 and ended up > in Iowa.

>From: "Jean L. Mattox" <74743.114@compuserve.com> >Reply-To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN-D Digest V99 #28 >Date: Thu, 30 Dec 1999 22:18:12 -0500 > >I'll see if I can find out for you. I don't have a street map of Monaghan >town but will check with someone over there to see if there's a clue in it >for you. >Please be patient with me - it takes a while to get answers - but, do >remind me, once in a while, okay? >Jean L. Mattox >74743.114@compuserve.com > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com

I'll see if I can find out for you. I don't have a street map of Monaghan town but will check with someone over there to see if there's a clue in it for you. Please be patient with me - it takes a while to get answers - but, do remind me, once in a while, okay? Jean L. Mattox 74743.114@compuserve.com

Does anyone have the address of a Co Monaghan Society in the NYC area. Thanks so much. Carole. cdfemma@msn.com

This mail began life as a reply to someone on one newsgroup, but it became something else as some of my posts do. I have removed the original mail to the newsgroup and I am sending this out to every list I am subscribed to. I have a request to make of people in the newsgroups and that is in the following paragraph. I made a commitment before Christmas and I know that it will be easier to keep if those of you who search help me. My reasons for asking this are in the body of the reply. I would very much appreciate it if anybody who has ever viewed any LDS parish record films for any county would let me know (if they remember) the number of the film, the parish they looked at, the Diocese the parish was in, whether the record was in Latin or English, the condition of the film re ink fading, writing, the information in that parish record....only the names of parents, bride, groom, baby - whatever...and whether or not any addresses were put in.....all these vary from one record to the next, depending on the Priest/Vicar who kept the record. Thanks Jane My reply to the newsgroup: - ------------------------------------- Helen & all, I think this has been dealt with by someone else - the fact that the registers do exist. I can't right now even remember which registers were being discussed and I think that I made a post on whicever ones they were. Very 'thoughtful' today I am :-) If I remember correctly, when I checked it, one type of record existed from 1770 and another began in 1828, and it may have been that the heritage centre only has the type that exists from 1828. I do know that I have seen instances where this is the case...for other parishes - records of one type in existance and held by the National Library but not copied by the heritage centre who have the later records. The reason I am replying to this post now - is that anyone who knows me and my posts through various lists, knows that parish records are a particular bee in my bonnet and I generally tend to 'react' when I see any post being made re parish records and people 'giving out' so to speak about how the Irish hold on to their records and anyone searching for information has a right to access those records. That is not the case in your post here - but I am saying this for the benefit of any who may be new on this list and may never have seen a post of mine or anyone elses on this topic. I 'react' and strongly, because quite often I see references to records which I know are in existance, I react because I know that records 'turn up' so to speak in the strangest of places, because while many parish records were destroyed during the Civil War in 1922 not all were. I also react because I know that so many people never were registered in the first place in any church. Anyway.....over the years, I have tried on various lists asking people if they would let me know what records they had viewed, the condition of those records and the LDS numbers. There are many publications which list records in existance, not all agree with what is there and no publication ever mentions the condition of these records - how battered they may be. how poor the script, the ink fading - whatever. Whether they are in Latin or English. I put my foot in it before Christmas in a post to the Ireland-L when I asked something along the lines of "Do ye know how long it would take, or have any idea of the amount of work I would have to put in to try and bring it all together - to show you that most records are there - somewhere - accessible to people without them having to trot off to the local church in Ireland" and then I decided I would take a shot at it. A putting together of known (currently) parish records - what the LDS have, what is held in the PRONI in Belfast, what is held in the Nat Lib in Dublin, the Nat Archives in Dublin, the Representative Church Library in Dublin, and published in whatever journals that I know of. No such compilation will ever be complete. It can only ever be thought of as current - today, because things change so often. I have this morning received a post from someone I know through another list - on which I once asked people to let me know about parish records when they see them. I had also made a post to that list re some records I know of in Ireland and this person was replying to both posts saying pretty much Jane some of the records you mentioned are not held by the LDS and here are the numbers of these other records and what I found re their condition. I believe that if people worked together, then some sense can be made of the Irish Parish record situation. I may end up eating some of my words when I am finished because I do see that for a lot of the northern Ireland records they are held locally - but in the main records which are post 1890 and probably are not considered worth filming. Personally, I only ever view records in which I have an interest, and while the counties I am interested in are well spread out, there are a good few. being interested only in particular parishes does not stop me noticing what is also there for other parishes, not necessarily the condition but just that it's there. It does not stop me wondering what other parishes may be hiding in the records for Parish A......because I know that there was also another parish in that locality and the people could walk to either church and that Parish A just happened to be the head of a Union in that area. This is long - my apologies......I just take off on this topic. I am not interested in every parish in ireland, I am not even interested in every county in ireland. Parish records were never my research focus....phonetics and surname distribution are. However, I happen to be one of the most vocal Parish record/Priest/Vicar defenders in this country or on any newsgroup pertaining to Irish genealogical research to which I am subscribed. I have made a commitment re trying to sort this out a bit. I have begun. The look up offers I made to various lists before Christmas did put a halt to my gallop because there was so much else I had intended working on over Christmas. I can do so much by myself - bring what I have in literature sources together. Make my own comments on any records I have looked at.......but as I say I'm not interested in everywhere. The Rootsweb catalogue of data held by the LDS centres changed its format before Christmas. It had been such that if one went in then one could simply by keying in the name of a county check out what was held for that county on all topics. I had coverered a few counties. I have seen county pages which list LDS references for parish records but I feel that some of these lists may be old, there may be more information there than the county page says. I don't kow for sure. When I connect to the Internet - I pay telephone charges per 5 minutes during the day and 15 outside work hours. Right now, I find myself connecting to try and track down references for records which I have no need for and will never access, and even if I needed them - then I can do it here in Dublin if they exist. I'm not whinging about that fact, just stating it. I said I would try to do something and I will. I just thought that if I once again asked people if they would let me know what records they have looked at, the LDS numbers and their comments on the condition of those records - I might, this time get more than one or two responses. This would, in effect, help me produce some results quicker, what i come up with will me more thorough. It may help some of you find out about records and their existance much quicker than in the past. It may be that what goes round comes round - those of you who respond to this mail may find that you want to know something about another county in the future, and may find that someone else gave me the same kind of information on the parish you now want to look at. I don't know - an appeal to the newsgroups seems to be worth a shot. I don't honestly expect an overwhelming response, being a cynic, and having tried this in the past....... but - you never know - the new Millennium is almost upon us. Jane :-)

Hello all. I am new to the list and am posting my (or, rather, my brother-in-law's!) interests in the hope of making contact with living relatives. Moses CHERRY and his wife, Margaret, nee GAWLEY, and their family migrated to Australia around 1850. Moses' death certificate (1889) records him as having reached the ripe old age of 104! His parents are shown as John CHERRY and Catherine Mc COY and his birthplace as Ballybay, Co. Monaghan. Margaret GAWLEY died in 1874 at 79 and her parents names were James GAWLEY and Margaret HENDERSON. Moses and Margaret were married at Aghnamullen, also Co. Monaghan and it is assumed that that was her birth place. Any help with any further information regarding this couple and their parents would be greatly appreciated. Regards Peter, the older one of the tworobbos, at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian Riviera.

Thats all the information i have at the moment,i think its possibly Monaghan town. Thanks for your interest. Robert. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jean L. Mattox" <74743.114@compuserve.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, December 27, 1999 4:47 AM Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN-D Digest V99 #27 > Will Street in what town in Co. Monaghan? > jean > >

Deirdra Sullivan of the IRL-CORK-CITY-L sent this message to her list and said I could pass it on...... I forgot to ask her if it is being advertised on an American Aer Lingus site......or from Ireland. Wonder if it works both ways <g> Maybe some people on some of the lists would be interested in checking out Aer Lingus sites..... Jane > TAKE BACK ALL THOSE GIFTS AND GET THE MONEY BACK! > > Aer Lingus is having their 2 for 1 sale! Two people for $499. > > All the best in the new year!

Will Street in what town in Co. Monaghan? jean

---------Forwarded Message Follows---------- This message is being forwarded to the mailing list by the List Manager because the sender listed below inadvertently used the incorrect mailing address for the list. Do not include the word "request" when sending mail to the list--if you do, it will never get there. - ---------------------------------------- Subject: James Drum Date: Thu, 23 Dec 1999 11:27:01 -0800 (PST) From: "Robert Drumm" <rdrumm@talk21.com> To: <irl-monaghan-l-request@rootsweb.com> Trying to find information on a James Drum who married a Sarah Murphy date unknown,they had at least one child called Eugene born 6/1895.They lived in Will Street,Co.Monaghan,Ireland. Can anybody help? Regards Robert Drumm.

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Dear fellow listers I have just traced the birth of my grandmother, Mary Anne WRIGHT to Glasslough on 5 Oct 1867. She was the child of William WRIGHT (a farmer) & Margaret DAVIDSON. Sister was Rebecca WRIGHT who was born at Elvey in 1876. My grandmother Mary Anne Wright married John Thomas COOKE at Monaghan on 29 March 1894 at which time both bride and groom were working at Monaghan Asylum. John Thomas COOKE may possibly be a John COOKE b. 1 June 1873 at Scotstown, Monagan to a John COOK (Farmer) & Jane Longmoor at least this is my only lead at present and is *not* corroborated at present. 1. Is there anyone on this list researching these families or who knows anything about them? I would be particularly interested in obtaining details of the marriage of William WRIGHT to Margaret DAVIDSON. 2. Does anyone know if there are any archives relating to Monaghan Asylum & where these are located as I would like to trace any information relating to Mary Anne WRIGHT & John COOKE working there? 3. Is there SKS who is able to do a look up in Griffiths Valuation? for: a) William WRIGHT @ Glasslough & Emyvale (Donagh) & Elvey (Errical Trough). b) John Cooke @ Scotstown (Tedavnet). Thanks Edna rippin@rypin.freeserve.co.uk Lincolnshire, England