----- Original Message ----- From: Anita Clark <clar@silk.net> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 6:28 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN] McPHILLIPS/MURPHY > Hi Listers, > > This is my first query . > > My gggrandparents Hugh MCPHILLIPS b.c.1789 and his wife Catherine MURPHY b.c.1800 moved with their family Mary, Ann, Catherine, Margaret, Elizabeth, Patrick, Susan, Bridget and Bernard to New Lanark Scotland 1847/8. > > All Scottish records show their place of birth as Ireland no County. > > New Lanark Conservation Trust were unable to help with exactly >where in Ireland they may have come from. New Lanark was a >cotton mill village and it was though the family would have come >from a like type place in Ireland - ? Monaghan or Cavan. The >older girls were all Carders and Spinners. > > I understand that the name MCPHILLIPS was quite well known in >CLONES a number of years ago. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Hugh's father was Patrick MCPHILLIPS > Catherine Murphy's parents were - Bernard MURPHY and Agnes >MCPHILLIPS. > > Anita B.C. > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== Hello Anita: Perhaps the following will help... I found this, but haven't had time to act on it... I also do not know what other, if any, info is available on these McPhilips... Search Terms: MCPHILIPS (31) Database: Irish Flax Growers List, 1796--for Linen trade Combined Matches: 31 ID County Surname Given Name 4848 Cavan McPhilips Owen 4862 Cavan McPhilips Owen 39314 Monaghan McPhilips Thomas 39317 Monaghan McPhilips Farrell 39397 Monaghan McPhilips Catherine 39455 Monaghan McPhilips Anthony 39456 Monaghan McPhilips James 39468 Monaghan McPhilips William 39997 Monaghan McPhilips Patrick 40015 Monaghan McPhilips Thomas ID County Surname Given Name 40152 Monaghan McPhilips Patrick 40153 Monaghan McPhilips Henry 40171 Monaghan McPhilips Patrick 40507 Monaghan McPhilips John 40536 Monaghan McPhilips Michael 41057 Monaghan McPhilips Michael 41079 Monaghan McPhilips Charles 41129 Monaghan McPhilips Edward 41151 Monaghan McPhilips Bryan 41223 Monaghan McPhilips Mary ID County Surname Given Name 41232 Monaghan McPhilips Michael 41255 Monaghan McPhilips Bryan 41262 Monaghan McPhilips Arthur 41306 Monaghan McPhilips Terence 41307 Monaghan McPhilips John *************************************** 41308 Monaghan McPhilips Peter --Mine **************************************** 41716 Monaghan McPhilips Patrick 42096 Monaghan McPhilips Michael 42659 Monaghan McPhilips Christopher 42660 Monaghan McPhilips Owen 43345 Monaghan McPhilips Patrick --Another man, Mike McPhilips has Thomas b. ca 1822, moved to Scotland, --had son William b. ca 1852 in Scotland...This Thomas was married --to a lady surnamed Bernard abt 1850. --Mike McPhilips lives in New Zealand...His Thomas died in an accident --3 months before his son William was born...Thomas' son William was --in a Highlanders regiment. My McPhilips, I believe was b. in either Aghabog or Kilmore in County Monaghan... There don't seem to be many Catholic records in this time frame... Hope this helps a bit... Lynn Dietz Lydietz@aol.com

Hi Listers, This is my first query . My gggrandparents Hugh MCPHILLIPS b.c.1789 and his wife Catherine MURPHY b.c.1800 moved with their family Mary, Ann, Catherine, Margaret, Elizabeth, Patrick, Susan, Bridget and Bernard to New Lanark Scotland 1847/8. All Scottish records show their place of birth as Ireland no County. New Lanark Conservation Trust were unable to help with exactly where in Ireland they may have come from. New Lanark was a cotton mill village and it was though the family would have come from a like type place in Ireland - ? Monaghan or Cavan. The older girls were all Carders and Spinners. I understand that the name MCPHILLIPS was quite well known in CLONES a number of years ago. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Hugh's father was Patrick MCPHILLIPS Catherine Murphy's parents were - Bernard MURPHY and Agnes MCPHILLIPS. Anita B.C.

I'm working a register at the moment and in it all the men (grooms) have a second Christian name. As far as I know this is unusual - Catholic register pre 1800.......... What I'm finding more unusual is that many of thse names are women's names. Not just Mary which was a common enoughname to give to boys - but Judith, Catherine, Josephine, Margaret, Anne, Honor. There are also instances of the men having the same Christian name listed twice. So - has anyone any comments. I know I've looked at a fair few registers and never seen this before - anywhere..... A forward looking parish priest? Someone who just listed the Confirmation name taken by these men? Surely not that many men took womens names as their confirmation name.... The name of their father or mother - if one was dead. James James being James the son of James..... The second name....the extra one seems to come first....because all the women's names are listed first.... So - Josephine Thomas is Thomas the son of Joesephine? Where are all those genealogists.... How many people have seen it before. It's a Laois register and I've not seen it in Laois before either??? Jane :-)

Quoting.....Dora Smith <tiggernut_48@yahoo.com> >I need the phone numbers, not actually addresses, >for the Church of Ireland rectory in each of >these towns; Clones, and Tyrell's Pass, or of >whoever would have access to the graveyard or the >graveyard records for the Anglican churches in >those towns. Try Ann Harney's Web site on county Monaghan. Clones is one of her places of interest in her searching, and she did some work on addresses of all the churches in the area, I believe. The phone numbers can probably be found on the Goldenpages?? Web site. http://www.exis.net/ahd/mcgeough.htm

List, These naturalization were received from the NARA , Providence County, Rhode Island, USA Naturalization Records. Owen Banigan- Providence - Cert. # P 3797 - Court- U.S. District, Prov. B. Ireland 1861 Date of arrival Apr. 6, 1878 (no port given) Date of naturalization Dec. 23, 1891 Witnesses: James McCrudden, John Keagan (Researchers notes: Owen Banigan possibly married to Bridget Green same county 15 Oct, 1881) Patrick Banigan - 8 Gardener St. Providence, RI - Cert. # (P) NS-2416 Court- U.S. District, Prov. B. Ireland May 24, 1881 Arrival May 1, 1898 New York, NY Naturalization: Sept. 1, 1906 Witnesses: Owen McElroy, 173 Pond St. Providence/ James Lavell 69 Grove St. Providence Joseph Banigan- Woonsocket- Cert. # (P) 337 - Pt. 596 - Court- Supreme, Prov. B. Ireland 1840 Arrival: May 15, 1854 (no port given) Naturalization: March Term, 1867 Witnesses: Thomas McCabe, Providence/ Joseph Finnegan, Providence (Researcher's Notes: Possibly married to Mary A. Maywood) Patrick Banigan - Providence - Cert. # (P) 3793 - Court- U.S. District, Prov. b. Ireland 1857 Arrived March 1873 Naturalization: Dec 23, 1891 Witnesses: James McCrudden and John Keagan Banigan, Patrick T. - Providence- Cert. # (P) B795 - Court- U.S. Circuit, Providence B. Monahan County, Ireland Apr. 1836 (original spelling) Arrival: March 1853, New York Naturalization: Apr 5, 1875 Witnesses: Joseph Banigan, Providence/ James Finnegan, Providence (Researcher's notes: James Finnegan possibly married to Margaret Theresa Banigan 1869 Rhode Island) Hope this helps someone, Krisha

Hi, For starters, check the birth indexes for Civil Registration. They started recording births in 1864. The LDS has these on microfilm. The LDS microfilm numbers are: 1864: 101041 1865: 101042 1866: 101043 1867: 101044 1868: 101045 1869: 101046 1870: 101047 If that doesn't produce anything try the "Householders Index", also available through the LDS. The "Householders Index" is a surname only (no individual names) index to surnames that appear in either the Tithe Applotment Books or Griffith's Valuation. It also lists the year that the surname was recorded in either of these enumerations. It is organized (at least on microfilm) by county. Within each county the names are organized by barony, parish and union. If you have a non-common surname it is fairly useful for narrowing down the location of ancestors in Ireland. For instance, once you have county, barony, and parish info you could then look in either Tithe Applotment Book records or Griffith's Valuation, both available on microfilm through the LDS. Hope this helps. Regards, Eric Strennen Researching families: STRENNEN, STREENAN, STREENEN ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jesse L. Allen" <jlallen@rmisp.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 01, 2000 4:06 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN] Mcquaid name > I am trying to locate a Mcquaid that was born in Ireland in 1868. Can anyone give me any clues on what to research. > thanks > > jlallen@rmisp.com > > ______________________________

On my townland map of Clones Parish, there is a townland named "Carna" just northwest of Clones. It seems a likely match as townland spellings varied a great deal in those times. Joan Dick.McCoach@McCoach.com wrote: > ------------Forwarded Message Follows------------ > This message is being forwarded to the mailing > list by the List Manager because the sender listed > below inadvertently used the incorrect mailing > address for the list. > ( IRL-MONAGHAN-admin@rootsweb.com ) > Do not include the word "request" or "admin" > in the address > when sending mail to the list--if you do, it will > never get there, unless i happen to notice it and > forward it for you. © MM > --------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: information request > Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:03:30 -0700 > From: "Pat Butler" <pat.butler@home.com> > To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-admin@rootsweb.com> > > Due to the generous help of fellow list readers I have > gathered new > information on my family from Monaghan. John Davis married > Maria Bell on > September 3, 1849 at the Registrars Office in the town of > Clones. Their > residence at the time of marriage was Cairne. His father > was Hugh Davis, > farmer and her father William Bell, farmer. Is Cairne the > name of a town as > I can't find it on my Ireland map? Any help would be appreciated. > Pat Butler > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > © MM

------------Forwarded Message Follows------------ This message is being forwarded to the mailing list by the List Manager because the sender listed below inadvertently used the incorrect mailing address for the list. ( IRL-MONAGHAN-admin@rootsweb.com ) Do not include the word "request" or "admin" in the address when sending mail to the list--if you do, it will never get there, unless i happen to notice it and forward it for you. © MM --------------------------------------------------------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject: information request Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 22:03:30 -0700 From: "Pat Butler" <pat.butler@home.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-admin@rootsweb.com> Due to the generous help of fellow list readers I have gathered new information on my family from Monaghan. John Davis married Maria Bell on September 3, 1849 at the Registrars Office in the town of Clones. Their residence at the time of marriage was Cairne. His father was Hugh Davis, farmer and her father William Bell, farmer. Is Cairne the name of a town as I can't find it on my Ireland map? Any help would be appreciated. Pat Butler

I need the phone numbers, not actually addresses, for the Church of Ireland rectory in each of these towns; Clones, and Tyrell's Pass, or of whoever would have access to the graveyard or the graveyard records for the Anglican churches in those towns. I am looking for ancestors who probalby died in these towns and were Church of Ireland. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

I am looking for any info on my Lowe's who lived in Tyrell's Pass and Clones, Monaghan County, in the 19th century. One was Stephen, and I know nothing more about him. Another, probalby a son of Stephen, was Henry, who kept a grocery store and public house in Clones ca 1870's. Yours, Dora Smith __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

I am trying to locate a Mcquaid that was born in Ireland in 1868. Can anyone give me any clues on what to research. thanks jlallen@rmisp.com

Hello My GG grandmother was Rose Brannigan/Bannigan from the Ballybay/Lattacrum area. Her husband was Bernard Mc Cudden and my G grandmother was Bridget Mc Cudden who married Owen McGuinness and emigrated to Australia in 1859. I do not have Bridget's exact birth date but it is variously recorded as between 1832 and 1841 so her mother would have been born early 1800's. There is a good possibility that they were cousins. What do you think? I don't have a lot of information except as above but a cousin of mine researching the Mc Guinness family has had contact with Bernard (Benny) McCudden who still lives in the area. Although he wrote several times after returning to Australia from his trip in 1995 he never received a reply but did get a Christmas card one year I believe. Don't think Benny was unfriendly probably just not a good correspondent. I would be very interested if you have any other information. Regards Peggy Wood Queensland Australia -----Original Message----- From: Ron & Carol Satterthwaite <Ron.Carol.Satter@prodigy.net> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, 28 April 2000 10:57 Subject: [MONAGHAN] Banigan >I am looking for any information regarding the Banigan surname. I >understand they came from around Ballybay and left around 1850-60. My >great-great grandfather was Eugene born around 1833. His father was >Patrick., mother Mary. Patrick may have had a brother Joseph. >Thanks, >Carol > > >==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== >© MM

Just noted you were tracing family from Ballybay as I am. I have a book "At the Ford of The Birches" by James H. and Peadar Murnane in which he mentions PEADAR McCUDDEN on page 506 as being on a winning Rugger team in 1942 (as one to two from Ballybay on the County team) and on page 516 a Fr. Peadar Mc Cudden a native of Ballybay who was a prominent player and then Parish Priest in Perth Australia presented a cup to honour the club's Senior Player of the year.( appears to be prior to 1987) Good Hunting. -- We are trying to locate the Ancestors or siblings of James Marshall who was born in 1821 in Ballybay Co. Monaghan Ireland and who with his brother John came to Canada in or before 1845. James settled in Manvers Township (in then Durham County, Upper Canada ) now Victoria County, Ontario . They reportedly landed at Port Hope and came North. John stopped in the Bewdley area and was not heard of again. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. All the information that I have been able to capture is included on our site. www3.sympatico.ca/fmarshall

For those who may also have relatives from County Cork and haven't dropped by in the past month or so, we would like to welcome you to visit us. We have over-hauled the site substantially. The surname query board now has over 3600 on-line messages to search. Additionally, there are many useful on-line resource links have been added in the past month, both for Cork, Ireland, and genealogy in general. The address is http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcor/

Hello Patricia, Could I please ask was the James Martin you mentioned, by any chance from Ternaneill in Monaghan, I cant get anywhere with Martin, nearly round the bend I am..Maureen

Dear Lists, Please forgive the paltry info. I don't have alot to go on and hope someday to make a connection. The Baileys were a quiet bunch,never said much unless something had to be said. Never a hint of family business or scandals,(sigh!) Here we go! Thomas Bailey married Katherine,sometimes seen as Sara Katherine. County unknown. Migrated to N.Y. USA. around 1836. Settled in Manhattan, NY. CHILDREN: 1) Johanna BAILEY/born in IRE circa 1835, married Bernard WALSH is listed in 1890 NY directory as widow of Bernard. One daughter known of Margaret. 2) John CAGE BAILEY/born circa 1836 in NY married Elizabeth CUSTER,settled in W.Va.. 3) Patrick Joseph,middle name?/born 1848 married Hemiliene Rutherford at St. Joseph's Church in Martinsburg, W.VA.. Is buried there with his Mother Katherine. Katherine died in 1879 at the age of 70 Patrick died in 1892 at the age of 44 Father, Thomas I have never found this elusive fellow,keep looking though. Hoping someone can give me something on Bernard Walsh. It is not as common as all the Johns,Pats and Toms. These BAILEYS and WALSHES have been tough adversaries. I'm beginning to think the fairies are at work. Yours In Friendship, Deanne

Hi Carol - In all 8 volumes of MISSING FRIENDS there is only one reference to BANNAGAN/MONAGHAN: 31ST MAY 1851: Information wanted of ANN BANNAGAN - from CARRICKADOWY - parish of CARRICKMACROSS - co MONAGHAN .Last heard of 3 years ago in the city of SAVANNAH - An account to her brother-in-law JOSEPH FINNAGAN -16 Orange St PROVIDENCE R.I. Probably not much help but we never know kind regards Joan Williams

------------Forwarded Message Follows------------ This message is being forwarded to the mailing list by the List Manager because the sender listed below inadvertently used the incorrect mailing address for the list. ( irl-monaghan-l-request@rootsweb.com ) Do not include the word "request" in the address when sending mail to the list--if you do, it will never get there, unless i happen to notice it and forward it for you. © MM --------------------------------------------------------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject: LOOKING FOR THE FAMILY CROSBY Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2000 03:18:14 -0700 (PDT) From: "HP Authorized Customer" <fionna@bigpond.com> To: <irl-monaghan-l-request@rootsweb.com> My Name is Fionna Carter (Nee Crosby) I am not even sure if you are able to help me but I am looking for my great grandfathers family. My grandfathers name was George Edward Crosby , borne in County Monaghan on August 4th 1856. He left Ireland about 1875 and arrived in New Zealand in 1876. George Edward Crosby's father was Michael and mother was Alice (nee Bigby) Michael was an estate manager in County Monaghan and had six children I think - George Edward being the eldest. How do I find information about this. Would you please e-mail me on the following address if you can help. fionna@bigpond.com.au. any help would be very very much appreciated. All my family are dead and I just dont know where to go for help.

Hi all I am researching the surname of "Theckster - Thackster" and here in Australia they spelt it as "Texter". They lived in a town of Scarva Co. Down and then to Donagh Co Monaghan. If anyone has heard of or researching this surname I would love to hear from you, it is a very rare name and I haven't met anyone as yet. All information greatly appreciated, thank you Marrianne maturner@gil.com.au

Thanks anyway Kathleen, sure we might meet up somewhere along the line....regards Maureen